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I always thought that Maxthon only used Trident (the IE rendering engine) but wikipedia claims that it uses both Trident and Gecko.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers lists 141 web browsers (if you count the different version of IE and Netscape)

I guess the question is how many of them do you have to have used in order to keep your nerd card? (counting the different versions of IE and Netscape they list my count is 41 which probably puts me as a poser, I would guess 70 is the minimum to keep your geek badge.) I had never heard of Alefox, Gollum, or TorPark, but at least I knew of one browser missing from their list Atlantis, and a rendering engine not mentioned gtkhtml So that should count for retaining my geek badge, right?

is there a lightweight CSS-compatible browser that's not a memory pig

I'm looking for one too. I'm planning to evaluate Atlantis, but haven't done so yet because you need to build it from source and I haven't taken the time yet.

Apple took the guts of Konqueror and made a library. Someone else took that library and made a GTK+ version called GTK+ WebCore. Someone else wrote a simple GTK+ application using that library, and that's Atlantis.

I want a browser that looks nice (I want subpixel antialiasing, Japanese characters correct, etc.) and absolutely does not leak memory. I'm hoping Atlantis will work out for that.

http://www.akcaagac.com/index_atlantis.html

There is no Mozilla and no OpenOffice on the screenshot.

List of applications on that screenshot that don't belong to the Gnome Desktop, although they seem to make use of GTK:

* Easytag
* Unknown web browser that isn't mozilla, epiphany or firefox (no bookmarks menu or mozilla/Firefox window icon). Considering the source, it's probably Atlantis, a personal project that isn't even free software.
* OpenOffice Writer.

Remove all those and you're left with evolution and gedit as part of the gnome desktop, and they use the same toolbar configuration.

It looks just like another pathetic FUD propaganda by Ali Akcaagac, long time anti-gnome troll.

In case anyone is wondering, the parents post was brought to you by oooGalaxyooo, a well know Anti-Gnome troll who spends his days copy and pasting the exact same message into every discussion on the net that might be in any way related to Gnome.

Btw, he's the guy who brought you the wonderful successful GoneME fork of gnome, which is indeed gone now.

For more information, feel free to visit his hompage:
http://www.akcaagac.com/index.html

It strikes me as similar to project GoneME which was started with much sound and fury by people when GNOME 2.0 came out and started dropping features and moving options into GConf instead of extra tabs in preferences dialogs.

It turned out that all the noise was really just a few very vocal people and some trolls, and thus GoneME turned out a few patches (reversing button order for instance) then promptly died. I think their last patch to "fix" all of GNOME came to a whopping 22k.

I expect the same for this project trying to drag KDE in the opposite direction. Ho knows though, maybe there are some people really intereste in this. We shall see.

Jedidiah.

Nokia is currently doing 2 WebKit (based on KHTML/KJS by the KDE project) related webbrowsers:

1) for 770/maemo
this will be shipped with an opera-browser, but WebKit was ported to GTK+ (the toolkit used by maemo) as part of the feasability study. This port can be found under the name gtk-webkit and is used for the atlantis browser.

2) for the Series60 (Symbian based)
For this series Nokia is porting WebKit to the Symbian OS and Symbian toolkit, and will thus create a new browser.

links:
http://khtml.info/
http://kde.org/
http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/
http://www.akcaagac.com/index_atlantis.html
http://www.series60.com/
http://www.symbian.com/
http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/7 70
http://www.maemo.org/

g'luck...
Cies Breijs

The Gnome WebKit browser has already existed for some time.
One is called Atlantis http://www.akcaagac.com/index_atlantis.html/
Or you may build Galeon with WebCore http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?threa d_id=5818624&forum_id=42686/.
In addition it seems that WebCore has been imported into the Gnome CVS for some reason (http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-webcore/)

Which is based upon the Webcore released by NOKIA not long ago. Here is a Screenshot

And further Information can be found here.

Please stop trolling /., just because some gnome devs weren't nice to you and GoneMe was such a raving success.

http://www.akcaagac.com/index_goneme.html

Check out gtk-webcore; their browser (osb-browser) is incomplete, but the renderer is great. I was able to load Google Maps with it and zoom in, something I haven't managed to do on konqueror. There's also atlantis, which seems to use gtk-webcore--I haven't tried it yet.

So... if Apple's code is so hard to work with, how did these people get it working? And using gtk, no less! Sorry folks--I'm no Apple fan, but Apple definitely *is* releasing code, and it *isn't* unusable.

Thats right. Mozilla did have a nice marketing but due to the recent layoffs it was no wonder. Also people on the Open Source architecture get more and more settled to either KDE or GNOME desktop environments and thus like a Browser that smoothly embedds into their overall environment which is slick and easy to use.

While Firefox was the right approach in this direction it still is a huge monster compared to solutions such as KHTML (Apple WebCore or GTK+ WebCore).

People want small solutions that does the trick such as Atlantis Screenshots from Atlantis Homepage.

Atlantis is planned to become Open Source soon (as soon as the code gets cleaned up) and hope fully will lead a unified Browsing experience amongst KDE and GNOME by using the technological same Rendering Engine as well as sharing the same Bookmarks System.

Screenshots here, here, here, here, here and here

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AAAAIIIEEEEE!!!!

What the hell is he watching?

This Ambient/MorphOS thing looks promising though.

more here

http://www.akcaagac.com/desktop/pictures/kde/scree nshot03.png

Looking at the font rendering, I still notice bizarre ghost pixels on the edges of curved characters like capital "S" and especially numbers. I'm constantly told Linux font rendering is supposted to be better than Windows and OS X, but honestly, it's a completely false assertation. Enabling TrueType hinting does nothing. There is something weird going on when rendering those curves--anyone more technically minded know what it is?

KDE 3.3 Screenshots at the bottom of that page.

When I first read the /. post, I was excited, because this is exactly what I wanted to do with GNOME as well. But after reading the introduction, I am a bit taken back by some of the phrases the author used, such as:

It's totally regardless for them what the opinion of users are, what only matters is that they must be right because they say so.

and:

I on the otherhand think that some decisions have upset quite a lot of people including me and there was no possibility to bring these problems up on the GNOME Mailinglists or the IRC channel without getting yourself trapped into ugly discussions, slandering, defaming, mobbing or even stalking.

and this:

It would be nice if they could do their own little thing in their own world without convincing everyone else that they must change their stuff the way they like because they said so.

While I agree with the project goal in general, the use of such spiteful language may drive some developers away, especially if there are some GNOME developers who want to participate in both projects. Even for me, now I am afraid that I would be signing up for a war against the GNOME project.

I know the feeling you have, being ignored and even mistreated, but the introduction of your project home page is no place to amplify these complaints.

Be positive, I believe that will win you more community support.

Here's what I posted a while back about this in my livejournal:

Finally, one of the (vocal minority of) whining lusers who complain about GNOME in every message board and mailing list in existence has decided to get off his ass and do something about it. The result is "

project GoneME", which hopes to eventually fork GNOME. Currently all that there is is a patch that reverses the button order, which the author calls "fixing" the button order.

While the decision to do something other than whining is a laudable one, I don't think much will come of this project because the author displays the same ignorance that characterizes all the other complainers. For instance, he thinks there's little difference between gconf and the windows registry, even though gnome devs have repeatedly explained why that's not the case in a manner even a 12 year old can understand. He also makes the moronic assertion that gconf XML files are "unreadable". They are in fact more readable than old-school plain text config files because they are in a standard format and because each key reports its type. The author doesn't seem to have an open-minded attitude towards programming either. "I for my own never ever used Python and I don't plan to learn or use Python in the future". I think the author believes in writing everything in C for speed. I wonder for how many more years such opinions will continue to persist?

Update: Since I posted this entry he has posted some more ideas on the site.

"Actually I do like GNOME because of the fact that it is written in C (and therefore fits in the UNIX world)".

That confirms what I surmised earlier. But I'm ROTFLMAO at the "fits the UNIX world" comment. Writing everything in C was the UNIX philosophy back in the 80s when the rest of the world was still stuck with assembly. For quite a long time now the UNIX philosophy has been to not write everything in C. The UNIX way is in fact to choose the most high level language that makes sense for the given task. See what ESR's The Art of Unix Programming has to say on the subject of programming languages.

While I agree with elephantum and eightpixelshigh that this project will die, I think that won't happen very soon. My prognosis is as follows:

Everything is going to be hunky dory as long as it is a set of patches to GNOME. They'll revert the button order and remove spatial nautilus and generally undo whatever usability improvements have happened over the last two years. There are quite a few people who will greatly applaud these changes, who think of themselves as "advanced UNIX users" and whom I call "desktop masochists". They want their desktop to be a way to show off their geekiness, and nothing more. They live under the illusion that it makes them "more efficient". (I know a couple such guys in my lab. I will be recommending gomeME to them ;-)

The problem for GoneME will start when they actually decide to fork GNOME. Due to their doing everything in C and in general avoiding any technology invented within the last decade because it is "bloat", GNOME will pull far ahead of them the moment they no longer inherit GNOME code changes. But that'd be the least of their worries. They'll be big on "listening to their users", and everyone will want to do thi

The horrible failure of GNOME has lead into a Fork. People join their project irc channel in masses on #goneme irc.freenode.net

Hello,

I have started a little project which is intended to get the GNOME Desktop into a different direction. It's not aimed for people who love GNOME as it is now - No, it's more aimed to those who are experts to Unix and who like and wish so many times that some of the changes that went into GNOME never happened. The project was started yesterday and the first patches to *fix* the buttonorder (as one of many ideas and points) were created already. I plan to create the outstanding *fixes* for correcting the buttonorder in the upcoming days (as I have time) and then like to head over to other things that I personally like to have fixed. The project is not aimed to be a cooperation with the core GNOME it's more private work that I started for my own needs.

In case someone is interested then feel free to read more about it on the Project GoneME page. Please do not expect huge wonders, it's just a test to see if people might be interested or not. As said it mainly covers my own interests at the moment. Please also don't put to much value in my brought up project description, they need to be reworked and altered anyways. I wrote the stuff as they came into my mind.

No that's partially true. There ARE indeed new Amiga Hardware either in the AmigaONE or the Pegasos II. It's a new PowerPC architecture with industry standard formfactor and components. I have one here running MorphOS a native PowerPC Operating System with full AmigaOS 3.1 API compatibility + MC680x0 JIT for emulating old Amiga programms in full speed (even faster)

For some cool ScreenShots go to my Web page Here the Link or for more look at MorphZone (top right Image Gallery).

greetings,

oGALAXYo

Balsa
Atlantis
CVSGnomw

Not bad for a KDE Troll eh ? There are many projects around GNOME where you can find the name 'Ali Akcaagac' in ChangeLogs. Next time if you fucking anonymous faggots gonna abuse my name make sure to not write out of your ass.

oGALAXYo

Balsa
Atlantis
CVSGnomw

Not bad for a KDE Troll eh ? There are many projects around GNOME where you can find the name 'Ali Akcaagac' in ChangeLogs. Next time if you fucking anonymous faggots gonna abuse my name make sure to not write out of your ass.

oGALAXYo