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Wal-Mart Talks Next-Gen Console Onslaught

simoniker writes "Wal-Mart game buyer Steve Perry discusses the U.S retail giant's approach to stocking both current-gen and next-gen consoles, including pricing, launch supply flow, and the availability of demo units for Wii and PlayStation 3. Perry also updates on what's been hot in Wal-Mart stores this summer: 'We've been really successful with Madden, that's been really good. NCAA has been great. Guitar Hero's been on fire. The new DS Lite, the colors came out a few weeks ago, those have done really well.'"

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  1. So, Steve Perry left Journey... by jimstapleton · · Score: 1, Funny

    to buy games for Wal Mart?

    who'da thunk!

    (Yes, I know, same name, different people, I just found it amusing).

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    1. Re:So, Steve Perry left Journey... by hords · · Score: 1

      If this is the guy who decides not to stock Okami, all of the Katamari Damacy games, etc at my local Wal-mart, I would like to tell him off right now. It took a few months after release to see any of the Katamary Damacy games. I kept checking and checking, eventually had to drive to the next town and go to Software, Etc to buy the games. Same thing with Okami, except I only gave them a week or so to get it in stock before I gave up. If stores don't release titles on launch day, or at least a day or two afterward, they are missing out on the fans that want to get the game right away. The same thing has happened with a few DVD releases I was interested in. The thing that pisses me off even more is they have no way of knowing when they will get something in stock. They tell me stock is just shipped to them and they don't know what it will be until they receive it. Can't they even be organized enough to have a way to look up that stuff on a computer?

    2. Re:So, Steve Perry left Journey... by thebaron2 · · Score: 1

      You've heard of online shopping right?

      I mean come on - you waited a few months for those games and never thought... Amazon?

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    3. Re:So, Steve Perry left Journey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better question, who does not realize that there are physical stores other than Wal-Mart? Ones that treat their customers and their employees better than Wal-Mart does.

    4. Re:So, Steve Perry left Journey... by hords · · Score: 1

      I didn't really feel like paying extra for shipping and I kept thinking the game would eventually show it's face a my local stores, but nope. The moment I ordered online it would have been in the store and then I would have to wait for it to be shipped. Murphy's law and all.

    5. Re:So, Steve Perry left Journey... by hords · · Score: 1

      Yes there are, and I checked all my local ones, thus eventually driving to the next town to buy it. I was just complaining at Wal-mart because it was a story about them, I have complaints about other local stores too. But come on, Wal-mart should stock Okami!

    6. Re:So, Steve Perry left Journey... by thebaron2 · · Score: 1

      Touche.

      I've been there before - like each time I buy new sunglasses, the old ones turn up under the sofa...

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    7. Re:So, Steve Perry left Journey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you loved America you would not be shopping at Wal-Mart. I can only assume that, because you shop at Wal-Mart, you are a dirty, stinking, Democrat, who prays to Allah every night for the terrorist to win so they can ban the bible! I hate you!

    8. Re:So, Steve Perry left Journey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Touche'!?

      What are you a fucking retard!?

  2. Agghh by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 4, Informative

    This Q&A felt like a Wal-Mart commerical for some reason.

    - No real information about the PS3 launch, basically just "I think we'll have it this fall"
    - Plenty of plugging for The Apprentice, but why? Who cares? I sure don't.
    - Basically just said everything everyone already knows about the console wars.
    - Stop the press!! This just in: Wal-Mart is a business. Amazingly, they'll stock products if those products will sell.

    I read all three pages and was left with a sense that I just wasted a piece of my life. Sometimes I wonder how these stories get through the submission process (ok, a lot of times).

    Meh, maybe someone got something useful out of it.. somewhere...

    TLF

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    1. Re:Agghh by Hennell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, I felt almost every question was answered with "We don't know" "We'll see what happens" "We're currently doing what we always do". The whole article could easily be summed up with "I don't want to commit myself to anything specific yet thats not already well known."

      The only thing of any use in there was pretty much "Wal-Mart will stock game consoles this Christmas". Which if you didn't already know, you don't deserve to be here.

    2. Re:Agghh by grammar+fascist · · Score: 1
      Well, he had good reasons for that. He did get somewhat specific about E3 on the second page:

      GS: I'm sure by now you've heard of the downsizing of E3 from the Los Angeles Convention Center to hotel conference rooms. Overall, how has Wal-Mart felt about the downsizing of this event in previewing potential new games for its stores?

      SP: For us it's not an issue at all. We typically meet with suppliers on a frequent basis, and actually get most of our information from the suppliers, so it's not an issue at all.

      GS: Does Wal-Mart give any feedback to the ESA, the organizers of E3 of how the event could have been improved?

      SP: Well, for us it was a big event, it was crowded, it was noisy, and you really couldn't accomplish anything. It was just more of a show in terms of accomplishing anything other than seeing the new game systems.

      Amen, brother.
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  3. When asked.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    ...if there will be enough game systems to satisfy everyone, he merely replied "some will win, some will lose, and some were born to sing the blues..."

  4. Steeeeeeeve Perry! by Mayhem178 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dude, I thought we said no more Journey psyche-outs!

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  5. I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by kmhebert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How much money will you save buying them at Wal-Mart? I'll admit, I buy shave cream and razors there but I prefer almost any other store to Wal-Mart.

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    1. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Come on...you can get an Xbox 360 (regular, not core) at Walmart for $399.92, that's a whole ***8 CENTS*** off of the price you'd pay anywhere else! Sure, I have to pay more in taxes to cover the welfare costs of the employees there....b,b,but...8 CENTS!!!!! USA! USA!, NASCAR!, USA! Go W!!!

    2. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by Churla · · Score: 1

      Even worse, my wife works for a division of the Wal-Mart beast as a technical writer, so we have a 10% discount card. Makes it hard to make a lot of reasons to deliberatly avoid buying things there when the budget is a concern.

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    3. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by hal2814 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I buy all my new electronics hardware at Wal-Mart and for very good reason: return policy. I personally prefer Target but even their return policy leaves something to be desired when compared to Wal-Mart. PSP has a dead pixel? Not a problem. Just not happy with that new console? Not a problem. $1000 TV acting funny on you and don't want to deal with the warranty process? Not a problem. Full refund. I'm not the biggest fan of Wal-Mart but they really stick up for you when it comes to big ticket items being returned for refund/exchange. I would actually pay a little bit more to buy most electronics hardware from Wal-Mart (except for computers and laptops which I buy from Costco or Sams Club who each have massive 6 month return policies on those items).

    4. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      How much money will you save buying them at Wal-Mart? I'll admit, I buy shave cream and razors there but I prefer almost any other store to Wal-Mart.

      About as much as you would save if you bought it at CostCo, a blue state company which pays employees more and has a real health care plan.

      See, there are choices.

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    5. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Heck, as flexible as Wal-Mart's return policy is, you don't really need to buy it there to return it when you have a problem. You might not get back the exact amount you spent, but I doubt the difference would be more than a dollar or two.

      For Christmas last year, an aunt bought me a DVD set that I already had. Unfortunately, the wrapping on it was torn, so most places wouldn't take it as a return because it had been "opened." My family all told me Wal-Mart would take it - and sure enough, they did. No receipt, torn wrapper.

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    6. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where will you buy it? Another giant chain like K-Mart or Target? Or the "smaller" giant chains that specialize in video games like GameStop where you'll be assulted by an acne-ridden asshole to preorder or else? Even if it's terrible, the alternatives are too. I just go to whichever giant warehouse discount store is closest, which happens to be WalMart for me.

    7. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "CostCo, a blue state company"
      Wow. Amazing. Are you aware that everyone in "the blue states" aren't Democrats? And...wait for it...all the people in "the red states" aren't Republican. It's amazing how people have gotten this whole red state/blue state nonsense into their head. It's a political party choice, not a sport's team. If you think it all comes down to a color and you think every Republican has the same ideas and opinions as every other Republican and that every Democrat has the same ideas and opinions as every other Democrat, you shouldn't vote.
    8. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      I also prefer buying at Wal-Mart for the return policy. The price on video game electronics is pretty standard across retail stores, but how many will accept returns as hassle free as Wal-Mart does? I've returned things because "It wasn't what I really wanted after all" and they were like "No problem, here's your money back".

    9. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it is only 7 cents less than anywhere else. Try learning basic arithmetic.

    10. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every Republican is a piece of shit with rage and honesty issues. Every Democrat is almost, but not quite, as bad as a Republican. But what do I know, I live in a real democracy with more than one political party, unlike the USA.

    11. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by EnderWigginsXenocide · · Score: 1

      Walmart:

      On vacation out of state my wife got a "camera chip" (SD) for my CF using camera. She opened the package and got the SD chip to rattle around in the CF slot. The blister-pack packaging was torn to shreds. I returned to the same wal-mart with the receipt, the SD card, and the remains of the packaging and asked to get a credit for the value of the SD card put towards the price of a CF card of higher capacity(and higher price!)

      End result, wasted time in line at customer service, more time wasted at CS while photo dept got off it's lazy ass(okay, maybe they were busy) and sent someone over. Decision made to NOT accept an exchange or return on the product as it was "FILM" for digital cameras and had been opened and "used" (again, my camera uses CF and can't write to SD.) Additionaly they said they could not take back the SD card because it was not in a condition to be resold.

      Target:
      Back at home I took the card to Target, said it was non-functional (of course I didn't give them the wal-mart receipt.) They issued a store credit and I bought a larger CF card using the gift-card and additional funds.

      Oh yes, the vacation was NOT ruined. I bought a pack of DVD-+Rs at a local computer store and burned the contents of my current CF cards to 3 dvd copies [using a machine on their sales floor] (confirmed all 3 copies were readable by the in-dash dvd player and looked at a sample of the photos) then erased and re-used the CF card I had on hand.

      Walmart service (to me) has been crap. The prices are okay on most things but the people...don't get me started.

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    12. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      "Decision made to NOT accept an exchange or return on the product as it was "FILM" for digital cameras and had been opened and "used" (again, my camera uses CF and can't write to SD.)"

      That surprises me because I've returned actual opened camcorder tapes before (wrong type but wife didn't know that until she tried to pop in a tape) and they've accepted them. They did try to refuse refund at first but after I asked them to point out where it said I couldn't return opened film on the big board of return policies behind them, they relented. I did also have them once try to not take a DVD burner because it came with blank DVDs and they tried to call that "software" but that didn't get very far once I got a manager over there. Most of the time, they take back pretty much anything and everything. I've even gotten them to exchange open software and then take back the exchange for a refund (not at one sitting but the same person at one store).

      Then again, some Wal-Marts are just more friendly to returns than others. A general rule I go by is that the more a location has to deal with theft, the less friendly they are on returns.

      As another interesting return story, I get a new marine battery for my boat every year from Wal-Mart. There's a one year warranty on their cheap batteries so I bought a marine battery from them for my boat about 6 years ago and just always return it before the expiration. They don't even ask questions.

      "Back at home I took the card to Target, said it was non-functional (of course I didn't give them the wal-mart receipt.) They issued a store credit and I bought a larger CF card using the gift-card and additional funds."

      Good to see Target go to bat for you. They do seem to have more knowledgeable staff so they wouldn't be as apt to consider a flash disk as film. Glad they helped you out.

      "The prices are okay on most things but the people...don't get me started."

      I am well aware of the personnel factor at Wal-Mart. Figuring out the times of day and days of the week when the customer service desk is not busy is an art form. And just because they're not busy doesn't mean it will be fast service.

    13. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by SpecialBrownies · · Score: 1

      How is Walmart any different than Kmart, or Sears before it?
      The sears catalog ended retail as we know it?

      Walmart return policy is no questions asked.
      Excuse me, "you want the cash, or credit to the card?"

      BS on above comment regarding difficulty at same.
      Complete BS.
      . I went through 3 dvd recorders in three years, returned the first two after 88
      days, (and the majority of the Pats season recorded) both made too many coasters.
      Price went from 299 to 99, the crappy little ilo 99$ unit just records. Not hackable, no DivX,(thats why I have XBMC) But it works.
      They will have the 100$ HD player soon, like the 360 gadget. Plus it will come with a cable to plug it in.

      This is the great benefit of free open world trade, dreamed of by visionaries for centuries, arrived at through much difficulty, and a thankfully common thread of faith from RR,George I, through Billy C, to george II.

      Enjoy it whle it lasts, it could get broken, people.

      Locally, many folks are bent by the big boxes, I get that. But big box of cornflakes at the big box Wallyworld is 1 buck fitty.
      I get that too.

      I am sick of the politicization of it though.
      I shop at Walmart because I need to, single dad, more expenses than money.
      You want to pay more, feel free. Walmart makes it possible for me to live here in Lovely uncrowded, beautiful,polite east nowhere vermont, and not be at the mercy of the classic ripoff local grocery/hardware store that charges Crazy prices, pays its people crap with no benefits, then screams how they are the heart and soul of the community. Right.

    14. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hope you and your children are learning Mandarin Chinese, asshole.

    15. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by SpecialBrownies · · Score: 1

      It was once possible that learning Chinese might be necessary. Rise from the rubble and say (insert chinese word here)
      Thankfully, they got it.

      Thier society could stand some opening up by my standards, but they get it. They will become a stronger and stronger ally of stability and peace,
      of friendship as we go foreward. I am cheering for them all the way. I love em. Whole bunch of people, just going about thier bidness. A very far cry from the cold war scariness.

      My mom worked in a shoe factory. I do not have to.

      They are willing. I am thankful. I need shoes.
      12 bux at walmart. Cheapest shoes in history.

      We need courage, education, innovation, more
      musicians. Our standard of living is through the moon. The poorest of us have cars, Tv's, DVD's. Heat, hot water,flush toilets,mp3 players and electric guitars,microwaves, washing machines
      and new blue jeans.

      If you are getting down, ask for help, get back to school, chase that dream, drop the bitchy girlygirl for a hippy chick.
      genuine Hippy chicks are great, really.

      I do not pretend that this change is easy, or not demanding on us, but the basics have never been so easy, ever. And there is a lot of help out there, if you got the guts to ask.
      i am extrememy thankful.

      You ever work an assembly line?

      Thank god for the chinese.

    16. Re:I Won't Buy A Console At Wal-Mart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, you need a education in general. You are almost as supid as Zonk.

  6. He didn't say much, except this by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Regarding the PS3 price drop, the Wal-Mart buyer says "We'd certainly like to see parity on pricing, but we have not had that conversation with them yet."

    That should be read as "Sony will drop the price to Wal-Mart, or else."

    Bear in mind that this is one of the very few people whose position on price really matters. The PS3 is crucial to Sony. Wal-Mart doesn't really need to carry it at all, let alone give it much shelf space. In fact, the PS3 is a rather high-priced product for Wal-Mart. They can move PS2s at $129 (and that's the new slim-line PS2) in volume. The PS3 will be a niche product to Wal-Mart until the price comes down.

    That slim-line PS2 is worth watching. That's a mid-life kicker for the PS2, and the first time that's really happened in the videogame console market. That could be the killer product for this holiday season. The Xbox 360 and the PS3 get all the press attention, but the downsized PS2 will generate the profits this season.

    1. Re:He didn't say much, except this by jbrader · · Score: 1

      Do you mean that the smaller ps2 is the first time a smaller version of a console has been released? That's actually a very common thing, I believe there was even a smaller version of the NES released around the time SNES came out. Or do you just mean it's the first time a slimmed down version has made much of an impact?

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    2. Re:He didn't say much, except this by fo0bar · · Score: 3, Informative
      That slim-line PS2 is worth watching. That's a mid-life kicker for the PS2, and the first time that's really happened in the videogame console market.

      PSone? Back in 2000, while the PS2 was struggling with launch stock, the PSones were flying off the shelves.

      (There were similar, but not as successful slim redesigns of the NES and SNES toward the end of their runs.)
    3. Re:He didn't say much, except this by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think he means he has only been following the video game market for the last 7 or 8 years, but he feels qualified to make statements about the entire history of the 'videogame console market'. Personally, I'm just glad people like this play the stock market.

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    4. Re:He didn't say much, except this by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Everyone's original PS2 is dead or dying at this point and the PS3 is too rediculously priced to buy to play your old PS2 games on (seeing that, what, there's maybe one or two interesting PS3 games coming out this year, and we don't even know if they're any good yet).

      And for everyone else, the Wii.

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    5. Re:He didn't say much, except this by techpawn · · Score: 0

      How about the Sega Genesis 2?

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    6. Re:He didn't say much, except this by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      (There were similar, but not as successful slim redesigns of the NES and SNES toward the end of their runs.)

      Not to mention the Nokia NGage, Sega Genesis/Megadrive and Master System, Atari Lynx and 2600, Gameboy Pocket and GBA Micro, and probably several others I'm forgetting.

      In fact, over the course of the industry's history it seems more common than not that when a company releases a new model, they repackage their previous one to be positioned as a budget model. I'm actually kind of surprised that Microsoft didn't try anything of the sort for the 360 launch -- bundling Forza with the remaining unsold Xboxen and bumping the price back up to $180 doesn't scream "budget" to me.

    7. Re:He didn't say much, except this by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      MS owned like zero IP in the original XBox. That's why they wanted to replace it, because there was no way to bring the costs down on the console over time. In 2-3 years, the costs for the PS3 will be down enough that they can slim it down and make a profit on the slimmed down version. For instance, the Cell will go to 65nm from about 80nm, and that'll cut cooling and stuff, and I assume the GPU will be the same story (as it goes from upper-mid-range to easy to make)

    8. Re:He didn't say much, except this by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      If he'd been following the game market for the last 7 or 8 years, he would have noticed the slim version of the original playstation. I think you give him too much credit.

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    9. Re:He didn't say much, except this by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > Do you mean that the smaller ps2 is the first time a smaller version of a console has been released?

      Not sure, but I think he means this is the first time a shrink/cheaper console is going to be seen as a mid-life instead of end-of-life. Don't totally agree if that is true but a case can be made for it. PS2 is still a useful console, especially at a low enough pricepoint and most especially compared to a PS3 that is going to be priced out of reach for most users this X-Mas (not to mention short supply). PS-One sold ok the year they launched PS2 but I don't remember it being a BIG THING. If some new exciting PS2 titles ship and drive big sales of PS2 this Xmas it could really force the industry to reevaluate. For one it could depress next gen sales overall which Sony wouldn't mind a bit. After all they are only promising 400K PS3 units at launch for the US and probably won't manage that. They can sell those regardless, so depressing a mass migration to next gen this Xmas only hurts MSFT and the big N.

      The big issue many people have with Xbos 360 and PS3 is that they don't offer anything new, just the same ol stuff but in HD for the few equipped to see it. If that sentiment is big enough PS2 could be the big winner. Of course Nintendo IS planning to offer something new but it is hard to predict the effects of NEW and SHINY on gamers. If it flies the big N is back in the game, if it tanks they will probably be forced from the console game and retreat to gameboys and selling franchise titles on other console ala Sega.

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    10. Re:He didn't say much, except this by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      That should be read as "Sony will drop the price to Wal-Mart, or else."

      Bear in mind that this is one of the very few [corporations] whose position on price really matters.


      Do you honestly think that Wal-Mart can play this card? 400,000 units is not a lot, and I'm pretty sure other stores could sell those just fine.

    11. Re:He didn't say much, except this by Shadowlore · · Score: 1

      Bear in mind that this is one of the very few people whose position on price really matters.

      Wal-Mart is NOT a person. Bear that in mind.

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    12. Re:He didn't say much, except this by IpalindromeI · · Score: 1

      if it tanks they will probably be forced from the console game and retreat to gameboys and selling franchise titles on other console ala Sega.

      I think Sony is a lot closer to being pushed out of the console game than Nintendo. Sony is bleeding money right now, and severely needs the PS3 to help it out. Meanwhile, Nintendo has basically been printing money with the Gameboy line for over a decade, and their consoles have been making them a tidy profit as well. In short, Nintendo has a fuck-ton of money. Even if the Wii tanks, they'll just learn from it and move on to the next one. However, I think the Wii will sell at least as well as the PS3, so it'll be a win for Nintendo. Potentially a huge win if it really takes off.

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    13. Re:He didn't say much, except this by IpalindromeI · · Score: 1

      Sony probably wants to sell more than just the initial launch shipment, and I'm guessing the largest retailer in the U.S. can help them do that. Just guessing, though.

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    14. Re:He didn't say much, except this by SpecialBrownies · · Score: 1

      IpalindromeI said "I think Sony is a lot closer to being pushed out of the console game than Nintendo."

      Yup. Nintendo is looking very strong to me this season.
      Especially,to parents of the little kids.

      Nin I was 99 bux with a game. A great game.
      Po' peeple could get wit it, just like the the rich kids. Great.

      360 slow sales is price resistance, no killer app yet.
      Halo Incoming will change that. Price cut will double it, I get off the fence that day.

      But...PS2 sold 100 million units, one Billion games. That is a damn large base of faithful there, it is.

      Sony is gonna have a price disadvatage,less games,
      and only 600,000 in the US for Xmas.
      Default third place.
      That totally screws the game developers who kicked ass,fighting sonys changing specs and bs all the way, finally to get em out for the release.
      They sweat christmas, gauranteed to see red,
      and dust on the shelves.
      They will be upstaged by newer stuff while Xbox starts a major burst with thier new games.

      Possible the developers will say, screw sony and go to the Xbox,Ms will grease with cash incentives,port to Xbox, exclusive to Xbox future.

      The huge advantage of the fantastic number of games available for PS2 is lost.

      I do not under rate Sony, that 100 million base,
      but overall,it is not adding up.
      Walmart would be a major nail in that coffin.
        They have significant weight, they know the market, they will get the price that they know they need or they won't bother.
      Sony needs Walmart, more than Walmart needs Sony. Add in that Wally could threaten to drop Blue ray and movies, plus the incoming inevitable
        100$ HD player.

      This turns folks eyes on the 500-800$ HD sets over there next to the oreos and milk.
      The revolution will be televised, and in HD.

      Great news for the consumer.And big fun.
      Pass the popcorn.

    15. Re:He didn't say much, except this by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it totally wouldn't be a PR disaster when the hot new game console isn't available at your store because you had to try and be a big tough guy on pricing.

      Oh wait, yeah it would.

    16. Re:He didn't say much, except this by IpalindromeI · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be a PR disaster for Wal-Mart. No one outside the gaming community would even care.

      Wal-Mart's revenues for last year were $316 billion, and their profits were $75 billion. Do you really think a large enough portion of that comes from Sony products that they wouldn't consider putting some pressure on Sony if they thought it would help their bottom line? What is Sony going to do, pull all their stock? Get real, Sony needs Wal-Mart, not the other way around.

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    17. Re:He didn't say much, except this by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      Wal-Mart's revenues for last year were $316 billion, and their profits were $75 billion. Do you really think a large enough portion of that comes from Sony products that they wouldn't consider putting some pressure on Sony if they thought it would help their bottom line?

      I don't have figures for all "Sony products", however I do have some figures that you probably should've looked for before making such a huge assumption.

      In 2001, Wal-Mart accounted for 25 percent of computer and video game sales in the US. I doubt that this percentage has decreased, and it may have increased. In 2004, Americans spent about $10 billion on console hardware and software. This makes console hardware and software account for about 1% of Wal-Mart's revenue.

      Now obviously Sony is not the only console maker. However during this past generation they held over 50% of the marketshare for home consoles (hardware sales). Is this still sounding like a good idea? I certainly don't think so. Regarding your other points:

      It wouldn't be a PR disaster for Wal-Mart. No one outside the gaming community would even care.

      The launch of new game systems usually makes the news. If Wal-Mart gets no PS3s, we can expect teasers of "the PS3 launch will be crazy...but GUESS WHO isn't in on the action?!?!". Even if that doesn't happen, I'm pretty sure thousands (or millions) of people will check with their local Wal-Mart to see if they have PS3s. Not having them would force these potential customers to buy from someone else, loosening the Wal-Mart grip on not only games but retail sales in general (maybe not by lots, but definitely some).

      Get real, Sony needs Wal-Mart, not the other way around.

      Yeah, if everybody just stopped selling to Wal-Mart, then they'd all go out of business and Wal-Mart would flourish. Oh wait.

    18. Re:He didn't say much, except this by IpalindromeI · · Score: 1

      Did you read the rest of that Wired article you linked? The entire article is talking about how Wal-Mart can do whatever it wants because it's so big. The statistic you quote only makes your argument weaker:

      In 2001, Wal-Mart accounted for 25 percent of computer and video game sales in the US.

      This is why Sony needs Wal-Mart. They're not going to cut themselves out of 25% of their target audience, it would be utterly stupid.

      Yeah, if everybody just stopped selling to Wal-Mart, then they'd all go out of business and Wal-Mart would flourish. Oh wait.

      You're right, if Sony could orchestrate a massive move away from Wal-Mart by every other manufacturer, it would hurt Wal-Mart enough that they wouldn't have to deal with them. That sure is likely to happen.

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    19. Re:He didn't say much, except this by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      I honestly cannot fathom the thought processes that bring you to such a ridiculous, one-sided conclusion. Further, you fail to see the errors in your logic even when I point out the logical conclusion of them. Consider your previous statement:

      Get real, Sony needs Wal-Mart, not the other way around.

      Perhaps we should logically expand the implicit part of your statement:

      Sony needs Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart doesn't need Sony.

      Now let's look take your statement and expand it to a general case. You are claiming that manufacturers need retailers, yet retailers don't need manufacturers. This is absurd. Retailers need goods to sell. Manufacturers make goods. Therefore:

      Yeah, if everybody just stopped selling to Wal-Mart, then they'd all go out of business and Wal-Mart would flourish. Oh wait.

      QED.

    20. Re:He didn't say much, except this by IpalindromeI · · Score: 1

      Rather than continue tilting at windmills, let me go back to the beginning and lay out my point explicitly.

      This thread began with Animats claiming that Wal-Mart could put pressure on Sony to lower their price for the PS3, at least to Wal-Mart. You disagreed, stating that Sony could easily sell the 400,000 launch units without Wal-Mart, so Wal-Mart could not reasonably play the pressure game.

      I agree that Sony could sell the launch units without Wal-Mart. However, they want to sell more than just the launch units. Millions more.

      Now, taken alone, neither Sony nor Wal-Mart may "need" each other, in the sense that one would go bankrupt without the other. Wal-Mart has other products to sell, and Sony has other retailers to sell to. So in order to answer the question "Could Wal-Mart put pressure on Sony to lower the PS3 price for them?" you have to look at leverage. Who has more leverage in the situation?

      I believe that Wal-Mart has more leverage, because they don't have as much to lose. They sell a lot more than just game consoles, so I doubt it would matter as much to them as to Sony if Sony took their ball and went home. I'm sure Wal-Mart would try to negotiate to make sure that didn't happen, since they want as much profit as possible. But I really doubt it would make very much of a dent in their profits if it did happen. You think it would make a big difference, because it would drive customers to their competitors, and cause a scandal that would drive even more customers away. My opinion on that is that anyone outside the gaming community wouldn't care, so the scandal would be limited to just people who actually want a PS3. Those people would have to go to a competitor, but like I said earlier in the paragraph, I don't think it would be a huge deal to Wal-Mart, due to such diverse sources of sales.

      I think Sony has much more to lose by pulling the PS3 from Wal-Mart. They really need the PS3 to sell well, and Wal-Mart has a very large customer base that can help generate those sales. You said yourself that 25% of the computer and video game sales in the US are from Wal-Mart. Would the gain from not having to sell to Wal-Mart at a lower price outweigh the units that wouldn't be sold because Wal-Mart wasn't carrying them? In my opinion, no, although realistically there is no way to know how many sales Sony would actually lose.

      So, I think Wal-Mart does have the leverage to put pricing pressure on Sony, if they really wanted to. That's what I was trying to say. Whether they actually do it, that is something else. Actually I would be surprised if they did, since I've never seen game consoles at Wal-Mart with a price difference of more than a few cents under anyone else.

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  7. Is it just me or... by antifood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did the interview come off extremly steril? Wal-Mart has the best supply chain in the business, and they are obviously taking that route with their game devision. I just have a feeling that this putting into focus everything that is going wrong with the gaming industry. Less focus on passion, more on lean manufacturing.

  8. Wal-Mart v. E3 by Veetox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When Steve Perry was asked about E3, he said: "Well, for us it was a big event, it was crowded, it was noisy, and you really couldn't accomplish anything. It was just more of a show in terms of accomplishing anything other than seeing the new game systems." ...And I say, "Hm, just like your stores during Christmas..."

  9. Madden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was just at a game store the other day, and their used bin was about half Madden. What a racket.

  10. Games are doing pretty well.. by n3m6 · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the beginning of this year, analysts were saying that this year would be a slump. It seems the total opposite has been happening so far. Games are in fact doing pretty well. Major titles and consoles seem to be flying off the shelves.

  11. GBA--GBA:SP; DS--DS Lite by dmwst30 · · Score: 1

    GBA:SP Backlit screen, new form factor, still in stores today? Massively successful upgraded successor.

    DS:Lite Brighter screen, new form factor, still in stores today? Massively successful upgraded successor.

    Where you may say "That's a mid-life kicker for the PS2, and the first time that's really happened in the videogame console market" it certainly isn't the last. I'm not sure which came first, GBA:SP or PS2 slimline, so let us not argue that point, unless someone wants to go look that up?

  12. Interactives by Grave · · Score: 1

    Ahm... Wal-Mart isn't getting Wii interactives anytime soon. GameStop and EB Games will be getting them exclusively until after fourth quarter. This is due in part to the totally free-standing nature of the controller. No tether. No cord. The only thing stopping you from walking out of the store with the controller (aside from, you know, the law) is that the stores will likely require you to submit a photo ID, credit card, or your shoes as ransom while you are trying out the system. A huge pain in the ass for sure, but with the high demand for these systems and controllers it's the only logical alternative--aside from Nintendo wising up and just using a tether on the controller like with the DS stylus's, although that leaves open the problem of tripping, using the cable to strangle someone, etc etc.

    As for PS3 interactives, Sony doesn't likely have enough production systems to spare for that right now. Between the 3000 Wal-Mart stores, 4500 GameStop/EB Games stores, 750 Best Buy stores, 1300 Target stores, and other retailers, that's about 10,000 systems or 2% of their entire launch production. No doubt by the end of the year there will be a PS3 interactive at each of the aforementioned locations, but I am not anticipating seeing them until at least November or possibly the last days of October.

    1. Re:Interactives by Rydia · · Score: 2, Informative

      They have a "tethered" version, after a fashion... there's a version with a power cord that people have been using at events which link the remote to the Wii/TV.

    2. Re:Interactives by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      "This is due in part to the totally free-standing nature of the controller."

      Or you could just slap a security tag on there like they do with every other small item they have that can be stolen. Or even have a security cable like places used to do with TV remote controls. What Wal-Mart wants, Wal-Mart gets. If they're not getting the interactive kiosks in, I'd wager the #1 reason is that they don't want them.

    3. Re:Interactives by revlayle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, even more of an issue of tetherig, is how Wal-Mart (at least around here.... and I live near the birth place of Wal-Mart) arrang their controllers and screen. Generally, the controllers are "tethered" to a divider between two glass door section where they keep the games and consoles. The monitor/tv-screen are above you at the top of the isle. One woul dhave to step back and point the controll at whereever the sensor bar was located (which is another issue) and hope people don't wack passerbys upside the heads accidentally in the aisles. That and the number of of unattended small children that could potentially destroy the controllers. Wal-Mart "could" set up a special kiosk area, but, honestly, I have never seen any special kiosks set up at Wal-Marts to showcase game consoles.

    4. Re:Interactives by protektor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you think Wal-Mart is going to get left out of the console launchs this fall and not demo any of the new systems at all this fall you are sadly mistaken. Wal-Mart is all about making money and they know that for new consoles, demo systems help sell new console launches. I don't know where you heard this but I suspect someone has led you astray. I know people who work at Wal-Mart who have been talking about the Wii and PS3 launches.

    5. Re:Interactives by protektor · · Score: 1

      Even in the article he comments/implies that they are going have demo units.

    6. Re:Interactives by IpalindromeI · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even if they don't get Wii demo units, I'll let you in on how you can demo one. Buy one. Wal-Mart has got to have the most customer friendly return policy ever. They'll take anything back, even without receipts usually. So if you end up not liking it, just return it the next day. Plus, you get to try it out in your own home, without a hundred other people trying to squeeze past you in the aisle, or bugging you to let them try.

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