And when the pollutants leave their portion of the waterway and enter that of someone else, they will be charged or sued for damages, just like they would be if they piled up garbage on the edge of their land and then shoved it over onto someone else's.
You don't really hear a lot about evil corporations dumping toxic sludge on their own land, anyways. Certainly not when there is a profit motive in keeping it clean. A clean river is more valuable for recreation and fishing than a toxic river is for dumping, especially when you take lawsuits from downstream rights holders into account.
Nice job conflating freshwater fish with open ocean fish. Next you'll be telling us that humans don't need to consume vitamin C because dolphins can synthesize their own.
Invalid reductio ad absurdum is a logical fallacy.
Collectivism is also foolishness. People are complex and different from each other. Slapping a label on a group of people doesn't make those differences go away.
Don't confuse repetition across multiple experiments with just talking about the results of one experiment over and over. Further, don't confuse the results of modeling experiments with empirical experiments. And most importantly of all, use controls!
But of course, climate science is filled with these types of confusion, and controls are practically impossible due to the nature of the problem.
Imagine if string theory had some sort of huge policy implication that demanded the expenditure of trillions of dollars in order to stop some poorly defined "bad" thing from happening over an unknown time frame. This is how "denialist" scientists see AGW.
You do know that new studies show that mercury in tuna and other fish is non-toxic, as it is bound up into an insoluble salt with selenium, right?
The rivers were polluted because no-one owned them, so there was no-one to prevent them from being polluted. Since governments hold that waterways are for common use, they enforce the tragedy of the commons. The only way to prevent it while maintaining no ownership is to install police apparatus, which is very expensive and intrusive, much more so than simply allowing people to own it, and to defend it from illegal dumping or charge the dumpers the clean up price for their dumping. Instead, we have government boondoggles working to clean them up.
Your appeal to authority is without merit. I know a lot of university professors. While they may be experts within their field, they are among the most heavily politicized people I have ever known (including the people running the local R and D parties!).
And it certainly doesn't take a worldwide conspiracy to present biased data to Congressmen on a junket, or to give a bureaucrat an opportunity to justify their existence.
Liberals and conservatives are exactly the same when they get into office. If they weren't, we'd have a lot more freedom now than we did under Bush II, but we have LESS. Can't even protest in the vicinity of a government official anymore without being black bagged by the Secret Polic--I mean Secret Service.
After Reconstruction, the people we would recognize today as libertarians had won, and those same people proceeded to forge America into a middle-class society and industrial superpower. They tore down the fascist/feudalistic society, and repurposed its components within just a few decades. The legacy they left us with has lasted for almost 100 years (since the fascists struck back with the installation of the Central Bank).
What the dividers either don't understand, or don't want others to understand is that D and R are both fascist parties. There is no significant difference in the policies implemented when one part or the other is in power, and with each passing administration things just get worse and worse and worse.
Didn't realize you lived in the People's Democratic Republic of England. No need to buy your anarcho-communist ass a ticket anywhere. Doubt they'd let you in for a permanent stay, anyways.
Just stay away from me. As an anarcho-capitalist, I despise anarcho-communists because you have made animals of yourselves through your rejection of the principles of property (where a homestead or minerals claim is mixed with a person's labor to become property, which can then be sold), which leads directly to theft, and murder when confronted. You and your kind are no better than apes. Worse, actually, because you are smarter and deadlier.
Enjoy the next five years. I'm sure you won't realize that it was your poisonous ideology which caused the destruction you are about to witness. The same ideology has laid waste to America as well as the rest of the West.
I don't like allowing others to have arbitrary power over me. Fuck that. Stop trying to justify stupid shit by contorting your mind to make those in power right.
You are very short sighted. Governments shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and losers. That is how you end up with zombie banks sucking the life force out of the economy dragging us down into an unending depression.
Chinese intervention in their own markets will either give us manufactured goods for cheaper than we could make them, or give our industry the incentive to make the shit ourselves. But when OUR government starts intervening (and continues its current intervention), then we suffer just the same as the Chinese, and everyone except for the governments of both nations lose.
Five years from now, they will have a lot less money, and when they try to jack up the prices, we will be competitive again. Actually moreso, because we are doing most of the cutting edge research, and we won't have wasted capital resources on now outdated cell production processes. In the meantime, we can invest our capital in industries where they DON'T subsidize, and take over that market.
Government intervention in markets is NEVER productive. When you give +100 in subsidies to a particular industry, you must take a total of -120, -140, or even -200 from other industries. This does NOTHING except make their economy weaker.
So I say again, thank you, Chinese taxpayer, for giving us yet more free shit while allowing us a chance (which we will squander) to regain our position as a manufacturing superpower.
There weren't any capitalists planning this. Only fascists.
Why do you think no-one has been allowed to open a new nuke plant in this country in DECADES? The current nukes don't like the competition, and like artificially high energy prices.
Excellent. Let's bring back press-gangs for nuclear clean-up. Also, anything else our wise leaders can think of, including labor for their pals in industry.
Instead, let's get rid of the dumb regulations stopping us from building breeder reactors and let the operators of those reactors FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER for the rights to get to all that "waste", with the end result being that they pay for clean-up and quite a bit more.
Jon Corzine walks free after stealing 1.2 billion dollars and giving it to Jamie Dimion.
First two criminals to pop into MY head. No-one seems to even be INVESTIGATING, nevermind that the case is so cut and dried at least Corzine should already have been convicted by now.
Should have read GP's post. He "stopped reading" after he saw quarks listed as subatomic particles, thus perpetuating is ignorance by outsmarting himself.
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Think about it from the POV of the other side. It's also "conservatives" that want to spend like crazy and start a bunch of wars.
Everyone pays attention to the labels and fails to realize that these people are all fascists.
No, it does depend on the species. IIRC only like one species of WHALE bioaccumulates toxic species of mercury. http://chriskresser.com/is-eating-fish-safe-a-lot-safer-than-not-eating-fish
And when the pollutants leave their portion of the waterway and enter that of someone else, they will be charged or sued for damages, just like they would be if they piled up garbage on the edge of their land and then shoved it over onto someone else's.
You don't really hear a lot about evil corporations dumping toxic sludge on their own land, anyways. Certainly not when there is a profit motive in keeping it clean. A clean river is more valuable for recreation and fishing than a toxic river is for dumping, especially when you take lawsuits from downstream rights holders into account.
Nice job conflating freshwater fish with open ocean fish. Next you'll be telling us that humans don't need to consume vitamin C because dolphins can synthesize their own.
Invalid reductio ad absurdum is a logical fallacy.
Collectivism is also foolishness. People are complex and different from each other. Slapping a label on a group of people doesn't make those differences go away.
Don't confuse repetition across multiple experiments with just talking about the results of one experiment over and over. Further, don't confuse the results of modeling experiments with empirical experiments. And most importantly of all, use controls!
But of course, climate science is filled with these types of confusion, and controls are practically impossible due to the nature of the problem.
Imagine if string theory had some sort of huge policy implication that demanded the expenditure of trillions of dollars in order to stop some poorly defined "bad" thing from happening over an unknown time frame. This is how "denialist" scientists see AGW.
Excellent point. A rationalist writer came up with a parable to explain this phenomenon: http://lesswrong.com/lw/gw/politics_is_the_mindkiller
You do know that new studies show that mercury in tuna and other fish is non-toxic, as it is bound up into an insoluble salt with selenium, right?
The rivers were polluted because no-one owned them, so there was no-one to prevent them from being polluted. Since governments hold that waterways are for common use, they enforce the tragedy of the commons. The only way to prevent it while maintaining no ownership is to install police apparatus, which is very expensive and intrusive, much more so than simply allowing people to own it, and to defend it from illegal dumping or charge the dumpers the clean up price for their dumping. Instead, we have government boondoggles working to clean them up.
Your appeal to authority is without merit. I know a lot of university professors. While they may be experts within their field, they are among the most heavily politicized people I have ever known (including the people running the local R and D parties!).
And it certainly doesn't take a worldwide conspiracy to present biased data to Congressmen on a junket, or to give a bureaucrat an opportunity to justify their existence.
As are stupidity and liberalism.
Liberals and conservatives are exactly the same when they get into office. If they weren't, we'd have a lot more freedom now than we did under Bush II, but we have LESS. Can't even protest in the vicinity of a government official anymore without being black bagged by the Secret Polic--I mean Secret Service.
Implying that wasn't the libertarian position.
After Reconstruction, the people we would recognize today as libertarians had won, and those same people proceeded to forge America into a middle-class society and industrial superpower. They tore down the fascist/feudalistic society, and repurposed its components within just a few decades. The legacy they left us with has lasted for almost 100 years (since the fascists struck back with the installation of the Central Bank).
What the dividers either don't understand, or don't want others to understand is that D and R are both fascist parties. There is no significant difference in the policies implemented when one part or the other is in power, and with each passing administration things just get worse and worse and worse.
I love it when something that is inherently vulnerable is enabled by default when 0.0001% of users actually use it.
There is NO excuse for that.
Sorry, kid. No trials for terrorists like you.
Remember the four boxes? Three have been exhausted.
*Insert Uranus joke here*
*Insert insertion into Uranus joke here*
Didn't realize you lived in the People's Democratic Republic of England. No need to buy your anarcho-communist ass a ticket anywhere. Doubt they'd let you in for a permanent stay, anyways.
Just stay away from me. As an anarcho-capitalist, I despise anarcho-communists because you have made animals of yourselves through your rejection of the principles of property (where a homestead or minerals claim is mixed with a person's labor to become property, which can then be sold), which leads directly to theft, and murder when confronted. You and your kind are no better than apes. Worse, actually, because you are smarter and deadlier.
Enjoy the next five years. I'm sure you won't realize that it was your poisonous ideology which caused the destruction you are about to witness. The same ideology has laid waste to America as well as the rest of the West.
Go die you scumbag.
If you don't want to own property, I will happily buy you a plane ticket to North Korea.
Feel free to drive or charter your own plane, then. Some of us have things to do.
That is incredibly arbitrary.
I don't like allowing others to have arbitrary power over me. Fuck that. Stop trying to justify stupid shit by contorting your mind to make those in power right.
Don't worry, they made it get hotter and hotter so you CAN'T hold it long enough to get a stress injury.
This also stops you from using up the battery and all your bandwidth!
Every bug is a feature!
You are very short sighted. Governments shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and losers. That is how you end up with zombie banks sucking the life force out of the economy dragging us down into an unending depression.
Chinese intervention in their own markets will either give us manufactured goods for cheaper than we could make them, or give our industry the incentive to make the shit ourselves. But when OUR government starts intervening (and continues its current intervention), then we suffer just the same as the Chinese, and everyone except for the governments of both nations lose.
Five years from now, they will have a lot less money, and when they try to jack up the prices, we will be competitive again. Actually moreso, because we are doing most of the cutting edge research, and we won't have wasted capital resources on now outdated cell production processes. In the meantime, we can invest our capital in industries where they DON'T subsidize, and take over that market.
Government intervention in markets is NEVER productive. When you give +100 in subsidies to a particular industry, you must take a total of -120, -140, or even -200 from other industries. This does NOTHING except make their economy weaker.
So I say again, thank you, Chinese taxpayer, for giving us yet more free shit while allowing us a chance (which we will squander) to regain our position as a manufacturing superpower.
Exactly. They are pissing away their taxpayers money to give us cheaper solar panels. I am ALL FOR IT.
Uhhh, yeah. The government says you can't do it. That is pretty much the definition of regulation.
There weren't any capitalists planning this. Only fascists.
Why do you think no-one has been allowed to open a new nuke plant in this country in DECADES? The current nukes don't like the competition, and like artificially high energy prices.
Excellent. Let's bring back press-gangs for nuclear clean-up. Also, anything else our wise leaders can think of, including labor for their pals in industry.
Instead, let's get rid of the dumb regulations stopping us from building breeder reactors and let the operators of those reactors FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER for the rights to get to all that "waste", with the end result being that they pay for clean-up and quite a bit more.
Jon Corzine walks free after stealing 1.2 billion dollars and giving it to Jamie Dimion.
First two criminals to pop into MY head. No-one seems to even be INVESTIGATING, nevermind that the case is so cut and dried at least Corzine should already have been convicted by now.
Should have read GP's post. He "stopped reading" after he saw quarks listed as subatomic particles, thus perpetuating is ignorance by outsmarting himself.