first let me say I don't like this too much either. But on the other hand it is quite easy to bypass this with a little Perl at hand... simply parse the response and get the text only article, which is a better idea anyway (Used to be called "original Usenet format", includes headers and all, and is in nice fixed widht font, like it should be).
My problem with this is that it seems there is no other Usenet archive out there that can compare to deja.com regarding completeness and historical data... I'd have no problem to pay a monthly fee for having access to such a service, but it seems I can't find one.
Meanwhile, I don't have too great a problem with these ads, ignoring them is not too hard, and deja has to pay all those hard drives in some way, no?
-- "The use of COBOL cripples the mind. Its teaching, therefore, should be
>Oops, that's just in the header files located in/usr/src/linux/include/linux and/usr/src/linux/include/asm. Who knows how many bit shift operations there are in the whole kernel.
That about my kernel, though it's only 2.2.7. Yeah, qualifies for rarely done. -- "The use of COBOL cripples the mind. Its teaching, therefore, should be
Can anyone with experience in this area comment on how much of the latency is actually caused by current stack implementations, and how much we can possibly hope to chop off?
Well, I can tell you that when I ping another machine on my LAN with thrice the rate a Quake connection would generate, it gets RTTs between 1.5 and 2 ms. So IMO latency in the IP stack is completely ignorable. What sucks is the next hop over the modem -> 70ms more, and that's not "the IP stack". -- "The use of COBOL cripples the mind. Its teaching, therefore, should be
Well, the problem is this: The article talks about incompatibilities when installing a Win98 SE over normal Win98, which, as M$ explicitly states on their website, IS NOT A GOOD THING TO DO. Of course, they have mislabeled it so the customers will think they can install it and live happily ever after, but Greyfox managed to make it into "Windows fragmentation", which is utter crap, it's just the everyday "App xxx overwrites DLL yyy" problem. -- "The use of COBOL cripples the mind. Its teaching, therefore, should be
The incompatibilites at source level simply don't exist. Period.
Of course you can't take a NT program BACKWARDS and let it run in Win3X, but this is NOT FRAGMENTATION, that's just development. -- "The use of COBOL cripples the mind. Its teaching, therefore, should be
So what happens when you compile a multithreaded application on a kernel-0.99-libc4-System, sucker?
That's not fragmentation, that's TIME. If there are new features in a Windows release, that doesn't mean fragmentation. -- "The use of COBOL cripples the mind. Its teaching, therefore, should be
Sorry to say, but that's crap. You don't have to rewrite a Win3x Program to run on W2k. M$ is tearing their ass up to maintain backward compatibility, and that's one of the reasons they aren't getting on. And as of the different Win98 versions, what do you have to recode to get it from one to the other? The changes are cosmetic, because having no source code every little freaking change on source level needs a completely different version.
First ?;) -- "The use of COBOL cripples the mind. Its teaching, therefore, should be
Wow! Did it really take them that long to #define the word "scientist"? Perhaps we still have a realistic chance to get "hacker" into the mainstream, in thirty years to come...
-- "The use of COBOL cripples the mind. Its teaching, therefore, should be
>The movies are for children but they don't want to admit >that. In the first film they absolutely hated R2 and >C3-PO. In the second film they didn't like Yoda and in >the third one they hated the Ewoks... and now Jar Jar is >getting accused of the same thing."
What the heck? I never hated Threepio or Artoo, and Yoda was my hero for years. And fscking George Lucas walks along, tells us they were supposed to get kids to see the movie. Yoda is a JEDI MASTER, not some kind of clumsy freak creature who can't even talk. He's as full of wisdom as Jar Jar is of shit! And go see the trailers, do you think they are targeted at an audience of CHILDREN? As somebody already said, the guy is about to forget who made him rich!
-- "The use of COBOL cripples the mind. Its teaching, therefore, should be
>I wish *nix developers would learn from the Win >developers that you need to just make a big >tarball or archive of some kind with ALL the >necessary shit in it so I can just install it and >run it.
0. Become a Visual C++ developer annoyed by bugs 1. Go to microsoft.com 2. Find the Visual Studio 97 Service Pack 3. Wonder why they offer VB-only and VB+all Service packs only...
"Most customers use more than one product, so it's easier for them." -urgh
Yeah... I remember being stuck in SQ2 for a whole week cause I typed "put gem into mouth" and the damn thing only understands "put gem in mouth"... Adds a whole new quality to the gameplay! Still, I have to admit I liked LucasArts' adventures more cause you didn't die all the time.
And what country did Linus Torvalds get his education in? And where did he originally start the kernel? And why does it look like Americans think God created them to take over the world.
I offer free EUROPEAN beer (as much as you can drink) to everyone answering these questions correctly and showing up at my house!
If they're going to regard a copy in memory as an extra copy i have to purchase everything twice because I usually forget about deleting applications after loading them into memory.
Hell, why can't politicians leave their hands off things they don't understand????
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Well,
first let me say I don't like this too much either. But on the other hand it is quite easy to bypass this with a little Perl at hand... simply parse the response and get the text only article, which is a better idea anyway (Used to be called "original Usenet format", includes headers and all, and is in nice fixed widht font, like it should be).
My problem with this is that it seems there is no other Usenet archive out there that can compare to deja.com regarding completeness and historical data... I'd have no problem to pay a monthly fee for having access to such a service, but it seems I can't find one.
Meanwhile, I don't have too great a problem with these ads, ignoring them is not too hard, and deja has to pay all those hard drives in some way, no?
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
themel@sophokles:/usr/src/linux > find . -name '*.c' -o -name '*.h' | xargs egrep -e '(>)' | wc -l
17959
That about my kernel, though it's only 2.2.7. Yeah, qualifies for rarely done.
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
how much of the latency is actually caused by
current stack implementations, and how much we can
possibly hope to chop off?
Well, I can tell you that when I ping another machine on my LAN with thrice the rate a Quake connection would generate, it gets RTTs between 1.5 and 2 ms. So IMO latency in the IP stack is completely ignorable. What sucks is the next hop over the modem -> 70ms more, and that's not "the IP stack".
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
Get a decent timezone to live in ;)
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
Well, the problem is this: The article talks about incompatibilities when installing a Win98 SE over normal Win98, which, as M$ explicitly states on their website, IS NOT A GOOD THING TO DO. Of course, they have mislabeled it so the customers will think they can install it and live happily ever after, but Greyfox managed to make it into "Windows fragmentation", which is utter crap, it's just the everyday "App xxx overwrites DLL yyy" problem.
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
The incompatibilites at source level simply don't exist. Period.
Of course you can't take a NT program BACKWARDS and let it run in Win3X, but this is NOT FRAGMENTATION, that's just development.
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
That's not fragmentation, that's TIME. If there are new features in a Windows release, that doesn't mean fragmentation.
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
M$ is tearing their ass up to maintain backward compatibility, and that's one of the reasons they aren't getting on. And as of the different Win98
versions, what do you have to recode to get it from one to the other? The changes are cosmetic, because having no source code every little freaking change on source level needs a completely different version.
First ?
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
Did it really take them that long to #define the word "scientist"?
Perhaps we still have a realistic chance to get "hacker" into the mainstream, in thirty years to come...
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
>that. In the first film they absolutely hated R2 and
>C3-PO. In the second film they didn't like Yoda and in
>the third one they hated the Ewoks... and now Jar Jar is
>getting accused of the same thing."
What the heck?
I never hated Threepio or Artoo, and Yoda was my hero for years. And fscking George Lucas walks along, tells us they were supposed to get kids to see the movie.
Yoda is a JEDI MASTER, not some kind of clumsy freak creature who can't even talk. He's as full of wisdom as Jar Jar is of shit!
And go see the trailers, do you think they are targeted at an audience of CHILDREN? As somebody already said, the guy is about to forget who made him rich!
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
Hell, that's going to annoy a lot of people...
--
"The use of COBOL cripples the mind.
Its teaching, therefore, should be
>I wish *nix developers would learn from the Win >developers that you need to just make a big >tarball or archive of some kind with ALL the >necessary shit in it so I can just install it and >run it.
0. Become a Visual C++ developer annoyed by bugs
1. Go to microsoft.com
2. Find the Visual Studio 97 Service Pack
3. Wonder why they offer VB-only and VB+all
Service packs only...
"Most customers use more than one product, so it's
easier for them." -urgh
Yeah...
I remember being stuck in SQ2 for a whole week cause I typed "put gem into mouth" and the damn thing only understands "put gem in mouth"...
Adds a whole new quality to the gameplay! Still, I have to admit I liked LucasArts' adventures more cause you didn't die all the time.
And what country did Linus Torvalds get his education in?
And where did he originally start the kernel?
And why does it look like Americans think God created them to take over the world.
I offer free EUROPEAN beer (as much as you can drink) to everyone answering these questions correctly and showing up at my house!
If they're going to regard a copy in memory as an extra copy i have to purchase everything twice because I usually forget about deleting applications after loading them into memory.
Hell, why can't politicians leave their hands off things they don't understand????
>Nintendo anti-aliases everything to hell thinking you won't notice the limitation.
:)
Well, the emulator also does. And no, you can't sue me, I own a N64 and all the games i got on ROM.
Besides, I live in Europe