Yes, but it took thousands of years until the Greeks figured it out and named it.
And Newspeak was more subtle than that. They might not have a word for "Democracy", but they would have a word for "rule by an evil mob of thoughtcriminals", which people listening to someone describing would think of and tell them that this system of government is clearly doubleplusungood.
We have a similar problem today with words like "capitalism", which is a word used to describe what we used to call fascism. The two are conflated even though they are very nearly polar opposites.
Yes, possession of pictures depicting the murder of children is much better. That is why such images are legal. I mean, sure, some REALLY sick people get off on shit like that, but at least it doesn't depict SEX.
Consider this: if you stumbled across some child pornography, whether on the internet, or if you found a tape in the desert, or CDs in the attic of the house you bought a few years ago, you would be guilty of possession of child pornography. Say that these images depicted the brutal torture, rape, and murder of some number of toddlers. ANYONE would want to turn these over to the police so they could track down the monsters who hurt those children. But you realize that you are criminally liable, with the potential to wind up on a sex offender registry, lose your job, your family, your home, EVERYTHING, if the police or prosecutor decide that you might have wanked off while watching them or something. Rather than trying to help catch those monsters, you instead destroy the evidence, with tears in your eyes, because you aren't willing to endanger yourself or your family.
How you wish that the children had only been tortured and murdered on tape. Then you could have turned it in without fear.
Stop confusing possession of evidence of a crime with COMMISSION of a crime. Also stop confusing recording of a crime with the crime itself.
Wow, a time traveler has come to us from some time before 9/11/2001. Tell me, friend, what is it like to live in a free society? It has been so long I have forgotten.
Produce them for me. Certainly such records would be a sensation in religious circles.
You ASSUME they exist, or your pastor TOLD you they exist. But they don't. There is no proof.
I spend on average an hour a day reading and studying history, as it is one of my major interests, along with science, technology, and economics. You are the one who has no idea what they are talking about.
I've never actually seen any actual documentation of such outside of the Bible. Pretty sure that is lost to the sands of time, if it ever existed at all.
Yes, but that it due to artificial intervention in the money supply to prop up the banks, starting in 1987, creating and perpetuating a moral hazard that is finally reaching a head today. It was harder to earn a living in Weimar than it was in pre WWI Germany. But after the debt was cleared out, and the war was ended, life got much easier, until the aforementioned process crept up.
They say that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This is why immortality would be great. People would learn their lessons, and that would be that. Humanity would advance quickly, rather than having to learn the same lessons once every hundred years.
I don't think you quite get the concept here. These guys live forever, and accumulate vast amounts of experience. They will have a Dyson Sphere constructed within ten thousand years, and will have colonized other star systems before that. They can afford to take a thousand year nap for a trip to Alpha Centauri.
You keep assuming that these people won't DO anything, which is stupid. They provide capital and expertise to such an extent that everything becomes free and we transition from an economy of scarcity to one of plenty. THAT is the point. This will happen with or without immortality, it will just take longer without it.
You are missing the point. The point isn't to work, the point is to provide goods and services. Make those goods and services cheap enough, it becomes cheaper to provide them for free than to charge for them. This is the system of economics described in Star Trek, when the Replicator made goods totally free. At that point, you don't NEED a job, unless you aspire to some greater purpose. You can get a job to make money to buy land, if you would be a landowner, or for rent, if you would live in a highly populous place like the Earth (one could replicate a space habitat/starship for practically nothing, and locate to an unclaimed planet if desired), but you don't HAVE to, just like you don't have to subscribe to any form of pay content on the internet, and can lead a rich online life for free.
And your ideas about competing with immortals for jobs are just ludicrous, even in todays world. It's like saying that teenagers compete with middle aged men for burger flipping positions. They don't.
Also, pedophilia is illegal based on the presupposition that a child is unable to give consent for a sexual act. That is a legal definition, and is only tenuously connected to reality. The truth is that it is illegal because children are all seen as vulnerable, and it is assumed that sex will harm them physically and developmentally. This is clearly not the case with immortals, as the brain is no longer very plastic by the age of majority, and their bodies are certainly as developed as they are going to get. It won't be any different than Hugh Hefner's relationships (minus the adult diapers), which are perfectly legal, even though they involve people who are only incrementally not children, and a guy old enough to be their great grandfather.
Why would an immortal be working an entry level job? They have already saved up, and are starting their own businesses by the time they are 100. That age might go up as the new industries require greater and greater capital investment. But so what? With so much capital investment, the marginal cost on the goods produced will have gone to near zero, making the real world into an economy of plenty, like the internet, where any sort of good imaginable is available for cheap, and if you don't want to pay, you can pirate it and print it off yourself.
That actually makes it work better. Other people running businesses at ever better efficiencies creates more goods for less, which means you need to make less money to live.
This is a runaway process, and if we would get out of the way, prices for real goods would drop to zero within our non-extended lifetimes. Cheap energy from super efficient nukes that leave no non-useful waste will see to that by itself. Combine it with home manufacturing and its double trouble.
By your logic, Hercules also existed. Maybe he did. But was he really the son of Zeus?
There are lots of contemporary written records of kings existing, implying that they likely did exist. The records of most gods and demi-god's time on Earth comes after at least a few decades have past, with more information coming out for hundreds of years until the story is formalized. As it stands, the story of Jesus' life is way too similar to numerous other stories about other gods/demigods to be particularly trustworthy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgksXcesXrA
If immortality tech has progressed that much, it will likely render torture moot, as one would likely have control over the sensation of pain, such that it could be turned off or made such that it was simply information rather than triggering the "OMG GTFO" sector of the brain.
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Yes, but it took thousands of years until the Greeks figured it out and named it.
And Newspeak was more subtle than that. They might not have a word for "Democracy", but they would have a word for "rule by an evil mob of thoughtcriminals", which people listening to someone describing would think of and tell them that this system of government is clearly doubleplusungood.
We have a similar problem today with words like "capitalism", which is a word used to describe what we used to call fascism. The two are conflated even though they are very nearly polar opposites.
You have to pay more for commercial level services, silly-billy.
Yes, possession of pictures depicting the murder of children is much better. That is why such images are legal. I mean, sure, some REALLY sick people get off on shit like that, but at least it doesn't depict SEX.
But videos of you being raped on the day of your 18th birthday are totally legit, right?
Consider this: if you stumbled across some child pornography, whether on the internet, or if you found a tape in the desert, or CDs in the attic of the house you bought a few years ago, you would be guilty of possession of child pornography. Say that these images depicted the brutal torture, rape, and murder of some number of toddlers. ANYONE would want to turn these over to the police so they could track down the monsters who hurt those children. But you realize that you are criminally liable, with the potential to wind up on a sex offender registry, lose your job, your family, your home, EVERYTHING, if the police or prosecutor decide that you might have wanked off while watching them or something. Rather than trying to help catch those monsters, you instead destroy the evidence, with tears in your eyes, because you aren't willing to endanger yourself or your family.
How you wish that the children had only been tortured and murdered on tape. Then you could have turned it in without fear. Stop confusing possession of evidence of a crime with COMMISSION of a crime. Also stop confusing recording of a crime with the crime itself.
Good lawyers cost money. Justice should not be only for the rich.
So having someone's bank statement is the same as having all the money in their bank account?
I don't think so, Tim.
Wow, a time traveler has come to us from some time before 9/11/2001. Tell me, friend, what is it like to live in a free society? It has been so long I have forgotten.
Produce them for me. Certainly such records would be a sensation in religious circles.
You ASSUME they exist, or your pastor TOLD you they exist. But they don't. There is no proof.
I spend on average an hour a day reading and studying history, as it is one of my major interests, along with science, technology, and economics. You are the one who has no idea what they are talking about.
*Republicans and Democrats
FTFY.
I've never actually seen any actual documentation of such outside of the Bible. Pretty sure that is lost to the sands of time, if it ever existed at all.
Did you apply for a position as CEO of a Fortune 500 straight out of college? Damn all those old people who were competing for the job!
Yes, but that it due to artificial intervention in the money supply to prop up the banks, starting in 1987, creating and perpetuating a moral hazard that is finally reaching a head today. It was harder to earn a living in Weimar than it was in pre WWI Germany. But after the debt was cleared out, and the war was ended, life got much easier, until the aforementioned process crept up.
They say that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This is why immortality would be great. People would learn their lessons, and that would be that. Humanity would advance quickly, rather than having to learn the same lessons once every hundred years.
Try once, and then never try again?
Try again.
I don't think you quite get the concept here. These guys live forever, and accumulate vast amounts of experience. They will have a Dyson Sphere constructed within ten thousand years, and will have colonized other star systems before that. They can afford to take a thousand year nap for a trip to Alpha Centauri.
You keep assuming that these people won't DO anything, which is stupid. They provide capital and expertise to such an extent that everything becomes free and we transition from an economy of scarcity to one of plenty. THAT is the point. This will happen with or without immortality, it will just take longer without it.
There are countless other planets, in addition to the vastness of space.
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You are missing the point. The point isn't to work, the point is to provide goods and services. Make those goods and services cheap enough, it becomes cheaper to provide them for free than to charge for them. This is the system of economics described in Star Trek, when the Replicator made goods totally free. At that point, you don't NEED a job, unless you aspire to some greater purpose. You can get a job to make money to buy land, if you would be a landowner, or for rent, if you would live in a highly populous place like the Earth (one could replicate a space habitat/starship for practically nothing, and locate to an unclaimed planet if desired), but you don't HAVE to, just like you don't have to subscribe to any form of pay content on the internet, and can lead a rich online life for free.
And your ideas about competing with immortals for jobs are just ludicrous, even in todays world. It's like saying that teenagers compete with middle aged men for burger flipping positions. They don't.
Also, pedophilia is illegal based on the presupposition that a child is unable to give consent for a sexual act. That is a legal definition, and is only tenuously connected to reality. The truth is that it is illegal because children are all seen as vulnerable, and it is assumed that sex will harm them physically and developmentally. This is clearly not the case with immortals, as the brain is no longer very plastic by the age of majority, and their bodies are certainly as developed as they are going to get. It won't be any different than Hugh Hefner's relationships (minus the adult diapers), which are perfectly legal, even though they involve people who are only incrementally not children, and a guy old enough to be their great grandfather.
They had rocks in Spain too. After they conquered a new world, they had a lot more rocks. Shiny, pretty rocks.
So if I attached the moon to the Earth with a string, the moon would no longer be orbiting the Earth?
Astonishing!
Why would an immortal be working an entry level job? They have already saved up, and are starting their own businesses by the time they are 100. That age might go up as the new industries require greater and greater capital investment. But so what? With so much capital investment, the marginal cost on the goods produced will have gone to near zero, making the real world into an economy of plenty, like the internet, where any sort of good imaginable is available for cheap, and if you don't want to pay, you can pirate it and print it off yourself.
Implying that capital is a fixed value rather than something that is built.
With a faulty assumption like that, it's no wonder you are a socialist.
That actually makes it work better. Other people running businesses at ever better efficiencies creates more goods for less, which means you need to make less money to live.
This is a runaway process, and if we would get out of the way, prices for real goods would drop to zero within our non-extended lifetimes. Cheap energy from super efficient nukes that leave no non-useful waste will see to that by itself. Combine it with home manufacturing and its double trouble.
By your logic, Hercules also existed. Maybe he did. But was he really the son of Zeus?
There are lots of contemporary written records of kings existing, implying that they likely did exist. The records of most gods and demi-god's time on Earth comes after at least a few decades have past, with more information coming out for hundreds of years until the story is formalized. As it stands, the story of Jesus' life is way too similar to numerous other stories about other gods/demigods to be particularly trustworthy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgksXcesXrA
If immortality tech has progressed that much, it will likely render torture moot, as one would likely have control over the sensation of pain, such that it could be turned off or made such that it was simply information rather than triggering the "OMG GTFO" sector of the brain.
Yes, then they are all dead and we can continue to exist with the intelligent, interesting ones.