Funny thing is, I know several people who are almost tech-idiots who actually hack their own registries...
It's not as friendly for certain types of people, but the heirachical nature, plus regedit can actually be very useful. As well as keeping a lot of things in "one" place (even if that "one" place is scattered all over their computer)
Also, I've not had the troubles installing applications on Windows that I have had installing them on Linux. I want an application not-out-of-the-box on Windows, I open it's installer, go through the menus, and it works. The problems with that are rare, with emerge, yum, apt-get, deb, rpm, the various ubuntu installers, I've not had that kind of reliability - it's more like "click on it and hope it works" in those cases, at least in my experience.
Everybody has a different experience on these thigns.
Also, a closed nature won't affect the average user, who couldn't care less if they could hack the source, or do weird edits to it or not.
So, you are talking about actual whitelists/blacklists? If so, they aren't supported in Spambayes, and if you are takling about something that actually does only that, it doesn't matter because I can't whitelist people I don't know will be sending in advance, and I given my job, I can't just drop those emails.
Also, as stated in another post, whitelisting reduces my test data. Test data > a few milliseconds of CPU time...
Finally if there is an actual spam filter called whitlist, google is overflowed with programs that have whitelists, and can't find it. Regardless, I doubt it could also have the accuracy of Spambayes without the CPU drain, mind suggestin ghow it works?
When linux works out of the box, it's great, but if anything goes wrong, or you need to tweak, the documentation and cross-distro compatability (important when building from source, or even getting prepackaged apps), can be a royal pain.
I switched to FreeBSD, but it's issues (less commercial software, less supported hardware), are easier for me to handle than those of Linux (overall less comprehensive and user friendly documentation).
In the end, get your devs to try both, and compare them to your experiences with Windows (and possibly MacOS as well), and make your decisions from there.
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This is over a month old, and was posted here already.
I admit, it'd be nice to have a whitelist, though as far as I can tell, spambayes doesn't have one. Still, even without a white list, it has a very low false positive count, so I'm fine with that.
Also, by not having a whitelist, if I do miss an email, and someone mentions it to me, it helps increase the accuracy of testing on my spam filter - better than loosing an important email from someone who wouldn't be able to tell me "Hey, did you get that email I sent?"
Shouldn't be too difficult to find the culprit, just look for someone extremely dissatisfied with their service.
That narrows it down to... What, 9/10ths of their customers?
Anyway, it could also be the result of someone who was phished and misguidedly plamed PP, or someone who thinks PP is just an unpleasant company, even if they had never dealt with them...
Actually, couldn't that be used as a good way to trace the spammers?
I mean somebody does a couple of these pump&dumps where he or she is the primary profiter, or several people often appear in conjunction, isn't it traceable?
It's interesting, these rarely get through on my spam filter...
But, I do a couple things that helps:
The filter doesn't 'auto train', I only train it on uncertain mails. I notice a problem before where overtraining could cause a lot of false positives. Also I have about 850 "spam" trained mails and about "450" not spma mails. So far, my false positives have only been from my boss sending me one-liners with just urls in them. My false negatives have been these "lotsa random words" things, but they still mostly don't get through - probably because I have so few words classified. Also I have my filter classify unknown words at the exact borderline of of the cuttoff
So, in finale: (1) I use spambayes, very good and configurable (2) I started with the default cutoffs, but have slowly narrowed them until ham is at 0.25 and spam is at 0.75 (3) Unknown words are classified at 0.75 (or whatever the spam cutoff is) instead of 0.5, or whatever the default was (4) I only only train un mail that comes is misclassified or unknown.
In Windows, I have 3-10 tabs open in Firefox at any given point, occasionally I have IE up for testing, I also tend to have Trillian, Outlook Express, and a few work (or fun at home) apps open.
say 5-10.
I turn off apps I'm not using because the Task Bar is not easy to navigate if you are visually impared.
On BSD, I have simililar application counts at any given time, but I have it split between a large number of desktops, and give each desktop a "theme" or a whole window, to make interaction easy, given my vision.
-without crashing?
Seriously, one of my favorite PC games (a windows game), plays better under Wine than in Windows.
Wine hasn't emulated all the bugs yet, so my game doesn't crash at all, as opposed to windows, where it is one of two apps that actually can take my system down.
Actually, even more funny, it's not just Linux it works in, I play it on something even less friendly: BSD, but I did have it up under Linux/Wine too...
Yeah, gamin gwithout crashes sucks. I feel so abused.
Ahh, so, it depends on how quickly they can make a "This is a cease and desist order: cease and desist or the number of asteroid belts in this system will be incremented by 1, and the number of planets will be decrimented by 1" call?
The latter having been mentioned in a few responses. Tieing it in to other slashdot topics of interest - if we recieved signals from alien planets, that were copywrited tv broadcasts (or their equivalent), what would be the legal stance on recordings and selling?
(1) the high range hardware is only needed for the fancy stuff, which you can turn off: -> use classic interface = hardware upgrade cost $0, you can wait till your standard computer rollover time
(2) $3250 seems high. With the way hardware is going, you can expect the computers to be around $1000 (cheap Intel graphics that are vista compliant, I could build the computer for that price/NOW/, and when Vista arrives, the hardware prices will be down due to higher production), which leaves $2250 for Office and Vista? WTF?
While the article says there are restrictions on doing this kind of monitoring within the US[...]
And these kind of restrictions have stopped people before? Note: I'm not against the passive monitoring of the public press. I just don't like the government not following it's own guidelines.
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Funny thing is, I know several people who are almost tech-idiots who actually hack their own registries...
It's not as friendly for certain types of people, but the heirachical nature, plus regedit can actually be very useful. As well as keeping a lot of things in "one" place (even if that "one" place is scattered all over their computer)
Also, I've not had the troubles installing applications on Windows that I have had installing them on Linux. I want an application not-out-of-the-box on Windows, I open it's installer, go through the menus, and it works. The problems with that are rare, with emerge, yum, apt-get, deb, rpm, the various ubuntu installers, I've not had that kind of reliability - it's more like "click on it and hope it works" in those cases, at least in my experience.
Everybody has a different experience on these thigns.
Also, a closed nature won't affect the average user, who couldn't care less if they could hack the source, or do weird edits to it or not.
So, you are talking about actual whitelists/blacklists? If so, they aren't supported in Spambayes, and if you are takling about something that actually does only that, it doesn't matter because I can't whitelist people I don't know will be sending in advance, and I given my job, I can't just drop those emails.
Also, as stated in another post, whitelisting reduces my test data. Test data > a few milliseconds of CPU time...
Finally if there is an actual spam filter called whitlist, google is overflowed with programs that have whitelists, and can't find it. Regardless, I doubt it could also have the accuracy of Spambayes without the CPU drain, mind suggestin ghow it works?
When linux works out of the box, it's great, but if anything goes wrong, or you need to tweak, the documentation and cross-distro compatability (important when building from source, or even getting prepackaged apps), can be a royal pain.
I switched to FreeBSD, but it's issues (less commercial software, less supported hardware), are easier for me to handle than those of Linux (overall less comprehensive and user friendly documentation).
In the end, get your devs to try both, and compare them to your experiences with Windows (and possibly MacOS as well), and make your decisions from there.
-news back. This is over a month old, and was posted here already.
I admit, it'd be nice to have a whitelist, though as far as I can tell, spambayes doesn't have one. Still, even without a white list, it has a very low false positive count, so I'm fine with that. Also, by not having a whitelist, if I do miss an email, and someone mentions it to me, it helps increase the accuracy of testing on my spam filter - better than loosing an important email from someone who wouldn't be able to tell me "Hey, did you get that email I sent?"
and you need to learn to read, I never said I use spamassasin.
Actually, couldn't that be used as a good way to trace the spammers?
I mean somebody does a couple of these pump&dumps where he or she is the primary profiter, or several people often appear in conjunction, isn't it traceable?
It's interesting, these rarely get through on my spam filter...
But, I do a couple things that helps:
The filter doesn't 'auto train', I only train it on uncertain mails. I notice a problem before where overtraining could cause a lot of false positives. Also I have about 850 "spam" trained mails and about "450" not spma mails. So far, my false positives have only been from my boss sending me one-liners with just urls in them. My false negatives have been these "lotsa random words" things, but they still mostly don't get through - probably because I have so few words classified. Also I have my filter classify unknown words at the exact borderline of of the cuttoff
So, in finale:
(1) I use spambayes, very good and configurable
(2) I started with the default cutoffs, but have slowly narrowed them until ham is at 0.25 and spam is at 0.75
(3) Unknown words are classified at 0.75 (or whatever the spam cutoff is) instead of 0.5, or whatever the default was
(4) I only only train un mail that comes is misclassified or unknown.
I get about 6-12k spam messages a month.
In Windows, I have 3-10 tabs open in Firefox at any given point, occasionally I have IE up for testing, I also tend to have Trillian, Outlook Express, and a few work (or fun at home) apps open. say 5-10. I turn off apps I'm not using because the Task Bar is not easy to navigate if you are visually impared. On BSD, I have simililar application counts at any given time, but I have it split between a large number of desktops, and give each desktop a "theme" or a whole window, to make interaction easy, given my vision.
LOL, minesweeper doesn't crash windows... Actually, I was talking about Master of Orion 3
-without crashing? Seriously, one of my favorite PC games (a windows game), plays better under Wine than in Windows. Wine hasn't emulated all the bugs yet, so my game doesn't crash at all, as opposed to windows, where it is one of two apps that actually can take my system down. Actually, even more funny, it's not just Linux it works in, I play it on something even less friendly: BSD, but I did have it up under Linux/Wine too... Yeah, gamin gwithout crashes sucks. I feel so abused.
should they change their logo?
MySpace: A place for preds.
no, over 18 on myspace is synonymous with pedophile, I think they mean. 35+ > 18.
Ahh, so, it depends on how quickly they can make a "This is a cease and desist order: cease and desist or the number of asteroid belts in this system will be incremented by 1, and the number of planets will be decrimented by 1" call?
to buy games for Wal Mart?
who'da thunk!
(Yes, I know, same name, different people, I just found it amusing).
The latter having been mentioned in a few responses. Tieing it in to other slashdot topics of interest - if we recieved signals from alien planets, that were copywrited tv broadcasts (or their equivalent), what would be the legal stance on recordings and selling?
Would DRM be an issue?
The -2 from OT mods will be worth it for saying this: YOU ROCK.
I do both Java and .NET with a box Like your old one, but the CPU is 450Mhz, and ram is 768MB... Its a little slow, but still functions.
agreed...
/NOW/, and when Vista arrives, the hardware prices will be down due to higher production), which leaves $2250 for Office and Vista? WTF?
(1) the high range hardware is only needed for the fancy stuff, which you can turn off:
-> use classic interface = hardware upgrade cost $0, you can wait till your standard computer rollover time
(2) $3250 seems high. With the way hardware is going, you can expect the computers to be around $1000 (cheap Intel graphics that are vista compliant, I could build the computer for that price
I know I'm not alone in my most hated language
It sounds like s/he's doing something good!
-> Probability politician is lieing: 100%
It sounds like s/he's doing something bad!
-> Probability politician is lieing: 0%
given how critical it is of the current US government, I seriously doubt it is writing it.
that would account for several of the things that have been mentioned that this is less impressive than.
And these kind of restrictions have stopped people before? Note: I'm not against the passive monitoring of the public press. I just don't like the government not following it's own guidelines.