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Horses have been trained not to spook for thousands of years.

Horses not only can be abandoned, but can also be eaten in times of need.

The land drone has been done too, though this has been criticized by animal rights groups.

demonstrations at one's home using a loudspeaker; abusive graffiti, posters and stickers on one's car and house; invading offices and, damaging property and stealing documents; chaining gates shut, and blocking gates; physical assault including spraying cleaning fluid into one's eyes; smashing the windows of one's house while the individual's family was at home; flooding one's home while the individual was away; vandalizing one's car; firebombing one's car; bomb hoaxes; threatening telephone calls and letters including threats to kill or injure one's partner or children; e-mail bombs in an attempt to crash computers; sending continuous black faxes causing fax machines to burn out; telephone blockades by repeated dialing to prevent the use of the telephone; and arranging for an undertaker to call to collect one's body.

50. On or about August 10, 2002, members of the conspiracy, including defendant LAUREN GAZZOLA, assembled outside the home of RH, an employee of M. Corp. and, using a megaphone, threatened RH, his wife and family with burning down their home.

It would be nice if the anti-science stuff didn't always focus on the creationists and would occasionally also focus on the animal rights nuts who advocate killing researchers and blowing up labs. Just 'cause they don't tote Bibles (though some do), doesn't mean they're not every bit as big a problem as the creationists (besides, creationists rarely blow up biosciences labs like animal rights extremists do).

Those would be the actions of animal rights activists, not nessecarily enviromentalists (unless there are enviromentalists that are also ARAs) unless you count the Earth Liberation Front, sister to the Animal Liberation Front who is infamous for the exact same tactics (firebombing, sabotage (some that can put lives at risk) and heavy vandalism, but different targets. Still, the actions of these lunatics makes me sick.... I would love to crash a PETA protest using their tatics and see how they feel about it. ^_^

No... it's not ignorance. I think the reason that 'regular guys like him' vote against enviornmentalists is because they are bat-shit insane.
 
For example, comparing the killing of animals to the holocaust. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/28/peta.ho locaust
 
Sadly, this isn't the worse things enviornmentalist groups have done. No, that would probably be comparing the owning of pets to owning human slaves. http://www.animalrights.net/archives/year/2005/000 353.html. And that's not even bringing up the Animal Liberation Front (a group of terrorists who firebomb research labs)
 
It's hard to vote for a group of people who are so morally replusive that they make W.A.R. look reasonable.

This is what happenened when PETA activists showed up at my school and tried to force-feed us their bullshit:
http://www.animalrights.net/archives/year/2002/000 325.html

Wrong. PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk, one of the most extreme anti-humanists on the planet, fully endorses sentiments such as that expressed by the HSUS (http://www.animalrights.net/quotes.html):

"The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration."
-Michael W. Fox, Vice President, The Human Society of the United States, The Inhumane Society, New York, 1990.

"I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997

Believe me, firebombing the researcher labs and liberating the roaches is quite within their remit.

How would I know where their money goes? They refuse to file financial reports like most charities by claiming a religious exemption. I demand transparency before any charitable organization reasonably expect any cash from me.

The AIP did eventually get the Salvation Army to do some disclosure, but it was back in 1998. But other religious charities, like Christian Aid regularly release their financial statements without a hassle.

Charities exist in a privilaged place in tax law that can easily be abused. So, with the privilage of not paying taxes, charities need to be transparent with their finances. The Salvation Army's use of religious exemption is unacceptable.

SIV seems harmless to chimps, but HIV seems harmless to people until they come down with AIDS. And if SIV never proceeds to an AIDS like condition in chimpanzees we do not know whether it was the chimps that adapted to the SIV, or the SIV that became less virulent to be able to spread better in chimps. I for one wouldn't bet on a not very virulent disease like HIV having any incentive to provide many more than 10 or at most 20 symptom free years in the name of spreading better, and I wouldn't expect the evolution from a moderately good spreader ( 10 years symptom free ) to a very good spreader ( 20 years symptom free ) to happen quickly.

If it was not the virus that evolved, but the chimps, then I would not neccessarily expect humans to have the genetic diversity to field an effective defense. Then again, a very small number of humans are natually immune to it ( search for "Naturally immune to HIV" in quotes using google to find it mentioned but not featured in various articles ).

One might assume HIV is anologous to Syphilus ( SIV evolved in chimps to become less virulent instead of chimps evolving to tolerate it ) but that would be baseless. There are people who have been multiple strains of HIV, and reinfection with syphilis after cure with antibiotics is possible.

Infection with one strain does not confer immunity to all strains ( or even the original strain ). This means that for all intents and purposes, each strain is a seperate disease not in competition with the other strains any more than say, HIV and Syphilis are in competition with each other or the common cold.

More virulent strains of Siphilis died out on their own because visible sores disgusted potential sex partners and probably caused pain for the infected genitals that made sex too painful to engage in. They did not die out because of competitive pressure from less virulent syphilis strains.

There are probably a panoply of Siphilis strains that are adapted to produce more or less infectious sores with strains that produce more sores winning out by better spreading where antibiotics are not available and sores don't cause the host to obtain an immediate antibiotic cure. Where antibiotics are available, almost invisible cases that spread less easily win out, living under the radar of their infected hosts for long periods of time.

Therefore the existance of a less virulent strain of HIV that doesn't cause AIDS, therefore doesn't neccessarily mean the extinction of the more virulent strains.

But the presence of the less virulent phage-infected HIV will make it's hosts immune to non-phage infected strains of HIV, since the presence of the phage will mean any newly aquired strains are immediately infected so phage infected strains WILL be in competition with phage free strains, and so will act as a vaccine that may wipe out HIV sans phage like smallpox.

What evolutionary pressures will the new HIV+phage strain face? Will a person infected with HIV+phage be able to transmit the disease as easily as a person infected with only HIV was able to? Will there be pressure to develop other forms of virulency to increase transmission rate? Maybe the phage, which now requires HIV to survive will lose it's ability to prevent AIDS.

The HIV+phage strain will not face some of the barriers to spreading that HIV alone faced. A person infected with 'harmless' HIV+phage would not be as careful about spreading it as they would be about spreading HIV. People won't be as careful about not getting 'harmless' HIV+phage as they were about not getting HIV alone.

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And I don't hear much support for Animal Rights prisoners from our elected representatives.

Oh, you mean violent thugs who like to beat up scientists, set fires in laboratories, and write death threats to innocent people when they're not jacking off to kiddy porn?

"Animal Rights" thugs are sick, demented individuals who use "poor ikkle bunny wabbits" as an excuse to cause terror and mayhem. The quicker the police break up their evil, violent schemes and jail the ringleaders, the better.

I hope they all get a currently uncurable disease. That'll teach them for fucking with the progress of medical science.

Running a camel into the WTC would not have caused much damage.

I think PETA would disagree.

...I support the extreme view of free software for the same reason that a large portion of my charity giving goes to PeTA.

The kids he's talking about did download arson instruction from the web, but I haven't heard anything about them using "anonymous" email systems. Note that even if they did, that did not keep them from getting caught.