Same here. I'm already not too happy with the front-runners, so if one of the candidates (Ron Paul?) comes out and stands up to this lobbying without caving they'll be more likely to get my vote.
"On an individual a soldier doesn't fight 24/7 but there is always something going on like a bombing raid, naval attack, or troop movement on a strategic scale."
I've played 24/7 games like that, rarely are the true 24/7 ordeals. More often they're 20 hours of fighting (if that), and 4 hours of some minor skirmishes by people who live in china to gain a good starting position for the next day.
Not for modern webpages. A single flash ad requires a couple of megs, tack on the capability to have multiple pages open in a single browser (that adds to the memory usage a little), a bunch of these ads, and the actual page content and it's pretty small.
Actually something of interest I've noticed is that since I got NoScript my FF ram usage has dropped considerably. I rarely get about 83MB with FF2 now, because it doesn't have to load the plugins and such.
Pretzels missing that unique flail? Salting solves it! Need something else to put on those fries? Salt it! Need to make your friend's drink taste awful? Salt is the way to go.
(Somewhere along the line we left the analogy department:P)
If someone was able to prove me wrong scientifically to my satisfaction (which such a test would be, if I couldn't get the dowsing to work blindfolded then it's obviously not working at all) then yes, I would. Better to admit to once having been a fool than to continue to fight when even you know that you're wrong.
Fun article. I hadn't heard of most of those, just the Q-Link bracelets.
Nope, but it can't hurt (except maybe your loading time a little, but with 60+ extensions my FF still loads almost as fast as a blank install). I run NoScript but not FlashBlock and do just fine, but other people might want additional security, even if it's useless (I also have 2 software and 1 hardware firewall, and am considering adding another software, no reason not to).
"Which most certainly can't be used offline, and usually only offer full-text searching on the message and topic. Can't search based on contact, date of message, attachments, etc."
I have no idea if my e-mail client can do any of that stuff (though forums can search based on contact, it's called searching by author), because I never use it, ergo it's worthless to have for someone like me.
"Better than suffering your browser timing out and having to rewrite it all. Even if I did only use it once a year, its really good to know the tool gives me the option - EVERY email tool."
Browser time out? That still happens? What browser are you using, I've never had a message time out on me while typing, and I've left them open for days at a time. And I couldn't care less if a program offers a tool I wouldn't use more than once a year, if the other parts of the program are easy to use and functional.
"I'm sure you don't and this point is pure bluster."
Bluster? I stated that none of my forums (bar one) use javascript for validation (and I would know as I run NoScript and have to purposefully enable javascript). Ergo I don't see the problem, how is that bluster?
"If your on a limited device than having a browser open consumes lots of memory and processor you could otherwise use."
True, I wouldn't want to try and use a forum on a Blackberry for instance. Considering that 99% of my communication take place on my laptop, and I rarely use more than 10% of my processor and memory unless I'm running a game (in which case I'm obviously not actively communicating via forums:P) this one is also irrelevant to me.
"None is strictly "better" or "old-hat"."
Yep, and none are worse, they all have different uses. For someone like me, forums are the idea means of communication. For many people slightly younger (or the same age) as me facebook type things are idea, or IM. For many people older than me E-mail is best. None are really 'better', they're just different and can be 'better' for different people.
Wow...and I thought I knew the extend of user stupidity, sending back an unsolicited message because you couldn't decrypt it (since it's fairly obvious these people wouldn't be simply sitting around waiting for people to ask them to send an encrypted message) seems to me to be quite absurd, sending it back partially decrypted even more so.
I mean, I could understand it if it was solicited communications, but what are the odds you'll happen to start into an encrypted conversation with someone who just wants your key?
Not without my patents on 'Methods of convincing individuals, or groups of individuals, to abide unanimously with a procedure or piece of information developed or discovered by an independently third party' and 'Preventing a group of individuals, or an individual, from being able to make an independent decision by means of force, be it verbal, physical, or implied.'
"The world uses email, kids and facebook users, use IM."
Perhaps if you define the world to include only current businesses. Schools use IM and forums, or at least my College does (e-mail is only used for 1 class I have this semester, the rest use discussion boards). And from what I've seen of history, where Colleges go, businesses tend to follow.
1. Forums have had searching since PHP2, keep up with the times, it's rare to see a forum without search features nowadays. 2. I fetch and read all the time in class to save battery, open up a couple of tabs with all the different posts you want to read, shut off your internet, then go through them one by one, marking them somehow if you want to respond, resume internet, hit respond to all of those, shut off internet, type out responses, re-enable internet and post it. Only 1 more step than e-mail. 3. How often do you save drafts of e-mail? I probably do it once a year or so, not really that useful in my book. 4. Most of the forums I use use PHP for validation, I hate javascript 5. And E-Mail doesn't need something loaded? Oh sure, it's an e-mail client rather than a browser, but the difference is pretty miniscule, and with forums you don't have to have 2 different programs open if you want to look something up quick, just open a new tab.
E-Mail and Forums aren't the same of course, but for my purposes Forums are far superior, especially the threading (you always know who someone's responding to, no matter how many posts were made before the response, without needing the entire previous post to be quoted).
"I understand that this is the canon view, but seriously: where were you educated?"
Public school. The basic teaching was 'Here, look at these great Roman people, look what wonders they built. Oh and China was doing some interesting stuff too, but hey look! Conquistadors, weren't they great? Those silly Native Americans, not knowing how to use guns, too bad for them.'
Every history class I've been in has treated the Roman culture as significantly more advanced than anything before or at the same time, and their descendants as the most intelligent and civilized people in the world. I remember quite clearly learning about the colonization of the New World, and not even having the Native Americans mentioned until the French and Indian War (where the teacher had to explain to the class that, yes, there were Native Americans here before us, they just weren't important to our earlier learning). And my school was no more than 15 miles from an Indian Reservation, with a large population of Native American students.
I would, if the price was reasonable enough. It would seem to be a definite bonus, similar to paying extra for a pool. Now if you tried to sell the house solely based on it having a home theater that looked like hte Enterprise, and you demanded more than it was worth, then I wouldn't think twice but it would definately be a bonus, as well as something I'd pay extra for in a house.
"The antithesis to this for the current "gimme, gimme" IM generation, is that they treat email as IM. I hear this dozens of a times a month, where I'm on the phone with someone, they tell me they've sent me an email, and ask me if I received it yet."
Oh I hate that so much. It's even worse when the e-mail is a one line thing asking a simple question (and it's not a matter of having a paper trail either). So irritating.
As for the article itself, being one of the leading edge of the facebook generation, this isn't all that surprising. I mean, even my school's been getting away from E-Mail and towards discussion boards and other means of communication. E-Mail is still useful, but my generation, and especially the group that's a couple of years younger than me, seems to prefer to use E-Mail only for semi-official communication (you don't IM your adviser, no matter how addicted to facebook you are) and use social sites for most other forms of communication.
This is actually a pretty good idea in my book (even though I don't use it). It cuts down on spam (it's harder to spam a profile than an E-Mail address) and offers features E-Mail doesn't have, and if you need something E-Mail can do you just fall back on it. I highly doubt the kids in this study are going to have the kind of problems people are predicting for them once they go to work, it's not like they're stupid. They merely have begun to use a more efficient form of communication, which offers more features they want, for their personal communication. Can you really fault them for that? I'm sure there was some kind of 'Telegrams are for Old People' or 'Talking in Person is for Old People' ordeal back when E-Mail and phones originated (just two random examples I thought of, no I don't think Bell invented the phone at the same time as E-Mail).
E-Mail is simply being relegated to the same role as Snail mail, and replaced by a superior communication method. I mean, do we talk about E-Mail addicts like they can't use snail mail? Preferring one protocol over another doesn't mean you can't use the other properly.
Precisely. History has always been extremely biased (the winner writes the books) and tended to show ancient people as stupid compared to us, especially the ancient non-European people (here in the US at least, I'd guess that other countries have similar slants). Yet again we're shown that ancient people had a grasp of the world that is surprisingly advanced, and that non-European cultures were just as advanced even if they didn't use gunpowder or some of the other things the Europeans had.
Good article, I always enjoy learning about these sorts of things where someone tries to recreate an ancient feat, using authentic technology. They're almost always informative and teach us that we're not so far advanced beyond older cultures, and no one group has ever known the sum knowledge of the world, one group always seems to know more about one thing, and other groups about other things.
Yeah, I've got my browser set up to get past those right click disabling script, not on purpose, but as a side effect of trying to make use of every security extension/tip possible. Not exactly a very useful form of DRM (I wonder if I could sued under the DMCA for getting around that? Now there's an interesting question.)
Better yet, let's fully generalize it. 'How many parents partake in and enjoy the activities their kids partake in and enjoy?' Something tells me you'll get a similar response level. From my experience around half of the parents I know enjoy the same stuff as their kids. The only difference between video games and something like tossing a football around (I know many parents who don't enjoy playing catch) is that video games have been vilified quite a bit.
How many parents during the 80s-90s could have honestly said that they listened to Rock and Roll with their kids? How hard would it have been to find a quote just like the quote in the summary about Rock and Roll back then?
"I guess once again the problem may lie in the fact that most cars in Iraq and other hot spots may not have the Electronic components needed for this."
No offense dude, but please read the posts before you respond to them, especially when they're just 3 or 4 sentences.
Exactly. We're far too impatient of a society now a days, I remember at the last election (state) one of my friends looking up the results online as they were coming in. Personally I'd rather wait until I knew what was going on (one of the ballots he got really excited about looked to be winning, then fell slightly behind and failed, he had been cheering when it was up) rather than look silly when something changes.
If we really can't wait 3-4 days, not to mention 1-2, to find out who won one of the most important elections then that's a problem with us as a whole, not the 'slow' counting system.
2 difficult to understand acronyms that can't clearly be parsed into computer related items, a claim of being married, and a claim that your spouse will partake in an activity you enjoy that appears to be somewhat nerdy.
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Same here. I'm already not too happy with the front-runners, so if one of the candidates (Ron Paul?) comes out and stands up to this lobbying without caving they'll be more likely to get my vote.
"On an individual a soldier doesn't fight 24/7 but there is always something going on like a bombing raid, naval attack, or troop movement on a strategic scale."
I've played 24/7 games like that, rarely are the true 24/7 ordeals. More often they're 20 hours of fighting (if that), and 4 hours of some minor skirmishes by people who live in china to gain a good starting position for the next day.
Not for modern webpages. A single flash ad requires a couple of megs, tack on the capability to have multiple pages open in a single browser (that adds to the memory usage a little), a bunch of these ads, and the actual page content and it's pretty small.
Actually something of interest I've noticed is that since I got NoScript my FF ram usage has dropped considerably. I rarely get about 83MB with FF2 now, because it doesn't have to load the plugins and such.
There are a lot of things that the consumer's supposed to be allowed to do but that will get you sued over*.
*Like, say, copying your own music to keep a backup of. Now who is it that seems to think that's illegal?
Pretzels missing that unique flail? Salting solves it!
:P)
Need something else to put on those fries? Salt it!
Need to make your friend's drink taste awful? Salt is the way to go.
(Somewhere along the line we left the analogy department
Wait...so visions of a giant Linux monster devouring Microsoft while Ballmer tries to fend it off with chairs aren't normal.
Geez...I need my money back...
If someone was able to prove me wrong scientifically to my satisfaction (which such a test would be, if I couldn't get the dowsing to work blindfolded then it's obviously not working at all) then yes, I would. Better to admit to once having been a fool than to continue to fight when even you know that you're wrong.
Fun article. I hadn't heard of most of those, just the Q-Link bracelets.
Nope, but it can't hurt (except maybe your loading time a little, but with 60+ extensions my FF still loads almost as fast as a blank install). I run NoScript but not FlashBlock and do just fine, but other people might want additional security, even if it's useless (I also have 2 software and 1 hardware firewall, and am considering adding another software, no reason not to).
"Which most certainly can't be used offline, and usually only offer full-text searching on the message and topic. Can't search based on contact, date of message, attachments, etc."
:P) this one is also irrelevant to me.
I have no idea if my e-mail client can do any of that stuff (though forums can search based on contact, it's called searching by author), because I never use it, ergo it's worthless to have for someone like me.
"Better than suffering your browser timing out and having to rewrite it all. Even if I did only use it once a year, its really good to know the tool gives me the option - EVERY email tool."
Browser time out? That still happens? What browser are you using, I've never had a message time out on me while typing, and I've left them open for days at a time. And I couldn't care less if a program offers a tool I wouldn't use more than once a year, if the other parts of the program are easy to use and functional.
"I'm sure you don't and this point is pure bluster."
Bluster? I stated that none of my forums (bar one) use javascript for validation (and I would know as I run NoScript and have to purposefully enable javascript). Ergo I don't see the problem, how is that bluster?
"If your on a limited device than having a browser open consumes lots of memory and processor you could otherwise use."
True, I wouldn't want to try and use a forum on a Blackberry for instance. Considering that 99% of my communication take place on my laptop, and I rarely use more than 10% of my processor and memory unless I'm running a game (in which case I'm obviously not actively communicating via forums
"None is strictly "better" or "old-hat"."
Yep, and none are worse, they all have different uses. For someone like me, forums are the idea means of communication. For many people slightly younger (or the same age) as me facebook type things are idea, or IM. For many people older than me E-mail is best. None are really 'better', they're just different and can be 'better' for different people.
Wow...and I thought I knew the extend of user stupidity, sending back an unsolicited message because you couldn't decrypt it (since it's fairly obvious these people wouldn't be simply sitting around waiting for people to ask them to send an encrypted message) seems to me to be quite absurd, sending it back partially decrypted even more so.
I mean, I could understand it if it was solicited communications, but what are the odds you'll happen to start into an encrypted conversation with someone who just wants your key?
Not without my patents on 'Methods of convincing individuals, or groups of individuals, to abide unanimously with a procedure or piece of information developed or discovered by an independently third party' and 'Preventing a group of individuals, or an individual, from being able to make an independent decision by means of force, be it verbal, physical, or implied.'
"The world uses email, kids and facebook users, use IM."
Perhaps if you define the world to include only current businesses. Schools use IM and forums, or at least my College does (e-mail is only used for 1 class I have this semester, the rest use discussion boards). And from what I've seen of history, where Colleges go, businesses tend to follow.
1. Forums have had searching since PHP2, keep up with the times, it's rare to see a forum without search features nowadays.
2. I fetch and read all the time in class to save battery, open up a couple of tabs with all the different posts you want to read, shut off your internet, then go through them one by one, marking them somehow if you want to respond, resume internet, hit respond to all of those, shut off internet, type out responses, re-enable internet and post it. Only 1 more step than e-mail.
3. How often do you save drafts of e-mail? I probably do it once a year or so, not really that useful in my book.
4. Most of the forums I use use PHP for validation, I hate javascript
5. And E-Mail doesn't need something loaded? Oh sure, it's an e-mail client rather than a browser, but the difference is pretty miniscule, and with forums you don't have to have 2 different programs open if you want to look something up quick, just open a new tab.
E-Mail and Forums aren't the same of course, but for my purposes Forums are far superior, especially the threading (you always know who someone's responding to, no matter how many posts were made before the response, without needing the entire previous post to be quoted).
"I understand that this is the canon view, but seriously: where were you educated?"
Public school. The basic teaching was 'Here, look at these great Roman people, look what wonders they built. Oh and China was doing some interesting stuff too, but hey look! Conquistadors, weren't they great? Those silly Native Americans, not knowing how to use guns, too bad for them.'
Every history class I've been in has treated the Roman culture as significantly more advanced than anything before or at the same time, and their descendants as the most intelligent and civilized people in the world. I remember quite clearly learning about the colonization of the New World, and not even having the Native Americans mentioned until the French and Indian War (where the teacher had to explain to the class that, yes, there were Native Americans here before us, they just weren't important to our earlier learning). And my school was no more than 15 miles from an Indian Reservation, with a large population of Native American students.
I would, if the price was reasonable enough. It would seem to be a definite bonus, similar to paying extra for a pool. Now if you tried to sell the house solely based on it having a home theater that looked like hte Enterprise, and you demanded more than it was worth, then I wouldn't think twice but it would definately be a bonus, as well as something I'd pay extra for in a house.
"The antithesis to this for the current "gimme, gimme" IM generation, is that they treat email as IM. I hear this dozens of a times a month, where I'm on the phone with someone, they tell me they've sent me an email, and ask me if I received it yet."
Oh I hate that so much. It's even worse when the e-mail is a one line thing asking a simple question (and it's not a matter of having a paper trail either). So irritating.
As for the article itself, being one of the leading edge of the facebook generation, this isn't all that surprising. I mean, even my school's been getting away from E-Mail and towards discussion boards and other means of communication. E-Mail is still useful, but my generation, and especially the group that's a couple of years younger than me, seems to prefer to use E-Mail only for semi-official communication (you don't IM your adviser, no matter how addicted to facebook you are) and use social sites for most other forms of communication.
This is actually a pretty good idea in my book (even though I don't use it). It cuts down on spam (it's harder to spam a profile than an E-Mail address) and offers features E-Mail doesn't have, and if you need something E-Mail can do you just fall back on it. I highly doubt the kids in this study are going to have the kind of problems people are predicting for them once they go to work, it's not like they're stupid. They merely have begun to use a more efficient form of communication, which offers more features they want, for their personal communication. Can you really fault them for that? I'm sure there was some kind of 'Telegrams are for Old People' or 'Talking in Person is for Old People' ordeal back when E-Mail and phones originated (just two random examples I thought of, no I don't think Bell invented the phone at the same time as E-Mail).
E-Mail is simply being relegated to the same role as Snail mail, and replaced by a superior communication method. I mean, do we talk about E-Mail addicts like they can't use snail mail? Preferring one protocol over another doesn't mean you can't use the other properly.
Precisely. History has always been extremely biased (the winner writes the books) and tended to show ancient people as stupid compared to us, especially the ancient non-European people (here in the US at least, I'd guess that other countries have similar slants). Yet again we're shown that ancient people had a grasp of the world that is surprisingly advanced, and that non-European cultures were just as advanced even if they didn't use gunpowder or some of the other things the Europeans had.
Good article, I always enjoy learning about these sorts of things where someone tries to recreate an ancient feat, using authentic technology. They're almost always informative and teach us that we're not so far advanced beyond older cultures, and no one group has ever known the sum knowledge of the world, one group always seems to know more about one thing, and other groups about other things.
And since it's Microsoft code your chance of missing a bug is minuscule. *Bada Bing*
"When we have colonies on Mars, what will the people living there be referring to when they say, "The moon has just risen?""
:P)
Who knows? Considering Mars has two moons they could be referring to either one.
(Sorry, but I just couldn't resist nitpicking the nitpicking
*Sticks fingers in ears and closes eyes*
LALALALALA I can't hear you!
Yeah, I've got my browser set up to get past those right click disabling script, not on purpose, but as a side effect of trying to make use of every security extension/tip possible. Not exactly a very useful form of DRM (I wonder if I could sued under the DMCA for getting around that? Now there's an interesting question.)
Better yet, let's fully generalize it. 'How many parents partake in and enjoy the activities their kids partake in and enjoy?' Something tells me you'll get a similar response level. From my experience around half of the parents I know enjoy the same stuff as their kids. The only difference between video games and something like tossing a football around (I know many parents who don't enjoy playing catch) is that video games have been vilified quite a bit.
How many parents during the 80s-90s could have honestly said that they listened to Rock and Roll with their kids? How hard would it have been to find a quote just like the quote in the summary about Rock and Roll back then?
"I guess once again the problem may lie in the fact that most cars in Iraq and other hot spots may not have the Electronic components needed for this."
No offense dude, but please read the posts before you respond to them, especially when they're just 3 or 4 sentences.
Exactly. We're far too impatient of a society now a days, I remember at the last election (state) one of my friends looking up the results online as they were coming in. Personally I'd rather wait until I knew what was going on (one of the ballots he got really excited about looked to be winning, then fell slightly behind and failed, he had been cheering when it was up) rather than look silly when something changes.
If we really can't wait 3-4 days, not to mention 1-2, to find out who won one of the most important elections then that's a problem with us as a whole, not the 'slow' counting system.
2 difficult to understand acronyms that can't clearly be parsed into computer related items, a claim of being married, and a claim that your spouse will partake in an activity you enjoy that appears to be somewhat nerdy.
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What are you doing on