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Teacher Suspended For Reading Ender's Game To Students
An anonymous reader writes "Forbes reports that a middle school teacher in South Carolina has been placed on administrative leave for reading sci-fi classic Ender's Game to his students. According to blogger Tod Kelly, '[A parent] reported him to the school district complained that the book was pornographic; that same parent also asked the local police to file criminal charges against the teacher. As of today, the police have not yet decided whether or not to file charges (which is probably a good sign that they won't). The school district, however, appears to agree with the parent, is considering firing the teacher and will be eliminating the book from the school.'"
Well there was that scene where Ender shows up at Petra's dorm wearing a sleeveless jean jacket with a utility belt and says that he heard the cable was broken ... or wait, am I confusing Ender's Game with Logjammin'? I mean, clearly, they're basically the same thing.
My work here is dung.
We need to find something to do for these people who just sit at home waiting for things to get outraged at (a.k.a. the “volleyball is exclusionary and tag promotes violence” types).
Some probably poses at least basic intelligence and education. Surely there is some way they can be made a useful part of our society. I think if they had something productive to focus on, we wouldn’t hear about stupid shit like this as often.
On a more serious note, I get that some people get off on being outraged/protesting/fighting something. We all know people like this. In a lot of cases they aren’t even really into the cause, they just like being behind something. When they have kids, it’s like a whole new world of stuff to complain about is opened up.
I’m sure this isn’t the first time the school has heard from her (ok, I’m gonna be sexist.. but this _has_ to be the Mother (Mother with a capital "M".. you know the type..)). You don’t go from 0 to this. I just wish these people would think about everyone else they hurt when they indulge their need to whine and at least try to put that energy into something more helpful to the world.
I'm glad to see "book burning" is alive and well in America. I guess that's what the conservatives mean by restoring America. Now we just need to find some really cheap labor.
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to my 55 year old mother in law. I hope she doesn't go in to cardiac arrest.
I'm drawing a blank here but about the only thing I can think of that would qualify as close to pornography is the part where Ender beats the shit out of that bully and the book talks about how his medical sheet reads "bruised testicle." Which, if two adolescent boys bruising up each other's private parts arouses you in anyway, you are probably the one that needs help.
... wait, that's already far more reading and research than this individual is capable of.
The other possibility is that the book is too descriptive in some parts (maybe when Ender burrows into the giant's eye in the simulation?). And they're in ye olde Southern Cackalacky where the definition of pornography is just anything that gets too descriptive for their comfort. So, you know, like anything that's written well.
Or perhaps one of the parents caught wind that Orson Scott Card is Mormon and different and therefore evil. And then they looked up the White Horse Prophecy and put
My work here is dung.
if this, then Shakespeare has got to go as well.
The school district reports that the letters E, I, N, P, and S have been removed from the school curriculum after a parent complained her son was being exposed to gateway pornography.
TOO FAR.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD TODAY?
Please someone give this teacher a prize for reading Ender's Game to children, it was my favorite book and it brought (to my life) a way of thinking critically about my actions that I've never had cross my mind until reading it.
Because of this particular scene in the book, I've always felt that it should not have been promoted as a children's book. I have also felt that Orson Scott Card is, IMO, unsavory for cooperating in promoting it as a children's book.
Bruce Perens.
Pornographic? Ah. I must have skipped that scene when Sasha Grey was killing the Bugs. Maybe the Mother confused the Starship Trooper movie with Ender's Game? Look, let's all just ban Huckleberry Finn and be done with it. Also, all the references to Fahrenheit 451 can suck my big left one. That was a boring movie.
People who try to ban things "because someone might be offended" are themselves the problem. And it is a wide-spread and serious one.
I only hope we can get over this state of permanent panic before it kills us.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
I finally got around to reading Ender's Game a few months ago. I don't remember anything remotely pornographic in it. Besides, it's middle school... around the same time most schools start sex ed anyway. At any rate, firing the teacher would be more than sufficient if the school decides it was a major no-no.. criminal charges is beyond ridiculous.
The USA is pathetic. I am glad I emigrated.
It shows society naked. That IS pornographic.
It talks about relationships between siblings, teaches children to think critically, demonstrates adults can and do lie, shows how society is and can be manipulated by media and wont some please think of the children harmed by the reading of this terrible book !!!!
WTF is wrong with people? Are we going to have to resort to some sort of white list that kids will be able to read from?
The school district's response: the customer is always right...
There was some violence in that book, yes. But was there anything sexually graphic? I can't think of anything. I don't even think there was an profanity. Can anyone think of anything that even comes close to being pornographic?
And the public school system continues to show itself more and more worthless by the day... even to the point of actually becoming detrimental to your children's education. Good times.
We read Candide. That's gotta be way more "pornographic" than Ender's Game. What is this country coming to?
Between Santorum, Limbaugh and the rest of those jokers bible thumping their way into our bedrooms but refusing to even tax one cent of a rich person's income (because that's government intrusion), this country is really and truly fucked.
We're going to be like Argentina, and the shooting in Florida is proving that there are now only gated communities and trailer parks -- and if you're the wrong color in a gated community, you are a target.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
I recall violence and genocide but I can't recall anything pornographic. Unless reading shower scenes about soapy kids getting into bloody fist fights does it for you.
I wish this woman bothered to read the book before ruining the teacher's life.
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I think this is one of those things for which there is a simple solution, find name of parent, all Ender's fans call parent and explain what a complete and colossal idiot they are. Problem solved. News report of parent explaining how their phone didn't stop ringing for several months convinces all future such parents to just keep their opinions to themselves.
"Pornography" is supposed to be judged by the standards of the "community", I think its time or the community to judge the standards of those who wish to judge the community.
-jon
There is asexual nudity, but nothing that could be called pornographic. If I were a parent I might complain about the mass genocide or repeated hand-to-hand murders of and by children, but hey, people will complain about anything given the chance. (PS Im a big fan of the book, just pointing out the warped priorities of some parents.)
No wonder the educational system is going to shit since any parent can bully teachers. Seriously, if you're so annoyed about the teacher asking your kid to read any specific book then ask the teacher for an acceptable replacement (for your kid only of course). Or take your kid somewhere else. Or accept an F for that specific assignment.
I wish principals grew a spine and supported their teachers on this kind of stuff.
I can't imagine what the problem could have been. I've only read one of the books in the series (Shadow Puppets) and that was tame to say the least. Anyone know for sure what could have been construed as pornographic? If it is a bit more 'grown-up' in general I might consider giving it a try!
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Bet this kid is popular.
He's 14 and running home to mommy because a book had naughty words in it..
I can see a parent running across the book and going full on "I'M A MOTHER, AND AS A MOTHER I FEEL.." mode while the kid stands there horribly embarrassed .. but for the kid to be the one who started it all... kid must be living in a bubble.
Too many uptight parents ruin things for other people.
It's not like the kids are being indoctrinated.
I'm just curious to see if Orson has anything to say about this in his column this or next week... http://greensboro.rhinotimes.com/Articles-Columns-c-2012-03-14-211324.112113-John-Carter-Cowfish-Lights-ToshO.html
I came across Ender's Game at a used collectibles place and started to read it. Maybe it's just me (yeah, go ahead and say it), but I read the first several pages and just couldn't get into the story. My interest wasn't piqued.
Having said that, I picked up Ringworld at a library sale (50 cents) and it took until page 68 for me to get involved with the story.
Maybe the same thing with EG. Comments? Suggestions? Flames? Heresy attacks?
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Check out some of the comments on the source article. There are claims he was not really reading Ender's Game, and that the school is covering it up.
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especially for being pornographic. That guarantees lots of kids will read it. Since it's slightly better written than most other trash kids read, maybe the ban will have a [slight] positive outcome.
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I recall reading the original short story in middle school. It was in one of those "Weekly Reader" type magazines that apparently aren't around any more. Then again, I grew up in suburban Chicago, which is definitely different from the South.
As a sixth grader, I found the story interesting. When I read the novel as an adult, I was rather less impressed. I think that Card is much better with short stories than with novels.
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Not too long ago, we had a similar issue here when a local religious fanatic (who home schools his children, BTW) demanded the local high school ban, among others, Kurt Vonnegut's classic Slaugherhouse V, claiming it too was pornographic in nature.
The school ended up bowing to the holier-than-thou asshole and banned the book; however, doing so had the unexpected side effect of Slaughterhouse V becoming the most read book in the city of Republic. The Vonnegut Library even donated several hundred copies of the book to the local library, all of which were swiftly checked out.
Experience tells me Ender's Game is about to become the most read book in Shofield, SC.
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. . .the shower fight scene - that's the only point in the book that could be construed as even remotely pornographic. The word itself means 'designed to arouse lust.' At any rate, I think the parents in this case should justify their complaint with the offending excerpt from the book and explain why they think it's worthy of jail time. I just can't imagine that the school board and / or police department wouldn't do their due diligence.
It's in South Carolina, reading isn't nearly as important as football.
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Read an artice about this here http://geeks.thedailywh.at/2012/03/15/geek-news-classroom-controversy-of-the-day/, and it said there was three books that were read and the Enders Game was the only one that was known that the teacher read. So it's possible that something inappropriate was read to the children if that story wasn't off.
We all know that there is some partial nudity in Biology Class, so might as well go across the board and ban half of what the schools teach!
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Sometimes you see or read something that you just know will be the weirdest thing that you see all day. The mention of Enders Game and Pornography in the same sentence did this for me today. I'm having flashbacks to my c1970 ninth grade science teacher dismissing Life Magazine as pornography. I suspect this is a tactic used by religious kooks to suppress anything they don't understand. Since they understand almost nothing the rest of the world becomes a pornocopia.
It does start out admittedly slow, if you are expecting more of an action story. But its really a Tragedy/Drama type story, rather than the bug space epic you might expect at first.
The parent should be required to read Lady Chatterly to class of 16 year olds.
They are old enough to legally have sex, they should certainly be able to read about it.
(( on another argument thread why are we so okay with violence (without the red stuff please) but not with sex which is required for out existance))
That prurient Agatha:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/20/south-carolina-teacher-suspended-for-enders-game-also-read-students-agatha-christie/
This is almost a week old. Oh slashdot, how far you have fallen....
I agree - Teacher should get reprimanded for reading that book to the students - middle school students are perfectly capable of reading on their own..
On a serious note: The local High School Honors English class required the students read this book over summer break before school started. I gave my son the book and told him to read it even though it looks like he will be going to different school.
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I feel sorry for the kid. I remember what it was like having an ultraconservative parent who launched a Christian campaign against the school librarian. I didn't want to be in the center of that. I just wanted to get something interesting to read. Thankfully, I didn't shy away from my interests or libraries. I just learned to keep my books away from my idiot parent if I didn't want to be humiliated.
Here's one guy who thinks Ender's Game is porn, just not the "sex" kind.
The original story reported it a bit differently:
"According to the incident report, a teacher had been reading pornographic material from the Internet to the students in class. One of the stories was about prostitutes having their faces covered with ejaculation."
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Unless this is the writer's cut that my library didn't stock - this wasn't enders game they were reading.
One of the most interesting things I discovered after reading it is that it's on the USMC professional / suggested reading lists. http://www.marines.mil/unit/tecom/mcu/grc/library/Pages/mcrl2.aspx
For those who have not read it yet here is my 1 sentence book report for you. Its about individual achievement contrasted with self sacrifice for the purpose of building goal driven teams. It is an excellent read for any gamer IMHO.
graphic:
Adjective:
Of or relating to visual art, esp. involving drawing, engraving, or lettering.
Was this the picture book version?
I'll be the first to admit that some screwed up things happen in Ender's Game (like how Ender Keeps killing people and not much happens), but pornography? not so much.
this involves a demand for (at least virtual) teacher burning.
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meh general indifference.
Different strokes for different folks. Don't be ashamed because you don't like something that other people do. As a middle schooler I loved Ender's game, as an adult it's 'meh', mostly because I've been exposed to all the tropes a hundred times over by now, there's little in Ender's game that hasn't been covered by other, arguably better literature. That said, it's a great introduction to Scifi for kids around that age, or even adults with less... shall we say, confidence in their reading abilities?
I would file a complaint against my accuser with the police department, on the grounds that anyone who finds textual depictions of naked children sexually arousing (the definition of 'pornography') is obviously a pedophile.
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So, let me see if I have this right...
The current bestseller from Scholastic, The Hunger Games, is about an annual practice where 24 children between the ages of 12 and 18 are forced to fight to the death in publicly-televised hand-to-hand combat with weapons no more advanced than spears or bows and arrows, that is shown to the families and communities where these children come from. And this is fine, apparently. But reading Ender's Game where the worst hand-to-hand violence involves a broken nose, is unacceptable?
Was the teacher reading it to the students because it was above their reading level, or is it just above the reading level of the principal and superintendent?
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Sorry, but by 14 you should be reading all by yourself. You'll be legal to drive in 2 years. Unless this is just a sample passage to illustrate a style why in the world are they "reading to children" who are this old?
I'd be hard pressed to justify EG as even mildly offensive for someone of that age. Now, if they'd read The Lost Gate - okay, maybe - there are some awkward passages for truly cloistered young teens (I decided it's a little much for my nine year old, and she can wait a couple of years).
I say we stop having story time for 14 year olds and teach them to read. I'd be pissed about this if it happened in a school my kid was in because it sounds like a waste of valuable teaching time.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
I'd like to hear the parents explain this to the police: "I always considered a nice killing very stimulating to my sex life."
No, I'd like not...
In most of the US, a high percentage of the population think that nudity==pornographic.
Nothing wrong with not being able to get into a book; Stephen King is great if you can handle slogging through 3 chapters of pure scene description before the story actually starts, but obviously his writing isn't for everyone.
The important thing is that you're reading, and (hopefully) learning from it.
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To anyone who knows anyone who teaches in states with weak teachers unions (mostly down south), it is obvious that the parents rule the schools. In this situation you have the ravings of a single parent leading to someone losing their livelihood. People on /. love to rant and rave about how teachers unions have ruined the educational system in this country. That may be true up north, but down south the unions are essentially powerless and the parents do a fine job of ruining everything all on their own. It certainly doesn't help when school districts are more concerned with protecting their image than they are with protecting decent teachers.
Ok I'm not usually the guy who starts spewing out conspiracy theories and the like but...does anyone else feel like "the man" (pardon the expression) is grooming the next generation to be mindless, imbecilic, non-critical drones?
It's like they keep trying to mentally disarm the kids to ensure future complacency and then they have the audacity to frame it as protection.
I know, I know, don't attribute to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity but this one would require a hell of a lot of stupidity.
It sounds like Sci-fi isn't your type of story? Nothing wrong with that.
what people have repressed in their minds to initiate this
- anger ...
- joy
- lust
- sensuality
every creature has it - plants included - or they would not exist.
This basic fact is highly suppressed and controlled by every entity in power (allowed by other's succumbing) on this planet.
And what are they going through? Oh - she has shown a nipple or gosh, there is some pubic hair to see and ghee, somebody used a nasty word - one of seven, is it???
Then there is perversion coming out of all of this repression.
Puritans - holy fucking puritans!
Get a life!
I remember so kid reprogramming his iPad to display a giant wagging dong, but that is just (pardon the pun) ridiculous.
The school district, however, appears to agree with the parent, is considering firing the teacher and will be eliminating the book from the school.
If they will be "eliminating the book from the school", then it was probably on the approved reading list, then the teacher is not at fault (so to speak), but the school (district). My wife was a teacher for many, many years and, on those occasions she wanted to teach off the approved list, would send letters to and obtain signatures from parents. Children of parents that objected would get a book from the approved list and separate assignments. (She was awarded as one of the best teachers in the school district and state, BTW.)
Also worth mentioning, from TFA, is that the teacher also read the following books to her students with, apparently, no complaints:
The other books were ‘Devil’s Paintbox’ by Victoria McKearnan and ‘Curtain: Poirot’s Last Case’, written by Agatha Christie.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
When i was in the United States Marine Corps, the Ender's Game series was on the "Recommended Reading" list.
There is nothing pornograhic about the book. Sure its about a group of kids raised by the government and trained their whole lives to be warriors...
Card explains at the end of the 20th audio version ofr Ender's Game that he only wrote the novel because it was a pre-req for "Speaker for the dead", which I think is the much better work.
Someone who hasn't read the book naturally assumed that it was about someone playing a game with their "end".
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I found this list of books in the comment section of this page: http://www.aikenstandard.com/story/031512-school-board-releases-statement-to-enders-game-book The three books are Ender's Game (Card), Devils Paintbox (), and Curtain, Poirots Last Case (Agatha Christie)
I could see this as being a wrongful dismissal suit in the making. Is there anything in Enders Game that is remotely pornographic??
is there some other OBJECTIVE reason that this book should not be read to this group of students??
if A AND B = False then this district just paid for this teacher to retire.
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Most likely this is a confusion in understanding - arising from the report of a young teen, over-reacted to by his parent.
See what the Colbert Report has to say about this tonight...
Oh, I'm sorry sir, I thought you were referring to me, Mr. Wensleydale.
Kid: "These two kids beat each other up in the shower."
Parent: "Did you just say two kids beat each other off in the shower?!?!?"
American educational system: "SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING."
Among many others.
The book is violent, the morals being presented are twisted, and the author very much damaged goods.
I don't think reading this in a scholastic setting is probably ever appropriate, unless possibly for adults deconstructing what is done right (many things) and wrong (many things) with the text.
I'm not at all surprised that someone objected to it, although it's somewhat amusing that they select essentlly a completely incorrect descriptor for its various problems.
-josh
How can this be? The teacher should fight this seeing how it's not on any banned books lists.
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It's South Carolina. The school administrators are probably trying to find a dictionary to look up "all them big words". There isn't much room in a double wide for a book case. Wait, I'm thinking of West Virginia. South Carolinia only has single wides.
Like um Catcher in the Rye or Lord of the Flies. As homework they should assign the parent to read Ender's Game. It's an easy read, it's written about the 9th grade level (which is sadly above most American's reading level), I can't imagine it would take more then a week to read through.
As a bonus project said parent + student team should write a paper on sexuality and hidden messages in Disney and other children's media, that would be EPIC.
or even adults with less... shall we say, confidence in their reading abilities?
Heh, touché! I wouldn't call myself a heavy reader, but having slogged through the History of the Peloponnesian War, Life and Work in Medieval Europe (4th to 14th centuries), the first two Ringworld books (third is in the wings), Ever Since Darwin (Gould), Rendezvous with Rama, and the one that I know is going to be tough going, Command Decisions (a book describing decisions made in WWII on both sides put out by the U.S. Army), along with the usual suspects such as Hawking and Greene, I can at least say I'm well read on numerous subjects.
Maybe if I come across it at a yard sale or another library sale I'll pick it up but for what they wanted at this place, I couldn't justify the price, especially considering it didn't do much for me.
As an aside, my current reading, Panzer Commander: The Memoirs of Colonle Hans von Luck, is one I recommend to people not so much for the military aspect (it's mostly sidelined until the D-day invasion), but rather for the breath of the man's experiences. He knew (literally) everyone from Russia to Britain and down through Italy. He made friends and acquaintances as easily as you or I drink water.
He doesn't mince words about what he thought about the higher ups and doesn't hide or downplay what took place. It's his insight into what was really going on, his thought process, and how he carried out his orders despite the nonsense coming from on high that makes the book such a great read. Highly recommended for anyone who wants an inside look at one of the true honest soldiers from the German side (Rommel being the shining example that the U.S. military uses to this day in some training exercises.)
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Someone explain this to me:
> "and will be eliminating the book from the school."
According to TFA, the kids were fourteen, so that makes it freshman year in high school. (The book is rated 12 and over.)
The quote indicates that the book was available at the school, most probably in the school library.
So let me get this straight:
The teacher reads an age-appropriate book, available at the school, to students in the class, and gets fired? Seriously?
I predict that if this story goes viral, the school will suddenly reconsider.
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If "mom" based her complaint on this, however, she just did not understand it.
Is it possible that the teacher wasn't reading these books at all, but was, for some reason, reading something downloaded from the internet?
Somebody is lying, I'm not sure who.
My daughter read _Ender's Game_ (on her own, not for school) when she was 16 or 17. She said she liked it and it was a good book; it was interesting and complex. I haven't read it yet, but I still might. I never banned my daughter from reading anything. When she was really little, I kept things age appropriate, but once she was older, I let her read any book. If something in a book was upsetting, we discussed it, we analyzed it, and talked about why the author wrote about the subject and about what the author was trying to say. She didn't tell me about the scene described above--the bathroom scene--but I can tell you that she never killed anyone in a bathroom (or killed anyone anywhere, for that matter) either before or after reading the book!
I think people need to be taught not to take things literally. Just because authors write something doesn't mean they are endorsing it. They often write things as examples of behaviors that they don't endorse. Also, strong subject matter in various books gave me an opportunity to discuss things with my daughter and to tell her whether or not I agreed with the information presented and why. I also taught her to evaluate what she reads.
The only book I advised my daughter not to read was the Bible, because I think it is too violent, sexist, and racist for anyone under the age of 18.
Such a great series, and considering Orson is a right leaning devout mormon.. this is almost laughable.
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Why bother with capturing slaves when the feeble just whip themselves?
Mind you, you wouldn't be so bad, if the bleeding hearts wouldn't feel sorry you if you get slaughtered in the revolution. But somehow, your kind then suddenly turns into "innocent" citizens and not supporters of the regime.
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I remember reading The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand in Grade 11. The whole class read it, and we spent days discussing and dissecting it. It had a fairly graphic rape scene, as I recall, and nobody seemed to have any problems with that. And it was a Catholic school!
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Even if it was pornographic, I don't see why criminal charges would be filed. Pointless "for the children" nonsense once again...
Sexuality bad, violence good!
most of this species of wingnut would be in jail.
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I read several of the books until I came to the conclusion that Orson Scott Card's books, while often entertaining, contain a really ugly fascist streak. I got disgusted after about the third Ender book and put Card's books down, probably forever. However, other people like his books.
This isn't about free choice, however. This is about a teacher and a captive audience.
I wouldn't want my kid exposed to Orson Scott Card's crap, unless the kid chooses it himself (and we could discuss the themes). I would never want Orson Scott Card forced on ANY captive audience.
Sweet! cant wait.. and Harrison Ford too? nice
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I thought we didn't want sharia law in this country. I is confused.
Did this community also ban Catcher In The Rye and all Mark Twain books containing the "N" word?
Then blame the faculty that fears the parents who are in total denial. I know that my 14 year old nephews knew what a midget fingerbanging herself was by the age of 12, if not sooner. Banning Enders friggin' Game is a lot about being in denial of reality, not to mention far too little far too late. Do they know what those kids chat and text about?? I ran (ops engineering) the text messaging service for AT&T for years and a quick 'tail -f' of the logs on any given SMS server would reveal that they aren't talking about the latest hair style, unless it was regarding pubes. After running T-Mobile's MMS system for 3 years, I can assure you they're not texting art photos, either. Parents need to wise up. Unleash the full internet on your kids with any connected device and they'll soon know a lot more than Enders Game. If you don't get them a device with those capabilities, they'll still see it all at their little friend's house. Give it up...pandoras box is wide open and it's too late to ban books. The things I've seen. MY EYES!! MY BEAUTIFUL EYES!!!
Just face it guys, America isn't that great. And I don't care if people call me a troll or anything else. Everything people believe is an illusion perpetrated by Hollywood and other bullshit propaganda. All your little rules are going to get you nowhere.
I remember reading this on my own in 6th grade. I heard it was a sci fi classic, and read it. I remember it being fairly mind blowing at the time. I'm not 100% sure if it was really that eye opening, or if I was just that young and green behind the ears. I don't remember anything naughty in it. I turned out ok, as did millions of nerds after and before me.
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In all reality I'd like to know if this student that was "bothered" by such material also noted in TFA as being male (which is odd that a boy would be bothered by sex, especially at 14) has had prior run ins with this teacher, being either grades or getting singled out by the teacher for something (read embarrassed). If it was actually dug into I'd be willing to wager there is more to it than just a lewd book being read.
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The three books:
http://www.aikenstandard.com/story/031612-teacher-pornographic-materials-update--3865561
Some still claim the teacher had read something else, other than those three.
In Colorado, the state legislature did away with tenure for elementary-middle-high school teachers. You don't get to argue for more pay, since it's just based on your level of education (B.S or M.S), and # of hours you've taken above your last degree, but you can never have true job security.
Why would anyone do a job where any idiot parent can raise a stink over something stupid, and you get fired for it? Seriously, in Office Space, the main character had 8 bosses, and that was considered ridiculous. For the average teacher, they have 150 bosses, and the bosses change every year. You wonder why all the teachers that stay never do anything for fear of doing something that someone will find offensive.
I think about that every time I soap up without the water running!
This article mentions it.
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I cannot believe that South Carolina is so bold as to allow children to see and touch books, let alone hear passages read out loud. Next they be'll teaching them to read alone in their bedrooms without supervision or MPAA/RIAA royalties being owed. That takes aware from a child's financial responsibility to support such lazy sleaze-bag "entertainment" companies.
I expect the MPAA will also sue the teacher for undermining some movie studio's film rights by providing a story narration (under the guise of "public performance") without proper MPAA licensing.
At least I am glad to know that that manly violence and pro-preemptive strike military aggression were not cited as areas of concern, but pornography of which I recall none. Maybe I should sue my retailer and the publisher for cheating me out of a much more interesting edition of Ender's Game.
There's no sex at all in the original short story. Some of the later stuff, as they grow up, has some sex, but it's not a big issue.
Actually, Ender's Game is a naive view of the political effectiveness of blogging.
Where is the original story that says what actually happened? All that I can find on the net is one more or less original story that says that a teacher was reported to the police for allegedly reading pornography from the internet to his middle school students. There were some vague references to three books, but nothing specifically mentioning Ender's Game.
So is this whole flap over a real incident, or is it just an example of the Internet acting as a huge echo chamber?
There clearly is a double standard when it comes to literature and questionable content for minors in a book. In All Quiet on the Western Front, there were references to Russian prisoners of war being so malnourished and sickly that they no longer masturbated to pass the time.
I cannot remember the title but there was a Gary Paulsen book that I read in 8th grade for school where the two protagonists where a young teenage boy and girl who escape their lives by connecting with nature on an island. There was a paragraph in this book describing how they would take their clothes off and go swimming in the lake and how it felt completely natural and beautiful in a non-sexual way.
Why is this acceptable reading for a high school student where Enders Game is not?
I'm about 75% of the way through my first read of this book. So far I've seen nothing that under any insanely loose definition could be considered pornographic. Now I'm wondering if something happens in the last quarter. I'm going to not RTFA or the comments, and finish the book.
I remember babysittting his kids at an Atlanta Georgia WorldCon once.
So be very very scared.
Not.
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This reminds me of the lyrics from "Witch Hunt": "They say there are strangers who threaten us In our immigrants and infidels They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves" To me these lyrics are a warning against this sort of paranoid "book burning", "think of the children"/right-wing Fascist mentality. However, I've ran into Rush fans, both IRL and online who took these lyrics to mean that "someone" needs to rise up and protect "us" from "Dangerous Human Elements"...
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
Makes much more sense.
Also, why would anyone be reading Ender's Game to a bunch of 14 year olds? Can't they read it themselves?
Everyone just jumped on this bogus article because it fits the "oh, dear, censorship is prevalent" motif. Baloney.
I read The Commitments for my English assignment. It was a fantastic read and I thank my teacher Mr Hamilton for suggesting it to me.
He also showed Educating Rita, another classic, he was sort of like him without the drinking problem, actually.
Seems this school is still at the "laughs in sex class" stage of development.
As for the kid and parent, complete morons who should be buried in a war vault and key thrown in to the middle of the pacific. Repulsive.
Reminds me of a girl I knew in my class who refused to watch a 12 film because she was 11 and her mom said she wasn't allowed to.
I can't believe people like this even exist.
For crying out loud, THE SIMPSONS has worse events happening in it most of the time compared to a BOOK about someone being beaten to death.
The Simpsons has actual gore in it.
Don't forget that Mario, crushing all those poor helpless animals! HOW CRUEL!
Hope he gets employed quickly. Never a good thing to see a teacher being suspended unfairly.
So how do you downrank 300 posts of self-righteous "damn those bible bangers!" outrage as -1 misguided and irrelevant?
-Styopa
Talk about wiggin out.
But the articles linked are very long on speculation and very short on info.
Parent makes complaint about something bizarre happening in the classroom. Teacher is suspended pending investigation.
Let me assure you, this happens outside of the south. Let me also assure you it happens in politically diverse communities.
Being the son of a high school teacher, I've heard this story a lot of times.
There are a lot of possibilities here. The complaint apparently was that the teacher read something about semen coating the faces of prostitutes. That certainly isn't in Ender's Game.
So, maybe it's in the other two books mentioned. But, that's doubtful given the books (Agatha Christie and a book aimed at young teens.)
So, we could have a kid (for whatever reason, but being nutty, or disliking the teacher are a couple possibilities or on a dare from friends) telling parents something that didn't happen.
Or, we could have a parent that's kinda mental, or having a bad week, or a drunken rage etc, etc . That happens with alarming regularity when you have to deal with large numbers of parents. Most are fine, some are messed up.
Much, much farther down the list is that it's due to a conservative and or southern conspiracy or any other societal factor.
As to the suspension. School administrations are historically the most pusillanimous bunch of cover your butt bureaucrats there are. Especially if the parent is a known problem, or someone of influence in the community.
But, if you want to elevate the less likely to the fore, then Occam's Razor isn't going to stop you.
Apparently, this has less to do with Ender's Game than it does with something the teacher was reading which involved prostitutes getting facials.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
You wonder why so few people support your position and why you remain on the fringe.
Seriously if that's your view on the world, I'll oppose you on principle that I'm pretty sure any rule you would put in to place will be WAY worse than what we have.
Of course realistically you are just a person who likes to whine and post toughguy rhetoric on the Internet from the safety of home so I don't need to worry about opposing anything.
...the Chief of Naval Operations would probably take exception to this since Ender's Game has been on their official reading lists for service members pretty much as long as the lists have been published. (Starship Troopers is on there, too.)
See what happens. :)
Back in the 90s, I was a middle school math teacher. I always felt my job as a teacher was to educate a rounded person, so I included non-math discussions and assignments from time-to-time. One of my classes was Algebra II, taught to 8th and 9th graders. These were advanced students, and I enjoyed teaching about things outside the math world, some of which related to math, some of which didn't.
For this class, I generally offered some extra credit points to students who completed an out-of-class reading assignment. I listed books like Flatland, The God Particle, and yes, Ender's Game. I warned my students that it had some violence and harsh language, and left it up to them to decide. Never got any complaints from any parents, fortunately. After reading this, that book would probably go off my list.
I do agree it showed bad judgement to read this book to a classroom, full of students with varying levels of maturity, and students with vastly different tastes for violence and strong language. I would have never done that. Firing the teacher? Calling the book pornographic? That simply ludicrous
There's a simple answer for this parent: homeschooling. If they are so outraged over Ender's Game, they shouldn't have their kid in public schooling. They can shelter their kid as much as they want at home. What they shouldn't do is punish the rest of the kids and school system over their misguided outrage.
In addition to the link the other poster mentioned, the earliest cite is: http://www.aikenstandard.com/story/031412-Aiken-County-Schools--3859574 which also mentions a story with a prostitute and a sexual act. .
and I don't remember anything being particularly inappropriate. Any one know what they are referring to? I mean the Bible has GOT to have much much worse scenes in it.
Never say never. Ah!! I did it again!
They don't want their kid educated, they want a babysitter.
Since clearly your intelligence is low enough that:
1) You believe an activity that happens in one part of the US by one individual is something that can be generalized to the entire country of 311 million.
2) That the US is the only place that has problems, that other nations are lands of milk and honey where people don't do stupid things, government don't do stupid things and there aren't problems.
We are likely better without you. Perhaps your time abroad will give you some perspective and greater education and then maybe you'll be of more use.
It is also just a decent book to read, if only because it is so well known, and for the variety. I read Ender's Game somewhere between War and Peace (meh) and Moby Dick (amazing). Sometimes you need an easy to read, friendly romp. There are only so many good SciFi authors, there is no reason to discount Card or Ender's Game, especially since the later novels are quite decent (Xenocide notwithstanding).
So they're going to ban a book because a teacher read them something off of the internet about hookers taking shots to the face, which is entirely unrelated?
The fuck?
If they ban that book I'll use my fucking tax returns to rent a helicopter and buy a bunch of copies and dump 'em all over the school grounds.
I am more shocked at the school's decision to support disciplining the teacher than anything else.
If a school has a policy (for whatever obscure reason) then it's their right. You don't like it, don't work there, don't send your kids there.
I can relate to this story.
My wife worked for a Jewish Orthodox (Chassidic, Lubavitch) elementary school for girls in Canada.
The principal set the tone; no books or discussions on dinosaurs, evolution, or anything else risquee. Fine.
One day she read a book that referenced the ancient Greeks. Big no-no. A parent found out (one of the more conservative parents of a pretty
conservative family) and complained.
Thankfully the result was measured: principal approached my wife, explained to her that she couldn't read books about ancient greece (rolling of eyes
followed) and that was that.
No disciplinary action needed. Handled like adults.
This is rediculous.
When I was in junior high school, one of the teachers I had in 8th grade at the time showed us the movie "A Clockwork Orange" on video, in its entirety, and then we had a discussion about it. In the film there's a scene where a well-endowed woman is fully nude and a number of males are preparing to gang rape her, but are interrupted by the main characters of the film, who then get into an all-out brawl.
As far as I know, none of we students complained, nor the parents. I felt that the movie was a bit shocking (duh) to show to JHS students, but that alone doesn't make it wrong to do so. If anything perhaps seeing it with adult supervision in such a setting might be fitting, because at least that way there's an adult to ask questions from or disscuss imagry that a student finds disturbing.
The other thought I had is that perhaps a book has more impact than a movie "because the pictures are better" -- i.e. the imagination can make imagry that can have more impact than any visual imagry can. Regardless of this, I see no reason why reading "Enders Game" to students should cause such a stir like this.
But this time the original article was flawed too, and it ahs subsequently been updated (although I'm sure 95% of /. readers will never know that). Supposedly the teacher read stuff off the internet to the class that was "pornographic" and Card himself has said he heard what was read and it WAS inappropriate for kids (and he maintained that his book is perfectly OK for 14 years olds).
They have books in South Carolina!!
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What crimes? For the most part they followed the law.
Yes they did. They spent the prior twenty years lobbying to have the banking regulations that prevented them from taking outlandish risks with what was essentially other people's money, and then raked in massive personal gains when they produced short term gains in what was essentially a financial game of Russian roulette. The people in charge of things knew very well what was going on. I am not a banker and I can see how risky their behavior is, and these people are not idiots.
Their behavior has cost the country billions of dollars, and probably put tens of thousands out of work for personal gain with full knowledge of what would eventually happen. They should be dragged from their mansions and shot in the back of the head with a cheap Luger as a object lesson in social justice. How many times must the country be fleeced by Enron style corporate shenanigans before we realize that treasonous activity is deliberately working against national interest in the boardroom or the battlefield?
*Hunter S. Thompson Rant Mode Deactivated*
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Why is every solution in this country to fire someone or jail someone when a mistake MAY have been made? And I emphasize MAY!!!! This country and its ridiculous leftist ideals is turning this nation into a STATEIST and UTOPIAN state where we ALL LOSE OUR FREEDOMS.
I didn't read the article but just based on some of the comments of those that did. This is the only realization i can come to.
It seems like the future of the curriculum is to stop imagination, critical thinking, cultivation of different thinking and to make cookie cutter drones that don't question society or themselves.
What the hell happened!?!?!?!
Oh i became an adult...:P
These are the same schools that ban kids from walking home like we all used to way back when. Dont give me this crap that the world is more dangerous. Its not. Its the prevalence of the 24/7/365 news organizations and their fetish with reporting stories that happen to kids anywhere in such a sensational manner so they can sell BS product advertising and scare the crap out of parents. NOTHING HAS CHANGED, people are as fucked up as they've always been. Only now parents are scaredie-cats and kids arent allow to be kids anymore.
As I said, Fucked Up World.
So a parent whining about "pornography" - an inherently conservative position - is the fault of the left? And there is one thing that helps to stop stupid crap like this in it's tracks: teacher's unions.
I wonder how conservatives maintain the disconnect between complaining over nontroversies like Ender's Gate threatening a teacher AND then with a straight face claim that our schools will magically improve when we kill off the last teacher's union.
Even if it was pornographic, which it really isn't, the constitution protects all speech.
This is another form of persecution brought to you by those who are sustained through "anti-persecution" politics.
The bible is definitely more pornographic and more violent than Ender's game.
The penis not mightier than the sword apparentely...
Seriously, how bad would secession be? If we gave the southern states an out and shipped all the right wing extremists to the south and they could ship their liberals north.
America would be a better country without the south.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
No, the Buggers are different from what the parents are thinking... Just ask the kids father, he knows.
Wait. You mean the first version of the story isn't accurate, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions? go to hell, dude.
So many word and he can't be bothered to give the true name of his god, but rather use a throw awaay generic name. Hint mr Pastor guy : the name of your god is YHWH. Stop using a generic appelation like "god" as if it was the only and single one the other not existing... Oh actually scratch that you have no evidence of YHWH existing. Carry on.
There's so much porn and gay sex going on in there for a thousand protests.
What I want is for someone to rewrite the bible stories without any of the religious text. Let's see how long before we get a good old fashion book burning.
...what's the extent and context of this 'porn'? I assume it's alot like the mass effect lesbian alien porn fiasco.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enders_game
wouldn't surprise me if this whole thing is about creating a buzz around it.
My 9th grade social studies teacher showed us the movie "Shane" in class. No, I don't know why. Anyone complain? No. Well, I was taken aback that I saw some guy get shot in the face in school, but whatever.
My local school showed my kid Trojans around the same grade. Did I complain? No. Thought it was dumb (what does English have to do with movies? Heh.), but not a stoning offense.
Some people are just ready to bitch and squeak to get their way, no matter what.
Anything is possible given time and money.
There have been a lots of updates since this summary was written.
The reading on pornographic material was separate material and not in the books mentioned. It may or may not of happened.
The complaint from the parent mentions swearing and use of guns and violence.
Fuck. You.
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If only you could do that /and/ temp-ban the Slashdot editor "responsible" for this story, on account of not bothering to fact-check.
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Ender's Game was written by a serious Mormon who worked hard to make it content-appropriate for Mormon children. I think he succeeded, and what's more, the book is just great. That somebody in the US could out-prude the Mormons ... that's just depressing.
Was Juliet only 12 in Shakespears 'Romeo and Juliet' ? But I guess thats way beyond anything in redneck country or is it required reading (comic book form only).
Howard Zinn: http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncomrev24.html "However, the unexpected victories-even temporary ones-of insurgents show the vulnerability of the supposedly powerful. In a highly developed society, the Establishment cannot survive without the obedience and loyalty of millions of people who are given small rewards to keep the system going: the soldiers and police, teachers and ministers, administrators and social workers, technicians and production workers, doctors, lawyers, nurses, transport and communications workers, garbage men and firemen. These people-the employed, the somewhat privileged-are drawn into alliance with the elite. They become the guards of the system, buffers between the upper and lower classes. If they stop obeying, the system falls. That will happen, I think, only when all of us who are slightly privileged and slightly uneasy begin to see that we are like the guards in the prison uprising at Attica -- expendable; that the Establishment, whatever rewards it gives us, will also, if necessary to maintain its control, kill us. "
It's the bible bangers who've brought about the climate in which this kind of situation is allowed to happen, so the comments disparaging them are still relevant.
(When isn't it relevant to verbally assault religious people?)
Is 1563649 a prime number?
Fuck this stupid dumb religious hick country where anyone can sue anyone over the lamest shit. I'm sorry - but this country is absolute sick to the core.
The problem with exposing our children to Ender's Game is that it's a gateway book to a whole mess of utter crap written by Card.
Literally. Wont sombody think of the children. Does this apply to the bible as well?
...the real problem is teaching the kids to read in the first place. Readin', Ritin' & Rithmatick is the Devil's work.
All those living in the U.S.A....might watch out, more and more rights by the day are being taken away. It is insane! and the insanity is being led by fearmongers and religious zealots. Book burning is not so far away. And you women out there, better wake up. Female rights are being revoked by the truck load, including those about your own body. I'm ashamed of the U.S.A.
and upper level school administration will NOT back the teachers. Why not ? Because it's cheaper to bend over backwards to placate even the most "out-in-left-field" parent than it is to fight them when they start throwing lawsuits around. A friend of mine finally threw in the towel after fifteen years. Changing careers completely because of the silly bullshit the schools are demanding of the teachers these days. Just not worth it anymore.
Why anyone wants to be an educator in the current era US of A education system is beyond me.
You can't teach anything anymore except what the answers will be to the ( Insert current standardized test here ).
You can't touch students at all. In some cases ( special education ) you can't even discipline them
No matter how careful you are about the subject matter, some idiot will object to it somewhere putting your job on the line.
You will end up nothing more than a glorified babysitter killing yourself trying to keep up with the demands of bible-thumping parents, each of which are trying to shape the education system to more closely resemble their own ideals.
Am I the only one who wants to see 1984 read aloud to kids now to see if a teacher gets suspended/book banned/etc?
I can't say that this situation is all that unusual. Parents, particularly parents who are stay-at-home, have way too much time on their hands and involve themselves up to their armpits in the lives of their children. I have worked at schools where parents arrive at the schoolgrounds at lunchtime, and hang around on campus until the end of the day. For several weeks, parents lined up against the windows of one of the classrooms and stared at their children in class for the hour and fifteen minutes from the end of lunch to the end of the day. This continued until the teacher posted artwork blocking the parents view into the classroom from those windows. The parents promptly complained to the principal, and the teacher was ordered to take them down. That teacher (and almost every other teacher at the school) refuses to teach in that exposed classroom.
I've been the subject of ridiculous complaints also. I was too hard on a kid when I separated him for calling one of the girls a "cheating dog" (for using a calculator during a maths activity where I had explicitly allowed the class to use calculators). I take the roll at the wrong time of the day. I set too much homework (and, conversely, I don't set enough homework; a complaint made by the same parent). I don't hand notes out (I prefer to lay out the notes at the front of the class, and the kids are meant to pick them up as they leave). I don't insist that someone's little baby (senior elementary student) wear a raincoat if it looks rainy outside, and I don't help that student to put that raincoat on. I drink Ginger Beer which comes in a bottle that looks like it's a bottle of real beer (that it isn't is beside the point also, because Ginger Beer has the word "beer" in it, and therefore, I'm setting a poor example to students). I advocate the use of facebook (which is actually Edmodo, which, I'll admit, does look a lot like facebook, but isn't). I am biased against or for particular students because I select them for debate teams, public speaking competitions or sport (sometimes I am still biased against particular students when I'm not involved at all in the selection or non-selection of them for various opportunities). On and on and on. Most of these complaints are, as other commenters have noted, housewives with too much time on their hands. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that I have had a good principal who, for the most part, only wastes a little bit of her and my time every so often to investigate and respond to these claims.
That being said, I think that teachers and educational institutions have to acknowledge some responsibility in allowing this to happen. We encourage a dialogue between parents and teachers on an equal level, and we don't say all that much when unqualified pundits make educational claims that are simply wrong. Anyone, no matter how unqualified, will happily make claims about education and expect that those claims have equal footing with qualifie
I read this book from summer reading assigned from my high school.
Without further information, that claim may actually come from the parent. It's the most probable case, since no other kid/parent has complained yet.
I rarely respond to comments. Also, don't ask for clarifications: a brain and Google are faster, believe me!
Funny thing is, if you actually read the Bible, God does not actually promise not to destroy the Earth. In Revelations in fact, the future demise of this planet is prophesised. It never fails to amaze me how many of these guys that go about spouting about God have never read the Bible.
I haven't actually ever posted on slashdot before, but I feel I should. I have written an email (no profanity) to the staff expressing *my* concerns.
Here are the emails of their faculty:
Jacki Barnwell
jbarnwell@aiken.k12.sc.us
Susan Varallo
svarallo@aiken.K12.sc.us
Phone: 803-641-2770
Mrs. Schofield
pschofield@aiken.k12.sc.us
I am currently in the process of writing emails to the school board. Their contact info (too much to be posted here) can be found here:
http://school-board.acps.schoolfusion.us/modules/groups/integrated_home.phtml?&gid=2300611&
I know none of you are "into protesting," but I feel as nerds, it is very important that we make our thoughts known. These guys are from a middle school in a small town, and I'm sure a flood of (reasonable, logical, and levelheaded) emails will be addressed. Make a difference, let them know.
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea." Revelation 21:1
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Orson Scott Card is quite conservative, and his works show it.
This could have been simply a liberal pissed off that a leftist book actually depicting gay interracial anal gang-bangs wasn't read to the class instead.
No mod points here but came across that too. Thanks for posting!
This blows my mind! I know about Orson Scott Card a bit, even talked to people that know him and his family. I have to say that he is rather moral and religious person. I know several religious family's that have their children read Enders Game. A 10 year old in my church congregation introduced and lent me his copy of Enders Game. I can't think of single part that was inappropriate for minors. I don't understand what they are objecting about.
Here is the complaint, complete with the mother's name and address, as well as the name of the teacher involved:
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/SchofieldSchool-PornInvestigation.pdf
Here is where she works:
http://www.myvetonline.com/silverbluffah/general-information.html ...if Mr. Culp's name and work place is out there, HER name should be out there as well. What an idiot.
I went to this school (quite a few years ago), and while infuriating, I don't find it surprising. Also, it wasn't just Ender's Game; the teacher also complained about the teacher reading "The Devil's Paintbox" by Victoria McKernan and "Curtain: Poirot's Last Case" by Agatha Christie: local newspaper.
The child had been disciplined by the teacher several times earlier in the year, so this is revenge by the parent.
I read this when it first came out, I was 17. It is NOT pornographic. Heck, it's not even slightly risque.
You want something that borders on pornographic and still isn't, try looking at some some of those romance novels.
The average television commercial is far closer to pornographic than "Ender's Game".
I think some people down there need to be introduced to a clue by four, or I would if I thought they had any functioning brain cells left to be jump started by it.
Ender's game is easily one of the greatest books of all time. It's the story of a child genius. If more kids aspired to be smart like the children in the book, the world would be a better place. Not reading a book won't protect children from the read world.
They're screaming blue murder.
Funny thing is, if you actually read the Bible, God does not actually promise not to destroy the Earth.
Maybe God doesn't, but the LORD comes pretty close:
The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done." -- Gen 8:22
OTOH, as the very next verse implies "[a]s long as the earth endures ...," He doesn't promise to save it from destruction either.
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
That would be Gen 8:21, of course
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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Oh wait....South Carolina? I think they stopped comprehending civics in 1860.
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Whats really fucked up for these type of moron students and parents, besides telling Johnny or Susie to not become gay, even tho they raise them without ever teaching them about sex, SEX it is forbidden. I never want to hear the word pussy or even vagina, you should only know it will help grow our idiot breed of socialist humans. Somthing I have noticed it, it seems most gays are gay because they grew up in strict religious and there oppressive anti sex BS.
For a group of people who are forbidden to think about sex they sure as hell have really fucked up perverted minds to constantly find something pornographic in anything and everything. If you thought the current Federal Government was a horrible idea, can you imagine how fucked we would be if the South won the Civil War.
Having said that you see the same behavior in the northern states.
america is so gay....
is this comment about how the book discussed brutal warfare, or saying Sherman was justified in laying waste to SC?
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
So, education? Where did you study? South Carolina? I see... No, that would be all, we'll contact you later this month, thanks for coming.
http://xkcd.com/750/
There's been an update, Ed needs to update the summary:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19661650&title=teacher-suspended-for-reading-pornographic-material-in-enders-game
The important part to note is as follows, and is a statement from Orson Scott Card:
"But Card told the Doug Wright Show, the way he understands it, the teacher had also been reading inappropriate material off the Internet to the class. Card believes the parent must have looked at the reading list, saw "Ender's Game," and got upset.
So it sounds like Mommy is indeed a dumb Bitch who is making a knee-jerk reaction, but she might have actually had a real complaint.
From TFA:
Update 2: According to an update at io9:
According to a news report by local station WRDW, the police incident report in the case claims that the teacher read “pornographic material from the Internet to the students in class. One of the stories was about prostitutes having their faces covered with ejaculation.” But according to the WRDW report, the school is still maintaining that the offending material was just three books that the teacher read to class, which were primarily offensive due to swear words. (Thanks to AJRimmer for pointing us to this.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9_kTOgjT3E
OK, whoever did this did not do their research. This is why you don't use sparknotes!
The bad guys in Ender's game are called Buggers aren't they? In the UK, a bugger is someone who indulges in anal sex. Anal sex being called buggery in some circles (as it were). Just wondering if the mum in question picked up on that? More likely she's just barking mad though and frankly more of a danger to her kid's mental wellbeing that this book.
I want a list of atrocities done in your name - Recoil
More importantly. God promises he won't destroy it "with water, but will do so with fire" (which is what revelations then details... but contrary to the good congresscritter, it only speaks about what God will do. It never says "you will not destroy yourselves."
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This should definitely help OSC sell more books and more people will know how great this story is. There is no such thing as bad press.
>it seems most gays are gay because they grew up in strict religious and there oppressive anti sex BS I take it you've missed the entire "born that way" meme. Gays are gay because, well, they're gay. Most go about their lives quietly under the radar. The tragedies we hear about are the ones who are in the public eye due to evangelicalism (especially televangelism) and then run off the rails either because they've been outed or they can't keep up the cognitive dissonance. Others come into the public eye because their lives have become a train wreck because of religion, not because they're gay.
I've heard idiots in Lithuanian government tried to ban Carl Sagan's "Demon-Haunted World" thinking it was satanist literature as it is listed as recommended reading in:
:) If you actually take time to read what's on that page, it's 100% pure atheism/scepticism, no Satan worship involved. This was several years ago. Well, thankfully someone explained them who Carl Sagan is and what is that book all about. I have a strong suspicion 99% of people who want to ban books haven't read the books they want to ban and have no clue what they are talking about. Ignorance rules again.
http://www.satan.lt/Video_audio_knygos/Antireliginiai_video_audio_knygos#Knygos
which is a "satanist" page
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Good thing he didn't read that one out, or he'd be charged with dissemination of child pr0n...
Doesn't 1985 have umm actual sex? I just started reading the "Tale of Two Cities", the scene where Madame Manette reunites with her father is disturbing incestuous and erotic. Is the shower fight seen between two boys? Maybe the lady has another problem on her mind. Because it's still socially acceptable to bet up on pornography but not homosexuality.
I read that book way back when in middle school, where it was actually part of the curriculum for some. And I later met orson Scott card, who is a Mormon and probably on a short list for "least sensual writer ever". I can verify that there is no sex in enders game, cause I would have found it. Its outrageous that someone could lose their job over what was probably the defining book of my adolescence, and for false charges as well. I wish the south would "rise again" just so the rest of the country could slap some sense into them.
The Ironic thing is the author Orson Scott Card is a Mormon (LDS) Science fiction author.
If anything Mormons are against more its porn and sexuality.
Maybe I'd read too much science fiction already. Didn't much like this book.
"Never again will I curse the ground because of humans">
The apocalypse isn't "because of humans", it was a part of the plan from the beginning.
...let me guess, the mother was Muslim and was offended that ants had human-like intelligence as this is an affront to Allah, Invisible Man of the Middle East?
There are 2 groups of people you can make fun of on the Internet without fear of attack. The illiterate, and the Amish.
According to a local paper, the police investigation is closed and the teacher is not being criminally charged. [ http://www.aikenstandard.com/story/032112-middle-school-teacher-investigation--3877085 ]
That outcome pretty much puts paid to the pornography charges -- there would not have been any in the Agatha Christie book, and anyone who's read Ender's Game knows there is no pornography in it, which leaves The Devil's Paintbox. I haven't read it (yet - I get it from the library this weekend), but it is a young adult western type book and while reviews say that it does mention prostitutes, I somewhat doubt that it was as explicit as "prostitutes having their faces covered with ejaculation", which is what the report filed with the police claimed.
There were also reports that the teacher had read the pornography off the internet, and counter-reports that no, people were confused because he'd been reading the books from a Kindle or Nook. Regardless, the police must have found that to be unsubstantiated as well.
What remains is the trouble he's in for apparently teaching the books without submitting them for review. Since the school has since declared two of the three books inappropriate for middle-schoolers due to language and subject matter (unfortunately, I've been able to find nothing more specific than that as to the details), the consequences of this little debacle will be that students in that school district will be out a couple of good reads.
That will place the time line to about 2-3 billion years from now. It's a very cool, I mean warm, prophecy which will inevitable happen.
i would just like to say that i read Ender's Game when i was in... oh, sixth grade or so. i absolutely adored it, and have been a die-hard OSC fan ever since. my innocent little mind found no problem with the book. he took a damn shower. alert the presses. however, i do find it rather amusing that there was no complaint of violence or discrimination. if i were a parent, that would probably be my primary complaint. (if i were hopelessly devoted to my little snookums and wanted no harm to befall him) i can't see how it's the teacher's fault, though. Ender's Game is a great book, and i'd say that anyone over the mental age of eight would enjoy it. it's stories like these that make me realize that common sense really isn't all that common. FACEPALM X2 COMBO
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If I remember the book correctly, they referred to the aliens as Buggers. That's probably all this idiot parent had to hear to go storming off the the principal.
Rather than suspend the teacher, I think they should suspend the parent - clearly not smart enough to be rather children.
Biggest problem we have today - the smart people aren't reproducing, while the morons are reproducing like rabbits...
The apocalypse isn't "because of humans", it was a part of the plan from the beginning.
[Citation Required] and please not from Revelations, which as we now know is not a prophetic vision, but a contemporary political cartoon. ;)
One problem with your interpretation is that the next sentence --And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done --is phrased independently of humans. More importantly putting this quote in context, what was "because of humans," of course, was the flood. It would be overly legalistic to imagine that the author intended by this to qualify Yahweh's promise not (actively) to destroy the earth in future. We should also note that in the next chapter, by contrast, Elohim merely promises not to flood the earth again.
Now that I have seen the true OP (modded to zero), I will have to concede that in the context of a wide-eyed inerrantist congressman too close to power and too far from professional help, it is a little churlish of me to complain about an overly legalistic (and ahistorical) reading of the text. And moreover, he is hardly likely to defer to an historically grounded understanding of Revelations, is he?
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
Wonderful. So this is how the small town I live in makes the national news.
Anyway, the upshot as of today is that nobody is going to press charges against anybody. And it wasn't just Ender's Game that was a concern. There were two other books as well: The Devil's Paintbox by Victoria McKernan and Curtain by Agatha Christie
Here's the latest: Schofield Teacher Won't Face Criminal Charges
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I just read that book a week ago. What part is pornographic? There are a couple parts where the boys were naked because they were in the shower and one part where they kids were forced to leave the barracks naked because they took too long to get dressed but there were not any sexual references or acts in the whole book.
That's 8:21, not 8:22.
Note that God actually promises never again to curse the ground. This is a reflection of the original curse; the ground is already cursed, and will remain cursed until this earth is destroyed and a new heaven and new earth are created. God promises that he will not curse the ground because of humans, so the new earth will never be cursed. The flood could have also been considered a second curse, since it covered all of the ground, making it incapable (temporarily) of supporting life, which is what is mentioned next, where "all living creatures" (which were on the face of the ground: i.e. Noah and the creatures in the Ark were not "on the face of the ground" during the flood, and were saved from the curse).
And, like you said, in verse 22 (the verse after the one you quoted), he pretty clearly implies that the earth might not be around forever.
That's a lovely tautology you're wearing. Where did you get it?
So let's see: ...
1. you go into histrionics about something you think I did
2. it turns out I didn't do it
3. you claim that's irrelevant, because 'all that other stuff I did' made you prone to throw that hissy anyway
4.
5. Profit?!
-Styopa
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/21/south-carolina-teacher-suspended-for-reading-students-enders-game-will-not-face-criminal-charges/
In short, a parent's overreaction caused the school's overreaction. The teacher will get a "slap on the wrist" for including materials without following proper procedure. There will be no criminal charges.
Oh, and the reading of internet stories about prostitutes was a complete fabrication.
I'm assuming the parent never heard of the book and found this page http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html
I guess the parent didn't read the end of that article. Stupidity in all its forms is an ugly festering chimera. When you stamp out the ignorance of one, two more pop up in its place.
They're using their grammar skills there.
http://plover.net/~bonds/ender.html
They're using their grammar skills there.
There's nothing about Revelation that specifically says it's about the end of the world. Some Christians, notably Catholics, don't take it that way.
This is even more evidence that South Carolina is just plain weird and wacky. That's why North Carolina didn't want South Carolina or its people even back in Colonial times.
If you don't understand and you are not from South Carolina, just go there for a while and you will understand.
God's a Cylon?
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Get'em hooked, and watch them go.
A student teacher read a story aloud to a class that I attended (fifth grade, I think): From that moment until my mid-40's I was a voracious reader (too busy with work and fixing up houses since then...). I imagine a significant fraction of the other students in the class followed the same pattern.
Showing the kids that there's a whole world in there is a great way to get them into reading.
That student teacher did us all a giant favor. Fines? No, perhaps a bonus instead.
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>>So Ender's Game, though written by a very traditional homophobe, certainly challenges the conservative world view and does not end well. Though the male dominated world is validated, there is an indication that doning anything to win a war. As so often happens, single incidences in the book are used to provide cover for objections that is really about general content. In effect, too many parents are afraid when their children learn to think.
You might want to read the sci-fi book he wrote about the Castratii, "Songmaster" before you accuse him of being a homophobe.
From a pornographic view Flowers for Algernon was much more sexually explicit, since you know it had sex in it. No Hamlet either I guess since it hes sex and incest.
.. if you can get through the old "modern" Englsh, you'll easily find references to young women lying with certain close relations.
...is the moderately intelligent comparing themselves to Ender because they read a book about smart people and suddenly want to pretend to be smart. All of a sudden they want to model everything they can after Ender (or Bean) because they think it will make them appear brilliant.