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Re:First post.....According to those figures, Christians are discussed (and based upon the first pages of results, slammed) at a rate of 390% that of Muslims Look at it another way, Muslims are 5% of the population in America, but get the brunt of more than a third of the criticism against religion. I am sure that Muslims do feel disgust over them. However, why aren't they speaking out against them (you being an exception). We are, and if you read muslim blogs, Arabic news (what about dubbed?), or even english ones, you'll see there's plenty. It's not our fault that we don't get headlines instead of Anna Nicole Smith, even though there were full-page ads in major newspapers signed by Muslim leaders condemning terrorism. Muslims held worldwide rallies against terrorism and condemned 9/11. We still condemn it every time it happens like last week.
CAIR, the Council for American-Islamic Relations, hosted a petition by Muslims, "Not in the Name of Islam". As of right now, it has over 691,000 signatures of American Muslims and mosques in North America. Even though Muslims have condemned terrorism for decades, Muslim leaders in America tried to get through to the media by publicly making a fatwa against terrorism, which finally got some mention in a few non-Muslim newspapers. but there was nary a peep about the Madrid nor the London bombings. Were you ASLEEP? Ok, perhaps you don't watch international news or read Muslim newspapers or Muslim blogs or talk to any Muslims on a regular basis, but I still find it hard to believe you didn't even check google for this one. Muslims strongly condemn Madrid blasts. Muslim scholars, countries condemn London Bombings. Australian Muslims condemn terrorist attacks in London
Ayatollahs are Not caliphs, and are only followed by Shi'ites. The most popular Ayatollah is Ali Sistani, who lives in Iraq and disagrees with the Iranian government on their idea of an "Islamic" government. The issue of ayatollahs is basically a red herring, not part of the discussion on a caliph.
I wasn't trying to strawman you, I was sensing a bit of hostility against Islam, like it was getting the blame for the world's problems. If you weren't implying that, then I stand corrected. I don't think Islam has that much of a "hold" on people, the real world problems are caused by the dictatorships like the saudi monarchy, Mubarak of Egypt, Asad of Syria, etc. The radicalism would subside if they weren't so oppressed; compare Muslim countries like Bangladesh and Senegal to an oppressed one like Saudi Arabia. -
Re:All simplistic theories aside....
Whether or not this is the media picking the nasty ones, or that all the leaders are just plain nasty, I do not know.
It took me all of 30 seconds with Google to find sane and rational Muslim leaders:
"American Muslims have consistently condemned all acts of terrorism, whether carried out by individuals, groups or states. We repudiate anyone or any group that plans or carries out a terrorist act. We welcome early actions by law enforcement authorities against credible threats to the safety of the traveling public.
"The American Muslim community has always been dedicated to the protection of our national security. It is also important that our fellow Americans understand that Muslims are law-abiding citizens who should not be targeted or singled out because of their faith or national origin.
"We have been contacted by federal law enforcement authorities who are taking steps to ensure that there is no backlash against the American Muslim community. We commend them for their pro-active efforts. We ask local Muslim communities to step up security measures at mosques and other Islamic institutions. We also urge local law enforcement agencies to coordinate with Muslim leaders to deter hate crimes.
If these aren't the sort of voices of Islam that the corporate media is bringing you, I think you can figure out who's to blame.
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Re:Racism
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Re:Racism
Muslims have never denounced the actions of Muslim Extremism. . Check this out: http://www.cair-net.org/html/911statements.html
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Re:Relativism
Relativism doesn't cut it here. John Paul II and Benedict have been very concilliatory to Jews. Compare that to Islam! Islam's relationship with other faiths is absolutely abysmal.
Using a single example doesn't cut it here.
Pat Robertson: Muslims are "Satanic" and inspired by "demoinic power"
Jerry Falwell: Mohammed is a terrorist
Frank Graham: Islam is "a Very Evil and Wicked Religion"
Rabbi Yosef: You must send missiles to them and annihilate them [about Arabs]
I don't believe Islam is a 'religion of peace' - it's a religion, and like all religions, its a 'religion of manipulating the masses.' If you believe your religion to be "better" then islam, you're deluded. -
Re:I would think it is obvious..For cleaning our own house, we're working on it. What can I, as a New Yorker, do about stuff overseas?
In answer to one of your complaints,
CAIR issues fatwa against terrorism.
Arab scholars issue joint tolerance fatwa, that no Muslim may excommunicate any other Muslim, and thus may not kill them. They also said that certain civil engineers may not give fatwas without knowledge (a dig at Osama Bin Laden).
Muslims ARE speaking out against violence and terrorism. Don't blame me if you never asked a Muslim. -
Re:Cartoons"One wonders where to find the Muslim mobs shouting "Down with Al-Qaeda! Down with terrorism! Stop killing innocent people in the name of Islam, because YOU are profaning the very name of Islam. Stop ridiculing the name of the Prophet in the eyes of the world by claiming that murder is part of Islam!""
Um... They're here. And here. And here and here and here and here and here and even here and, oh, there are a few hundred more here.
Muslim leaders around the world have issued fatwa after fatwa condemning terrorism and calling for an end to suicide bombings, car bombings, bus bombs, subway bombs, and every other bombing short of another Uwe Boll film. Just because Bill O'Reilly doesn't tell you about it doesn't mean that is never happened.
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Re:Don't Be An Ignorant Twat.So where is the outrage from the 1.3 billion that are against it?
Council of American-Islamic Relations condemns 9/11 in national full-page newspaper ad the next day.
Ayatollah Muhammad Husain Fadlallah of Lebanon condemns Osama Bin Laden.
Grand Imam of Al-Azhar seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden (Plus official text)
Prominent Pakistani Cleric Tahir ul Qadri condemns Bin Laden.
Television preacher Yusuf Al-Qaradawi condemns Al Qaeda
Spanish Muslim Clerical authorities Issue Fatwa against Osamah Bin Laden. There are on the order of 250,000 Muslims in Spain.
High Mufti of Russian Muslims calls for Extradition of Bin Laden. Russian Muslims are 15% of the population there, so this is not a pro forma thing.
List of Muslim condemnations of Terrorist attacks. Also Scholars of Islam and the tragedy of 9/11 attacks
Expressions of grief and sympathy in the Arab world after 9/11. (Includes candlelight vigils in Tehran, anti-terrorism protests in Bangladesh)
Iraqi blogger Riverbend recalls the sympathy she felt on 9/11
You didn't hear any protests because it simply wasn't covered in American news. International news did pick up on these events. How about the people in Arab countries who donated blood after 9/11 because Qaradawi suggested it? What about the flower bouquets people sent in sympathy to the American embassy in Kuwait, so many that they ringed the fence? -
Re:Your sig
"Religion is as its followers do: nonviolent Muslims need to wake up, Islam's soul is being murdered."
Of course nonviolent Muslims need to wake up, and they already did. They've been in a living nightmare for the past 3 years. All this profiling, questioning, hate crimes, attacks on their religion, etc. Muslims are WIDE awake and working on it. CAIR's membership is growing. Record numbers of Muslims voted in the last US election. Petition drives are popular, CAIR's "Not in the Name of Islam" petition now has 689,706 signatures since I last checked the front page. Look at the American Muslims' fatwa against terrorism. These worldwide condemnations stretch back to 9/11 and before. Terrorism is the most evil thing one can do to tarnish the image and honor of Islam, and Muslims don't stand for it. Indonesia had a demonstration against terrorism, and Palestinians had a massive demonstration Against suicide bombings. Iran had a candlelight vigil after 9/11, as did mosques in America.
Muslims are helping, they call the police on other Muslims. How do you think the "Lackawana Six" were apprehended? A Muslim neighbor called the police and said they were at a training camp. If you think Muslims aren't doing anything, you're mistaken, but I don't blame you. I didn't see CNN polling Muslims or MSNBC knocking on people's doors and asking their opinion of Osama Bin Laden. Muslims don't support Al Qaeda. Do you think Christians are quiet when abortion clinics are bombed or IRA blows something up? Everyone knows the religious leaders are against this stuff, I guess they won't print it as news.
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Re:Your sig
"Religion is as its followers do: nonviolent Muslims need to wake up, Islam's soul is being murdered."
Of course nonviolent Muslims need to wake up, and they already did. They've been in a living nightmare for the past 3 years. All this profiling, questioning, hate crimes, attacks on their religion, etc. Muslims are WIDE awake and working on it. CAIR's membership is growing. Record numbers of Muslims voted in the last US election. Petition drives are popular, CAIR's "Not in the Name of Islam" petition now has 689,706 signatures since I last checked the front page. Look at the American Muslims' fatwa against terrorism. These worldwide condemnations stretch back to 9/11 and before. Terrorism is the most evil thing one can do to tarnish the image and honor of Islam, and Muslims don't stand for it. Indonesia had a demonstration against terrorism, and Palestinians had a massive demonstration Against suicide bombings. Iran had a candlelight vigil after 9/11, as did mosques in America.
Muslims are helping, they call the police on other Muslims. How do you think the "Lackawana Six" were apprehended? A Muslim neighbor called the police and said they were at a training camp. If you think Muslims aren't doing anything, you're mistaken, but I don't blame you. I didn't see CNN polling Muslims or MSNBC knocking on people's doors and asking their opinion of Osama Bin Laden. Muslims don't support Al Qaeda. Do you think Christians are quiet when abortion clinics are bombed or IRA blows something up? Everyone knows the religious leaders are against this stuff, I guess they won't print it as news.
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Re:Your sig
"Religion is as its followers do: nonviolent Muslims need to wake up, Islam's soul is being murdered."
Of course nonviolent Muslims need to wake up, and they already did. They've been in a living nightmare for the past 3 years. All this profiling, questioning, hate crimes, attacks on their religion, etc. Muslims are WIDE awake and working on it. CAIR's membership is growing. Record numbers of Muslims voted in the last US election. Petition drives are popular, CAIR's "Not in the Name of Islam" petition now has 689,706 signatures since I last checked the front page. Look at the American Muslims' fatwa against terrorism. These worldwide condemnations stretch back to 9/11 and before. Terrorism is the most evil thing one can do to tarnish the image and honor of Islam, and Muslims don't stand for it. Indonesia had a demonstration against terrorism, and Palestinians had a massive demonstration Against suicide bombings. Iran had a candlelight vigil after 9/11, as did mosques in America.
Muslims are helping, they call the police on other Muslims. How do you think the "Lackawana Six" were apprehended? A Muslim neighbor called the police and said they were at a training camp. If you think Muslims aren't doing anything, you're mistaken, but I don't blame you. I didn't see CNN polling Muslims or MSNBC knocking on people's doors and asking their opinion of Osama Bin Laden. Muslims don't support Al Qaeda. Do you think Christians are quiet when abortion clinics are bombed or IRA blows something up? Everyone knows the religious leaders are against this stuff, I guess they won't print it as news.
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Re:Maybe 4 bombsCAIR, the Council for American-Islamic Relations
ICNA, The Islamic Circle of North America
ISNA, The Islamic Society of North America
MPAC, The Muslim Public Affairs Council
The Muslim American SocietyThey all have condemnations of the London bombings on their front pages.
Why do you assume they're silent? I don't assume that pro-life organizations were silent when abortion clinics were blown up. I didn't see them talking on CNN, but my common sense told me they didn't support it, just like these Muslim organizations. If you condemn something but Fox News doesn't bring you on as a speaker to get the message out, what can you do?
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:Bull. Shit.Why is it that it's a very politically unwise move to criticize Israeli and Jewish groups like the ADL and AIPAC, which has its share of extremists within, but CAIR gets all the suspicion?
The Wiki entry is garbage, it's sources are all Frontpage magazine and National Review, Daniel Pipes and Laura Ingram, all right-wing news and columnists. All of those accusations are just that, accusations. CAIR has a huge membership, and right-wing Muslims hate the organization because it's so liberal, so pro-American, and unwilling to criticize Bush too harshly. Even Wikipedia acknowledges The neutrality of this article is disputed on the top of its page.
CAIR does plenty of actual honest and good work. They've alerted the government to hate crimes, publicized cases where employees were fired for their religion, and tried to present their side on News shows. Now that the US government had nearly all Muslim immigrants fingerprinted and photographed, and announced that they'd be spying domestically on the American Muslim community and in the face of increasing deportations, I'd say that CAIR is needed in America.
As someone who's read and kept every CAIR email for the last 2 and a half years at the state and national chapter level, I'd say they're clean. They condemn terrorism so much, so strongly, and so often that to me they sound like a broken record. Their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition against terrorism has 688,878 signatures at last count. CAIR-NY on July 1 announced that they disagree and disapprove of a Muslim group in NYC that pickets gay parades.
Ah yes, and lest I forget: CAIR Condemns 'Barbaric' London Terror Attacks. Wow, they called other Muslims "Barbaric," do you still think they're with the extremists?
For all those who missed out over the past few years:
CAIR Condemns killing of British Hostage in Iraq
CAIR Calls for Release of All Hostages in Iraq
CAIR-CAN Condemns Anti-Semitic Graffitti
CAIR Sends Condolences to Korean Ambassador
CAIR Calls for Release of Iraq Hostages, Ceasefire
CAIR Condems Mutilation of Bodies in Iraq
CAIR Condemns Killings in Iraq, Pakistan
CAIR Condemns Attacks on Civilians
US Muslims Condemn Church Attack in Pakistan
CAIR Condemns 9/11 attack
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Re:In other news: Copyleft plagarises its logo..
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Re:it's sad
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Re:The farce that is parent postI have dozens of links. Here's only a few for brevity.
ACLU on Immigrant detentions
Mass detentions in LA
'Handful' detained in Houston
CIvil liberties groups file suit on behalf of INS detainees
US detains nearly 1200 during registry
Forgotten detainees
After Oaklahoma City, the US passed laws allowing the use of "Secret Evidence" to detain or deport. It's been used almost exclusively on Arabs and Muslims.
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Re:More....Well, duh, of course it is editorial bullshit. That is what slashdot is, an editorial forum.
As continuing to bash Clinton, let it go. He is no longer the sitting president, and we as Americans tend to be worried more about the sitting president than the past president. It is the sitting president who has the power. Move on, accept that he is no longer the easy target, and look elsewhere for liberal conspiracies. It is not Clinton that is going to let M$ go, it is Bush.
Letting go is important. That is why we hardly ever hear about the multiple conviction of the Reagan Administration anymore. Or the profits the Bush family made from the Savings and Load scandal. It is in the past, and there are more interesting things to talk about. Like President Bush's association with the Baptist hate mongers.
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HR1266 Re:I don't care / I do careYou are absolutely right.
This all started when the government decided to take away due process of law when dealing with what they claim to be terrorism cases. What this means is that they can do things without filing any charges or reasons, or showing any evidence. This is calles secret evidence, and has been used to detain nearly 30 Muslims -- all without any evidence, charges or any due process of law. This is unconstitutional, but the joint terrorism task force has given themself "above the law" status, so they act with free raine against the people of the United States.
What you can do?
Call you congressional representative and insist that he/she support HR1266, The Secret Evidence Repeal Act of 2001. This Act is aimed to re-instate due process of law as promised in our US Constitution. We can not allow our constitution to be hyjacked by special interest groups (ADL) who care more about foreign governments that our own people and our own nation.
Go to http://www.politics.yahoo.com and enter your zip code to find your Rep. Also check out CAIR -- they have good info on this issue.