then don't read it. And yes, they are Java because no other option makes sense.
I can add a few command line java utilities I used as well to the list, except I don't know there names, I just threw them away after findnig the worked well on Solaris, but not linux or windows even though they were supposed to.
Sorry, but if a cross platform API doesn't work the same on multiple platforms, it's flawed. It may work fine 99% of the time, and I may have had the 1% bad experience, but the fact is, I've dealt with the flaws and they are from java.
"Nationwide's hiring website for the longest time (maybe even still now), would only work with IE, it was written in JSP/Applets. Dunno why, but a couple applets wouldn't work in firefox in Windows or BSD"
Sounds like an implementation problem; not a fault of the language.
"The local mass transit website used to use Java for their website. It would always work on IE or Firefox, not both. Whichever it didn't work on would have massive null-pointer exceptions."
Again, not a fault of the language - that's a mistake made by the developers of that specific application.
Yes, because cross platform applications should act drastically differently on different platforms! What was I thinking?
It's better, because they don't use a lot of the Java stuff, they actually used a few small parts of the Java features, and built what they needed on top of those, because the fancier stuff in Java ended up not being sufficiently cross platform. The biggest example they mentioned was SWING.
The first two I can think of: Nationwide's hiring website for the longest time (maybe even still now), would only work with IE, it was written in JSP/Applets. Dunno why, but a couple applets wouldn't work in firefox in Windows or BSD
The local mass transit website used to use Java for their website. It would always work on IE or Firefox, not both. Whichever it didn't work on would have massive null-pointer exceptions.
Oh, and then there's my LG cell phone (Powered by JAVA!!), the interface has a lot of bugs in it, often the option you select will not be the option you go to, and the address book will usually display only 1/2 the names in it (random), unless you use a certain route to get to the address book.
Actually, I do, and I am forced to work with the steaming pile all the time, as it is deployed by many enterprises I've dealt with. Popularity can be because of a good product or good marketing - and I'd blame the latter on Java from most of the software I've dealt with made in Java, including enterprise software.
Actually, the software I administrate is a Java application, it's probably the ONLY Java application I've dealt with that hasn't been a royal piece of shit. Most in house development stuff here seems to be.NET now.
So, just because I'm not you, and don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't have a clue. Get over yourself.
LOL, as if Linux doesn't already ship with non-OSS installed in many distros.
I'm just glad of this because it means I probably won't have to jump through hoops to get Java working on my BSD machine anymore.
And it makes me think of my favorite irony... GPL prohibits non OSS software to be bundled tightly with GPLed software, but Linux bundles such anyway.
The BSD license says "We don't care as long plagiaries, or ask permission to not plagiaries", but FreeBSD will not put binary stuff in with their distros, and make you download it manually/separately, if it isn't OSS
The human body would be a horrible source of energy, the robots could easily take it's fuel (food) and more efficiently convert energy out of it, I suspect.
True, but with many phones, you don't know before hand what you are getting in terms of connections. ANd so I didn't know when I got this phone (didn't know all the other BS wrong with it either).
That sums up what they listed there, and it's pretty sad, when, of the stuff I do recognize, Vista is in the lead.
Laserjets? Sorry, waxjet offset has been out for longer, and looks better. You can get one from Xerox for $500 less and it will out perform what they have.
HP/Compaq? *cringe*, Never again. Those are some of the buggiest computers I've seen, and the tech support is second only to Apple in terms of bad experiences for me.
Oh Supermicro is on there, too, I gues they are OK, though I prefer Tyan myself... I've had better experiences there, but that's hit or miss.
Still, I guess I can't expect much better from a company that pumps out meanignless marketting gibberish throughout most of it's articles, and technobabble that only shows they don't quite understand that of which they speak.
I'll go for LaTeX, but PDF? No, I've seen a lot of variations and issues in rendering across platform (or between printers) with a PDF>
Where I used to work, we had an HP LaserJet 5m, an HP LaserJet 4000, and a Tektronics Phaser 740, and no matter what, one of them always printed a PDF differently than the others. It wasn't always the same one, we determined it to be based on which version of Acrobat was used to create the PDF, and which OS it was on: Acrobat on the Mac (most recent acrobat at the time), would only print properly on the Tektronics, whereas from PC the Tektronics and the 5m worked, but not the 4000...
And OpenOffice does better at displaying most word doccuments on Linux than the various PDF readers do, in my experience. Well, excep that the font rendering on OO blows.
can't argue against that. But it'll be a lot sooner than space. And very few things are cost effective when they start out, some things take a bit of a push to make them worth while in a timely fashion.
I'd rater see something on the moon than in orbit...
There's actually mineable material on the moon, I don't know how useful it is, but at least theres a chance the moon can produce resources as well as research.
"...and the Vulcans, who were negotiating reunification with the Romulans, pulled out of the Federation."
Dogs sleeping with Cats.
Agreed, someone pulled this out of their ass. If they don't want the Vulcans in the federation, they better kill them off, because they are integra. Sorry, but this series is not part of the ST universe.
Except if the patronage people/groups could make a profit off of distributing that work and sharing it with others, there would be a lot fewer groups. Effectively all music/tv/movie media would be the equivalent of what the independant and low-budget-for-donation-only groups do. I'm not saying those groups are all bad, but we'd still be missing a lot of quality stuff we have now.
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then don't read it. And yes, they are Java because no other option makes sense.
I can add a few command line java utilities I used as well to the list, except I don't know there names, I just threw them away after findnig the worked well on Solaris, but not linux or windows even though they were supposed to.
Sorry, but if a cross platform API doesn't work the same on multiple platforms, it's flawed. It may work fine 99% of the time, and I may have had the 1% bad experience, but the fact is, I've dealt with the flaws and they are from java.
Yes, I am a programmer.
And I brought up FF + IE because they were both using the same JVM on windows.
Or would you rather an older example of Netscape on Windows (Sun JVM) and Netscape on Solaris (same version of the Sun JVM)...
I had a couple of those two.
Yes, because cross platform applications should act drastically differently on different platforms! What was I thinking?
Regarding the platform lock: there is mono.
However a lot of corporations won't trust it because it's OSS, and I've found many corporations won't trust OSS.
It's better, because they don't use a lot of the Java stuff, they actually used a few small parts of the Java features, and built what they needed on top of those, because the fancier stuff in Java ended up not being sufficiently cross platform. The biggest example they mentioned was SWING.
The first two I can think of:
Nationwide's hiring website for the longest time (maybe even still now), would only work with IE, it was written in JSP/Applets. Dunno why, but a couple applets wouldn't work in firefox in Windows or BSD
The local mass transit website used to use Java for their website. It would always work on IE or Firefox, not both. Whichever it didn't work on would have massive null-pointer exceptions.
Oh, and then there's my LG cell phone (Powered by JAVA!!), the interface has a lot of bugs in it, often the option you select will not be the option you go to, and the address book will usually display only 1/2 the names in it (random), unless you use a certain route to get to the address book.
everything compiled with it has to be GPLed as well (as in, binaries containing both portions).
I've seen Linux distros with the Intel 3945ABG drivers (binary blob stuff) and Linux distros with Java...
Actually, I do, and I am forced to work with the steaming pile all the time, as it is deployed by many enterprises I've dealt with. Popularity can be because of a good product or good marketing - and I'd blame the latter on Java from most of the software I've dealt with made in Java, including enterprise software.
.NET now.
Actually, the software I administrate is a Java application, it's probably the ONLY Java application I've dealt with that hasn't been a royal piece of shit. Most in house development stuff here seems to be
So, just because I'm not you, and don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't have a clue. Get over yourself.
Java is hardly what I would call enterprise ready either.
.NET/Mono apps than basic Java apps (that I have had to deal with).
I've gotten better stability and cross-platform operation out of basic
You are right, Mono/.Net aren't comparable to Java, they don't suck nearly as hard.
LOL, as if Linux doesn't already ship with non-OSS installed in many distros.
I'm just glad of this because it means I probably won't have to jump through hoops to get Java working on my BSD machine anymore.
And it makes me think of my favorite irony... GPL prohibits non OSS software to be bundled tightly with GPLed software, but Linux bundles such anyway.
The BSD license says "We don't care as long plagiaries, or ask permission to not plagiaries", but FreeBSD will not put binary stuff in with their distros, and make you download it manually/separately, if it isn't OSS
this is slashdot... there isn't enough beer in the world to make even the most desperate woman on earth want us.
Oh, wait, that's what mixed drinks are for, isn't it?
Normally, no.
I only make that comment when people try to claim the matrix could happen in real life.
Well, OK, I did debunk one move, kinda. It was Happy Feet. Penguins SHOULD NOT have cleavage.
The human body would be a horrible source of energy, the robots could easily take it's fuel (food) and more efficiently convert energy out of it, I suspect.
you're probably right, I'm often wrong.
I just think in powers of two when dealing with memory, so that's what popped up, I always remembered it as about 1/2 MB.
Next he'll say we will never need more than 512KB of memory?
True, but with many phones, you don't know before hand what you are getting in terms of connections. ANd so I didn't know when I got this phone (didn't know all the other BS wrong with it either).
I want to live in China, or South Korea.
I like that idea. mini USB connector for data and power, have it connect to either a PC, or a powerusb plug.
and no-names...
That sums up what they listed there, and it's pretty sad, when, of the stuff I do recognize, Vista is in the lead.
Laserjets? Sorry, waxjet offset has been out for longer, and looks better. You can get one from Xerox for $500 less and it will out perform what they have.
HP/Compaq? *cringe*, Never again. Those are some of the buggiest computers I've seen, and the tech support is second only to Apple in terms of bad experiences for me.
Oh Supermicro is on there, too, I gues they are OK, though I prefer Tyan myself... I've had better experiences there, but that's hit or miss.
Still, I guess I can't expect much better from a company that pumps out meanignless marketting gibberish throughout most of it's articles, and technobabble that only shows they don't quite understand that of which they speak.
I'll go for LaTeX, but PDF? No, I've seen a lot of variations and issues in rendering across platform (or between printers) with a PDF>
Where I used to work, we had an HP LaserJet 5m, an HP LaserJet 4000, and a Tektronics Phaser 740, and no matter what, one of them always printed a PDF differently than the others. It wasn't always the same one, we determined it to be based on which version of Acrobat was used to create the PDF, and which OS it was on: Acrobat on the Mac (most recent acrobat at the time), would only print properly on the Tektronics, whereas from PC the Tektronics and the 5m worked, but not the 4000...
And OpenOffice does better at displaying most word doccuments on Linux than the various PDF readers do, in my experience. Well, excep that the font rendering on OO blows.
Agreed, there are some quite beutiful themes for KDE, just like most OSS many-things-gui managers.
can't argue against that. But it'll be a lot sooner than space. And very few things are cost effective when they start out, some things take a bit of a push to make them worth while in a timely fashion.
I'd rater see something on the moon than in orbit...
There's actually mineable material on the moon, I don't know how useful it is, but at least theres a chance the moon can produce resources as well as research.
Yep, basically the same as is done now.
Except if the patronage people/groups could make a profit off of distributing that work and sharing it with others, there would be a lot fewer groups. Effectively all music/tv/movie media would be the equivalent of what the independant and low-budget-for-donation-only groups do. I'm not saying those groups are all bad, but we'd still be missing a lot of quality stuff we have now.