There may be concerns of privacy (ISP snooping your data, etc)
I don't believe they are snooping data. In fact they don't have to in order to detect pirated media. The nature of p2p is such that the files need to be advertised!
To use typical nomenclature, evesdropping is when:
1) Alice calls Bob (or makes a connection to Bob's server)
2) Bob answers the phone and discloses the secret meet up location (or sends it digitally over the wire)
3) Eve intercepts the information and shows up.
What's happening in this case is:
1) Bob tells the entire world that he's got the latest Pirates of the Caribbean and is going to let anyone download it.
2) Alice connects and downloads the pirated movie.
3) "Eve" connects and downloads the movie.
4) "Eve" issues a takedown notice.
Of course they might be doing waveform analysis or whatever it is they do on the wire, but I don't believe they are there yet. Illegal warrantless wiretapping is much more serious issue than just connecting to someone's p2p, which is why it's important that we don't get these confused.
Besides, how do you expect a different binary to be fair? At least in this test the only variable was the kernel, whereas on OSX you have the kernel, application specific code, and the compiler to consider. They can't exactly copy the ELF binaries and libraries straight over from Linux.
If you're really so curious you can oprofile and find out yourself.
Note: I'm not defending the Phoronix guys. As a previous poster pointed out, they are inherently bad at explaining the why things are slower and sometimes they are flat out wrong
Complete system sources will be available to everyone. As a result, a user who needs changes in the system will always be free to make them himself, or hire any available programmer or company to make them for him. Users will no longer be at the mercy of one programmer or company which owns the sources and is in sole position to make changes.
from "Why all computer users will benefit", among other things.
Well that's simply ridiculous. You're saying an addict can't tell their child that drugs are bad? Or a heart patient can't tell their relatives to eat healthy?
If a father tells his kids that drugs are bad right before doing a line of coke to "get him through the night" so he can finish that big presentation, or a heart patient tells his kids to eat their vegetables after finishing a cheeseburger and french fry dinner, then...
Yes, I am saying that you can't do this and expect the child to have an iota of respect for you.
I don't own a car. For all of you that are talking about how you can't give up your cars, I'm proof that it can happen.
But that's not his argument. His argument is, here in north america, we made the huge mistake of designing communities such that a vehicle was a requirement for living. In particular, the suburban and ex-urban phenomenon has left your average American completely incapable of living without personal long-distance transportation. And this phenomenon is coupled with a truly massive underfunding of public transportation, meaning that even those within a reasonable distance of their place of work have no option but to drive.
And so, the solution isn't to give Indians more cars, thus encouraging the very lifestyle north america has mistakenly committed themselves to. The solution is to build communities where cars *aren't necessary in the first place*. Not because "we already have it, so you can't", but because "we already have it, and trust me, you really don't want it".
Then I expect you and GP to give up your moderately sized house, your car, and move to a metropolitan area or some other planned community where you have everything you need within walking distance.
Despite all of the associated problems, personal mobility represents a huge increase in the standard of living. I think you're in a tiny minority of Americans that "don't want" to have a larger house for less money, don't want to have a larger choice in vacation destinations, don't want to have the pleasure of carrying you're groceries all the way from the store to your house, and don't want to forgo the hassle and expense of renting a truck or arranging delivery every time a piece of furniture is bought.
Careful in your use of the r-word. "Unthinking hubris" would be more apt. I don't think these people are acting out of a "we know what we're talking about because we're white, the white race is smarter than the inferior Indian race" mindset. More like, "we know what we're talking about because we're the developed world, and we've been doing this for awhile and we know what's best for you."
Perhaps just as demeaning, but not founded in the mistaken belief that whites are inherently better than others.
The reason Red Hat files patents is to stockpile it's ammunition in case someone sues them for patent infringement. It's very hard to sue a patent trool like IP innovations, since they don't have a product which can violate another patent. But a company like Microsoft has a large product portfolio which might contain a product for which Red Hat can sue.
It's kind of like the nuclear arms race, and yet this is the state of the US Patent system today.
Then where did the phrase "Banned in Boston" come from?
Face it, the pilgrims screwed it up at the very beginning and we're still dealing with the consequences.
You guys referring to kexec()? I don't think they're contemplating moving running processes and services over to the new kernel scot free. More like you shut down all your services, kexec() the new kernel, and wait for it to boot.
Basically it's a fancy way of getting around the BIOS POST and all that. No small feat in and of itself, but hardly what you're contemplating.
But we're not past the days when you need to reboot Windows for a lot of things you can do in Linux without rebooting.
I agree, but that doesn't make the joke funny again. I'd also point out that reboot prompts happen freqently in OS X, and in distros of linux for things like dbus upgrades, even though the tech savvy user usually knows which initscript to restart.
Some jokes are nearly immortal, because they're just funny. One of my favorites outdates automobiles.
The problem with that analogy is, while I've heard the joke before, I'm not forced to hear it 3 times a week.
A sterotypical example of a joke going bad is the RickRoll. You hated being a victim, but for a week or two it was kind of cool that everyone standardized on a universally accepted terrible video that they wanted to trick people into visiting. After that it got annoying and unoriginal, so other good netizens pointed out when you were getting rolled. Now you go down to your neighborhood bar and the DJ is playing it on the dance floor, and everyone laughs because they're in on the joke. Nevermind that you've been in on the joke for about 8 months now, and the joke was never that good to begin with, and just because you know what's happening doesn't mean we should be subjected to Rick Astley's musical stylings at the local hangout, the ball game, or the thanksgiving day parade
We've also reached that point with "In Soviet Russia..."
"Hopefully we won't have to reboot after every new incident report."
Can we please retire that joke? I haven't used Windows in a long time so I'm not sure if it's still true, but XP wasn't terrible (when free of malware) and that joke is really getting tired and unfunny.
Though I don't think MS writes very good software, I we're past the days of needing to reboot to change your IP address.
I agree completely. Imagine what would happen if all of a sudden Ars or The New York Times asked that slashdot stop copying headlines and deep linking their stories. They would lose a sizable amount of page views.
Despite the financial troubles, The New York Times gets it. That's why they made subscription free and have pages like this one, which basically let people know what articles are getting deep linked. That's also probably part of the reason they took this case to court.
Middle-click to paste: Because I'm pasting from stuff all the time, I can normally hold two states, the Ctrl-C one and the highlighted one. That means, for example, if I want to paste the name of an article and the link to it, I can normally highlight one, copy, then highlight the other, move over to my blog or wherever and paste both in without switching back. There are a million other uses for this stuff. Highlighting and middle-clicking is just easier, anyway. Speaking of easy...
God this is the most frustrating thing in the history of using computers.
There are a few reason I don't use Windows on my main box right now, and this hits the biggest of them.
Anyone who has ever tried to install a program in windows knows how much of a pain it can be. They don't have a centralized repository for you to download the package.
On Linux, if you get an installation CD you have a reasonable expectation of connecting to he repository for that distro and getting a wealth of software available from the click of a button. Sometimes you find a package that isn't in the repo, but not often, and they'll generally install with a './configure && make && make install'
Another big difference is the way libraries are linked. What do you do if one vendor ships *.dll's under Program Files and another vendor ships the a different version of the same libraries under their subdirectory. Then you have two programs shipping the same code with double the memory. It's no wonder downloads of windows installers take so long.
And I won't even start bitching about installation wizzards...
I've heard of it! Though I think technically it's broadcast. Sort of like broadcast frames on the ethernet level, if you need an analogy (I know I did).
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There may be concerns of privacy (ISP snooping your data, etc)
I don't believe they are snooping data. In fact they don't have to in order to detect pirated media. The nature of p2p is such that the files need to be advertised!
To use typical nomenclature, evesdropping is when:
1) Alice calls Bob (or makes a connection to Bob's server)
2) Bob answers the phone and discloses the secret meet up location (or sends it digitally over the wire)
3) Eve intercepts the information and shows up.
What's happening in this case is:
1) Bob tells the entire world that he's got the latest Pirates of the Caribbean and is going to let anyone download it.
2) Alice connects and downloads the pirated movie.
3) "Eve" connects and downloads the movie.
4) "Eve" issues a takedown notice.
Of course they might be doing waveform analysis or whatever it is they do on the wire, but I don't believe they are there yet. Illegal warrantless wiretapping is much more serious issue than just connecting to someone's p2p, which is why it's important that we don't get these confused.
I think you're missing an article.
Besides, how do you expect a different binary to be fair? At least in this test the only variable was the kernel, whereas on OSX you have the kernel, application specific code, and the compiler to consider. They can't exactly copy the ELF binaries and libraries straight over from Linux.
If you're really so curious you can oprofile and find out yourself.
Note: I'm not defending the Phoronix guys. As a previous poster pointed out, they are inherently bad at explaining the why things are slower and sometimes they are flat out wrong
Complete system sources will be available to everyone. As a result, a user who needs changes in the system will always be free to make them himself, or hire any available programmer or company to make them for him. Users will no longer be at the mercy of one programmer or company which owns the sources and is in sole position to make changes.
from "Why all computer users will benefit", among other things.
Well that's simply ridiculous. You're saying an addict can't tell their child that drugs are bad? Or a heart patient can't tell their relatives to eat healthy?
If a father tells his kids that drugs are bad right before doing a line of coke to "get him through the night" so he can finish that big presentation, or a heart patient tells his kids to eat their vegetables after finishing a cheeseburger and french fry dinner, then...
Yes, I am saying that you can't do this and expect the child to have an iota of respect for you.
But that's not his argument. His argument is, here in north america, we made the huge mistake of designing communities such that a vehicle was a requirement for living. In particular, the suburban and ex-urban phenomenon has left your average American completely incapable of living without personal long-distance transportation. And this phenomenon is coupled with a truly massive underfunding of public transportation, meaning that even those within a reasonable distance of their place of work have no option but to drive.
And so, the solution isn't to give Indians more cars, thus encouraging the very lifestyle north america has mistakenly committed themselves to. The solution is to build communities where cars *aren't necessary in the first place*. Not because "we already have it, so you can't", but because "we already have it, and trust me, you really don't want it".
Then I expect you and GP to give up your moderately sized house, your car, and move to a metropolitan area or some other planned community where you have everything you need within walking distance.
Despite all of the associated problems, personal mobility represents a huge increase in the standard of living. I think you're in a tiny minority of Americans that "don't want" to have a larger house for less money, don't want to have a larger choice in vacation destinations, don't want to have the pleasure of carrying you're groceries all the way from the store to your house, and don't want to forgo the hassle and expense of renting a truck or arranging delivery every time a piece of furniture is bought.
Careful in your use of the r-word. "Unthinking hubris" would be more apt. I don't think these people are acting out of a "we know what we're talking about because we're white, the white race is smarter than the inferior Indian race" mindset. More like, "we know what we're talking about because we're the developed world, and we've been doing this for awhile and we know what's best for you."
Perhaps just as demeaning, but not founded in the mistaken belief that whites are inherently better than others.
They could have notified them of infringement, but kept an article of good faith that they weren't going to prosecute...
The reason Red Hat files patents is to stockpile it's ammunition in case someone sues them for patent infringement. It's very hard to sue a patent trool like IP innovations, since they don't have a product which can violate another patent. But a company like Microsoft has a large product portfolio which might contain a product for which Red Hat can sue.
It's kind of like the nuclear arms race, and yet this is the state of the US Patent system today.
Then where did the phrase "Banned in Boston" come from? Face it, the pilgrims screwed it up at the very beginning and we're still dealing with the consequences.
my wife's blood (cyan)
WTF?
Why was it so important to give Wall Street $700B, even after it fucked up so badly?
Oh that's right, because they're refusing to loan out money even to reputable companies like GM and Chrysler.
You guys referring to kexec()? I don't think they're contemplating moving running processes and services over to the new kernel scot free. More like you shut down all your services, kexec() the new kernel, and wait for it to boot.
Basically it's a fancy way of getting around the BIOS POST and all that. No small feat in and of itself, but hardly what you're contemplating.
But we're not past the days when you need to reboot Windows for a lot of things you can do in Linux without rebooting.
I agree, but that doesn't make the joke funny again. I'd also point out that reboot prompts happen freqently in OS X, and in distros of linux for things like dbus upgrades, even though the tech savvy user usually knows which initscript to restart.
Some jokes are nearly immortal, because they're just funny. One of my favorites outdates automobiles.
The problem with that analogy is, while I've heard the joke before, I'm not forced to hear it 3 times a week.
A sterotypical example of a joke going bad is the RickRoll. You hated being a victim, but for a week or two it was kind of cool that everyone standardized on a universally accepted terrible video that they wanted to trick people into visiting. After that it got annoying and unoriginal, so other good netizens pointed out when you were getting rolled. Now you go down to your neighborhood bar and the DJ is playing it on the dance floor, and everyone laughs because they're in on the joke. Nevermind that you've been in on the joke for about 8 months now, and the joke was never that good to begin with, and just because you know what's happening doesn't mean we should be subjected to Rick Astley's musical stylings at the local hangout, the ball game, or the thanksgiving day parade
We've also reached that point with "In Soviet Russia..."
...Click OK to exit the Network settings.
You will be prompted to reboot your system.
That last line is the most important
"Hopefully we won't have to reboot after every new incident report."
Can we please retire that joke? I haven't used Windows in a long time so I'm not sure if it's still true, but XP wasn't terrible (when free of malware) and that joke is really getting tired and unfunny.
Though I don't think MS writes very good software, I we're past the days of needing to reboot to change your IP address.
I agree completely. Imagine what would happen if all of a sudden Ars or The New York Times asked that slashdot stop copying headlines and deep linking their stories. They would lose a sizable amount of page views.
Despite the financial troubles, The New York Times gets it. That's why they made subscription free and have pages like this one, which basically let people know what articles are getting deep linked. That's also probably part of the reason they took this case to court.
Don't feel bad. They did the wrong thing by filing this lawsuit, and now they will have decreased revenue because of it.
The solution here is to stop reading tabloids.
Obama Signals New Tone in Relations With Islamic World
Gates Sets Modest Goals for Afghanistan
New York Says Health Chief Abused Power
are all headlines that make sense.
Only because you're used to doing that in windows. A linux user would:
1. See link, highlight it.
2. Switch to firefox
2a. Optionally ctl-T
3. middle click the window.
In other news, Microsoft is notoriously bad at singing and advertising.
Yeah. I know someone that works for MS that has vista on their iMac. News flash people: MS isn't competing with laptop and desktop makers.
Middle-click to paste: Because I'm pasting from stuff all the time, I can normally hold two states, the Ctrl-C one and the highlighted one. That means, for example, if I want to paste the name of an article and the link to it, I can normally highlight one, copy, then highlight the other, move over to my blog or wherever and paste both in without switching back. There are a million other uses for this stuff. Highlighting and middle-clicking is just easier, anyway. Speaking of easy ...
God this is the most frustrating thing in the history of using computers.
There are a few reason I don't use Windows on my main box right now, and this hits the biggest of them.
Anyone who has ever tried to install a program in windows knows how much of a pain it can be. They don't have a centralized repository for you to download the package.
On Linux, if you get an installation CD you have a reasonable expectation of connecting to he repository for that distro and getting a wealth of software available from the click of a button. Sometimes you find a package that isn't in the repo, but not often, and they'll generally install with a './configure && make && make install'
Another big difference is the way libraries are linked. What do you do if one vendor ships *.dll's under Program Files and another vendor ships the a different version of the same libraries under their subdirectory. Then you have two programs shipping the same code with double the memory. It's no wonder downloads of windows installers take so long.
And I won't even start bitching about installation wizzards...
I've heard of it! Though I think technically it's broadcast. Sort of like broadcast frames on the ethernet level, if you need an analogy (I know I did).