Clever piece of evasion there. "I would ballpark the total money spent around $100-$150K max." Was that on Liquid Threads by itself, or for the entire combined ten-year-plus project? Do you even know how much money was spent on Flow by the WMF, Mr. Deputy Director?
>Personally, I think for 90% of the articles, Wales does a decent job as the final gatekeeper,
Which only indicates that you haven't looked at the actual content of Wikipedia very closely. I have. Yes, there are many good, usable articles on it. There are also millions of "junk" articles, thousands of hoaxes, tens of thousands of people being defamed in their biographies, hundreds of thousands of people glorifying themselves by writing their own bios (against Jimbo's own rule), and various other abuses. Some are repaired quickly, some sit there for years. And there's no way to tell if an article is valid or not, except by checking the references very carefully (which few people do anyway--Wikipedia is a lazy man's reference). Wales does no "gatekeeping" at all, he is purely a figurehead at this point.
What I really don't get: why do people worship him? He's one of the most inadequate leaders of a major online movement I've ever seen.
....no one, not even the Wikipedians, has any idea how many there are. No one can even hazard a decent guess, although after 3+ years of heavy study of English Wikipedia and the "people" who run it, I can state with reasonable certainty that there are thousands of hoaxes on it at any given time. They tend to be subtle bits of misinformation, difficult to find and often lasting for many years.
Well, well, well, I don't suppose you're really Lee "Camembert" Pilich, one of Wikipedia's earliest administrators and arbitrators, are you?
If so, why did you more-or-less give up on Wikipedia in 2010? Did you finally realize that Jimbo Wales wasn't an "Internet Hero" or some bullshit like that, and that he had installed some very dishonest people in the admin ranks, and thence at the WMF? When did it dawn upon you that Wikipedia was declining?
1) No, I am not Oppong. I did partly assist him with the publication of his Wikipediocracy article. That is all.
2) I don't read German and so am not privy to much of what happens on de-WP. But Wikipediocracy has a couple of regulars who follow de-WP, and they tell us that even though it is better run overall than en-WP, it has major problems with "cranks" pushing extreme viewpoints. Also, many of the worst users on Wikimedia Commons, who fight any controls over adult content tooth and nail (resulting in thousands of close-up penis photos and other disgusting stuff), came to Commons from de-WP.
3) Your nitpicking about the exact language is superfluous. Oppong himself read it as a direct and violent threat, and he contacted his local police. Who did nothing, as usual, saying that "it's an American website and we have no control over it legally". This is part of how Wikipedia gets away with its abuses and incompetence.
4) Are you "Giftzwerg 88"? Because your furious spluttering reminds me of him.
1) it appears from the threads on this post that many Slashdotters find it acceptable for corporate paid editors to mess openly with Wikipedia articles.
2) and, it's similarly perfectly acceptable for anonymous Wikipedia editors to threaten people who uncover these schemes.
3) plus, Oppong is black, and the threat involved "curb stomping", a very ugly act of violence that white "skinheads" are fond of doing to their enemies. As Oppong noted, it was seen being done (by a white racist, to a black man) in the film "American History X". So acts of skinhead violence are A-OKAY on Wikipedia, because "oh well, people make violent threats on Wikipedia all the time".
I'm getting the impression that soon it will be socially acceptable for Wikipedia's cultlike fans to commit acts of real-world violence against their critics, plus any journalists who uncover Wikipedia corruption. Why?
If anyone wants to see evidence of Wikipedia's many, many (many!) problems, try Wikipediocracy.
There is a blog with regular posts full of horror and madness, plus a forum where you can be lectured at length about the failings of Wikipedia, and Jimbo. And all nonprofit too.
You should see the kind of psychotic letters the major high-end magazines
get routinely. Sometimes they have to take out orders of protection
against certain readers.
High-end audio is a form of mental illness that only afflicts men over
the age of 40. They are massively insecure, and usually affluent--but
they comprise a VERY small group.
If Slashdotters had some actual brains, they'd sit on their
hands. Because the more they squawk about "double-blind tests",
the more attention (and sales) high-end gear makers and
high-end publications get.
....all those unsophisticated Ubuntu users who just want their multimedia playback to work, without messing with "multiverse", and sources.list edits, and.deb packages, and dire warnings about violating copyright laws in the US. Everyone installs that stuff anyway, so Canonical might as well pay the fees.
If Nokia wanted Maemo to be an ongoing, living OSS project, they'd let other manufacturers make hardware to run it. In fact, they'd actively ENCOURAGE other manufacturers. With more platforms, there would be more impetus for developers to produce Maemo apps.
I have yet to see a low-power consumption "general purpose PC" using an OMAP3 or 4 processor. Seems to me that would be a great machine for commercial thin-client or embedded/kiosk uses, or netbooks, or other handhelds. AFAICS, there is no such hardware on the market--just the Nokia 700/800 series. (The few OMAP3 small computers I've seen have been like the Glacier E2000--they stick you with miserable old Windows CE, take it or leave it. Or you get Android. Or you get a Palm Pre, and you're stuck with whatever that thing runs, and a devel community that only cares about porting old Palm OS apps to that new OS.....That's your choice. Want to install a more general-purpose OS? Sorry.)
This is likely to be a great little machine, and I'm probably going to buy one. Say what you will about the older Nokia tablets, they are valid handheld computers, the web browser is better than any on other handhelds, and their screens make the iPhone's display look pathetic. However, it would be nice to see Maemo enjoy a more diverse future, than running on a single Nokia handheld.
Quote: "The long length presented plenty of opportunities for tears and breaks, so in 1952, IBM devised bulky floor standing drives that made use of vacuum columns to buffer the nickel-plated bronze tape."
Wrongo, buddy. Stop cribbing from IBM's website. IBM is notorious for making themselves out as "pioneers" for every computing technology.
The first magnetic-tape drive for a computer to ACTUALLY BE SHIPPED was the Univac Uniservo drive. First system with drives went to the US Census Bureau in December 1951--more than a year before IBM shipped their first tape drive.
(and yes, it used nickel-plated bronze tape.)
You might have a problem with that.
Because her current boyfriend, Jim Carrey,
recently gave her anti-vaccine organization
$50 MILLION.
And if you don't believe that, look at the website for her anti-vaccine organization.
There he is, with the madwoman and her little darling, in the top banner.
Slashdot Mirror
So, it looks like the WMF developed it, eh?
Clever piece of evasion there. "I would ballpark the total money spent around $100-$150K max." Was that on Liquid Threads by itself, or for the entire combined ten-year-plus project? Do you even know how much money was spent on Flow by the WMF, Mr. Deputy Director?
http://wikipediocracy.com/foru...
I'm not feeling the "Wiki-Love" here......:)
>Personally, I think for 90% of the articles, Wales does a decent job as the final gatekeeper,
Which only indicates that you haven't looked at the actual content of Wikipedia very closely. I have. Yes, there are many good, usable articles on it. There are also millions of "junk" articles, thousands of hoaxes, tens of thousands of people being defamed in their biographies, hundreds of thousands of people glorifying themselves by writing their own bios (against Jimbo's own rule), and various other abuses. Some are repaired quickly, some sit there for years. And there's no way to tell if an article is valid or not, except by checking the references very carefully (which few people do anyway--Wikipedia is a lazy man's reference). Wales does no "gatekeeping" at all, he is purely a figurehead at this point.
What I really don't get: why do people worship him? He's one of the most inadequate leaders of a major online movement I've ever seen.
(Hello, David! You've failed again with the anonymous backstabbing, we got what we wanted--on the front page. Give it up.)
....no one, not even the Wikipedians, has any idea how many there are. No one can even hazard a decent guess, although after 3+ years of heavy study of English Wikipedia and the "people" who run it, I can state with reasonable certainty that there are thousands of hoaxes on it at any given time. They tend to be subtle bits of misinformation, difficult to find and often lasting for many years.
Well, well, well, I don't suppose you're really Lee "Camembert" Pilich, one of Wikipedia's earliest administrators and arbitrators, are you?
If so, why did you more-or-less give up on Wikipedia in 2010? Did you finally realize that Jimbo Wales wasn't an "Internet Hero" or some bullshit like that, and that he had installed some very dishonest people in the admin ranks, and thence at the WMF? When did it dawn upon you that Wikipedia was declining?
1) No, I am not Oppong. I did partly assist him with the publication of his Wikipediocracy article. That is all.
2) I don't read German and so am not privy to much of what happens on de-WP. But Wikipediocracy has a couple of regulars who follow de-WP, and they tell us that even though it is better run overall than en-WP, it has major problems with "cranks" pushing extreme viewpoints. Also, many of the worst users on Wikimedia Commons, who fight any controls over adult content tooth and nail (resulting in thousands of close-up penis photos and other disgusting stuff), came to Commons from de-WP.
3) Your nitpicking about the exact language is superfluous. Oppong himself read it as a direct and violent threat, and he contacted his local police. Who did nothing, as usual, saying that "it's an American website and we have no control over it legally". This is part of how Wikipedia gets away with its abuses and incompetence.
4) Are you "Giftzwerg 88"? Because your furious spluttering reminds me of him.
So, to summarize:
1) it appears from the threads on this post that many Slashdotters find it acceptable for corporate paid editors to mess openly with Wikipedia articles.
2) and, it's similarly perfectly acceptable for anonymous Wikipedia editors to threaten people who uncover these schemes.
3) plus, Oppong is black, and the threat involved "curb stomping", a very ugly act of violence that white "skinheads" are fond of doing to their enemies. As Oppong noted, it was seen being done (by a white racist, to a black man) in the film "American History X". So acts of skinhead violence are A-OKAY on Wikipedia, because "oh well, people make violent threats on Wikipedia all the time".
I'm getting the impression that soon it will be socially acceptable for Wikipedia's cultlike fans to commit acts of real-world violence against their critics, plus any journalists who uncover Wikipedia corruption. Why?
...how many events like this are associated with Wikipedia, and which we never hear about anywhere.....
If anyone wants to see evidence of Wikipedia's many, many (many!) problems, try Wikipediocracy. There is a blog with regular posts full of horror and madness, plus a forum where you can be lectured at length about the failings of Wikipedia, and Jimbo. And all nonprofit too.
You posted this same propaganda on a Slashdot story back in 2008.
Who are you on Wikipedia?
....that I started a thread about it on Wikipedia Review.
Mr. Malda, you're not as smart as you think you are.
You should see the kind of psychotic letters the major high-end magazines get routinely. Sometimes they have to take out orders of protection against certain readers.
High-end audio is a form of mental illness that only afflicts men over the age of 40. They are massively insecure, and usually affluent--but they comprise a VERY small group.
If Slashdotters had some actual brains, they'd sit on their hands. Because the more they squawk about "double-blind tests", the more attention (and sales) high-end gear makers and high-end publications get.
Because nobody loves a troll, right or wrong.
PS: Mr. Steward got death threats. Nice going.
....all those unsophisticated Ubuntu users who just want their multimedia playback to work, without messing with "multiverse", and sources.list edits, and .deb packages, and dire warnings about violating copyright laws in the US. Everyone installs that stuff anyway, so Canonical might as well pay the fees.
And BTW, can we please be free of Flash now?.....
If Nokia wanted Maemo to be an ongoing, living OSS project, they'd let other manufacturers make hardware to run it. In fact, they'd actively ENCOURAGE other manufacturers. With more platforms, there would be more impetus for developers to produce Maemo apps.
I have yet to see a low-power consumption "general purpose PC" using an OMAP3 or 4 processor. Seems to me that would be a great machine for commercial thin-client or embedded/kiosk uses, or netbooks, or other handhelds. AFAICS, there is no such hardware on the market--just the Nokia 700/800 series. (The few OMAP3 small computers I've seen have been like the Glacier E2000--they stick you with miserable old Windows CE, take it or leave it. Or you get Android. Or you get a Palm Pre, and you're stuck with whatever that thing runs, and a devel community that only cares about porting old Palm OS apps to that new OS.....That's your choice. Want to install a more general-purpose OS? Sorry.)
This is likely to be a great little machine, and I'm probably going to buy one. Say what you will about the older Nokia tablets, they are valid handheld computers, the web browser is better than any on other handhelds, and their screens make the iPhone's display look pathetic. However, it would be nice to see Maemo enjoy a more diverse future, than running on a single Nokia handheld.
Quote: "The long length presented plenty of opportunities for tears and breaks, so in 1952, IBM devised bulky floor standing drives that made use of vacuum columns to buffer the nickel-plated bronze tape."
Wrongo, buddy. Stop cribbing from IBM's website. IBM is notorious for making themselves out as "pioneers" for every computing technology.
The first magnetic-tape drive for a computer to ACTUALLY BE SHIPPED was the Univac Uniservo drive. First system with drives went to the US Census Bureau in December 1951--more than a year before IBM shipped their first tape drive. (and yes, it used nickel-plated bronze tape.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_tape_data_storage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNISERVO
I wonder if it has anything to do with a primary Xen developer's wacky business activities?
You might have a problem with that. Because her current boyfriend, Jim Carrey, recently gave her anti-vaccine organization $50 MILLION. And if you don't believe that, look at the website for her anti-vaccine organization. There he is, with the madwoman and her little darling, in the top banner.