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Try searching on https://www.binsearch.info/ and see what you find. ;)

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Easier for someone to quickly get access to a nice, clean version of the broadcast in a convenient format, strip the commercials and stick it on a file-sharing website. This still counts as "making it easier for the pirates"

Yes, in much the same way that balloons full of air make it easier to breathe in some hypothetical way. Except, um, everyone's breathing fine without those.

You cannot make things 'easier' that are, at this point, almost entirely automated. See here. Bones episode 6x10 aired 9-10 EST Thursday. While that doesn't tell you the exact time it was posted, my news client does...the SD copy says 22:00 EST. Yes, the SD was posted while the final commercials aired.

There's no such thing as 'easier' pirating of TV. It is utter nonsense to make any decision based on that concept. It cannot become easier. It's like easier breathing, or easier gravity.

There's easier downloading of those things, because where copies can be harder or easier to find, but actually producing copies is just happening, in damn real time, magically. It cannot become 'easier'.

- but either way, the regional aspect of commercials still applies - very few companies will be in a position to push the same commercials in more than a couple of countries.

Well, yes. And?

There's not really any point to share the version with commercials via P2P when anyone can just download it anyway.

Wikipedia suggests the Nirvana or Perfect Solution fallacy, or at least, that seems similar. And yes, much of the anti-pirate lobby seem to argue along these lines; forgetting that they are doing better financially now than they ever have. A common mistake is to look at the "number of downloads" rather than the "number of sales that didn't occur due to piracy - the number that occurred because of piracy". The first number is meaningless, but sounds scary and justifies the anti-pirates' salaries.

That's not the fact I was arguing about, although the fallacy seems right.

I was talking about the fact that the TV industry seems to make decisions based on things like 'not making piracy easier', which is, as I said, utter nonsense. Or 'We can stop people from having copies of our show'.

TV studios cannot, under any circumstances whatsoever, in any manner, no matter what they do, keep TV shows out of the hands of people who wish to watch said TV shows. This is a fact. It doesn't matter how much they want it not to be true, it doesn't matter how much they scream, it doesn't matter what they get the law to say or how much they sue people. It doesn't matter if it actually will destroy the TV industry, or even destroy the entire Earth. The fact is still true.

It's an actual paradigm shift, not one of those pretend paradigm shifts that businesses talk about, but an actual one. The reason copyright worked is that it required work to break it. So the only people that broken it were for their use (And they sure as hell weren't doing that work for charity.) or companies that attempted to profit and subsequently got sued out of existence.

Copyright has, as hidden a fundamental premise, that copies are non-trivial to make, so that people don't make a bajillion copies and hand them out to everyone for fun.(1)

We never noticed this fact before, but it was one of the implicit assumptions behind making copyright work. And it's no longer true.

TV studios can either have copies in people's hands with ads possibly in them (Which requires them actually giving out those copies.) or they can have copies in people's hands without the ads. That is the actual choice. There are no other options.

I disagree - I think that copyright law can function perfectly well in our society - it is merely enforcing it that is problematic. The same can be said for speeding (and there are many parallels between t

Looks like it is safe.
http://www.binsearch.info/?q=wikileaks&max=100&adv_age=900&server=

Casual copying (or just making archival copies for youself) of TV in SD is pretty trivial, press play on your DVR and press record on your VCR or DVD recorder.

...at which point you will give the copy to a single other person.

Casual copying of television by physical media is so small as to functionally not exist, statistically speaking.

Casual copying of television by electronic means is, OTOH, so 'difficult' that it's much easier to just tell the other person to download the TV show from some other source. Or download it yourself and give that to the other person. (And by 'difficult', it's not actually that hard. It's just much easier to do it the other way.)

In HD otoh it is indeed a nightmare

Pirating in HD is just as easy as in SD. You just check a different checkbox.

It doesn't matter if component gets 'phased out' or what hardware is illegal in America. The copiers are like two dozen guys, with specialized hardware, and they'll just keep their old, working stuff, or buy from overseas.

Only they need the ability to copy. Everyone else just needs to know how to download a file.

Bah! Forget torrents, too slow and too easy to get busted for uploading. Just use usenet. Try this Binsearch search

I agree!
Piratebay sucks!
http://binsearch.info/?q=X-Men.Origins.Wolverine.&max=25&adv_age=7&server=
Usenet rules!

http://binsearch.info/?q=X-Men.Origins.Wolverine.&max=25&adv_age=7&server=

I would suggest going to http://www.binsearch.info/ and try typing in a few things. If you crank the maximum post age up to match a good server like Giganews, you can pretty much get anything you're looking for, old and new.

http://binsearch.info/?q=Presidential+debate&max=250&adv_age=&server=

May I add another 'No, it's not!' to the comments?

ISP-based usenet has always sucked. The retention was lowsy, the propogation was poor (if they even let you post) - or they simply outsourced to one of the Big 3 [giganews,usenetserver,eweka.nl] [http://top1000.org/#stats]

For those of us who know about it, Usenet is thriving - there's more data passing through it than ever. GN is adding 240days of binary retention (which is insane)

With the combination of NZB files [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZB], and SSL, you'd be nuts to ever use a torrent again.
Speed + security + real files.

There are bunch of services:

Combined:
BitNabber.com [Combines NZB + SSL Usenet access]

Usenet only:
Giganews.com [240 days retention, SSL]
Supernews.com [Cleanest / most spam free usenet server]
UsenetServer.com [Solid service, SSL]

NZB Services:
http://www.newzleech.com/ [Free, but automatic, so results will vary]
http://www.binsearch.info/ [Free, also automatic, but with SSL]

NewzBin.com - [Premium + Invite only, but the goliath of NZB sites]

You can skip paying for number 3 and instead use binsearch.info.

I'm having good luck on usenet. The torrents and public hosts are completely bogged.

If you've got an .nzb capable newsreader, try this collection

Binsearch down

Are you kidding? klibido (ubuntu: sudo apt-get install klibido) is the only news client as far as I'm concerned.
Unlike most other clients, klibido is geared towards binary downloads. It' supports multiple servers so you can use your ISPs and say, your $15/mon unlimited account from newshosting.com (regularly get 4MB/s (yes, bytes) from there) at the same time.

It has native support for nzb so a visit to www.binsearch.info/ is easy and sleazy. Pop it into klibido and away you go.

I used easy news for some time, but the fact that they don't support unlimited really was costing me, otherwise they get 11/10 from me. I'm pretty happy with newshosting.com, too. They're a little slower but I can download all month long.

• http://www.nzbzone.com/
• http://tvnzb.com/nzb
• http://www.binsearch.info/
• http://www.nzbsrus.com/
• http://www.newzmonster.com/
• http://www.newsreactor.net/
• http://www.binage.com/
• http://alt.binaries.nl/

http://www.binsearch.info/ is the best one around

Can I download files using this site?

We merely index the content found on Usenet, and do NOT offer any files to download. You need a newsreader and newsserver to download files.

binsearch.info kicks ass and is free, unlike newzbin