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Using Technology to Protect Anonymous Sources?

A not-so Anonymous Anonymous Coward asks: "The New York Times has a story describing how newspapers are looking for new ways to hide the identities of anonymous sources from prosecutors. This seems like a something the Slashdot crowd might know something about. How can a newspaper setup an IT system that completely hides every trace (including emails, phone calls notes, logs and so forth) of an anonymous source's identity?"

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  1. VPM by warlock71 · · Score: 1

    Simple solution...very powerful magnets!

    1. Re:VPM by sirkarmabad · · Score: 0

      me doggie eat uber powerful magnets

    2. Re:VPM by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      In fact, you can find some really powerful magnets right in your hard drive to erase data...oh, wait.

  2. Regarding Portable HDs by BobPaul · · Score: 1

    For Time, the purpose of giving portable hard drives to reporters would be to transfer to the reporter ownership - and responsibility - for notes. That would reduce the onus on the company, leaving the reporter to decide how far to go with a personal act of civil disobedience. Some other publications also see the wisdom in this approach.

    If portable HDs are used, it might not be a bad idea to encrypt them with something like TrueCrypt. A reported could even include a Hidden volume and tell the government/whoever that they haven't gotten around to actually using that particular drive yet.

    1. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Raistlin77 · · Score: 1

      Like they would believe that one... "Yeah, I just carry it because I am supposed to, but I really haven't used it." Come on. If they are interested enough to look at the blank volume, they WILL find the hidden one.

    2. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      Good luck. Take a peak at the technology...

      It's not called a Hidden Volume because it can be found with a Statistical Attack. It's called a hidden volume because it's HIDDEN ;)

    3. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by bheer · · Score: 1

      > Use a CODENAME

      The problem with that: subpeonas. And Contempt-of-Court/Obstruction of Justice sentences.

    4. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by jasongetsdown · · Score: 1
      tell the government/whoever that they haven't gotten around to actually using that particular drive yet

      Its one thing to refuse to divulge the information. Its quite another to purjure yourself by denying its existance.

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    5. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      Then don't write the person's identity in anything, it's not that hard people. Keep any information about the person strictly oral, don't write it down, email it, or save it.

      Umm, because the idea is to keep their identity safe?

      If you use a code name and then DON'T secure your notes, it is still pretty trivial to determine who a person is, especially if you kept detailed notes.

    6. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by __aakqkc2748 · · Score: 1

      Does not TrueCrypt require MSWindows? Not a good security move there! And do you think that the NSA, or the FBI, can't get into it? Or that they havn't built a back door into the software? As it's proprietary software you may never know these things. Happy computing, Kurt

    7. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by blkwolf · · Score: 1

      Or maybe something like this:
      Cipher Shield Secured External HDD
      http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/drives/68b7/

      Not sure how well it works or how secure it is, but been thinking of checking one out myself.

    8. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by eis271828 · · Score: 1

      This brings up problems in combating slander/libel charges. You have to have the ability to prove what you say. This would seem to especially apply to stories where anonymous sources are needed - chances are that someone's going to be upset about the information getting out.

    9. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by __aakqkc2748 · · Score: 1

      My error, it is open source. But my other concerns will , if I am not mistaken, still apply. Kurt

    10. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 1
      But what country would you store the info in where

      1) The US couldn't touch it
      2) Said country wouldn't touch it, if it could provide them csome advanatges?

      Even Swiss Bank accounts are untracable anymore.When Space tourism kicks off someone should think about lauching a Sat to create a data haven somewhere in orbit.

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    11. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by bheer · · Score: 1

      If I were a DA, I'd ask for logs of visitors to the webmail server. From the ISP running the webmail server and their upstream providers. (IIRC there was a raid on Democracy Underground recently, coordinated across Europe, so it's not like it couldn't happen.)

      If you really wanted to do this, the best places would be some East European countries which don't have treaties with the US/EU and are just free enough to not mind your internet shenanigans _and_ relatively technologically underpowered in the law-enforcement department.

    12. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      Now how can they get the person's identity from your detailed notes, if you don't have any damn notes?

      HAHA! Yeah, you're going to write an article about a government conspiracy or whatever based on informatino you've collected over the last 10 years involving 30 anonymous contacts without taking any notes?

      Even if you keep track of all of your anonymous contacts in your head and use code names when you do take notes, you will have to take nodes and you probably will put down some information that is specific to that contact. Eventually there will probably be enough information in your notes to figure out enough to start asking around until your contact is discovered.

      You will have to write some things down and you should secure what you write down.
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    13. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by vought · · Score: 1
      Well, Journalists are supposed to be protected from such things to protect anonymous sources

      No. Shield laws are a state's rights issue. There is no Federal shield law. In Federal investigations, Federal Law takes precedence - take California's recently neutered medical marijuana law as an example.

      but since I just googled and found where some reporters have been jailed for refusing to tell who a source was, I guess that went out the window... and so now I see the problem.

      A reporter (Judith Miller of the New York Times) has been jailed for refusing to name the source of the information she may have dissemenated regarding a covert agent in the United States' Intelligence community.

      (Cue the hordes of Freepers who will insist said agent was not under cover because she wasn't sneaking around Instanbul with a Walther PPK in her bra.)

    14. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Phillup · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How 'bout a country that had 13 of it's citizens drive planes into two of our office buildings?

      That one seems to be beyond our reach...

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    15. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Use a Palm PDA to keep your notes, dedicate one to the sensitive project. They're cheap, and a good journo should know how to hide the expense. Keep the right-size paperclip handy for the total reset at need.

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    16. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      true, but if notes are necessary, than they shouldn't be detailed. instead of "the contact (initials j.k.s) said while working night shift on 3/11 he said hi to joe bob before seeing joe bob shred docuemtns", write "codename 3/11 joe bob shreded documents"

      But we are off track, my original point was don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. As pointed out by another person in this thread, the courts no longer accept anonymous sources as being legal in all cases, and so I suggested an alternative using some technology that would allow for notes.

      -- posting as AC to avoid too many posts in one thread :)

    17. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Tanktalus · · Score: 1

      It's not perjury until you say it under oath. Until then, it's merely obstruction of justice. Very different crimes.

    18. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by arminw · · Score: 1

      .... it might not be a bad idea to encrypt them .....

      Of course and then tell them you forgot the password. No way to prove you did not forget it. With a good encryption that could be fairly bullet proof. Tell them to take the HD to the NSA to see if they can decrypt it.

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    19. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....And do you think that the NSA, or the FBI, can't get into it?....

      Surely there must be encryptions that the government cannot decode in any reasonable time. Apple says that if a user forgets the "filevault" password on OSX, the data is lost forever. I wonder if that is really true. Can someone be held in contempt of court for being forgetful?

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    20. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the key is 64 bits, which is not exactly secure. The actual crypto algorithm is unspecified too, so who knows what kind of back doors are in there. I sure wouldn't trust it.

    21. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by jonwil · · Score: 1

      What I want to see is a setup where you have 2 areas on the disk.
      One is the real data.
      The other is some "dummy" data that is innocuous.

      When you type in the regular password, you get to the real data.
      When you type in the fake password, you get to the dummy data and at the same time, the real data is silently erased.

    22. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sealand,
      of course, the US would have little difficulty invading it if they so desired, but to do so they'd be operating in British waters.

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    23. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 -y create decrypted /dev/mapper/encrypted-hd

      mount /dev/mapper/decrypted /mnt/drive

    24. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It says: "System Requirements: Win98SE/2000/ME/XP, Mac OS 9.1 or greater"

      So, thanks, but I'll keep looking for a linux-compatible solution.

    25. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by kaligraphic · · Score: 1

      They'd send it off to a lab and pass the costs on to the reporter. Flash memory does have a bit of "memory" so to speak, so while getting the information may be nontrivial, it's far from impossible.

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    26. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I presume you know nothing about this field, otherwise you would know that several disk images are taken of any evidence before it is examined. You would not be allowed near them, and certainly not invited to key anything into a seized computer.

      Perhaps your ideas would be of more use if you learned something about the field first?

    27. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by wot.narg · · Score: 0

      There are types of strong encryption that will take statistically millions of years for the government to brute force with a badass supercomputer.

      If the encryption is strong enough, good luck the the Feds.

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    28. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess. Is that why it's a criminal offence in the UK to fail to disclose a key to encrypted data when required to do so?

      Why yes!, So it is. Try again?

    29. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course that after creating your device:

      pvcreate /dev/hdb1 ...

      vgcreate encrypted /dev/hdb1

      TotPE=`perl -e 'print STDOUT (split(/:/,`vgdisplay -c encrypted`))[13]'`

      lvcreate -l $TotPE -n hd encryped

      cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 -y create decrypted /dev/mapper/encrypted-hd

      mke2fs -t ext3 /dev/mapper/decrypted

    30. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Palm PDAs. The epitome of security.

    31. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Petrushka · · Score: 2, Informative

      How 'bout a country that had 13 of it's citizens drive planes into two of our office buildings?

      That one seems to be beyond our reach...

      I take it you mean Saudi Arabia? You know, the one that has US military bases plastered all over it?

    32. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Grant_Watson · · Score: 1

      Flash memory does have a bit of "memory" so to speak....

      I think Palms by default use RAM for that sort of thing.

    33. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Danga · · Score: 1

      There most certainly are encryptions that can't be decoded in reasonable time. One way is to encrypt using LONG passwords like 60+ characters. Make sure it is pretty random as well. How do you remember such a long password? I have considered a combination of old phone numbers, home addresses, peoples birthdays, pets names, and instead of using symbols for numbers just spell them out randomly. I would think that would generate a pretty damn secure password for the encryption.

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    34. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try StegFS - http://www.mcdonald.org.uk/StegFS

      From the FAQ:

      Why should I use StegFS?

      StegFS encrypts files stored in its hidden levels. In this it performs the same purpose as a cryptographic file system such as CFS, TCFS, etc. However, StegFS also offers steganography. Allows you to use several levels of hidden files. If someone demands that you give them your keys, you can reveal the contents of some levels whilst plausibly denying that any further levels are used. An attacker cannot identify the existence of any further levels, even if they look at the disk directly.

    35. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by delong · · Score: 1

      Well, Journalists are supposed to be protected from such things to protect anonymous source

      No they aren't. Some states have "shield laws", but there is no reporters' privilege to withhold sources. So sayeth the US Supreme Court, repeatedly. Reporters are not immune from generally applicable laws, period.

      This whole "story" is an exercise in stupidity. Reporters don't have the privilege to withhold pertinent information from a criminal investigation, and asking how they can do so is asking how they can break the law. Lawyers and doctors are not so privileged as to be able to withhold their privileged client information, and journalists aren't qualified to so much as shine their shoes.

    36. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Frol · · Score: 1

      Or maybe he was refering to Arab country. His world probably has only a handfull of countries, USA, Europe, Arab...

      The scary thing is he was modded "3, interesting"...

    37. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      Yup ... I think that was the scary bit. Oh yes.

      Well, I'm scared, anyway.

    38. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      I think duress passwords in general are a good idea. {Even 15 years ago there were burglar alarm systems which implemented such a feature: enter the last digit wrong by one, and the alarm appears to disarm correctly but the silent alert still triggers. Why don't banks do something similar with HITW cards -- deliberately mis-state your PIN to the man with the knife and he gets a message that your withdrawal limit was exceeded, his photograph taken and the account frozen? This would make chip and PIN payment a bit less insecure too.}

      I'd really like with a server which gives crackers a busybox environment in a chroot if they try to login as root. And a HDD with two encrypted file systems wouldn't be too different. There might need to be two levels of duress code: one just to mount the innocuous file system {for demonstration}, and one to mount the innocuous file system and start trashing the real one {for real}. There exist crypto systems that are wildly intolerant of errors {muck up one character and the whole of the rest of the message is garbled}; using one such would help to maximise the damage from even a partial overwrite. {For times when the integrity of the data is less important than the need to stop other people from accessing it.}

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    39. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      /me idly whistles the theme from Brazil.

    40. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Intron · · Score: 1

      1) Judith Miller didn't "disseminate" the name, Novak did. Why is Miller the one in jail?

      2) How do you know what's in Valerie Plame's bra?

      3) The US Constitution has this "Free Press" thingy. Maybe you didn't notice.

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    41. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by legirons · · Score: 1

      "How 'bout a country that had 13 of it's citizens drive planes into two of our office buildings?"

      How about a country that had 2 of its citizens drop bombs into our television stations and newspaper offices?

      terrorist (n) Somebody with a bomb, but without an airforce

    42. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by Bishop · · Score: 1

      a webmail for reporters to use only for anonymous sources

      It probably would not work. Look up the history of anon.penet.fi. It was a very good anonymous email service in Finland. The service was shutdown a number of years ago when the opperators determined that they could not legally protect the annonimity of the users. The service was also heavily abused.

    43. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by The+Tyrant · · Score: 1

      No, they wouldnt, it is more than two miles offshore and thus in international waters, however, they would be attacking british citizens, which would not be taken lightly.

      You have amazing timing however, I've just (about half an hour ago) come home from a holiday in essex, and sealand is visible from where I was. Its not the kinda place which gets mentioned very often.

    44. Re:Regarding Portable HDs by The+Tyrant · · Score: 1

      D'oh!, no, scub what I said about the distance, but... yeah, go read the fine article instead hehe.

  3. Simple... by crc32 · · Score: 1

    Place the servers offshore.

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    1. Re:Simple... by sosume · · Score: 1

      And which ISP would you use to connect the office to the offshore location..?

    2. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Simple... by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 1

      I live in the Cayman Islands, but the head office is in NYC. We have a leased line connecting us, but all confidential data is on servers here in Cayman.

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    4. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's not quite as confidential as you think...

    5. Re:Simple... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more of this (would work for email and document distribution):

      Journalist gives out public PGP key to the world at large on their newspaper (or whatever) webpage, as well as information on using freenet and a particular "frost" group to send messages in.

      Whistleblower gets public key and encrypts their comment/document/evidence with it, and uploads it to freenet.

      Journalist checks freenet and downloads messages addressed to him in a certain group (ala Frost). Uses PGP to decrypt the message. Replies to the sender could also be PGP'd and reposted back to freenet if required.

      Absolutely untraceable. The only downside is that Freenet is a bit cludgy by modern standards - but for files and documents, it's not too bad.

      N.

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      "Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
  4. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    just refer to them as Anonymous Cowards and leave it at that?

    1. Re:how about... by Pusene · · Score: 1

      Much easier to encode all video and audio using DRM, and SUE THE BASTARDS when they try to circumvent it.

      For added protection create a region system, where you only allow the content to be played in your buildings.

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    2. Re:how about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not illegal for them to circumvent the encoding for invetigative purposes.

      From the DMCA:
      "Exception for Law Enforcement and Intelligence Activities. The DMCA permits circumvention for any lawfully authorized investigative, protective, or intelligence activity by or at the direction of a federal, state, or local law enforcement agency, or of an intelligence agency of the United States. "

    3. Re:how about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Much easier to encode all video and audio using DRM, and SUE THE BASTARDS when they try to circumvent it."

              I am really upset at you.

      Now just who is going to pay to clean the pants I just peed in laughing my ass off?

  5. The Best Thing by danheskett · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The best thing is to ditch anonymous sources.

    1. Re:The Best Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The best thing is to ditch anonymous sources.

      Ever heard of Watergate?

    2. Re:The Best Thing by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > The best thing is to ditch anonymous sources.

      And the next-best thing is to ditch the technology.

      "The more they over think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
      - Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott, Star Trek III

    3. Re:The Best Thing by Detritus · · Score: 1

      The problem is that most corporations and government agencies have policies that say only certain people are authorized to talk to the press, usually top-level executives and the public relations office. Anyone else is likely to be fired if they are identified as a source of information.

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    4. Re:The Best Thing by TheViffer · · Score: 1

      Why? They are probably just as accurate as other sources.

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    5. Re:The Best Thing by aiken_d · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because the country would be a lot better off if things like Watergate never came to light. The whole problem here is that irksome press that insists on *reporting* that our elected officials are crooks and liars. Make those inside sources identify themselves publicly, and stop the truth in its tracks!

      FWIW, I personally think that someone should go to jail for the Plame incident. However, using that once incident to justify ditching anonymous sources in general is absolutely crazy.

      Cheers
      -b

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    6. Re:The Best Thing by Siergen · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiousity, can you name one fact revealed by anonymous sources that was not also revealed by the swrn testimony during the open hearings in Congress? The movie version of Watergate kind of ignores those nationally televised hearings in favor of a shadowy figure in a parking garage, but most of the information came out of the hearings...

    7. Re:The Best Thing by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      The same press Dan Rather was a member of?

      I agree with you, but it works both ways.

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    8. Re:The Best Thing by RailGunner · · Score: 1
      FWIW, I personally think that someone should go to jail for the Plame incident. However, using that once incident to justify ditching anonymous sources in general is absolutely crazy.

      See the link in my sig - it's a transcript, where Joe Wilson admits that Plame was not covert when the story broke. Therefore, no crime was committed, therefore, jailed reporter is just being an idiot by not coughing up the source.

    9. Re:The Best Thing by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      Anonymous sources are certainly useful for exposing corruption cases and other scandals, but they do have a credibility problem. Keeping a source anonymous is always possible: the reporter could talk to someone between payphones or by meeting at a park or some method where a name would never be revealed. Most reporters would probably not want to use a totally anonymous source without having some way of verifying the source's info independently. Any crank can call up a newspaper and claim they have some dirt on an elected official, so the reporter would need some basic info to at least see if the source is credible. This, in my opinion, is the greatest obstacle to using anon. sources.

    10. Re:The Best Thing by XanC · · Score: 1
      jailed reporter is just being an idiot by not coughing up the source.

      She's covering up _something else_, we just don't know what yet.

    11. Re:The Best Thing by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      If they are reporting a crime that the organizaiton is committing then they should be protected by whistleblower laws right? If they're leaking information about a new product, internal business practices, etc. and violating company policy, policy allowed by the shareholders, then they should be fired for that type of activity.

      Furthermore, I'd wonder about someone whose "pure motives" caused them to leak info to the press about the evil organization they work for only to keep working for said evil organization (I guess it could get better ??).

      Are anonymous sources trustworthy? Do you know their biases? Their intentions? If you know the source you can judge the quality of the information. If you don't know the source... well the information should be given the equivalent of Score: 0... don't bother paying any attention to it unless it's validated by some other verifiable facts.

    12. Re:The Best Thing by TheViffer · · Score: 1

      How about when people die?

      Newsweek Apologizes
      Inaccurate Report on Koran Led to Riots

      Spokesman Bryan Whitman called Newsweek's report "irresponsible" and "demonstrably false," saying the magazine "hid behind anonymous sources which by their own admission do not withstand scrutiny.

      If they want totally anonymous sources, then the publications should take complete responsibility for misinformation published. That includes being liable and sueable.

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    13. Re:The Best Thing by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Thats why you don't present information based on one anonymous source- you want to verify it with other sources. More to the point, an anonymous source doesn't necessarily mean the reporter doesn't know his identity, but that the source does not wish to be identified to the public, for a variety of reasons.

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    14. Re:The Best Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The public hearings were only possible once the issue was in the spot light, which would not have been possible without the anonymous source.

      If you read the history of Deep Throat, he didnt so much tell them things, as point them in directions. Without Deep-throat, there would have been no public hearings andit all would have gone away.

    15. Re:The Best Thing by pcidevel · · Score: 1

      See the link in my sig - it's a transcript, where Joe Wilson admits that Plame was not covert when the story broke. Therefore, no crime was committed, therefore, jailed reporter is just being an idiot by not coughing up the source.

      That is a total fabrication. Joe Wilson admits that Plame was not covert AFTER the story was broke.. AFTER, as in leaking her name guaranteed that she was no longer covert. Wilson is not a liberty to discuss her covert status before the article broke..

      You are being intellectualy dishonest to the extreme to continue to try to peddle your lie, Wilson has clarified his statement many times.

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    16. Re:The Best Thing by danheskett · · Score: 1

      The whole problem here is that irksome press that insists on *reporting* that our elected officials are crooks and liars. Make those inside sources identify themselves publicly, and stop the truth in its tracks!
      The press uses anonymous sources non-stop for everything when there is no legitimate reason. For one, they are lazy. For two, they know they are being used and they don't care. They want access. It's all about access. If you have a bonafide case where a person is afraid for his/her safety, fine. Funny you should mention Watergate. Felt was a sore loser - a passed over paper pusher pissed at Nixon. Was Nixon a crook? Absolutely. The fact is though that Felt should have come forward out of conscience as soon as something fishy was going on. The press enables non-transparent government, internal backstabbing, and petty back and forth that is *harmful* to the country. Politicans need to be kept lawful and honest; that's an honest role of the media. The pursuit of that goal should not corrupt them.

    17. Re:The Best Thing by Detritus · · Score: 1
      If they are reporting a crime that the organizaiton is committing then they should be protected by whistleblower laws right?

      If you believe that whistle-blower laws are effective, you may be interested in purchasing this fine structure as an investment for your future.

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    18. Re:The Best Thing by bigwavejas · · Score: 1

      It's true that Deep Throat was initially an anonymous source, but later on Nixon and others had strong suspicions it was Woodward. Still they could do absolutely nothing about it, except sit and wonder if he'd reveal everything. For a great read checkout http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050704&s=go ldberg

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    19. Re:The Best Thing by Jety · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm sure whistleblower laws will work wonders against an angered corperation, government, or criminal organization....

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    20. Re:The Best Thing by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      n anonymous source doesn't necessarily mean the reporter doesn't know his identity, but that the source does not wish to be identified to the public, for a variety of reasons.

      I understand that, but I don't trust the news media. They have political biases (left or right or other leaning), they lie to protect their jobs (that guy for the New York Times who made up 1 or 2 years of stories), they're primary objective is to write fantastic stories that sell advertisements. I want to know what the source of the information is so that I can judge for myself if it is worth believing. If the information is validated by other verifiable information then the source becomes less important, but alone, an anonymous source's information should not be reported.

    21. Re:The Best Thing by RailGunner · · Score: 1
      Here's the exact quote from Joe Wilson:

      WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.

      Therefore, this is not a total fabrication, it's a failure on your part to accept the truth.

    22. Re:The Best Thing by pcidevel · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Here's the exact quote from Joe Wilson:

      WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.

      Therefore, this is not a total fabrication, it's a failure on your part to accept the truth.


      EXACTLY, Now.. turn off your partisan blinders and read what he said (and later clarified several times):

      WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.

      Again, Wilson has clarified this statement MANY times.. he is saying, that after Novak's story went to print that she was no longer a clandestine agent. Now, given the quote you presented, you could make the case that he was commenting on her status before the article, so we are at an apparent stalemate..

      Except you completely left off the next question:

      BLITZER: But she hadn't been a clandestine officer for some time before that?

      WILSON: That's not anything that I can talk about.


      What's that? LOOKY THERE!! HE DID NOT COMMENT ON HER STATUS BEFORE NOVAK'S ARTICLE WAS RELEASED. Ohh, isn't that too bad? You're a total fucking liar..

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      I thought someone said there was going to be free beer!

    23. Re:The Best Thing by Auckerman · · Score: 1

      "Ever heard of Watergate?"

      Watergate is exactly the kind of thing anonymous sources are for. Not who is married to who, or what the administration thinks of this or that. It is my view that a clear majority of anonymous sources are used ONLY because the journalist wants to maintain a relationship with those in power and those in power don't want to fess up. The cycle needs to be broken.

      If the some newspaper wants me to take anonymous sources seriously, they better start using them in a way that reflects why they are kept anonymous.

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      Burn Hollywood Burn
    24. Re:The Best Thing by RailGunner · · Score: 1
      Oh look, the Washington Times reported that everybody knew who Valerie Plame was and who she worked for, and wasn't covert. Damn.

      WILSON: That's not anything that I can talk about.

      Because he knew he just blew it by admitting his wife wasn't covert, and if he said anything more, he'd show he's nothing more than a partisan hack who only got sent to Niger by his wife so she could get rid if him for a few days.

      (And here I will note that unlike yourself, I have not descended into name calling or profanity.)

    25. Re:The Best Thing by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry you feel so negative about the profession, but you should know that there are journalists out there who actually care about the work more than they care about advertising policies or political biases. A couple people making up stories or sources doesn't mean that the entire profession is ridden with termites.

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      Condemnant quod non intellegunt.
    26. Re:The Best Thing by pcidevel · · Score: 1

      So now that you've been proven to be a total liar, you change your story to something else that has been proven to be complete nonsense. Nice try..

      (And here I will note that unlike yourself, I have not descended into name calling or profanity.)

      Ohh NOOOOEEEESSS!!!1! I didn't hurt your poor little lying feelings did I? I hope I can sleep tonight!!

      --

      I thought someone said there was going to be free beer!

    27. Re:The Best Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you're in serious denial. There might be winning arguments on your side - but this is not one of them. I suggest you let it go.

    28. Re:The Best Thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      From your journal afew days ago: "It's often been said that one of the hallmarks of maturity is being able to admit when you're wrong."

      Go on, do the right thing. Wilson did not admit that his wife was not covert - you and the right-wing smear machine just mis-interpreted the emphasis in that sentence. It's an understandable mistake. Go on, admit it - it was just a simple mistake.

    29. Re:The Best Thing by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      If no crime was committed, wouldn't that be all the more reason the reporter should protect their source? In other words, If there wasn't a crime, then why make them testify? Respectfully speaking, I think you have it backwards.

    30. Re:The Best Thing by GlassHeart · · Score: 1
      Joe Wilson admits that Plame was not covert when the story broke. Therefore, no crime was committed, therefore, jailed reporter is just being an idiot by not coughing up the source.

      If there was clearly no crime committed, why is there an ongoing Justice Department investigation serious enough that John Ashcroft had to recuse himself from it? Why were Air Force One phone records subpoenaed? Either the Bush government likes to waste taxpayer money, or they are taking the matter pretty seriously, don't you think?

    31. Re:The Best Thing by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I'm not an expert on this, but would there have been any Congressional hearings in the first place, without Deep Throat?

    32. Re:The Best Thing by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Hell, why not just ditch the reporters too?
      White House press releases should all the news any good citizen needs.

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    33. Re:The Best Thing by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      There are anonymous sources giving leads to intelligent reporters, and then there are anonymous sources giving complete stories to asshat reporters too lazy to do any research.

      Deep Throat was the former. Nixon and company, didn't get busted because Deep Throat was quoted in the paper. They got busted because Woodward and Bernstein did their homework. Deep Throat was a lucky break, not a ghostwriter.

      Then there is the modern anonymous source. You know the type. The reporter makes a serious allegation backed up by nothing more than "an anonymous source said...". As in "anonymous sources say Bush killed bunny rabbits in college," or "anonymous sources confirm Kerry freebased cocaine while on the campaign trail."

      Without independent verification of the information, how the hell do you know that an anonymous source isn't just a figment of the reporter's imagination? A reporter that has to hide behind an anonymous source is either lazy, gullible, or lying.

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      Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
    34. Re:The Best Thing by Tanktalus · · Score: 1

      And there are cops out there who aren't crooked. And there are Catholic priests who don't molest boys. And there are politicians who actually genuinely believe they are doing the best they can for the people they serve. And there are lawyers who aren't out to gouge their clients to further their careers.

      I would even wager that these are all the majority of the members of each of these groups - most journalists actually care more about reporting the truth than slanting it, more cops are more worried about truth and justice than about finding underhanded ways to line their pockets, or even finding the next donut shop to fill their ever-growing bellies, more priests who care about the souls entrusted to their care and live up to their vows of celibacy, etc.

      It's just that we don't hear about the normal cases. And that colours our perceptions of each group. They just aren't newsworthy. Which is kind of ironic in this thread - the journalists only report on bad journalists, so that's all we hear about, that's all that is brought to our attention, so that's all we know about.

      It's sorta like hearing about your best friend's significant other: if all they tell you about their SO is what an arse he is or nag she is or whatever, that's all you know. They probably don't tell you about the times where they make up and become happy with each other again, and then it surprises the heck out of you when they get engaged... you just don't hear about it.

    35. Re:The Best Thing by qkslvrwolf · · Score: 1

      I hate to point this out, but Deep Throat was woodward's name for Mark Felt. And they could do nothing because shit had already hit the fan. If they'd known before shit hit the fan, then nixon would never have lost the presidency. And if it had been 2005, Nixon would have just told the press to shut up and color, and they would've, and the people of the United States would get back to asking him to reduce their gas prices.

      --
      Or have you only comfort...that stealthy thing that enters the house and guest then becomes host, then master - KG
    36. Re:The Best Thing by ptbarnett · · Score: 1
      So now that you've been proven to be a total liar, you change your story to something else that has been proven to be complete nonsense. Nice try..

      No, you are the one that tried and failed, Anonymous Cowards not withstanding.

      Going back to the original quote:

      WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.

      Your interpretation:

      WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer (after) Bob Novak blew her identity.

      That's a possible interpretation. But, the alternate interpretation (without the implied "after") is not a fabrication, either.

      You claim that Wilson clarified the statement, in a way that supports your interpretation. But, you haven't offered any of them, except this:

      BLITZER: But she hadn't been a clandestine officer for some time before that?

      WILSON: That's not anything that I can talk about.

      This is a classic non-answer. It's the equivalent of "I can neither confirm or deny that". You can assume what you want, but you it's your assumption, rather than anything that Wilson said.

      Your interpretation is that Novak's article was the "turning point". But, an alternative explanation is consistent with the opposite view: at some point in the past, the person in question "hung up their spurs" and was no longer a covert agent. But Wilson can't say that, for obvious reasons.

      You claim that a viewpoint different than yours is "partisan". But, your insistence makes you partisan, as well.

      I can see that both interpretations are potentially correct. But, I can also see that Wilson was choosing his words very carefully -- either because he didn't want to violate the law or because he didn't want to undermine his own position.

      Don't forget that he has his own axe to grind.

    37. Re:The Best Thing by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      Woodward was the guy writing the stories. His name was published on them. He wasn't Deep Throat. Mark Felt was Deep Throat.

    38. Re:The Best Thing by EccentricAnomaly · · Score: 1

      The best thing is to ditch anonymous sources.

      Amen! Until reporters can use anonymous sources responsibly, I say they have no right to a shield law. You have people like Rove saying bad things about opponents family anonymously not because he fears reprisals but because if such mud is attributed to an anonymous party insider it has more credibility than if it is attributed to Rove directly.

      Let the DrunkenBatmans of the world have shield laws for their obsessive no-stone-unturned investigations , not the rumor mongering lazy reporters typical of most of the press.

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      There are 10 types of people in this world, those who can count in binary and those who can't.
    39. Re:The Best Thing by tyler_larson · · Score: 1
      The best thing is to ditch anonymous sources.

      There is some truth behind this. In order for a source to be truly anonymous, it has to be unknown even to the news media. But in removing the source from the content, you remove the credibility as well. There is no good solution because by solving one problem, you would necessarily create another.

      I realise that with enough indirection, you can create solutions that half-solve both problems, but there is no perfect answer. Either the source is known, or the information is "based on an anonymous tip."

      --
      "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea...."
      RFC 1925
    40. Re:The Best Thing by Stalyn · · Score: 1

      Either you completely trust your government or somewhat trust anonymous sources. I think the latter is more acceptable.

      --
      The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
    41. Re:The Best Thing by dynamo · · Score: 1

      So true, so true..

    42. Re:The Best Thing by bigwavejas · · Score: 1

      you're entirely correct, sorry I had a brainfreeze.

      --
      "Simplify, simplify, simplify!" Thoreau
    43. Re:The Best Thing by kubrick · · Score: 1

      Woodward, Bernstein and Bradlee knew who Deep Throat was though. He wasn't anonymous to them.

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      deus does not exist but if he does
    44. Re:The Best Thing by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Therefore, no crime was committed

      If you pass any classified information to someone not authorized to view it, you've committed a crime. Doesn't matter if it's spoken, written, peed into the snow or acted out in charades.

      The only question should be was classified material passed to the media. Whether or not the person was actively covert or not is immaterial. If the information was classified, a crime was committed. Even if the information was publicly known, on the headlines of every major newspaper in the country, if a document with a classification stamp was passed, a crime was committed.

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      Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
      Edward Everett (1794 - 1865)
    45. Re:The Best Thing by kubrick · · Score: 1

      Eh, sorry, missed the context of "anonymous to prosecutors". This does raise the issue of anon remailers etc. -- if the source provides enough corroborating evidence but doesn't want their identity known to anyone (even the reporters), there are likely still some news sources out there who would take the bait.

      If the reporters do know the identity of the source, it doesn't matter how good the technology is, the courts aren't likely to find that protecting that privacy is in the public interest if the crimes that have been committed warrant further investigation (especially if the communication with reporters is itself the crime). So the reporters will still be facing jail -- it's either that or publish material the sources aren't willing to put their names to.

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      deus does not exist but if he does
    46. Re:The Best Thing by OreoCookie · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. The only reason Mark Felt stayed anonymous was to protect his job. If telling something you know about the government isn't more important to you than keeping your job then you should keep your mouth shut. He could have saved the country a lot of pain by coming forward like a man.

    47. Re:The Best Thing by danheskett · · Score: 1

      Yes, they do work very well. They are strongly enforced and effective. Every day people win retaliation lawsuits against government agencies and corporations.

    48. Re:The Best Thing by danheskett · · Score: 1

      Investigation doesn't mean guilt, or that it was even a crime. Grand juries are high-powered investigation tools with wide latitude to subpeoena and seek the truth. The test will be to see what indictiments - if any - are handed down from the Grand Jury.

    49. Re:The Best Thing by phlinn · · Score: 1

      There's a further problemt that the "normal" members of the group actively protect the deviants most of the time. They are often far more concerened with protecting the prestige and benefits of their occupation than with doing something about the ones that give it a bad name. Cops don't usually go after other cops for roughing up a suspect unless forced. Priests got reassigned instead of punished for molesting altar boys, and the biship doing the coverup got promoted. Good politicians fight tooth and nail against the public oversight that could help keep bad politicians in check, and try to protect members of their party regardless of circumstances. Etc...

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      "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny! Free men pull in all sorts of directions" -- Havelock Vetinari
    50. Re:The Best Thing by GlassHeart · · Score: 1
      Investigation doesn't mean guilt, or that it was even a crime.

      I didn't imply either of that. I was responding to a categorical statement "no crime was committed" by citing a long and ongoing investigation as proof that some very serious people do think that a crime may have been committed. As I put it another way, if it was so clear that no crime was committed, then the Bush government is wasting a lot of taxpayer money investigating it.

  6. me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes me?

  7. A few options. by Knight+Thrasher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Places like Stealth Surfer ( http://stealthsurfer.biz/anonymous_email.html ) offer off-shore anonymous and encrypted email addresses, free of cost. Usage of free and public computers, such as public librarys and even Wifi hotspots, can help cover tracks. But sometimes it all depends on how determined someone is to invade your network. The most secure computer is one not connected to the internet - that's why I recommend AOL Dialup! You'll never be exposed to the internet again!

  8. Simple: by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1

    Don't use IT.

  9. In... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia prosecutors hide YOU!

  10. diy by drewfuss · · Score: 1

    I suggest that reporters: 1) use their own laptops. 2) use their own email addresses with their own domain. 3) host their domain and email on a server that they own or with a company that will not turn over their records and/or not be subject to US law. 3) always access their email accounts over encrypted connections. On the other end, the source can make himself anonymous. I would suggest reporters encourage their sources to use a free email service like yahoo and always access the emails service using multiple web proxy servers, and publicly accessible connections. Obviously they would need to establish some code to identify the authenticity of the source to the reporter.

    1. Re:diy by Pyrowolf · · Score: 1

      Uh, I think that's one two many threes. Regardless, it sounds like it would be a bit convoluted and confusing, with the exception of somewhat tech-savvy sources. The hard part would be striking a balance between secure and overly complex.

    2. Re:diy by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Reporters could encourage anonymous whistleblowers to use technologies like Tor. They might even set up a web form on their domain that only accepts Tor connections.

      Of course, the main goal is to protect the whistleblower's anonymity, but another goal is to make the whistleblower confident that he will remain anonymous. Otherwise he won't blow his whistle. Unless he understands how these technologies work, he won't. Face to face (or face to shadow) communication seems preferable.

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      After all, I am strangely colored.
    3. Re:diy by alphaFlight · · Score: 1

      You forgot one important issue... so long as the reporter is in this country or otherwise subject to a court's jurisdiction the information would have to be released upon a court order. It doesn't matter how secure the data is or how far from the court's jurisdiction the server is located, the issue is what the reporter knows and what s/he is not telling the court when ordered to do so. The reporter in the rove/plame matter did not have anything encrypted. She is in jail for refusing to turn over her notes. Telling the judge oh sure you can have my notes but I'm not going to tell you the password would result in exactly the same punishment.

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      -= alphaFlight =-
    4. Re:diy by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....but I'm not going to tell you the password....

      What if the person "forgot" the password? People do honestly forget passwords all the time. How could a court determine whether the person REALLY forgot it or is lying? Maybe put him/her in jail to help them remember?

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      All theory is gray
  11. Easy...set up nym accounts.. by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Should be easy. Set up an email address as a 'nym' account...that bounces about 4-5 times around the world through various mix of nym servers and mixmaster ones...encrypted each leg of the way individually to each server..headers stripped each time.

    That would pretty much set things up virtually untraceable.

    If they really wanted to get paranoid about it...the end leg could go through a mail2news server, and post responses anonymously, PGP encrypted to USENET groups set up just for this.

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    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    1. Re:Easy...set up nym accounts.. by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      I can't possibly see how a bunch of talking rats can help the press.

      Actually, I think your thoughts on the USENET groups are the best so far.

      --
      Saying Android is a family of phones is akin to saying Linux is a family of PCs.
    2. Re:Easy...set up nym accounts.. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      " I can't possibly see how a bunch of talking rats can help the press."

      Where did you get talking rats out of my post?

      Here's a definition of sorts , and from the wikipedia about Anonymous Remailers ('nym servers')

      Hope this helps....neat stuff, tho I've not played with it in a long while...

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    3. Re:Easy...set up nym accounts.. by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that was supposed to be the funny part... ripped off from Rats of NIMH. Don't worry, I won't quit my day job :)

      Thanks for the link though, I'll go check it out.

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      Saying Android is a family of phones is akin to saying Linux is a family of PCs.
    4. Re:Easy...set up nym accounts.. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      "Rats of Nym" really good movie that I can remember. Although I couldn't have been more than 10-12 when I last saw it 20+ years ago.

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      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    5. Re:Easy...set up nym accounts.. by Annirak · · Score: 1

      This solution depends on the newspaper company, and how much you trust them. There are still logs to deal with.

    6. Re:Easy...set up nym accounts.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I agree, it *should* be easy, but it isn't.

      We're talking about journalists and informants (among others) who need a solution that "just works", not one that requires their friendly neighborhood geek to hold their hands through the whole process.

      Towards that end, I'm currently pilot testing a suite of encryption solutions that should help both journalists and their sources maintain their anonymity and keep their communications private. What's special about this system?

      0) It's extremely easy to use.

      1) It's secured by 2048 bit RSA encryption/decryption that takes place on the client. All encryption code is Open Source.

      2) It allows for anonymous encrypted email withing the system, w/ *all* identifying information stripped from the message.

      3) It allows for anonymous plaintext email to be sent outside the system that's only traceable to the server that sends it (as their proxy), w/ no other identifying header information other than the address of the proxy.

      3) It allows for time to live dating and max view counts per message. After the time or view limit limit expires, the message is deleted.

      4) It works on Linux, OS X, and Win32, and is built on an OS stack for bonus goodness.

      I'm posting from an insecure wireless network and can't log in via SSL, so if you'd like to contact me about this system, drop me a line at rDOTpDOTruizATvaultletsoftDOTcom.

      Here's the url to the placeholder website for the system which should be in limited production use at the beginning of September 2005: http://www.vaultletsoft.com/ Check it out and let me know what you think, or if you'd like to work w/ me on this project.

      Silla!

      Rick

    7. Re:Easy...set up nym accounts.. by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      That would pretty much set things up virtually untraceable.

      And, unverifiable.

      The reason the editors know much of these details is so that someone can verify that the news source is valid, the story is worth printing, and the information is believed to be correct.

      If they simply went with a purely anonymous re-mailer system, they would just open themselves for all sorts of crapfloods which claim to be leaks from inside sources.

      They require due-dilligence on their behalf to have any credibility.
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      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  12. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys do realize that newspapers all over the world have recently instituted strict policies prohibiting the use of anonymous sources, right? After 16 people died in rioting after that anonymously sourced Newsweek story and terrorists killed 50 more in London over it, the use of anonymous sources has been totally banned everywhere.

    1. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      :troll:

    2. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the use of anonymous sources has been totally banned everywhere.
      Bullshit...
    3. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, those anonymous sources are terrible and I'm glad they're gone. I'm also glad the FBI was disbanded and the agents hunted down and shot after they confirmed the reports leading to Newsweek's article.

  13. Ironic... by l_bratch · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...how NY Times wants anonymous sources, but wants us to sign up to read the article about it.

  14. Slashdot Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Link to the anonymous sources from Slashdot.

    Then the prosecutors won't be able to access the information.

  15. Don't keep logs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Set up a web-based tip form with no logging.

    Score: 5; Informative

  16. Onion Routing & Hidden Pages by BobPaul · · Score: 1

    The newspaper and the source could communicate via a blog or wiki hosted on TOR. It would be impossible to find where the actual server was, and if the source never provides his/her name and other information the newspaper could never find it, nor could prosicuters.

    The newspaper itself could even host the wiki/blog and provide the public with the Tor Rendevous address. The government could force the paper to open it's page but there would be no logs available and the paper itself would never know who the informant is.

    An example would be the Hidden Wiki available only to those using TOR.

    i2p would also work, but requires open ports so won't work behind a firewall/NAT without configuration.
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    1. Re:Onion Routing & Hidden Pages by Jac_no_k · · Score: 1

      Along with one of those free web based E-mail and with PGP signing to prove the information source is from the same entity.

  17. Possible by kg4gyt · · Score: 1

    Nearly all traffic, especially e-mail, is logged at some point along its travels across the internet. The end point can't remove every trace, they don't control each point along the chain.

    1. Re:Possible by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      In a simple email, everything up to the first blank line is headers. After that comes the body of the message. It's trivial to remove absolutely all the tracking information.

      In sendmail, and probably other mailers, you can set up an email alias that pipes through a script. I did exactly that to deliver tape backup logs to a database server. My script loops around reading lines of headers from stdin, saving the To:, From: and Subject: headers, ignoring all others. When it sees the blank line, it stops copying headers and collects the remaining input into a "body" variable. Then it pokes the collected information into the database and fires off a reply.

      A reporter could use such a script to strip off all identifying information in incoming email and simply deliver the message with a From address that's a hash of the original sender. That would allow subsequent messages to be attributed to the same source without the reporter knowing who it was.

      For extra "sticking it to the man" satisfaction, the reporter could run the system booted from a CD, with the original kept by a friend. Any time a court took his machine away for analysis, he could get another copy of the CD from the friend and boot it up on another $50 486 or pentium bought from eBay or a local recycler.

  18. anonymous remailers? by Sonicboom · · Score: 1


    I remember there was a great big anonymous email system in Finland.

    address was anon4782344@remailer.something.fi

    For some reason I also remember reading that the Church of Scientology had something to do with the demise of this remailer.

    But - it was good for what it was - and it kept people anonymous.

    Do any anon remailers still exist?

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    [Connection closed by foreign host]
    1. Re:anonymous remailers? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      anon.penet.fi. It was great, back in the day, if you had something to hide. Yup, the Scientologists had it closed down, because someone using it posted copyrighted religious documents to USENET. Of course, I'd never trust any "journalist" who felt the need to hide behind anonymous identities. I might as well trust the New York Times or CBS News!

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    2. Re:anonymous remailers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe you are thinking of anon.penet.fi.

    3. Re:anonymous remailers? by learn+fast · · Score: 2, Informative

      You may be thinking of anon.penet.fi. Was popular on usenet while it lasted.

    4. Re:anonymous remailers? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      The remailers are still alive and well. The magic phrase is "nym", which is a way to create an email address that can be replied to.

      For example, you could create the nym "johnsmith@nym.example.com". Whenever you send a specially-structured email to nym.example.net (signed with johnsmith's private key), the remailer will send it back out with the From: address changed to johnsmith@nym.example.com. Then, whenever someone replies to that email address, the remailer can redirect their reply (encrypted by the remailer with johnsmith's public key) to the newsgroup of your choice with the subject of your choice.

      <plug>I wrote a program to automate the process.</plug> The original intent was to create a plugin for popular MUAs, but I never got that far.

      Now, the neat trick is that you can send your control messages (like creating the nym, deleting it, etc.) and outbound messages (that you want to be rewritten and forwarded) through a chain of old-style anonymous remailers. As long as at least one entry in that chain is "pure", your messages are safe.

      Yes, I know this is horridly complex for first-time users, but it works and it's available today. I wouldn't necessarily trust it to make anonymous tips to the NSA, but I think it'd be adequate protection for anything less critical.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    5. Re:anonymous remailers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was that scientology cult from www.xenu.net that stopped anon.penet.fi wasn't it?

  19. Karl Rove is a CIA Agent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a very timely article and an important one. I just received news that turd blos^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h Karl Rove is an undercover CIA agent. Thank goodness I can post this important news on slashdot anonymously.

    Sincerely,
    George W. Bush

  20. My two ideas by El+Cubano · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The first two things that come to mind:

    • Anonymous letter via snail mail
    • Email submitted via mixmaster

    Even then, it is not possible to be completely anonymous. It is always possible to match things like print head patterns, fingerprints, typewriter head impressions, and so on. Like anything else security-related, there are only varying degrees.

    1. Re:My two ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One must understand that the newspaper wants to know the identity of the source. Otherwise they would have no way of sorting a crackpot from someone "in the know" and a reliable source from one that lies frequently. Reliable sources become such things by providing facts that bear out inspection regularly.

      Now that the reporter knows the identity of the person, that same reporter will need to conceal that information. That same reporter will need to have the moral fiber to truly go to jail. Because a prosecutor will ask for that information, the journalist will need to either actively lie (which is obstructing justice and worthy of jail time) or simply refuse to comply. Refusing to comply may still land the reporter in jail. This assumes that the reporter to steps to prevent others from learning the identity. For example, if it went on a backup tape unencrypted, then an admin may have access to the information. In this case, will the admin stand up to the same level of intimidation? Will the news agency protect such a person to the same degree? Has the person been trained on this kind of situation and the news agency's policies (which the reporter undoubtedly would have)?

    2. Re:My two ideas by ferat · · Score: 1

      Couldn't ya just do a web form with logs stored in a ramdisk that is recycled ever 10 minutes? No bits on disk to be undeleted, the login name wouldn't mean anything, and no traceback.

      Meet your contact someplace anonymous the first time. Some place like an adult theatre. Do what you can to acertain their credentials without actually getting a name. Give them a login to the aforementioned system. Never meet again.

      Best anyone could say is "I got all this info from anony12431 whom I met at a glory hole".

    3. Re:My two ideas by legirons · · Score: 1

      * Anonymous letter via snail mail

      I actually still remember the FBI searching entire postcodes because they knew where a particular letter was posted (this was the anthrax scare a few years ago, b.t.w.)

      While I'm sure you could say "just post it in a city", I'm just noting that some things we think are anonymous, don't stay that way if there's enough police interest.

      (Not to mention, I wouldn't post anything anonymous in a city, having seen the number of CCTV cameras on every corner...)

      Mixmaster is a good idea though, and I still use it. I do wonder how it will cope in a few years though, when 40% of its users are FBI honeypots and the other 59% are spammers...

  21. How ironic by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

    how newspapers are looking for new ways to hide the identities of anonymous sources from prosecutors.

    Coming from the NYT that requires the identities of online readers, that's ironic...

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  22. Not a Technical Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because of the way the law is written (IANAL, but I think I'm right), it doesn't really matter as long as the Journalist knows who the source is, since the Journalist can be held in contempt until she/he gives up the name. The only way to be truely anonomous is if the Journalist doesn't even know who the source is, and that seems like a bad idea.

    The Journalist needs to know who the source is to decide if they are trustworthy, and a Judge can put the Journalist in Jail for not telling. This is a political question, or a social question, not a technological one.

    1. Re:Not a Technical Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Mod Parent Up!!!

      But as an anonymous source, you will have to read the parent in order to determine whether I am truly trustworthy. :)

  23. How to be Anonymous by bigwavejas · · Score: 1
    Web Surfing - Surf anonymously by using one of the many of free on-line proxy servers. Google for "Anonymous Surfing" or You can find a list here: http://www.freeproxy.ru/en/free_proxy/cgi-proxy.ht m

    Email - You could then grab a gmail or yahoo account (giving a ficticious name.)

    Instant Messaging and File Sharing - You can use WASTE (RSA secured). More info can be found at: http://waste.sourceforge.net/ Hope that helps.

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    1. Re:How to be Anonymous by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      HAH

      All I have to do is set up an open proxy, wait for it to get on all those generated lists, and sit back and watch all the passwords, ssns and credit card numbers scroll by on my screen.

      A proxy does not make you anonymous to the person running it - quite the opposite, it gives that person unfettered access to anything you do.

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  24. Freenet already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sheesh, wasn't this the whole point of the freenet project? The trick is making the network and apps like FROST more accessible to non-l33t participants ... aka the last mile.

    I can see it now ... free freenet kiosks in the malls under 24x7 camera surv. ;)

    1. Re:Freenet already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... because public access to kiddie porn is a must.

  25. Just hit Archive by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Once the discussion is archived, nobody can post anything useful to the poll, and then there won't be any trace of who is copying DVDs.

    Oh, sorry, I thought this was some freedom of speech thing.

    Nevermind.

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  26. Simple by jtwJGuevara · · Score: 1

    Install slashcode and let everyone post as Anonymous Coward.

    1. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on... at least you could have posted as an Anonymous Coward.

  27. You're completely missing the point by Otter · · Score: 1
    The _reporter_ knows who the anonymous source is and, in theory at least, has evaluated his credibility. Journalists aren't looking for a way for some completely anonymous and untraceable person to get his assertions into their publications.

    That's what blogs are for.

  28. You have to kill the reporters involved too... by Glasswire · · Score: 1

    ...of course. Otherwise through torture, threat of prison (or worse, threat of killing future book deals) they might squeal.:-)

    1. Re:You have to kill the reporters involved too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I once had this on a site I was running:
      "This information will be treated in strict confidence and will not be used for any other purpose -- and that includes keeping us out of jail, if necessary."
      If you aren't prepared to do bird for keeping your trap shut, then you shouldn't be reporting the news.
  29. pseudonymity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In addition to anonymity pseudonymity is something people want.

    That is, have a way to search for writings of.. or verify the articles of Silence Dogood or other pseudonym. That way people can have blogs etc. and people can be sure its the same credible person.

    What a dissident group or person needs is to have a system that guarantees psuedonymity.

  30. When FBI comes asking you... by dormant25 · · Score: 1

    ..who was it?
    Blame it on Microsoft.

    "Hey Mr. Sam I don't have the data anymore, I got a blue screen, wanna see it?"

    If they don't believe that, better hide under the table, because THEY ARENT THE FBI !!

  31. The same way terrorists do... by philmack · · Score: 1

    ...so who does al-qaeda use for their IT, anyway?

    1. Re:The same way terrorists do... by *fishies* · · Score: 1

      Gateway 2000 for their hardware, and AOL for their Net.

  32. Okay, isn't that a bad idea? by PierceLabs · · Score: 1

    If you hide all of the various forms of keeping track of who your source is, how do you validate that your source is actually who they say they are and that you aren't getting conflicting information from various sources? Can a source that you're going to verify (if you know ANYTHING about journalistic integrity) ever be truly anonymous?

    This seems to be more of a problem that has a solution in the courts than one that can realisticly be enforced using technology because if you want to go this route, then you might as well just set up a "anonymous tip" box somewhere that people will insert information into from time to time.

    1. Re:Okay, isn't that a bad idea? by DickBreath · · Score: 1
      If you hide all of the various forms of keeping track of who your source is, how do you validate that your source is actually who they say they are
      Yeah, how do you validate that an anonymous source is really anonymous?

      But seriously, you raise several good questions.

      Suppose I digitally sign something juicy and send it to a reporter. In the future, s/he can verify that he got more information from the same source without knowing the identity of the source.

      I suppose that in order for this to work, I would have to first build up a history of trust with the reporter. Suppose I work for a sensitive three letter organization. Let's call this hypothetical organization the FIB. Pssssst. On Monday, the FIB will announce XXXX. Later... Psssst. On Thursday, the FIB is going to do YYYY. Now the reporter would tend to believe that I might know advance information about the FIB.

      But now, I suppose, an organization like this hypothetical FIB could also build up a history of credibility, and then use that credibility to bamboozle the reporter into scooping some bombshell that later turns out to be false. It is a way for the FIB to manipulate the media.
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  33. tor or i2p by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

    http://tor.eff.org
    http://www.i2p.net
    Set up a server in tor or i2p, log nothing.

  34. The information paradox... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    I'll bet most people in favor of preserving anonymous sources are also the first to shout "Information wants to be free" whenever some encryption gets cracked.

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    1. Re:The information paradox... by caino59 · · Score: 1

      or that require personal information before reading them online...

  35. Big difference between CIA leak and DeepThroat by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Lets not forget there is one difference between these two sources...

    In the case of deep throat - he was reporting on a crime that someone else committed. At no point did deep throat cross a legal line in reporting what he did to the Washington Post

    In the case of the CIA leak - lets just say that who ever their source was COMMITTED a crime by leaking the name to the reporter. By committing a crime, he should be reported and punished to the full extent of the law.

    Back to your regularly scheduled First Ammendment ramblings

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    1. Re:Big difference between CIA leak and DeepThroat by Moonchen · · Score: 1

      Seeing how the press is a line of defense when one's rights are trampled upon, drawing a distinction based on legality here is a dangerous thing to do.

      Just because something is illegal to do, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Obviously there are times when information shouldn't be made available publically, but we shouldn't use the law as the only guideline.

    2. Re:Big difference between CIA leak and DeepThroat by ahoehn · · Score: 1

      At no point did deep throat cross a legal line in reporting what he did to the Washington Post ... In the case of the CIA leak ... who ever their source was COMMITTED a crime by leaking the name to the reporter. By committing a crime, he should be reported and punished to the full extent of the law.

      No. There's no difference. You can't promise a source "Anonymity conditional on the information you give me being useful and non-criminal" and expect them to spill the beans. What you can do is choose how you use the information. In this case, the reporters from Time and the New York Times very ethically chose not to release the information they recieved anonymously. Bob Novak (Who by the way I loathe) had no such ethical compunctions about screwing over a CIA operative.
       
        On a related note, Time ruined its reputation with sources when it released the documents that pointed to Rove. Do you think that anyone wanting anonymity will now give this sort of information to a time reporter? No. My political inclination leads me to want Rove to get screwed over one this, but more important than that is the ability of journalists to promise their sources anonymity when necessary, and deliver on that promise.

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    3. Re:Big difference between CIA leak and DeepThroat by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      And, before conservatives leap on this, it's possible a crime what not commmited.

      But that's completely unimportant. The Grand Jury thinks this is serious enough to investigate, and the parent poster is right...this isn't about protecting whistleblowers, this is someone being a witness to a crime and refusing to testify.

      It reminds me of an absurd Diagnosis Murder I saw once, where a priest witnessed a crime, the criminal saw him, so ran over and confessed to him, thus making him 'unable' to testify, or at least unable to be compelled to testify.

      This case has about as much logic as that concept.

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    4. Re:Big difference between CIA leak and DeepThroat by amper · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but there *is* a difference. A journalist is obligated just the same as any other protected class (attorneys, physicians, etc.) to reveal the name of a source when that journalist has material evidence or can be reasonably expected to understand that the source is complicit in criminal activity. In the Valerie Plame case, this would be the revelation of the identity of a CIA operative; such a revelation is in itself a crime, and as such, the source cannot and should not be protected.

    5. Re:Big difference between CIA leak and DeepThroat by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      what should we use as our guideline? our own arbitrary opinions?

    6. Re:Big difference between CIA leak and DeepThroat by sgt_doom · · Score: 1
      Exactly so: it was illegal to jump George W. Bush ahead of everyone else on that long waiting line for the Texan Air National Guard (a.k.a. draft avoidance), it was illegal for George W. Bush to avoid his flight physical, it was illegal for George Bush to be AWOL for such a lengthy period of time (2 years plus???), and it was illegal for him to not declare his traffic record at various times he did so.

      But in those cases, illegalities seem not to matter.

    7. Re:Big difference between CIA leak and DeepThroat by hacksoncode · · Score: 1
      Ummm, yes, but the information Deep Throat revealed either was, or could easily have been, classified.

      In which case revealing it would have been a crime.

      It's a crime I'm happy to forgive him, but that doesn't change the fact that revealing secret information (whether classified or even just a corporate trade secret) is typically or at least frequently criminal.

  36. how about... by alexandreracine · · Score: 1

    How about these two lines?

    cat /proc/random >> /mail/source
    cat /dev/null >> /mail/source

    (repeat and rince a couple of time)

    Something like that...

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  37. beware! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just be warned. I will patent and OWN any decent idea posted to slashdot on this subject.

  38. Why should I tell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We, the slashdotter, tend to keep to ourselves with the bevy and greatest technology.

    Why let the media in it also? So the PHB can find ways to expose our latest and illusive methodology too?

    No thanks....

  39. use paper by meatbridge · · Score: 1

    that's the solution.

    1. Re:use paper by zxsqkty · · Score: 1
      that's the solution.

      Only if you dissolve it in 4 gallons of water...

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  40. Yes, But by 4of12 · · Score: 1

    It's easy to provide anonymity to potential sources if reporters widely distribute their public keys.

    It's a little harder to provide a distribution mechanism which resists backtracing by determined, well-funded and ruthless power.

    It's harder still - and this is a long-standing problem for reporters - to verify material provided by anonymous sources. Even more so if revealing the information effectively endangers the source.

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    1. Re:Yes, But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easy to provide anonymity to potential sources if reporters widely distribute their public keys.

      It's a little harder to provide a distribution mechanism which resists backtracing by determined, well-funded and ruthless power.

      It's harder still - and this is a long-standing problem for reporters - to verify material provided by anonymous sources. Even more so if revealing the information effectively endangers the source.


      The reporters are public figures already; their identity is known. If they know who their sources are, it can be forced out of them.

      They don't have to know, though. They can simply publish their public keys to the same large viewing audience that they wish to collect anonymous reports from. If the public keys are, well, public, then it's hard to ID any given individual for possessing one. IP addresses can be filtered through re-directors across the globe.

      It might not be enough to stop a "determined, well-funded and ruthless power": but then, it might. It all depends on how powerful the ruthless power really is, and in which areas of which countries. If they can't get to some of the redirectors, they may not be able to trace the entire chain back...

      As for accuracy, reporters should be verifying all their stories, not just anoymous submissions. It's rare these days, but long ago it was known as "journalistic integrity". It was a notion that said not only did you never publish false information, you also didn't publish a story that you didn't believe was true. Anything in the grey area didn't get published; whereas today, anything that isn't an outright lie is fair game.

      As for the safety of the source, why is the source providing reporters with information that will endanger himself? If (s)he does so, persumably, it's because (s)he knows and accepts the risks involved.

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    2. Re:Yes, But by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      >It's easy to provide anonymity to potential sources if reporters widely distribute their public keys.

      Anonymity is a harder problem than confidentiality.

      A whistleblower who has a journalist's PGP key can send encrypted email, after which an investigator can look at the newspaper's ISP logs or those on the whistleblower's side and find out who the leaker was.

      There are solutions but they're complicated and hard to use, not to mention unreliable.

    3. Re:Yes, But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A whistleblower who has a journalist's PGP key can send encrypted email, after which an investigator can look at the newspaper's ISP logs or those on the whistleblower's side and find out who the leaker was.

      And the investigations will probably find out that the answer is: some open relay network, somewhere on the planet. Unlike spammers, the whistleblower doesn't have to leave contact info to promote a product...
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  41. not a technology problem by KD7JZ · · Score: 1

    The only reason a source is of any value to a reporter is because they are not anonymous to the reporter. The reporter has to know the identity and bona fides of the source for the information to have any validity.

    You might create a technology solution so that the only place the identity of the source exists is in the reporters mind, but even then the reporter needs to 'sell' the story to the editorial committee.

    Instead, this problem must be solved judicially by making the freedom of the press tangible in a reporter's ability to gather information confidentially.

    1. Re:not a technology problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

        The only reason a source is of any value to a reporter is because they are not anonymous to the reporter. The reporter has to know the identity and bona fides of the source for the information to have any validity.


      Do you need to know who wrote a science book for the information in it to be valid?

  42. Tool for Disinformation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great! What a great tool for injecting disinformation into the news cycle. I can now with total anonymity just make up unverifiable "facts" that support a particular political position I want put forth and get it published in the NYT. Just reel in a NYT reporter who has more hair mousse than common sense with some purportedly hot juicy news stuff and away we go! The more anti-Bush the better! They will chomp right on it. And I can then scoot away scott free since no one will know me as anything other than "Anonymous Coward".

  43. Completely hide every trace? by winkydink · · Score: 1

    Here's the short answer. You can't.

    This is a social problem, not a technological one.

    You need to fanatically develop a culture where secrecy surrounding a source's identity is sacrosanct. Reporters don't keep real names in notes. Nothing about real names of sources is written down. Communications involving sources is done verbally and face to face... etc...

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  44. I have the perfect solution.. and it's an OLD ONE! by peculiarmethod · · Score: 1

    It's easy. We set up pigeon feeders at newspapers, and in a little donated park areas around metropolis areas (good for the environment), set up bird seed machines that are on teh cheap as to attract lots of people, and train the birds to move from various park areas to newspapers. Then, all the informant has to do is pick a random park area and attach scroll to informant pigeon.. I mean carrier pigeon.. and bam. Too many people to keep track of for snoopy snoops. I suppose the only worry is getting a NO CARRIER signal. But the redundancy could be there with multiple visits to parks.

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  45. Easy by rlp · · Score: 0, Troll

    Forget about encryption, anonymous re-mailers etc. and just make stuff up like Jason Blair (and others) did.

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  46. Keep it in your head by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    they still don't have reliable thought readers yet, and we all know torture doesn't get you more reliable results, so that solution will work.

    And never ever talk about it or write it down.

    Consider using a numbered source system. Find a book that has the picture of the source and refer to that picture as something like RG7952 for Salizar's Homoculus Directory (R=S,G=H), page 89 (79=89), column 5, row 2 - which is a picture of that person. And then whenever you refer to it in internal articles, always use that exact reference (RG7952 big fluffy bear spotted at midnight doing tango with Shiek's best bud George in horizontal position on 12/5/04).

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  47. Anonymous login by JohnWiney · · Score: 1

    Have them all log in to the NYT web site, and post from there. No one would believe the login data.

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  49. the authenticity of anonymous sources by VolciMaster · · Score: 1
    can be easily called into question. If you're writing a 'big scoop', you want to be sure you're reporting correctly (well, maybe not for some papers). The accuracy of information coming from someone who is willing to be identified is generally higher than that of the guy who remains anonymous.

    Think of the /. feature of posting AC. In general, AC posts aren't worth as much as a post associated with a known user. I certainly give more interest to someone who bothered to register than I do to an AC posting.

    That being stated, anonymity can be a Good Thing (tm), especially if you're worried about repurcussions from the entity you're informing upon.

    Anonymous transactions happen every day when we use cash to pay for common items. It's why people don't remember who bought the giant Butterfinger bar at 1547 on Tuesday afternoon: it's only a buck. You also can't verify that you bought it, or when without a receipt, which takes away from the anonymity. However, if you're asked about where you were between 1530 and 1600 on Tuesday, and you paid with a credit/debit card, the time and location of the transaction can be verified to a much higher degree of confidence.

    The use of anonymous sources isn't a bad thing per se, but the credibility of someone who refuses to be identified is generally viewed lower (sometimes a lot lower) than the credibility of a source with a name.

    1. Re:the authenticity of anonymous sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care what you have to say either.

    2. Re:the authenticity of anonymous sources by jesup · · Score: 1

      The base problem is that the journalist needs to know their source and communicate with them, and perhaps let an editor know the source's name as well, but they need to do so without leaving a record trail that would allow someone else trying to track down the source to figure it out.

      We can mostly leave the "how do you prove who it is that is leaking" up to the leaker and the reporter. The problem is the untracable after-the-fact communications channel (and preferably hard to intercept as a general case, so wiretaps aren't effective).

      Communications channels:
      1) Personal contact. There is the issue of how do you know to make contact in person, but that's handlable. Biggest danger here is the increasing number of random video cameras that might be reviewed afterwards to figure out who met with Reporter X. Easiest if there are other reasons they'd meet anyways.

      2) snail mail. Easily destroyed after reception. Generally impossible to track after-the-fact - at most the date and rough location of the source. Vulnerable to interception if that's set up ahead of time, but generally requires real court acquiesence (modulo Patriot Act). Mail drops can be used, or sent via friends/neighbors/etc.

      3) Regular/cell phone calls. Lots of records; easy to trace after-the-fact. Simplest way to avoid tracing: use public phones (becoming rare). Use a phone not likely to be suspected of being the destination (call the reporter when they're visiting a friend/neighbor/family member). May be tracable if they check records of outgoing calls from someone suspected.

      4) voip, especially point-to-point SIP. Not generally tracable after-the-fact; if a sniffer has been installed it can generally be traced unless routing games are played.

      5) email from/to "free" email accounts. Similar to voip - hard to trace after-the-fact, though easier than voip - records may be kept on the email supplier, and computers may indicate what ID's to check. Best done from a public-access PC (libraries); in that case it's very hard to find after-the-fact unless the general vector is exposed in some manner - and it may be. Still may be hard to trace.

      6) Prepaid cell phones - but only if they can't easily be traced to either party. Even then, traffic analysis could rat you out - they get records from the cell company about all calls in a cell that includes where the reporter lives or works, and sort through them - especially if they know approximately when and where the reporter was called.

      etc.

      There are I'm sure lots of posts about how to in a hidden way do web/etc stuff. That's not really the point.

      The big issue is that the reporter has to be cognizant that ANYTHING tracable may give away the source. Phone records and email of course, but knowing when data was transferred, knowing too much about what data was given, doing web searches based on the data received, etc. If they really want to maintain anonymity of their sources, they need to be very careful. Verbal discussion with editors of identities only. Never call them or be called. Never write down their name or anything else identifiable, or if you do destroy it (well).

      Now, this level of paranoia may only be needed for "big stakes" anonymous sources. If it's over someone on city council taking a kickback, only a modicum of anonymizing may be needed (though avoiding written/electronic records is still a really good idea).

  50. Call Panama, they know...it's HUSHMAIL by GPLDAN · · Score: 1

    Panama is THE haven for hiding assets. If you embezzeled a shitload of cash from your corporation and need to disappear to a third world country, it's guys like these who can help you out. Isabella from shes.flightrisk.org used them to vanish somewhere having absconded over $100M from her family.

    These crazy Panamanian lawyers recommend Hushmail. Used by 4 out 5 international criminals who chew gum. Let's just put it this way... if you wanted to contact a journalist with a blow the roof off the government leak, you'd use Hushmail. The United States Feds wants to get it's hands on Hushmail and cannot. It's been tested in international court. You start sending email to a journalist inbox from Hushmail and they will not find you. Mark Felt would use Hushmail.

  51. i saw this in a movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    write messages on toliet paper
    if someone tries to read it
    put it in your mouth or flush it down the toliet

    i think it was on silence of the lambs.

    1. Re:i saw this in a movie by eight+and+a+quarter · · Score: 1

      mod this thread up thats a good idea

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  52. One way hash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other than blasting off and nuking it from space, a one way hash is the only way to be sure.

    Of course, with either solution, all data is irretrievably lost...

  53. Without mind wipes... by Vardan · · Score: 1

    it's pretty much impossible. While it's great that reporters want to protect their sources, ultimately, those sources are almost never revealed by means of technological know-how. They're either revealed because someone decides to talk, or they never come to light and the reporter ends up going to jail for contempt of court.

    For example, a local reporter in our area refused to give up the name of his source for confidential videotapes leaked from FBI files (in regard to the trial of then-mayor of Providence, "Buddy" Cianci). The source was ultimately revealed because people started blabbing, not because "Big Brother" ransacked the reporter's hard drive.

    While in principle, I think encrypting such data may be a good idea, to keep it away from casual hackers and leaks of that nature, I doubt that cryptography or such things will keep the info out of the hand of law enforcement or other government agencies. They'll fall back on their usual technique of applying pressure to the person, not the technology, and that person either will or will not cave in.

    On a bit of a tangent, I don't think there's any real way to keep someone involved in a report from being in the know as to who the source is - anonymous submission sources and the such are not very useful, because then the reporter has no way to judge the credibility of the information.

    1. Re:Without mind wipes... by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      anonymous submission sources and the such are not very useful, because then the reporter has no way to judge the credibility of the information.

      On the other hand, a good investigative reporter only needs a whiff of a story to start digging, and if he digs up enough information to verify at least part of the tipoff, that could validate the rest. Just asking a few questions in the right places can provoke interesting responses.

  54. Is moderation borken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are 50 comments so far and not a single one is moderated up or down.

    1. Re:Is moderation borken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last article was suffering a similar fate, though now 2 or 3 comments in that one got modded up. Something very weird is going on with moderation.

  55. Exactly. (Plus an article link) by XanC · · Score: 1
    Column Link

    On 19 June, 2005, Oregon's Mail Tribune reported that in a recent survey of 419 media outlets, nearly one-fourth of editors said they have banned the use of anonymous sources entirely -- a good start. Yet most members of the press still claim they cannot manage their self-appointed duty as the "watchdog of government" without using anonymous sources.

    One must ask, then, how the scientific community manages so well using only verifiable sources? No scientific journal editor would even consider allowing a reference to an anonymous source.

    Thomas Henry Huxley defined science as "nothing but trained and organized common sense." Scientific method might be similarly summarized as simply "telling the truth." Science makes rigorous efforts to prevent self-interest, conscious or unconscious, from distorting the truth. In studies testing new medications, neither the physician giving the drug nor the recipient of the drug know whether the medicament being evaluated or a placebo is being given. These double-blind studies prevent distortion resulting from bias. Richard Feynman wrote of "learning how not to fool ourselves" and of having "utter scientific integrity" as being part of "our responsibility as scientists." Scientists are trained to understand how deceptively easy it is to believe what they want to believe and to recognize that they must constantly be on guard against allowing this form of bias to compromise the integrity of their work.

    How much a given field of knowledge values the truth can be measured by the attention it gives to methods attempting to preserve the truth.

    The steady stream of high-profile scandals in the mass media over the past several years -- ranging from forged documents to trying to pass off fiction as news -- indicates that media methods need some serious scrutiny. First, consider my title, Anonymous sources: A license to lie. I don't mean to imply that reporters lie every time they cite an unidentified source. But consider: an anonymous source could mean no source at all -- material simply made up by the reporter. A more widespread concern, however, is that human communications are rarely perfect. Did the reporter's interpretation accurately portray what his source said? Or did he hear what he wanted to hear? Or did he paraphrase; allowing his bias to alter the meaning? The only way to know is to ask the source. That is why our legal system has cross-examinations; and why the accused is guaranteed the right to face his accuser. The use of anonymous sources almost guarantees that the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth will not be transmitted with accuracy and precision.

    As a scientist, I suggest that considering themselves the "watchdog of government" invalidates the media's credibility by any objective scientific standard. It injects a massive anti-government bias that overwhelms the media's well-known liberal bias. As the "watchdog of government," the media needs to find government impropriety -- or make it up if they can't -- to justify their existence. Such a bias would not be tolerated in science, in law or in any other honest field of human endeavor.

    A profession considering itself the "watchdog of government" is an excellent example of the mass media fooling itself, believing what it wants to believe. I recall well when our media acted as the ministry of propaganda for the North Vietnamese: The media told the American public that the Tet Offensive of 1968 was a North Vietnamese victory. In fact, it was an unmitigated military disaster for the Communists. Our media repeated that lie incessantly until, finally, the American public believed them, lost patience and stopped supporting the Vietnamese conflict.

    In World War II we had censorship of the media. We won that war. In the Vietnam conflict we suffered the consequences of allowing our mass media unrestricted access to flood our homes with grisly scene

    1. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 1

      One must ask, then, how the scientific community manages so well using only verifiable sources? No scientific journal editor would even consider allowing a reference to an anonymous source.

      Give it a few more years and you just might ;-)

      "An anonymous source reports he has verifiable proof of evolution in a population of ants in the Amazon rainforest.......FBI is investigating".

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    2. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No scientific journal editor would even consider allowing a reference to an anonymous source.

      Someone's never met Nicolas Bourbaki , apparently.

    3. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 1

      Sorry to reply to myself, but I had a better example I thought was better (funnier).

      "An anonymous researcher reports he has used stem cells to cure cancer, diabeties, and parkensons.......President Bush has vowed to hunt the terrorist down and bring him to justice!".

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    4. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Uzik2 · · Score: 1

      Huh? You're comparing anonymous sources with scientific research? That's like saying my
      wrench makes a really bad screwdriver. Duh!

      Anonymous sources are absolutely necessary.
      How can people protect themselves from retribution
      without it?

      "out-of-control media, intoxicated with power"?
      Sounds like you have serious reality connection issues.

      Not everything is a conspiracy.
      Every sparrow that falls wasn't killed by God.
      Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
      Shit happens.

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    5. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      "An anonymous researcher reports he has used stem cells to cure cancer, diabeties, and parkensons.......President Bush has vowed to hunt the terrorist down and bring him to justice!".

      Meanwhile you can order the cure in a single simple pill and get Fr33 V14gr4!!!! Order NOW!!!

      Good idea, let's trust anonymous sources w/ unverifiable claims.

    6. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      As a scientist, I suggest that considering themselves the "watchdog of government" invalidates the media's credibility by any objective scientific standard. It injects a massive anti-government bias that overwhelms the media's well-known liberal bias. As the "watchdog of government," the media needs to find government impropriety -- or make it up if they can't -- to justify their existence. Such a bias would not be tolerated in science, in law or in any other honest field of human endeavor.

      [...]

      In World War II we had censorship of the media. We won that war. In the Vietnam conflict we suffered the consequences of allowing our mass media unrestricted access to flood our homes with grisly scenes of battlefield combat. These powerful images overwhelmed the emotions of a gullible public and destroyed all sense of perspective. Even if we had had the technology in World War II that we have today, broadcasting the photographs of all 12,520 combatants killed in the battle for Okinawa alone would have required a television channel devoted to nothing else.


      I'm not even sure if one can respond to this, much less how. The author of this article seems to be deluded into thinking that if the American public were merely kept in the dark about what was going on in Vietnam, we would have won. If only winning a war was so simple was keeping a democratic country's public fooled about the truth so that they will dissent as little as people under the protective arms of a good old dictatorship. Wouldn't that be nice?

      Anonymity is essential to fighting corruption and tyranny. The author of the article argues that no scientist needs anonymous sources to find the truth, but since when has a particle accelerator failed to give up a new particle because of the fear of retribution? Whistleblowers need protection from retribution, and our thin veil of laws protecting them mean little in the face of the fact that most whistleblowers will never work in their former industry ever again. As long as people cannot safely give over information without fear of losing the jobs that they and their families depend on, corruption will spread unchecked.

      Remember all it takes for evil to propser is for good men to do nothing. If we do not shield good men shining light on corruption from harm, then we will find very few people willing to step up for what is right.

      Of course, I gather that this is the sort of thing that the author of the article prefers. He seems to have nothing but contempt for the media and for the concept of an informed public. His deepest desire is to have people called into court and grilled over any information they leak that might challenge those in power. In essence, the author of this article is a fascist, and it is frightening to see this sort of sentiment spreading in our country.

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    7. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 1

      Come on man. I wasn't trying to say we should trust these sources (at least for science)! I was just making a joke about the current artifical limits placed on science by politicians and that there could well be a time when scientists are forced "underground" to do research. CERTAINLY, don't think this would be good and was mostly just a joke.

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    8. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by danheskett · · Score: 1

      How can people protect themselves from retribution without it?
      The law explicitly and strongly protects whisteblowers. Report something illegal or shady, and you are protected. If you are fired - as happens - you will be awarded massive damages and be set for life. It happens again and again. The fact is that anonymous sources, 99% of the time, are used for ill, not for good. They used for petty personal reasons. Watergate is a great example. Felt was loser, a passed over whiner. He was pissed at Nixon. He knew Nixon had some dirt on his hands, and so he took him down out of revenge. Nixon deserved to go down, but the press enables non-transparent government by propping anonymous sources. There are probably 5 or maybe 10 cases where newspaper should have used anonymous sources in the last decade. Instead they are constantly used, day in and day out, to avoid scrutiny, transparency, and verification. You've obviously never been attacked by an anonymous source; it sucks!

    9. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't the point of anonymous sources be to point out places you should look for verifiable information?

      For example, in a discussion of support of the Iraq war in the US population, if I as an AC were to mention that the Brevard County, FL Sheriff's Office infilitrated non-violent anti-war protest groups, would you immediately throw that information away, or would it be worth looking into? A journalist certainly ought to look into allegations before publishing them as fact, however, without someone on the inside telling the journalists where to look, information like this might never come to light.

    10. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      Aye. I'm a little uptight it seems... fortunately it's 5 o'clock. Time to unwind and quit being such an ass.

    11. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by ahmusch · · Score: 1
      Anonymous sources are absolutely necessary. How can people protect themselves from retribution without it?
      How can anyone protect themselves from slanderous and/or libelous accusations if the accusers are guaranteed complete anonymity through technology? There need to be checks and balances against the press as well. Amendment VI of the Constitution guarantees a defendant the right to face his or her accuser:
      Amendment VI

      In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

      Yes, I know that the Bill of Rights are the protections of the people against the government; however, the Fifth Estate considers itself to be performing a governmental function (namely, oversight), so one could conceivably argue that the protections of the Bill of Rights could and should be extended to protect against the press, as well as to protect us against each other.

      I'd argue that anonymous sources should be permitted so long as the reporter, managing editor, and the affiliated media organization are all on the hook for both civil and criminal complaints arising from stories arising from anonymous sources. Think of it as Sarbanes-Oxley for the press. 8-)

      Simply put, you can use anonymous sources so long as you're willing to put your money where their mouth is.

    12. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      I agree with this. Using anonymous sources to find information is one thing, but reporting what the anonymous source told you without strong proof is ridiculous (and I believe too common). You should go to press with verifiable facts. Allegations, opinions, or unverifiable information from anonymous sources should never be reported by news media that intends to report the truth.

    13. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 1

      I believe Joe Wilson and his wife (I wont' use her name) the undercover CIA agent aren't set for life.

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    14. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by demachina · · Score: 1

      Geez. The Washington Times is the Fox News of newspapers. In an attempt to compenstate for the "liberal bias" in the Washington Post and New York Times they tilt completely off the deep end of the hard right and this article is proof of that. The NYTimes and Post make a pretense of being unbiased. The Washington Times like Fox News makes no attempt to hide the fact that they have a massive right wing bias.

      This article is advocating a right wing police state with complete government control of the media.

      Me I have this deep suspicion the whole Plame incident was a setup by the sick minds in the White House, Rove and Scooter in particular, to apply a fatal blow to the free press in the U.S. Leak classified information to a whole bunch of reports, and get a at least one, a wiener like Novak to print it. Then start a multiyear witch hunt in which the only people that go to jail are the gullible reporters who listened and didn't print it. The person who did print it and the people in the White House meanwhile get off scot free. If by some miracle a prosecutor ever does charge them the President just pardons them.

      The ultimate objective to completely terrify reporters from using anonymous sources, or worse from doing any investigative journalism at all, and there is precious little of it left. The press we have already spends 99.9% just repeating what they are told at press briefings and by White House and Pentagon sources that are telling the press what they want them to hear and tell the American people, not reality.

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    15. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1

      Of course, if he'd used embryonic stem cells to do those things, he'd not be a terrorist, but he'd certainly be a mass-murderer, or party to mass murder.

    16. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't bother our scientist freind is off somewhere, else. in a different place. where the crime of vietnam was that our media and young people protesting was the betrayal not the illegal war.

    17. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      To avoid giving the impression that that is the official view of the Washington Times editorial board, the byline reads:
      TODAY'S COLUMNIST
      By Martin L. Fackler
      July 29, 2005.

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    18. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by XanC · · Score: 1

      Thank you; I should have put that in the comment as well as the text.

    19. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see. One the one hand we have... scientists whose careers will be advanced if they are published as the originators of scientific work and ideas. On the other we have... whistleblowers who will get shitcanned (or worse) if their boss finds out they were the reason the world knows what rotten tricks the boss was up to.

      Hmm. Yeah. That's apples and apples. I salute your keen scientific rigor.

    20. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....keeping a democratic country's public fooled about the truth....

      The problem is that most often the popular media are not interested in truth, but have an agenda of their own. Somtimes in agreement with the government, but most often against, especially if the government is conservative. War is always a messy thing where death can be portrayed either for or against the war. When for, the valor and sacrifice is praised. When against the futility and failure are elevated. In the last election it was abundantly clear who the majority of the media were rooting for. It was amusing to watch the dismay of some of the most ardent democratic newspeople on election night as their favorite candidates went down to defeat.

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    21. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

      Anonymous pamphlets, leaflets, brochures and even books have

      played an important role in the progress of mankind. Persecuted

      groups and sects from time to time throughout history have been able

      to criticize oppressive practices and laws either anonymously or not

      at all. The obnoxious press licensing law of England, which was also

      enforced on the Colonies was due in part to the knowledge that

      exposure of the names of printers, writers and distributors would

      lessen the circulation of literature critical of the government. The

      old seditious libel cases in England show the lengths to which

      government had to go to find out who was responsible for books that

      were obnoxious to the rulers. John Lilburne was whipped, pilloried

      and fined for refusing to answer questions designed to get evidence

      to convict him or someone else for the secret distribution of books

      in England. Two Puritan Ministers, John Penry and John Udal, were

      sentenced to death on charges that they were responsible for writing,

      printing or publishing books. n6 Before the Revolutionary War

      colonial patriots frequently had to conceal their authorship or

      distribution of literature that easily could have brought down on

      them prosecutions by English-controlled courts.
      Talley v California,
      http://www.epic.org/free_speech/talley_v_californi a.html

    22. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Trepalium · · Score: 1
      Ahh, yes. The "Liberal Media Bias". I really get tired of this anecdote. Maybe you were away when the Clinton blow job media feeding frenzy was going on? The media always focuses on exploiting the weaknesses of anyone who has power because it sells. As long as the story is minimally verifiable or completely unverifiable, they'll print it. Frankly, despite your claims that the media is out to get all you conservatives, I seem to recall little criticism about George H.W. Bush (they were merciless toward Dan Quayle's frequent silly mistakes, though). Reagan was pounded on his unusual economic policies, and Carter was pounded because he was a poor leader.

      How about just the numbers of people from each side. In the past fifty years, there have been 6 Republican presidents having served 30 of those 50 years, and 4 Democrat presidents serving the remaining 20 years. Given the non-partisan tendency of those with power to abuse it given enough time, there OUGHT to be more Republican scandals in the white house than Democrat ones. Unless you believe that Republicans are by definition uncorruptable? (heh)

      Don't mind me, though. I'm just an interested observer, and have no stake in either party (I'm Canadian). I just find the way people whip out the "Liberal Media Bias" excuse to justify anything they have to say as pathetic. Why don't you call it what it really is, Lazy Media Bias.

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    23. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by arminw · · Score: 1

      ......"Liberal Media Bias" excuse to justify anything they have to say as pathetic.....

      Once either party is in power, the media do tend to be more adverserial than supportive since that stance is likely to sell better. What is better to look at in order to determine bias is which party the majority of the media have supported over those 50 years. As far as I can remember, that has usually been the liberals. That was certainly true of the last election. There are exceptions of course. The good thing is that the American voters see through that blatent media endorsements of the liberals and elect conservatives like Bush and throw liberal senators out of office even if he has an important position in the senate. Through constant commercial and political bombardment by the media, most people have become rather immune to media hype and often use their remote control to keep the annoyances down to a dull roar.

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    24. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Trepalium · · Score: 1
      What is better to look at in order to determine bias is which party the majority of the media have supported over those 50 years. As far as I can remember, that has usually been the liberals. That was certainly true of the last election.
      Memory is a tricky thing. One's own world-view can colour one's memory. You're obviously a conservative, but do you really believe there's a massive conspiracy to skew the news in favour of liberals, or perhaps it's something as mediocre as much of the media not representing your views because they don't understand them? Unfortunately, that's not as sexy as a conspiracy, is it? Frankly, from my own memory, the media portrayed John Kerry as a fairly weak-willed person, and someone who would not make a good leader. Bush, on the other hand, was a known -- the devil you know, if you will.

      The good thing is that the American voters see through that blatent media endorsements of the liberals and elect conservatives like Bush and throw liberal senators out of office even if he has an important position in the senate.
      You can't be serious... 51% is hardly a landslide by anyone's imagination. Frankly, the U.S. political elections appear to be very cyclic (with some places being more cyclic than others). One party has power for a time until people get sick of them, and it changes. There will be another liberal president, regardless of if you like it or not, just as there will be other conservative presidents, regardless of if liberals like it or not. So single party represents the views of all americans, and perhaps the longer the party has power, the less it represents those citizens.

      The world is hardly as black and white as the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum seem to make it out to be. Don't believe that there's only one true path. Liberals come up with both good and bad ideas, as do Conservatives. Like it or not, you're going to have to live in a country that makes use of both ideals.

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    25. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      One must ask, then, how the scientific community manages so well using only verifiable sources? No scientific journal editor would even consider allowing a reference to an anonymous source.

      Okay, that is just seriously bad straw man arguing there.

      If we subject politicians to the same scrutiny as scientific experiment, then yes we should do away with anonymous sources. After all, we would be able to conduct an experiment to determine what the source intimated anyway.

      Furthermore the article is ignoring the fact that anonymous sources are used all the time in scientific research. It's called a poll. Just try and get a list of all the women who answered "yes" to some embarassing sexual question for a poll reported in some psychology or medical journal.

      They are two different things and both use anonymous sources in some fashion. That was some seriously ill-informed reporting.

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    26. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Wow, did you read the first four words of that amendment?

      In all criminal prosecutions

      It doesn't say anything about civil proceedings, character assassinations or town criers.

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    27. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > In the Vietnam conflict we suffered the consequences of allowing our mass media
      > unrestricted access to flood our homes with grisly scenes of battlefield
      > combat.

      No, in Vietnam you got the shit kicked out of you by a superior fighting force.

      > These powerful images overwhelmed the emotions of a gullible public and
      > destroyed all sense of perspective

      Silly public, allowing mere human emotions to stop the US in their brave, just crusade against a sinister threat to their safety. Just like Iraq, really.

    28. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      It's different altogether with science. If an "anonymous source" tells you that a spoon held so the back of the bowl is in the stream of water from a tap will be drawn into the stream and not ejected, or that there is always a bright spot in the centre of the shadow cast by a small sphere illuminated by a point source, then you can confirm or deny their claims by experiment.

      And anyway, since you might get something -- ideally a measuring unit, though a university or a national museum would also be acceptable -- named after you, then it is generally in your best interest as a scientist to put your name to your discoveries.

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    29. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by mrogers · · Score: 1
      No scientific journal editor would even consider allowing a reference to an anonymous source.

      On the other hand, authors' names are often removed from papers before refereeing, because editors and referees are supposed to judge a paper on its content rather than its authors' reputations. If you believe that journalism should be scientific in its methods, perhaps sources should be judged on the verifiability of what they say rather than on their reputations. Of course, sometimes the source's identity is indispensable - if the information cannot be verified directly then you have to fall back on reputation - but if an anonymous source leads to verifiable information, why should the source's identity be relevant?

    30. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by danheskett · · Score: 1

      That's because they aren't whistleblowers. And because "she-who-can't-be-named" hasn't suffered consequences as a result of this debacle. She has a comfortable stateside job. If she were, say, demoted or fired, she'd have a clear cut case, she'd be reinstated with back pay and damages, and that's that.

    31. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by ahmusch · · Score: 1
      Wow, did you read my post?
      Yes, I know that the Bill of Rights are the protections of the people against the government; however, the Fifth Estate considers itself to be performing a governmental function (namely, oversight), so one could conceivably argue that the protections of the Bill of Rights could and should be extended to protect against the press, as well as to protect us against each other.
      I'm arguing that the protections provided by that amendment could and should be extended beyond criminal law and into civil law. The larger point is that true anonymity yields a lack of accountability. While that may be good for dissidents, it can really suck when someone uses the press as a tool of character assassination.
    32. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Uzik2 · · Score: 1

      >I'd argue that anonymous sources should be permitted so long as the reporter, managing editor, and the affiliated media organization are all on the hook for both civil and criminal complaints arising from stories arising from anonymous sources. Think of it as Sarbanes-Oxley for the press. 8-)

      Well, I thought slander and libel lawsuits performed that function. I agree but I don't see how what's in place is not working.

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    33. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Uzik2 · · Score: 1

      I heard an interview with whistle blowers and all
      of them said they'd really paid a big price for their actions. I don't think the law protects
      them as much as you think.

      The watergate example did spring to mind for me too. Nixon was dirty, so did it really matter what the motivation of the guy who ratted him out was?

      He might not have been caught without deep throat so in that case good came from using an anonymous source. The guilty got caught.

      I'm sure the press tries to check these anonymous
      tips out to see if they're factual. They avoid
      looking stupid for reporting silly stuff and
      prevent damage lawsuits. So I don't see where
      this has gotten out of control.

      No, I've never been attacked by an anonymous
      source (that I know of). I suspect it might have
      happened in a couple employment situations though.
      I don't think embittered whispers in the dark
      will ever go away until the last human dies.

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    34. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by arminw · · Score: 1

      .....but do you really believe there's a massive conspiracy to skew the news in favour of liberals....

      No, not a conspricacy, but that just happens to be the philosophical bent of the majority of people who go into journalism. If you make a list of the media organizations that endorsed Kerry vs those that endorsed Bush, Kerry was favored by a considerable margin. The same was true for Gore. It is just plain natural for anyone's philosophy of life to color their likes and dislikes of political candidates. Right now the Senate must determine how the life philosophy of Mr. Roberts may influence his decisions as a Supreme Court Justice.

      Actually, I am not dogmatically for one or the other party, but tend to look at the record of integrity of the individual as far as it can be known. I have voted for candidates from both parties and more often than not, they were the ones that got into office.

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    35. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by ahmusch · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that the reporter from the Times who's being held in contempt is right now subject to conspiracy or accessory charges for any crimes precipitated by the use of an anonymous source. That would be the main difference I see -- that of criminal liability. Civil liability is already covered to some degree by slander/libel.

    36. Re:Exactly. (Plus an article link) by Uzik2 · · Score: 1

      Crimes precipitated by the use of the information provided by an anonymous source are a different matter. The anonymous source didn't commit the crime and aren't responsible for it. They still need protection when reporting criminal behaviour, which I think is only provided adequately by anonymity.

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  56. Dude! by caudron · · Score: 1

    ROT13 is the answer! That'll ensure privacy and anonymity for certain!

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  57. Tell The Truth by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Why should we help these corporate media to further protect their anonymous sources? They're abusing the trust we have in their publications, by quoting sources their writers know, but without investigating whether their quotes are accurate. In fact, they look to their sources for quotes to reinforce their foregone conclusions about a story, then keep their source anonymous to protect them from that scrutiny.

    Now, if these corporate media were looking for a way to require that any anonymous source be corroborated by another source, without a vested interest in merely backing up the first source's selfserving lies, I could see helping. But of course that's impossible to automate without true artificial intelligence. With their huge budgets, and other carveouts from accountability, why don't these corporate media get their sources in order first, with some human intelligence? Starting with discarding their attitude that the coroprate PR must be the basic truth, because it's worth so much money. And getting back into actual journalism, where the writer and editor collaborate to find the true story, regardless of who's telling it, or who it's about, then tell it to the public in a way that will be best understood. There's lots of automated tools for that. They should look more into using those tools, and less into CYA technologies.

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    1. Re:Tell The Truth by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      Hear hear! Big newsatainment-media bent on selling advertisements and stirring up their target audience is a vile plague on this world. They should not be protected even when they adopt their self-righteous arrogance. The press is a good thing, and freedom of the press is a good thing, but anonymous sources presenting facts that are not verifiable or coroborated by verifiable sources are being abused in order to further political agendas and lie to the public.

      All media that cite anonymous sources should be required to post a notice to the public indicatign that the story containing the information from the anonymous source could be completely fabricated bullshit created by a media conglomerate to sell more advertisements and further their left/right/middle wing political agenda.

    2. Re:Tell The Truth by Beebos · · Score: 1

      Just because a source is annonymous, doesn't mean their information can't be corroborated. Good journalists do get second sources for all important facts. You have made incredibly overbroad statements that may or may not pertain to a few examples of lazy journalism.

    3. Re:Tell The Truth by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      They do it all the time. They call it "deep background", or, in one extremely nefarious current example, "double super secret background". Rather than encourage the use of anonymous sources, which prevents independent corroboration of the source's info (by us, the consumers), we need to encourage these corporate media to do the harder work of corroboration. To earn back the trust they've burned pushing the stories convenient to their corporations, like "Iraq has WMD".

      I don't know why you're defending them. You don't also suppose that the Abu Ghraib torturers were "just a few bad apples", do you?

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    4. Re:Tell The Truth by Beebos · · Score: 1

      I really don't know what the hell you are talking about. You just spout a lot of vague gobbledy gook. You haven't given one coherent example of what you are talking about.

      I was able to use the press to know that the war in Iraq was Bullshit before it started. It was the press that uncovered Abu Graib. It was the press that uncovered Gonzales' torture memos. It was the press that told us that aluminum tubes, yellow cake uranium, and Iraqi ties to Al Queda were all crap.

      Yes a lot of the press did a terrible job, but others were on the money. The Nation, Harpers, and the Independant all did a great job at uncovering Bush's B.S. The truth IS out there, you just have to dig through the crap. I do bemoan the general sad state of the press today, but I also support the many good journalists who do their job.

      Anonymous sources are invaluable at uncovering government and corporate evil. Without "Deep Throat" Nixon's crimes would not have been brought into the light.

      You on the other hand are just spouting uneducated, paranoid conspiracy theories.

    5. Re:Tell The Truth by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      ..... Or maybe the problem is the nature of the media companies. The instant you begin introducing advertisements with the news, you begin serving two masters: the general public, who have a right to know every true fact, and the advertisers.

      Such a situation is a fertile breeding ground for conflict of interest; because the advertising introduces an obligation simply to sell more papers, and sod old-fashioned journalistic integrity.

      {One almost gets the feeling that certain media outlets -- TV in particular, but many print outlets are just as bad -- see advertising as their "main" business and editorial content as just a kind of necessary evil, the sugar coating to persuade the customer to take the advert-laden pill}.

      The only sensible solution seems to be to restrict the amount of advertising that newspapers can carry. And this has to be brought about through legislation, not through some sort of voluntary effort on the part of the newspaper industry; otherwise, the papers which continue to carry excessive advertising will continue to dominate, because they will be able to be sold at a lower price.

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    6. Re:Tell The Truth by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      serving two masters: the general public, who have a right to know every true fact, and the advertisers.

      I agree with your general analysis of the problem but completely disagree with your solution. The problem is that people buy newsatainment, watch it, and mindlessly go along with what they're being told. The public must protect their "right" to know the facts by avoiding news sources that misrepresent the facts and by demanding quality accurate reporting. There is no monopoloy on the news! Far from it. A single individual has more information today then ever before in the history of the world, but they CHOOSE to watch/read op-ed pieces disguised as news, they obsess over completely irrelevant stories like Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson, Bennifer, and they accept cursory 1-3 minute coverage of extremely complex issues. People are the problem... the media feeds that problem, but at the root of it all the people are the one's dumb enough to go along with it.

    7. Re:Tell The Truth by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      What conspiracy theory? You want a conspiracy theory, that's the conspiracy between Mark Felt (Deep Throat) and Bob Woodward, to bring down Nixon's conspiracy team (which produced breakins, assassinations, lies to war, the list goes on). Felt's conspiracy was motivated by his anger that Nixon would bypass him, the Hoover insider who'd inherit the FBI, in favor of a Nixon outsider who'd turn the FBI into what Nixon was turning the CIA into. So what? I don't care if Felt did it to impress his wife. As long as he told someone about Nixon's crimes, who could expose them, as did Woodward. Notice that Felt didn't tell any established journalist: because they couldn't be trusted.

      Felt was a single anonymous source. So Woodward, under the direction of his editor at the Washington Post, Ben Bradlee, meticulously corroborated every lead with at least one other person. They treated journalism as a science, which gets a little data suggesting a theory of a broad, consistent explanation of widespread phenomena, then test it on independent sources of data, which, when consistent, reveal the "objective" story that exists independent of any teller, of any viewpoint. That process of proof requires that anonymous sources be rigorously corroborated, by trying to disprove their story with information from other sources. Which Woodward and Bernstein did. Turning an anonymous source into a source of leads, from which they shook the corroborated info that let them put lots of stories together. A supremely valuable service to our democracy.

      Now, I don't know why you're attacking me. We seem to agree on the role of the press, and even that some of the press is doing their investigative job. I never said "all the press is lying about everything". I did say that an appeal from the New York Times (and other corporate media like them) for tech to protect their anonymous sources is a disingenuous appeal, fulfillment of which they have not earned. Note that the New York Times got scooped by the WP on Watergate, and didn't even pick up the story for many months, though it was a blockbuster - nor did any of their corporate peers. They are so ensconced in their corporate media privilege that they are most concerned with protecting themselves from any accountability.

      This "anonymous tech" story by the NYT is just more spin trying to lionize their reporter, Judith Miller, who's currenly jailed for refusing to testify to a grand jury. Miller's front page stories about Iraqi WMD, and their imminent threat to the US, were based on anonymous sources, like Ahmad Chalabi, who were only occasionally corroborated, and then with other anonymous sources in conspiracy with him, or with named sources also in conspiracy with him. Those articles sent us to war by scaring Americans into believing the Bush/Cheney bullshit about the threat from Iraq. The Times is hiding behind Deep Throat, an anonymous source that was corroborated (and independently verified) by the Washington Post 30 years ago, when the Times did no such thing. Rather than take the WP example, they are hiding behind an oversimplification to do the exact opposite: protect the White House conspiracy to lie us into war, a conspiracy that either included Miller, or easily used her with the complicity of her unprofessional NYT editors.

      So when the Times starts distracting us with appeals for better anonymous source protection tech, I know what they're doing. They're trying to frame Miller as Woodward, Chalabi as Felt, and therefore Bush (or Cheney - we still don't know the full story) as anything but Nixon. This is a real conspiracy: the kind that Nixon ran with Watergate and Vietnam, the kind that Bush Sr ran with the Savings and Loans and Iran/Contra. If you don't suspect that enough to test it yourself with independent corroboration of your own, you're some kind of coincidence theorist. Since you seem to understand that this White House has lied us into war, and your must know about the NYT support of that war, I'd expect you to be just as insulted by their disingenous flipping the spin, to protect their abuse of anonymous sources. Because it makes it even harder to catch them in their lies, and even easier for them to avoid the corroboration necessary to use those sources professionally.

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    8. Re:Tell The Truth by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      I don't think you give people sufficient credit. Please try to remember that we would never have survived this long if we had been so stupid all along. Ignorance is curable!

      In any competitive sport, if you want to improve your game, you have to play against an opponent who is capable of beating you. Otherwise, you will stagnate, and you may as well retire from competition.

      Radio programmes that play only requests from listeners tend to be as boring as hell, because people only request their current favourite songs. On the other hand, DJs who have some input into their show's output -- e.g. the sadly-missed John Peel -- actually introduce listeners to new music they might never otherwise have thought of. And you would never have had a John Peel or Zane Lowe-type character on GWR. The advertisers {perhaps more strictly, the station bosses who suck up to the advertisers} would never sanction the playing of an "alternative" record. Real new music can nowadays only be found on the BBC, who are not beholden to advertisers. {Independent stations typically don't have a large enough audience, or a long enough broadcasting lifetime, to make a difference.}

      The point is it's a human-nature thing. Day-to-day survival is so well taken care of in modern society that you cannot commit suicide by default. Contrast that with the situation faced by our cave-man ancestors ..... and remember that our bodies and brains still work in more or less exactly the same way: we have all the same instincts, they just manifest themselves a little differently. {Ever felt a 'buzz' because you just bought something cheap? That's your brain releasing a shot of endorphins -- homebrew heroin for want of a better description -- as your chemical reward for helping the tribe survive by being a good hunter-gatherer. Cave-man would have felt the same when his spear struck home, or when he spied the ripe berries.} You can slag off "sheeple" all you like, but that is exactly what everyone is capable of becoming without a bit of a challenge from time to time. Cave-man probably could get comfortable for awhile, if the tribe had a good leader ..... but sooner or later, and certainly before the rot had chance to set in, something would upset the stagnating situation.

      And if the newspapers today are full of shallow material, and the wireless is full of the same six songs, it's not really the fault of the readership and the listeners. The papers and the radio stations have to take some responsibility for engaging their audience or not. They are the modern-day tribal leaders that we are biologically programmed to follow at some level, and have to take responsibility for the fact.

      {Please note: I am not trying to promote authoritarianism over democracy! In a tribe of 20 people, the leadership would have been somewhat flexible according to the activity being performed later at the time. Human beings' specialisation is being able to do anything not quite as well as the best, but better than the worst -- while we cannot climb trees as well as a monkey, we can do so better than a wolf. Within the tribe there would be good hunters, good scouts, good weaponsmiths and so on. In a small group, the cream rises rapidly to the top and leaders are chosen on merit.}

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    9. Re:Tell The Truth by Beebos · · Score: 1

      I don't have a lot of time to repsond today but I wanted to say the following things.

      1) In addition to Judith Miller's bad reporting, the NYT also printed the op-ed pieces by Paul Krugman. These were some of the clearest and most forceful anti-war statements made at the time.

      2) The Times also ran many, many stories that reported on things that showed Bush was lying. It is an enomrous stretch to say that the Times supported the War.

      3)The Times in an extordinary statement itself admitted later that it hadn't done a good job examining the "evidence" that led us to war. Hardly the act of a paper blindly supporting Bush.

      4) Do you know who the nasty corporation who owns the Times is? The New York Times, it is an independant newspaper.

      5) I've been reading the Times for about 22 years now. I just don't recognize the paper you describe. I also read the Wash. Post, The Christian Science Monitor, The Burlington Free Press, Harpers, The Nation, The Independant (U.K.), and scads of webs sites. I also listen to the BBC and NPR. Due to this breadth I get a balanced view of the world that is self correcting when any one source gets it wrong.

      The Times or anyone news source gets things wrong in fact or standards. But if one does the work, one can get a fair view of the world.

      P.S. Don't forget that it was the Times that published The Pentagon Papers.

    10. Re:Tell The Truth by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Since you read the Times' admission that they featured Miller on the front page, and buried the "balance" elsewhere where fewer people would read it, you know that the Times has admitted that they supported the war. Even that apologia was just a way to make people's criticism of the Times harder to make stick even though it is just as valid. Publishing "other views" like Krugman is a way to hedge their bets, create the appearance of "balance" between two sides of a many sided story.

      If I could forget that the Times published the Pentagon Papers, it would be because that was thirty years ago. I happened to have a friend in college whose aunt was in the Times editorial board meeting the year before (1985), when their wire correspondent in Nicaragua started filing "Contra" stories. The Times editorial decision not to cover this serious story was, apparently, "because Americans won't believe it". That kind of convenient declination to cover a real story, because it's difficult, surprising, defines the New York Times, and the rest of the corporate media.

      The NY Times Company is a $3.3B:y corporation, with significant other media holdings. Including 18 other newspapers, 8 TV stations, 2 NY radio stations, etc. The NYT newspaper is hardly "independent" of those other corporate holdings. And of course it's hardly independent of the corporations whose advertisements pay for most of that $3.3B. Then there are the other corporations, owned by NYT shareholders, directed by NYT board members, or otherwise dependent on the way that NYT defines "the news" and "history".

      I've been reading the NYT for about as long as you, along with (occasionally) other NYC newspapers. It's always been obvious to me that they represented the multinational corporate sensibility. But when I was young, I admired that; as I've grown older, I've grown to realize how much that sensibility is at odds with my own, without a multinational corporation of my own to govern my world view. Even when I did have one, for about 4 years in the 1990s bubble, I didn't believe what they said, though I appreciated what their reporting did for the value of my company.

      Since you have such a strong appetite for reading, I suggest you read Chomsky's _Manufacturing Consent_. Even if you dispute his meticulous research, and very clear conclusions, it will give you a chance to consider just how often the Times, and its fellow media corporations, uses the simple "pressure release" of an alternative view of the story, just to enable the majority of their coverage to suit the corporate agenda.

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    11. Re:Tell The Truth by Beebos · · Score: 1

      When I sleep at night "Manufacturing Consent", amoung other Chomsky works, is about 1 foot away from my head. Like most of Professor Chomsky's work I find myself agreeing with him half way, but cannot not follow him over the Socialist cliff he loves to jump over.

      Yes, given that the NYT appeals to the better educated, more upper class reader it does have the scent of the elitism about it, but like no other newspaper in the U.S. it has introduced me to the downtrodden and the weakest the world has to offer. It is the least biased paper and makes the best effort to tell the whole story. You seem to refuse to see that and I can't help you with that.

      I was in a journalism internship at the time of the Contra hub bub and wrote about it for a tiny paper in New Jersey. I was reading the Times every day and am quite certain that it was chock-full of reporting about the BS Reagan and Casey were feeding us. It is because of the Times that I grew to reject US support of the Contras.

      Whatever its problems in reporting the Iraq War, one could have read only the Times and figured out that the war was a load of crap. Krugman was one of the lone voices criticizing the war. You don't want to give them that and that's why you seem silly to me. Name another paper that was so self critical of their own performance.

      It seems to me that from your perspective there are so many other news sources to be mad at before you get to the Times e.g. Fox News, CNBC, MSNBC, The Wall Street Journal, the Washington Times, U.S. News and World Report or the Economist.

    12. Re:Tell The Truth by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      In point of fact, I'm disgusted with all of them. I understand that these media are not just a source of news for me, from which I select the stories that I believe are consistent. These media are also the sources of news for practically everyone in America. Which means the proportions, the "big picture", of their overall presentation is extremely important, in defining the overall view of the people with whom I share the country. Which therefore defines the country.

      Running a "lone voice against the war", telling the truth, as "balance" to the lies running on the front page and throughout the paper, is a sham. Your personal experience with journalism and the Times has made you look for any reason to continue to trust the paper, rather than look at the ways it manipulates. I note that you continue to use personal attacks, like calling me "silly", which betrays your insecurity at having your faith in the Times challenged. I haven't insulted you, I have criticized a newspaper by citing facts. Even their abdication of journalistic responsibility with early Contra reports that I mentioned gets spin from you: the Times reporting started only long after the editorial board episode I cited. Once Eugene Hasenfus was shot down over Nicaragua, and other media covered the Nicaraguan video press conference with Hasenfus, handcuffed, admitting he was CIA, the Times had to keep up with the story. Or lose the kind of credibility they've got from people like you, which enables them to spin serious problems into "business as usual".

      You read _Manufacturing Consent_, and your better half understood the story. You read the Times, and your better half understood the Contras were a criminal enterprise run by an out of control gang in the government. You read the Times, and agree with Krugman. But you don't connect that the people perpetrating this Iraq war are the same people who perpetrated the Nicaragua war, the same people who assisted their elder generation in Watergate and the "Pentagon Papers" crimes. Why don't you get over your buzzword fear of Chomsky's "Socialism", stop calling me "silly", and start listening to your better half? Then you might actually use the worthwhile journalism to learn something, maybe change some minds of your own. Rather than just "keeping up with the news" as a form of entertainment and cheap satisfaction of your urge to know, which gets you nowhere. Trophies, like _Manfacturing Consent_ on your wall, and in your wastebasket, that represent nothing but missed opportunities to understand the real story.

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  58. Anonymous sources, registered readers by Golden_Eternity · · Score: 1

    Anyone else find it ironic that they're looking to set up this anonymous communication system and yet they require registration to read their site?

    1. Re:Anonymous sources, registered readers by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Anyone else find it ironic that they're looking to set up this anonymous communication system and yet they require registration to read their site?

      Why would that be ironic? They have nothing to do with each other. The NYT is willing to let you read the content that they very expensively produce, and they've got some strings attached to that free (as in beer) service. Don't like it? Put $0.50 in one of those newspaper vending machines and get the dead tree version. Newspapers are not public services, they're private sector companies producing a product which they sell (well, to products, actually: advertising space, and subscriptions/o-t-c sales).

      I'm continually amazed that people think it's somehow ... mean? evil? "corporate?" ... for a company that's not charging you anything to have a say in how you access the stuff for which they're not charging you. It's not like the NYT is some crazy little backwoods UFO newsletter that's desparate for one more reader (so they can double their audience). It's a business. There wouldn't be so many links to major newspaper sites if they didn't have something useful to offer. All of those inane bloggers would get all the traffic if they had anything like the reporting and analytical resources that a professional news company has. So, no, it's not ironic.

      Now, ironic is the concept of journalists looking for a way to keep anonymous sources so anonymous that, essentially, there's no way to make a distinction between a real source and an NYT reporter just BSing (which has certainly happened).

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  59. It goes to the heart of news *cough* ethics... by suitepotato · · Score: 2, Insightful

    *ack*

    I can't say that with straight face and without choking.

    Anyhow, if sources are so anonymous that they cannot be verified as to identity by the news people, and when has this ever stopped them, then how do we ever know it isn't some geek with a crude sense of humor who has managed to master nym and mixmaster remailers?

    If they are known by the reporters, then the court order comes into play and they can testify or go to jail. That simple. We're not talking lawyer-client or doctor-patient or married couples here, we are talking about quite plainly, people whose entire job it is to print the most sensational things in their area that they can to sell newspapers and increase paying readership. Not saving people from the noose, not saving people's lives, not keeping a marriage together.

    I place reporter-source privilege on the same level as that of gossip-mongers in my own neighborhood and as much importance on it. Reporters say their profession is about truth and facts. Well truth is ephemeral and in the mind of the person at hand and facts things that people may very well ignore in choosing their truth for themselves. If they want to be so high and mighty, let them put out verifiable bonafide facts and cut down the use of anonymous sources.

    If news people see it as needing some way to circumvent court orders using encryption, then how trustworthy can it be? Sounds more like shielding their backsides and giving themselves greater latitude in abusing "anonymous sources" which they do too frequently these days as it is. Let them start acting ethical and aboveboard in the fourth estate to begin with and not looking for ways to cover their behinds.

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    1. Re:It goes to the heart of news *cough* ethics... by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 1
      I place reporter-source privilege on the same level as that of gossip-mongers in my own neighborhood and as much importance on it.

      Reporter-Source privilege is fundamental to an effective democracy. The media is another check and balance on the government. Whistleblowers are the unsung heros of our government, keeping an eye on government abuse. If you worked with some government agency and witnessed the torture of 'enemy combatants' and wanted to put a stop to it, would you go to the boss, who probably authorized the torture, to stop it? Failing that, do you put morals aside and do your job, or call in the media to stop them. Obviously you are at some risk if your name is revealed, so you speak without giving your real name. Perhaps the reporter knows, but if the government wants to force the name out of them so they can jail whoever 'comprimised national security' by leaking information, wouldn't you like to remain anonymous?

      Anonymous sources can be abused, but they are also needed to protect people from those in power who are abusing it.

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    2. Re:It goes to the heart of news *cough* ethics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you worked with some government agency and witnessed the torture of 'enemy combatants' and wanted to put a stop to it, would you go to the boss, who probably authorized the torture, to stop it?

      Apparently, yes. The abuses at Abu Ghraib were exposed on January 13th, when Joseph Darby, a young military policeman assigned to Abu Ghraib, reported the wrongdoing to the Army's Criminal Investigations Division. He also turned over a CD full of photographs. Within three days, a report made its way to Donald Rumsfeld, who informed President Bush.

  60. Trust is the issue more than technology by geekee · · Score: 1

    See this article. Cooper's source was revealed because Time editors chose to reveal that source, against Cooper's wishes, in accordance with a Supreme Court ruling. Cooper should not have trusted his editors, if he really wanted to protect his source. No amount of technological security will help if you are betrayed by your own people.

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    1. Re:Trust is the issue more than technology by CthulhuDreamer · · Score: 1

      Undercover CIA agents feel the same way: No amount of technological security will help if you are betrayed by your own people.

    2. Re:Trust is the issue more than technology by geekee · · Score: 1

      "Undercover CIA agents feel the same way: No amount of technological security will help if you are betrayed by your own people."

      Exactly. Security starts with figuring out who you can trust.

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    3. Re:Trust is the issue more than technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Trust" is a euphemism for "security against this threat is infeasible". It should come last in the design process, not first.

  61. What is going on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the looks of this and the previous post on the main page, it seems like the Slashdot mods have all gone to take a nap. Seriously, what's going on? How can nobody get modded up? Or are trolls to blame?

  62. removing traces of wired comm is impossible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Re-read the patriot act. It basically gives the DOJ/Homeland/DOD the same capabilities as NSA/CIA. One of those, is the ability to listen in on ALL wired (including fibered) comm here in the USA.

    If you do not believe it, then ask why homeland security busted a 1000 gang members this weekend? How would a group who was concerned with terrorist know so much about common thugs?Do you honestly think that was from human intel via military people?

    No, it will now be much easier for the current admin to know exactly what is going on in Amerika.

  63. Ulimate Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Morse code with laser pointers in the desert!

  64. Simple Solution...not really by AviLazar · · Score: 1

    Some might say: Setup a submission form, give the source a tracking number (reference number for the submission), and then delete the logs every hour so there is no IP trace.

    But this is where the solution doesn't work: Reporters have to be able to verify their sources. To make sure it isn't a quack. If it is completely anonymous - what is to stop me from sending a note saying I am a top White-House aid and I got the inside scoop?

    IMHO if the data given involves national security (i.e. the name of an undercover CIA agent), compromises peoples lives then the newspaper should be held morally and legally responsible to NOT publish it - and in fact must contact the department this is reporting on. At the very least to give some kind of warning. Stuff like whistleblowing is covered under the Whistle Blower laws - but risking someones life (i.e. that CIA agent who was made public) is wrong. We know there are spooks, and they work. If you do not like the idea of undercover ops then stop it at the system level - have it made illegal...but to risk someones life is inexcuseable.

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  65. Using technology to protect anonymous sources by legirons · · Score: 1

    How can a newspaper setup an IT system that completely hides every trace (including emails, phone calls notes, logs and so forth) of an anonymous source's identity?"

    (a) Make the whole frigging website accessible by HTTPS. That way, someone looks like they're reading the news, so far as a network sniffer is concerned.

    (b) Stop requiring people to register their full name, age, occupation, and list of health problems before reading your website. Somehow, I think the New York Times missed this lesson.

    (c) Stop logging. By which I mean, your website doesn't set cookies and apache doesn't log IP addresses. You don't get the "average length of visit" on your web stats, but who cares anyway?!?

    (d) Allow feedback. Someone wants to comment on a story, they will. You might call them an anonymous whistleblower, but it's just comments on a story, so far as your website is concerned.

    (c2) Check your ISP. Check their 'we'll squeal without prompting' policy. Then move your website to XS4ALL.

  66. How does a journalist know a source is trustworthy by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    In the real world this surely happens over time, it's makes sense for a number of pieces of information to be traded to build the relationship.

    Does it matter if the source is idenfied as Anonymous#104928 rather than their name - so long as the journalist can depend that Anonymous#104928 is the same person each time then the same relationship can be established.

  67. Ask Bob Woodward by Ricdude · · Score: 1

    To this day, he has no idea how Mark "Deep Throat" Felt sent messages to him in his morning paper.

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  68. Best protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't require a login?

  69. Get your sourct to post as AC on slashdot. by team99parody · · Score: 1

    This Anon Coward guy seems pretty smart, so I think Journalists should just listen to him.

  70. This is an easy one... by MrPanda · · Score: 1

    Paper + fire = secure

  71. Who Cares? by aardwolf64 · · Score: 1

    With full anonymity, a white house staffer's word means nothing more than the average schmoe on the street. For the information to have value, someone needs to know the identity of the source. Once that has happened, full anonymity isn't possible.

  72. the best tech is low tech by talipdx · · Score: 1

    carrier pigeons.... the prosectors will never suspect!

  73. missing the point of anonymous source by LOTHAR,+of+the+Hill · · Score: 1

    When an article calls a source anonymous, The reporter knows who the source is, but keeps the source anonymous to protect the privacy and safety of the source. Journalists can't write a reliable article if they don't know who the source of the info, otherwise they have no way of knowing the accuracy of the information they receive. Not many journalists want to end up looking like Dan Rather.

  74. Trust by rbanffy · · Score: 1

    If the journalist knows who the source is, technology makes no difference - the journalist must surrender this information to authorities or risk the consequences (at least in the current state of affairs).

    If the journalist knows nothing about the source, how can it be trusted?

  75. Complicated by N8F8 · · Score: 1

    On the one hand the editors need to verify sources to prevent the kinds of made-up-story scandals of the last decade and on the other sources need to be protected.

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  76. And the next question is... by rewt66 · · Score: 1

    How, once you have hidden every trace of an anonymous source's identity, and someone contacts you claiming to by the same anonymous source, how do prove (even to yourself) that they are or are not?

    The source could take care of this by telling you a code word that would appear in the next communication. The reporter could also tell the source what code word to use next (unless the source was using a one-way communication channel such as a letter or an e-mail with a forged header).

    Other than such a mechanism, though... how could you tell?

    1. Re:And the next question is... by lxs · · Score: 1

      How, once you have hidden every trace of an anonymous source's identity, and someone contacts you claiming to by the same anonymous source, how do prove (even to yourself) that they are or are not?

      One solution:

      Let the source supply a public key in the first message, and sign each subsequent message.

      pgp / gpg can be used for this purpose.

  77. Anonymous Email by Xampper · · Score: 1

    There are a number of web-based anonymous email solutions which newspapers could provide their clients with. One example is the anonymous email script at http://attachesoft.com/.

  78. Whistleblower laws? by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

    Aren't there whistleblower laws that protect individuals who leak information about crimes committed by organizations they work for?

  79. You keep using that word - ironic by DECS · · Score: 1

    I don't think it means what you think it means.

    NYT makes money from reporting news, so they want to make sure their news sources will keep providing them news, hence the need for anonymity.

    NYT makes money from readership, and knowing who those readers are, hence the registration.

    It would be ironic if a NYT reporter spent a lot of effort facilitating anonmous sources and then...

    couldn't look up his source because he'd hidden it too well.
    or
    absent mindedly published the source anyway.

    That's ironic. Having a use for both anonymous sources and registered readers is not ironic. It's obvious and expected.

  80. adopt academic research strategies by bigbigbison · · Score: 1

    Keeping anonymoty is something that academics have been working on for a while. The first thing the human subjects review board asks you is if you intend to keep your research subjects anonymous.
    so things like double coding of names where two or more people change the names so that there is no way to know how subject X is.
    Another is to just not know their names in the first place.
    Destroying the evidence is another common tactic which means destroying all the personally identifiable data as soon as the research is published.

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  81. The hard part by j00bar · · Score: 1

    The hard part is not using technology to anonymize sources; that's something that can be straighforwardly done using any of the darknets out there. What's hard is that sources should never remain anonymous from reporters. We trust reporters to screen out the authentic/useful information from the fluff. Even if a reporter doesn't print the name of a source, they must know the identity to be able to ascertain the credibility and the motivations of the source providing the information. It is precisely the reporter's ability to create an informed opinion that makes them worthy of being printed, and pure anonymity deprives the press of that ability. -jag

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  82. well, for one thing... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

    Well, for one thing, they should clean their own house, like DEMANDING a logon to read their stories online...

  83. Remailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as already mentioned. A chain of at least 3 random. They are fiddly for newbies, the mixmaster cl client is not hard to use but it seems to require running a mail server as i remember.

    There are other clients QuickSilver for Windows and an old one called Jack B Nymble which has a GUI (Windows). I think you still need Mixmaster installed with these.

    There is nothing else that really comes too close to be honest. Not TOR, or any proxy will offer the level of security a chain of remailers can if used properly.

    Mixmaster is the current standard (more secure than Cypherpunk) and Mixminion is the next proposed standard.

    Also avoid any remailers that use the optional and controversial hashcash thing.

  84. Anonymously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Most anonymous systems on the internet today revolve around large groups of people coming together to act as one, thus hiding the individual identities of the set. Much work has been done on the subject academically, but there are not a large number of good solutions out there. You can create "nyms" and use "Mixes" to send anonymous e-mail (which accept large volumes of anonymous e-mail, stripping header information, sending everything out randomized in bulk, possibly to another Mix). A system called Onion Routing (the current version is called Tor, I think) has been implemented to do the same for TCP/IP traffic. You can surf anonymously by using a Java program called WebMIX which is an HTTP proxy which connects you to a group of people through which your traffic is channeled. Perhaps there are other systems out there, it's been a while since I last looked.

    A good overview of anonymous protocols (for the academically inclined) is given here.

  85. Mixmaster by Hamfist · · Score: 1

    Forget about phone calls and other written records. Just insist that all of your messages with the source go through Mixmaster.

  86. Math != Science by XanC · · Score: 1
    There aren't any unknown biases involving mathematical theorems and statements. They're either true or they're not; they can be checked by anybody who reads the papers.

    The same isn't true for science (or indeed journalism), where the biases of a source can affect the information presented, and should be investigated.

  87. Personally I don't see how this is possible by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is not primarily an issue of preventing evesdropping. That is not hard. It is not a problem of controlling access.

    The bigger problem is not defeating a technological threat. It is a problem with defeating a court order. If anyone has access to the information (including the original reporter) then this information can be dubject to subpoena (IANAL). To my knowledge court orders don't tend to be defeated by some brand new technological system used. Even the reporter's recollection and testamony could be subpoenad. And if you hide things from the editorial staff, what sort of quality control do you get?

    Use the right tool for the job. To defeat a technological threat, use a technological countermeasure. To defeat a legal threat, hire the best attourney. Better yet, don't enter into confidentiality agreements with those who are pursuing their own nefarious goals such as Carl Rove. Protecting whistleblowers is one thing. Protecting those in power as they seek revenge against those who dispute facts with them however is not nearly the same thing. A better way of handling this in order to have a good defensive position is to make sure that every reporter who may enter into such an agreement is given legal and editorial advice beforehand.

    Just my lay opinion.

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    1. Re:Personally I don't see how this is possible by bessel · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised that hiding or rather preventing all evidence is not illegal in the first place. There should be (and are) technological ways to keep informants anonymous (could be as simple as not logging IP addresses that connect to a site). However, without knowing who the informants are, how can you be sure of the validity of the information? It is a catch-22. Without knowing who the informant is, in most cases you cannot differentiate between a nut case, someone that wants to be anonymously famous and someone with very good insider information.

    2. Re:Personally I don't see how this is possible by RCulpepper · · Score: 1

      No technological countermeasures are going to keep a source's identity from being known to the reporter himself, and for that reporter a refusal to testify could be damning. It wouldn't be difficult, however, to set up a system to circumvent court orders to turn over documents or files.

      A previous poster mentioned serving the data from offshore. This is a good start, but there's nothing to stop a court from ordering you to access the data and turn it over. Better would be for the EFF, perhaps, and a consortium of newspapers to hire an attorney to watch over the data and give him discretion to withhold it from the owners of the data. Having an explicit agreement to turn over the data could be construed, perhaps, as obstructing justice before the fact (which would be an interesting case to try), but trusting the host's judgement with a wink and a nod could solve a lot of issues. As long as you have control over the data, it's your ass on the line. As soon as you relinquish it, it's somebody else's problem. And if that somebody else is out of the jurisdiction, it's nobody's problem.

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    3. Re:Personally I don't see how this is possible by yali · · Score: 1

      I think there is a real, though limited, technological side to this.

      The technological goal would be to turn the reporter (and maybe the editor) into a "choke point" for information. That way, responsibility is concentrated in the hands of the journalists, who can decide whether to go to jail to protect a source. Prosecutors cannot do an end-run by seizing equipment or by subpoenaing IT staff, who may be less willing than reporters to go to jail on principle.

    4. Re:Personally I don't see how this is possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No technological countermeasures are going to keep a source's identity from being known to the reporter himself

      Why not? If I use my notebook on an open WAP and send mail directly to the recipients mail server from a fake address - how exactly would it not be completely unknown to anyone and everyone?

  88. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  89. AnonymousNews.org by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    Make a news website in a neutral foreign country that will accommodate this sort of journalism..

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  90. huzzah! by sparr0w · · Score: 1

    Onion routing to the rescue!

  91. Anonymous But Real? by Josuah · · Score: 1

    I think the better question is how to make sure the source is legitimate while maintaining its anonyminity? (Is that a word?) I'm not sure I have an answer to that.

  92. anonymity vs. credibility by G4from128k · · Score: 1

    Technological anonymity does not address all the vulnerabilities of the system because the identity of the source is also stored in the mind of the journalist. In fact, I suspect that technological security is an iron padlock on a paper house -- the human factors/social engineering issues create some severe vulnerabilities in the system. If the government can threaten or actually imprison a journalist over sources, then encrypted HDs aren't going to be much of a defense. As long as the journalist can ID the source, the system is very vulnerable.

    The problem is that journalists really can't use unverified sources -- it's to easy to be either wrong, manipulated, or both as Dan Rather can attest to.

    The real trick would be to accomplish both credibility and anonymity. Somehow the journalist needs to both know the source well enough to be sure that they are credible and yet not know the source well enough to ID them. Then they can add whatever encryption/obfuscation they want because none of the vulnerable information lies in a human mind.

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  93. Thats easy... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    how newspapers are looking for new ways to hide the identities of anonymous sources from prosecutors.

          Just make up the sources and stories as you go along? Oh, wait...

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  94. Anonymous remailers by cybergrue · · Score: 1
    How about including a list of anonymous email forwarding servers (preferably in another country) on the contact page. If they wanted to get fancy, they could include a section or page on how to use anonymous email if the user doen't trust the list given.

    Then again, a typewritten letter stuffed in an envelope with no return address and correct postage is probably just as secure.

  95. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  96. Re:How does a journalist know a source is trustwor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm... That would mean data records of their original identity (in some way) would have to be maintained. This is really no different than registering for a forum (real name, email address, etc) under the name PoopyPants47Killa. All the admin has to do is look at the database for your username and find your email address, ip address, full name, etc... Nothing is anon. about the system you described.

  97. Not that easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most solutions mentioned by fellow slashdotters so far suffer from two problems:

    1. Credibility. The reporter must be able to determine that the source is credible. A reporter has to either meet his informant face to face to verify that he's actually somebody who has access to the information that he's trying to share, or has to be able to identify that messages claiming to be sent from the informer are actually from the informer. After certain amount of reliable information he has a good reason to trust the source. Public key encryption should come handy here, but who knows how many bits the US government can crack? For all I know they can divide large numbers in polynomial time.

    2. The Patriot Act. Let's say a source decides to anonymously post his information on a public site. Just like I'm posting at an Anonymous Coward. Let's also say the site does not keep logs of IP addresses, etc. After a successful post or two the hosting company will get a visit from the FBI. Using the Patriot Act they'll force them to track all anonymous posts and not to tell the readers that they are doing so. Anybody remember the UCLA fighting this exact same case in NY?

    I can think of a few techy ways to remain semi-anonymous as long as I limit my postings, but I doubt an average computer user will be able to do that.

  98. FreeNet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post your dirty details and evidence into the FreeNet and then send the link/key anonymously your journalist contact.

    Or, hell - do you care WHICH media outlet reports it?

    Drop the key/link into a public newsgroup or forum, using an anonymizer via some other terminal or connection point.

    After all, if you are trully interested in blowing the lid on something - who cares which outlet gets it, right?

  99. the thing is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thing is, an anonymous source should not be anonymous to the reporter. The reporter need to know enough about the source to determine that they are credible. Then the reporter need to maintain the confidentiality of the source.

  100. What about government snoopers? by theakston · · Score: 1

    I don't know if the government has high-tech snoopers (but I bet they do judging by the chatter about internet wire-taps), but won't they carefully monitor the traffic any site/page that might get an potentially damaging insider tip/leak?

    1. Re:What about government snoopers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the whole point of remailers is that you can't trace the origin of mail sent with them (even if multiple nodes are compromised and with traffic analysis) and you can't read the contents of the mail en route.

      The best bet a government could do would be to monitor the inbox of the nytimes (as they probably do anyway) but they won't be able to tie the contents of any whistleblowing message to an originating person if the message is via the Mixmaster network

  101. how can technology be more secure than a human? by comicnerd · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that both the strongest and the weakest link in this chain is the person or people who know the source's identity. Why bother messing with all the technology when it's still going to come down to putting a reporter on the stand and demanding information? In the end it comes down to (as the article suggests) the level of civil disobedience the reporter wants to exercise.

  102. abuse of anonymous sources by slashdotnickname · · Score: 1

    A more important question is why do so many of today's news stories depend on anonymous sources? I understand there might be times where anonimity is necessary for safety reasons, but what the recent CBS bogus documents scandal and the Rove/Plume story show is that many of these anonymous sources have doubious credibility and/or self-serving motives for what they say. How is keeping these sources secret providing any kind of quality news? Facts and their sources should be as disclosed as possible to let the public decide what is going on. This concern over wanting to protect sources from prosecution is just a ruse from the New York Times to draw attention away from their lazy hush-hush gossip style journalism.

  103. Reporter cellphone + source payphone by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    == anonymity.

    Make award payment for the story lead payable to CASH.

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  104. Re:How does a journalist know a source is trustwor by stratjakt · · Score: 1

    Good journalists do it by fact-checking and looking for corroborating evidence in each individual story, regardless of how long they've personally known the source.

    Not all "journalists" are of the CmdrTaco variety who just post whatever shit arrived in his inbox as "teh Newz!".

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  105. Total anonymity not good by Mirri · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've heard an interview with Bob Woodward where specifically said that he told his editor who his source was and that he thinks that the editor should know who a reporter's source is. It is a check and balance that leads to an internal accountability. Something which avoids the problems we've seen in the press lately of reporters claiming anonymous source when its really a completely fictitious sources. Doesn't the complete anonymity being talked about here lead more easily toward that kind of abuse?

  106. Re:You keep using that word - ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pompous (adj.)

          1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
          2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
          3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous occasion.

    [Middle English, from Old French pompeux, from Late Latin pompsus, from Latin pompa, pomp. See pomp.]pomposity (-ps-t) or pompousness (-ps-ns) n.
    pompously adv.

    Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
    Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
    Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

    pompous

    adj : puffed up with vanity; "a grandiloquent and boastful manner"; "overblown oratory"; "a pompous speech"; "pseudo-scientific gobbledygook and pontifical hooey"- Newsweek [syn: grandiloquent, overblown, pontifical, portentous]

    Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

  107. They have you, what more do they need? by Digital+Thrills · · Score: 1
    It's silly to talk about technology solving this problem from one side, protecting the anonymity of the source for an article. If the "law enforcement" goons can get to the reporter that's all they need.

    They will march the reporter up before the judge and the judge will tell the reporter to reveal the source for an article. The reporter refuses and the judge says, "30 days, contempt of court."

    They haul the reporter off for a 30 day stay in the local jail and bring them back before the judge who again tells them to reveal their source. Guess what happens if they refuse this time? Yip, another 30 days in the local clink. The reporter could effectively serve a life sentence for not revealing their source. Guess which side is more likely to give up first?

    The only way technology could solve this problem is if it provided a way to keep the source AND the reporter totally anonymous AND no one else knows who the reporter or the source are. This scenario would provide a lot of protection for all involved, but if the newspaper doesn't know any of the parties involved with the story, they couldn't safely run the story.

    1. Re:They have you, what more do they need? by Jestrzcap · · Score: 1

      isn't there a press shield law to prevent this sort of thing?

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    2. Re:They have you, what more do they need? by Digital+Thrills · · Score: 1

      Ask http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/06/reporters.contem pt/ New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

  108. Rubberhose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately the site www.rubberhose.org is gone..

    [First they came for goatse.cx....]

    But it can also be found under the name Marutukku. It might be a little overkill of course. And there's always rot-13

  109. Utterly useless idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Truly anonymous sources lead to garbage news. Remember the bogus "Koran in the toilet" story? (Of course, Muslims are allowed to riot and kill if the Koran goes in the toilet. Christians have to tolerate the US government funding of Piss Christ because, well, they're Christians, but I digress...)

    If a reporter can't judge the credibility of a source because he doesn't know who it is and the background behind the information, the story will be guaranteed to be garbage. And if the reporter does know who the source is, all the technical obfuscation won't protect him.

    Ask Judith Miller.

  110. Use Maxtor HDs by keyrat+rafa · · Score: 2, Funny

    By the time they come asking where the sources came from, all the data will be gone.

    1. Re:Use Maxtor HDs by Eskimore_ · · Score: 1

      I've got 3 maxtor HD's that have been running flawlessly, for more than 3 years, without a problem. I expect them to run for much much longer as well.

  111. AC news sources? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymnity is for cowards, not news sources.

  112. The problem is... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

    That, if there is no way to tell who your source is, your source is worthless.

    It's one thing to get an anonymous tip that says, "Such and such person is involved in such and such illegal activity and if you look in such and such a place you will find proof." This is information that can be backed up in the real world, and it is irrelevant who lets you know about it.

    But you can't print factual information gathered from an anonymous source for the simple reason that the anonymous source might be some sort of whacko, and you'd end up looking like a moron.

    Half the time the reporter already knows what they're looking for, because, whenever theres an issue, a dozen people will hint about it under the table, but until you get someone who is in a position to know to go on record and say it, all you get is the kind of crap Fox News spouts which is 50% innuendo and 50% sensationalism. That may be good enough for TV, but if print starts spouting crap like that, they end up as the National Enquirer.

    The long an short of it is, if your reporter can't find out enough about the source to tell if the information is reliable enough to print, then they can't use the source anyway.

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  113. latex gloves, pencil, paper, and the u.s. mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    use as few electrons as possible.

  114. reasonably simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    The newspaper makes the following rule: anyone can mail anything to the newspaper anonymously.
    Or drop it in an unwatched depository box.
    The material should be accompanied by a 10-digit random key, which the anonymous poster uses on every submission. After receiving a few postings from the same person, the newspaper can have a look at them and if they are credible, begin to investigate the allegations. The newspaper never knows the name of the poster, only the key, which it keeps secret to prevent imposters from riding on the original poster's credibility. Anonymous posters can vouch for other anonymous posters by playing tricks with nested envelopes.

    (Posted anonymously by 3141592653).

  115. Even easier... by ravind · · Score: 1
    Outsource it :D

    Seriously though...set up a call center/secretary (with an emphasis on "secret") in a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US. Let all anonymous sources go through there. If the reporter is hauled to court, s/he can honestly state where s/he got the information from and the authorities cannot pursue it any further.

    1. Re:Even easier... by demigod · · Score: 1
      Good idea, but then again, what about ECHELON. The NSA will have the info.

      Getting them to give it up will depend on who you are and how connected you are.

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      Major Major
  116. Not a technical problem by mitchskin · · Score: 1

    Reporters and editors need to know who the source is to decide whether or not to write about what they say. Otherwise they'd be publishing all kinds of false-but-plausible stuff from cranks. If the reporters and editors know, a court can order them to testify. No amount of fancy software can eliminate that risk.

  117. Change of methodology by JeffTL · · Score: 1

    Ask that anonymous sources do a dead drop in an unmonitored location on a piece of paper that has been run through a typewriter and handled with rubber gloves.

    Then you don't know who your sources are, you just went down to one of your tip deposit locations and picked up an envelope. There are no tracking signatures, nothing digital, no handwriting, no fingerprints, and no information about the source except what the source wants you to know at the source's own peril.

    IANAL, FWIW.

  118. It can't by NekoXP · · Score: 1

    It's against the law pretty much, isn't it?

    The easiest way is to meet sources in person. Exchange notes on paper that can
    be burned etc. - email, phone etc. are all easily federally obtainable and
    destroying such records will land journalists and newspapers in serious trouble if
    I understand it correctly.

    However there is no law about not telling someone you talked to someone else, or
    throwing a post-it in the trash.

    Neko

  119. The Big Dodge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is nothing more than a feeble attempt by the media to shirk responsibility for their own work. "Protect me from myself" should be reserved for people who can't care for themselves.

    Besides, if the identity of the source is completely shielded from the reporter, how will they assign credibility/reputation to the information? Does the tin foil helmet crowd now command the same level of credibility as do normal people?

  120. Anonymous needs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simply cross your name out, like this: John

  121. Off The Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Off-the-Record (OTR) Messaging allows you to have private conversations over instant messaging by providing:

    Encryption
            No one else can read your instant messages.
    Authentication
            You are assured the correspondent is who you think it is.
    Deniability
            The messages you send do not have digital signatures that are checkable by a third party. Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified.
    Perfect forward secrecy
            If you lose control of your private keys, no previous conversation is compromised.

    http://www.xelerance.com/mirror/otr/, and a plugin of the same for GAIM: http://osx.freshmeat.net/projects/otr/

  122. Anonymous sources aren't truly anonymous by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

    The point of anonymous sources is that they are not anonymous to the reporter and editor -- only to those who would do harm to the source for coming forward. The validity of an anonymous source is determined, in great part, by who they are.

    If the reporter can't tell the difference between some paranoid fantasy from jimbo who works at mcdonalds and the inside scoop from one of the cabinet members, then at best the anonymous source is just a hint at where to look for actual proof/evidence and probably just random noise that will waste the time of the reporter.

    As long as the reporter knows who the source is, he can be legally ordered to reveal the source's identity. So that's the catch-22, and all the technobabble about cryptographically secure anonymous communication won't do a thing to fix the underlying problem.

  123. another simple solution by alw53 · · Score: 1

    Use terminally-ill people in hospice care to redact the names, replacing them with unique identifiers before handing them over to reporters.

  124. That link does not say what you say it says by Savantissimo · · Score: 1
    I read your source.

    The bit I think you are referring to does not mean what you say it does:

    BLITZER: But the other argument that's been made against you is that you've sought to capitalize on this extravaganza, having that photo shoot with your wife, who was a clandestine officer of the CIA, and that you've tried to enrich yourself writing this book and all of that.

    What do you make of those accusations, which are serious accusations, as you know, that have been leveled against you?

    WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.

    In other words she had been outed, thus she was no longer clandestine. The interview continues:

    BLITZER: But she hadn't been a clandestine officer for some time before that?

    WILSON: That's not anything that I can talk about. And, indeed, I'll go back to what I said earlier, the CIA believed that a possible crime had been committed, and that's why they referred it to the Justice Department.

    He can't talk about specifics that touch on still-classified information. But he can say that the CIA believed a crime had been committed and let you draw your own conclusions.

    Earlier in the article he repeated another statement by the CIA which makes it even more clear that Plame was an undercover CIA officer:

    BLITZER: And you've denied that your wife was the one who came up with the idea to send you

    WILSON: It's not so much that I've denied it. It was the CIA itself that denied it a week after the Novak article came out, well before I was ever in a position to acknowledge that my wife worked for the CIA.

    And indeed, regrettably, the staff at the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence did not call the CIA to find out their official position. But a year before, "Newsday" reporters Knut Royce and Tim Phelps did, and this is what the CIA told them:

    "A senior intelligence officer confirmed that Plame was a Directorate of Operations undercover officer who worked alongside the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger. But he said she did not recommend her husband to undertake the Niger assignment.

    "They" -- the officers who did ask Wilson to check the uranium story -- "were aware of who she was married to, which is not surprising. There are people elsewhere in the government who are trying to make her look like she was the one who was cooking this up for some reason. I can't figure out who it would be."

    Just for fun here are some more quotes from the same interview demonstrating that it is ridiculous to believe that Wilson is a Democratic stooge or that Karl Rove was not trying to smear Plame:

    BLITZER:Let's talk a little bit about the politics of this. On September 30, 2003, you were quoted in the "Washington Post" as saying, "at the end of the day, it's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs."

    That's almost two years ago you were saying Karl Rove should be arrested. On the basis of what were you saying it then?

    WILSON: Well, it was a statement that I'd made at a meeting in Seattle. And as my wife later told me, she thought I'd gone a little over the top, so I took the handcuffs off. But I believed then and I believe now that -- and I know that Karl Rove was, in fact, engaged in pushing the Novak story, including calling a reporter and saying, "Wilson's wife is fair game."

    I find that to be an outrageous abuse of power from a senior White House official, certainly worthy of frog-marching out of the White House. In handcuffs? Probably not. Out of handcuffs? Certainly.

    BLITZER: But you don't want to name that reporter who told you that?

    WILSON: It was Chris Matthews of "Hardball."

    BLITZER: He

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  125. Submission Server using Linux by jmazzi · · Score: 0

    Setup a server to accept submissions. Turn off all logging, or put a strict log purge policy in place. So keep only the last 24 hours for finding problems in the system etc.

    Then turn off syslog or setup your conf like this:

    *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none /dev/null
    authpriv.* /dev/null
    local0.notice;local0.debug;mail.*;mail.none;mail.i nfo;local0.info /dev/null
    cron.* /dev/null
    kern.* /dev/null
    *.emerg /dev/null
    uucp,news.crit /dev/null
    local7.* /dev/null
    local4.* /dev/null

  126. Set up an offshore wire service by davidwr · · Score: 1

    New York Crimes: "New York Crimes, how may I help you."
    Anonymous Coward: "I have a story about the mayor."
    NYC: "Let me transfer you to the City Desk."
    NYC City Desk: "Hello, what can I do for you."
    AC: "I have a story about the Mayor, but I need to remain anonymous."
    NYCCD: "I'm sorry, we don't allow anonymous reporters, but I know this paper in the Cayman Islands that we occasionally buy stories from, their number is ...."
    AC: "Thank you"

    Later that day:

    Cayman Islands Inquisitor: "Hello, New York Crimes City Desk"
    NYCCD: "Oh, hi again, thanks for that last story on the Governor, we sold a lot of papers with it, do you have a new story for me today?" .....

    Assuming there's no caller ID on incoming calls to the NYCrimes, and that the offshore wire service is immune from US subpeonas, you are in business.

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  127. Please inform the special prosecutor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Since you obviously have information not available to anyone else about whether or not a crime was committed.

    Considering that Plame was last overseas undercover in 1997 and the name became public in 2003 (and it may very well not have been leaked considering Joe Wilson's wife is listed in "Who's Who"...), it would be a bit hard to break a law with a five-year limit, now wouldn't it?

    You need to read Plame's Lame Game and A Nutty Little Law.

    Some excerpts:

    Two recent reports allow us to revisit one of the great non-stories, and one of the great missed stories, of the Iraq war argument. The non-story is the alleged martyrdom of Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Wilson, supposed by many to have suffered cruel exposure for their commitment to the truth. The missed story is the increasing evidence that Niger, in West Africa, was indeed the locus of an illegal trade in uranium ore for rogue states including Iraq.

    and

    The Intelligence Identities Protection Act, notionally violated by this disclosure, is a ridiculous piece of legislation to begin with. It relies in practice on a high standard of proof, effectively requiring that the government demonstrate that someone knowingly intended to divulge the identity of an American secret agent operating under cover, with the intention of harming that agent.

    Note that under the law in question, for a crime to have been committed - even if the five-year limitation weren't exceeded - the leaker would have to knowingly leak the information with the purpose of causing harm to the agent. Simply leaking the name to providie proof positive that her husband is a liar wouldn't make the leak a crime.

    Get over your hatred of all things Bush. It makes uou sound like a paranoid twit.

    1. Re:Please inform the special prosecutor by pyat · · Score: 1

      THINK!

      Please, at least TRY to think.

      Just because an agent hasn't been operating abroad in the past couple of years doesn't mean she can be unmasked without causing harm and risking lives. Say Plame had been operating in a hostile country at some point in her CIA career, and was getting information from or working with an individual in that state who was sympathetic to US interests. That individual may still be in that country, and now that Plame has been revealed as an agent, that individual's life will be in danger. Plus, any foreigners that individual is currently in contact with will automatically come under suspicion for espionage. Just because you lack the imagination to see the ramifications of this stupid and short sighted act does not mean that the intelligence agencies of every country Plame has visited are similarly purblind!

      Even if this situation is not specifically existing in relation to Plame (and you or I have no way of knowing without further law breaking by amoral politicos), any individual considering making cooperative approaches to US agents will have serious cause to reconsider such actions in light of the Plame unmasking. If Plame has been revealed for shallow and partisan political ends, any other CIA operative might suffer the same fate. And if you're one of that agent's contacts, well in any language I think we know what creek you'll find yourself up and paddle-less.

      The Christopher Hitchens articles you link to are sweet, and all, but it would give your assertions a little more weight if you didn't have to rely on two articles from the same, very biased (and somewhat fickle), commentator.

    2. Re:Please inform the special prosecutor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The law doesn't say "harm in general" it says "harm to the agent" no?

    3. Re:Please inform the special prosecutor by sgt_doom · · Score: 1
      I hope the poster you responded to reads your most excellent and lucid post. Any operation she's ever been connected with; any fake cover or dummy company she's ever worked out of, and anyone even remotely connected with her is now in possible danger.

      These neocons who are pathetically trying to play this treasonous behavior down should be living in another country - one they CAN be really patriotic to....

    4. Re:Please inform the special prosecutor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't say the leak was "nice", just not illegal.

      FWIW, look at what happened between the CIA and the Bush Administration regarding the war in Iraq. Joe Wilson gets recommended to go to Niger by his wife - a senior CIA agent - and, if I read the Senate report right - actually finds evidence that Saddam (among others...) did try to buy yellowcake from Niger. Then Wilson goes public saying his wife never recomended him for the job and that Saddam didn't try to buy yellowcake, both apparently outright lies.

      Now add in the book by "Anonymous" - another current, covert senior CIA agent - bashing Bush policies. Not only was that book the product of an active CIA agent, it was approved for publication by the CIA bureaucracy because no CIA employee can publish anything without approval.

      And all this happens as Bush is running for reelection - demonstrable lies, approved politcal hit pieces from current employees.

      I see the Plame "outing" as a nasty but almost certainly legal shot across the bows of the CIA - if it came from Rove or some other administration person. From the Bush point of view the CIA was acting like a rogue agency trying to play a part in selecting the next President - who wasn't going to be Bush if the CIA had a say.

      But then again I wouldn't rule Joe Wilson out as the leaker until Judith Miller opens up.

      You'll also note that we have a new DCI - Porter Goss, who the CIA careerists don't seem to like all that much to hear the NY Times and Washington Post tell it. I doubt that's a coincidence.

    5. Re:Please inform the special prosecutor by pyat · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming you are the author of the original post I replied to.

      It is telling that you at no point address any point I made. It is equally interesting that you think the jeopardising of (possibly huge) US intelligence assets and human lives is not "nice".

      If you wish to spend your time thinking only of the legality and never of any idea of right/wrong, wise/foolish, loyal/disloyal, then so be it.

      Personally, one aspect of this sordid matter that really sticks in my throat is that while the leaked information revealed the identity of a US government intelligence agent, the person making the leak still preferred to have the comfort of anonymity. If the action was so righteous and legal, why not just do it openly? Why fear public reaction and legal scrutiny?

      I think we can answer that question.

  128. Note that by Aexia · · Score: 1

    Newsweek retracted it's claim that reports of Koran-abuse would appear in a *specific government report*, not that the Koran-abuse occured.

    Indeed, I'd read articles about it for at least a year before the Newsweek article.

    Naturally, the Republican spin machine tried to pretend that Newsweek retracted the reports of the abuse in general. And subsequent government reports confirmed it.

  129. iPod Shuffle by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 1

    Sounds like something Apple would be good with, considering their success with the iPod Shuffle...

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  130. Tell it to the CIA by Aexia · · Score: 1

    She was covert. That's a fact.

    Keep trying to spin away, monkey boy.

    1. Re:Tell it to the CIA by RailGunner · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Tell it to the CIA by ABaumann · · Score: 1

      From the article that you linked...

      "Mrs. Plame hadn't been out as an NOC since 1997"

      So she wasn't currently, but now she never can be again.

      Look at it this way, the administration that you appear to be trying to support said that they would personally fire someone who was involved in revealing Valerie Plame as a CIA agent. That shows that at the time, they felt that it was classified information. After they find out it's one of their good ol' boys, they try to change the story and say nothing illegal had been committed.

    3. Re:Tell it to the CIA by 2short · · Score: 1

      According to your link, someone who wasn't in a position to decide, or even know, says she wasn't a covert agent.
        Yet she was according to the people responsible for making the decision. It's not a matter of opinion; the fact that she worked for the CIA was classified. If Karl didn't know that, he should have. Anyone with even passing familiar with the inteligence community knows you don't mention that someone works at a particular agency just passingly, even if they aren't covert; let alone to a reporter if you're not sure of their status.
      Did he do anything criminal? Maybe not; certainly nothing provably so. Did he give classified information to a reporter? Yup, sure did. Did Bush promise to fire anyone who did that? Yup, repeatedly. Is he going to fire Karl? HaHaHa, the Bush administration punish dishonesty... that's a good one.
        Frankly, if Karl Rove didn't think he did anything wrong, why has he lied about it for two years? Funny how the story was strictly "didn't do it, absolutely not" through special counsel investigations, supreme court appeals, reporters on the verge of going to jail, etc. Then on the very day Time announced it was going to give him up, it's officialy "can't comment on an ongoing investigation", and unofficialy, "didn't do anything wrong, what's the fuss?". Seems a little late to switch to claiming it was all perfectly innnocent.

    4. Re:Tell it to the CIA by afidel · · Score: 1

      Whether or not she was covert on the day of the unveiling she HAD been a covert agent, and so publicly decloaking her status as a one time covert agent potentially blows the cover of other covert agents she worked with and foreign assets that she may have been responsible for. No matter which way you spin it, it is a complete slimeball act to out someones spouse who is serving this country because you don't like the facts that they brought up.

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    5. Re:Tell it to the CIA by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Look at it this way, the administration that you appear to be trying to support...

      He, and others support the status quo in the hope that some of that power and influence over others might rub off on them. They will use the most frivolous punctuational or grammatical error to "prove" that they're always right. They call on great philosophers to make their claims, which turn out to be nothing more than an exhibition of animal instincts. You will not be able to shake their faith in those who give them a taste from the cup. He is part of a small collection of these types in my freaks list. They are on public display for further study. Remember that the purpose of these events is to distract you from the thieves that are robbing you blind. It is not worthy of a minute of your time. Yet, here's a big giant thread devoted to it. If you want to get to basics, the simple fact is that we have a right not to talk to the authorities that claim the right not to answer to us. But, try to enforce that right, and you will go to prison. We must claim the same rights and privileges for ourselves as we give to govt. Unfortunately, we are doing just the opposite. To claim our rights is now considered unpatriotic.

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  131. More complicated by JavaRob · · Score: 1

    There are obviously technical ways to obscure the source of a message, but I'm not sure that helps anyone.

    The issue is that in the current system, the reporter *KNOWS* who the anonymous source is. They speak with them directly on the phone, in most cases, or face to face. The reporter can say truthfully "a white house staff member who wished to remain anonymous said x". This communication could easily be kept private -- a good reporter will be meeting regularly with lots of people, so a spoken communication will be impossible to pin on anyone in particular (as long as the reporter stays quiet).

    In contract, total anonymity: if I walked into a random internet cafe in a neighboring city, submitted a feedback form to the paper, paid with cash and walked out, I would be anonymous... but I could easily say *I* was a high-ranking official and the reporter would just have to guess. That's not useful to them, and few reporters would base a story on this kind of information.

    There's still a place for this kind of communication -- an anonymous source can say "x is going to happen tonight at the WaterGate hotel..." and a reporter can follow it up and do more research before printing anything... but they will have to filter through a lot of crackpots.

  132. Undercover CIA postings on /. by RingDev · · Score: 1

    If any of those limey bastards go hanging our opperatives out to dry, I'm all for crucifying them.

    That goes for /. as well.

    -Rick

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  133. The Answer: by Viperlin · · Score: 0

    ENCRYPTED INFORMATION!

  134. Unsecured WiFi by Annirak · · Score: 1

    The easiest solution is an unsecured wifi network. With only one page accessible.

    Anyone with a laptop or wifi enabled PDA can then gain access, leaving only a MAC address.

    Making an anonymous system actually work requires removing all physical media, as they contain data that can allow identification (finger prints, etc.) anything over a wired network could be traced. Anything over phone lines can be traced with enough resources.

    This leaves radio as an acceptable medium. To use radio, the most common kind, thus the most accessible kind is WiFi.

    So all they need is a WiFi network with a web server serving a single page that allows for anonymous submissions.

  135. They can't use anonymous sources by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 1

    The sources can't be anonymous; someone has to know who the source is, or else there would be no way to tell whether the source was valid or not. If they were entirely anonymous, then how could you tell some jerk feeding you BS from the true deep throats?

    1. Re:They can't use anonymous sources by oneishy · · Score: 1

      Sometimes an annonymous source is only needed to point the reporter in the right direction so they can check things out for themselves.

      I guess thats more of a "tipster" than a source, but whatever.

      You have a good point though. A "source" by default isn't valid. It may be validated though even if it is anonymous. After all, the identity alone of the source doesn't make the information valid... does it? Validating the information recieved by a source is the only way to validate a source. That can be done regardless of anononymity.

  136. Maybe I'm not thinking hard enough... by Txiasaeia · · Score: 1

    ...but I would simply use a random alphanumeric password (insert your security program of choice, so long as it's secure) that's too long to remember (twenty or thirty digits should do it) & keep it in my wallet. You get subpoenaed, you "lose" the code down the toilet and quite correctly claim that you can't remember the password. I don't know what the statistics are on brute forcing passwords, but if you make it long enough perhaps there's a chance it won't get broken in your lifetime.

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  137. DUH! Use FreeNet! by SauroNlord · · Score: 1

    DUH! Use FreeNet!

    1. Re:DUH! Use FreeNet! by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
      DUH! Use FreeNet!

      DOH! You got to my incredibly obvious solution first.

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  138. So... wait... back up. by mcc · · Score: 1

    You're seriously suggesting a system under which a government source would be perfectly anonymous not only to the newspaper's readers, not only to the newspaper, but to the reporters themselves?

    I see. That sounds like a wonderful idea. For me, at least. Because if such a system existed, I would set myself up as an "anonymous high-ranking administration official" immediately. I mean, I'm a random computer programmer in Indiana. But the newspapers don't know that, do they? I'm anonymous. So give me a year and I'll have the New York Times printing that the Bush administration plans to use nuclear missles against Idaho.

    (And if you have any doubt they'll trust my word, remember: they trusted Ahmed Chalabi.)

  139. Sources & Censorship by cmholm · · Score: 1
    Counterpoints:

    1) Scientific inquiry != Political reporting. Scientific reporting is carried out in the open because the cycles of publish and review has been shown a particularly effective means to zero in on the nature of nature. Research that is seen to result in the researchers and writers being blackballed, harrassed by government officials, or killed doesn't get pursued. Political reporting is usually an open process in the US, but because of the insiders advantages of acting without public scrutiny, the players are often willing to seriously screw anyone who shines a light where it isn't wanted. Ergo, there's sometimes a need to allow for anonymous sources to give the researched topic enough exposure that the players can't effectively retaliate.


    2) Censorship & War: In WWII, the Federal Govt and DoW frequently hid or spun facts regarding the war effort, but there was a payoff that everyone saw. In Vietnam, the Feds and DoD played the same game. Unfortunately, and for a variety of reasons, they oversold their progress against the NVA and VC, which made everyone look like idiots when the Reds pulled off Tet. The US/RVN victory during Tet might have been capitalized after the Paris peace accords. But, since Nixon felt the need to play dirty during an election he could have won clean, he wasn't in a position to keep the North Vietnamese in line when he needed to.

    Granted, the Vietnam War probably got a little TOO much TV airtime after Tet, but I don't think that's the case with Iraq. If Bush pulls us out of Iraq with our tails between our legs, it'll be because he pissed away his oportunities to conduct the war effectively, not because he wasn't better able to pull the wool over our eyes.

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    1. Re:Sources & Censorship by symbolic · · Score: 1

      it'll be because he pissed away his oportunities to conduct the war effectively, not because he wasn't better able to pull the wool over our eyes.

      Any war at all is an attempt to pull the wool over our eyes. Remember the original reason for this "war" was this hysterical notion that Iraq housed weapons of mass destruction. Since none were found, some might claim that is not a war at all, but an out-and-out invasion. I've seen various attempts to spin this mess into something the American public will choke down...like using current "acts of terrorism" in Iraq to justify the so-called "war on terror". The tail is now wagging the dog, and it's no-win situation.

  140. Tet a loss? by XanC · · Score: 1
    they oversold their progress against the NVA and VC, which made everyone look like idiots when the Reds pulled off Tet

    That's a prime example of media distortions becoming "accepted fact".

    Myth: The Tet Offensive Was a Communist Victory

    1. Re:Tet a loss? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's important to remember when sifting through information to view everything with a skeptical eye -- especially true with information that supports the argument you are in favor of and not just the dissenting information.

      Doing just very little research, I found a much more balanced response http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/a ureview/1978/nov-dec/bishop.html to support the assertion that the Tet Offensive was indeed an NVA military failure that was improperly reported on by the mainstream media at the time for a number of valid reasons.

      It is important to remember that Tet did become a significant psychological and political acheivement by the communist forces and is still accurately concluded to be the turning point of the Vietnam conflict.

      However, I highly doubt that this was result of some big liberal media conspiracy influencing popular opinions on the other side of the globe. More accurately, it was reporters who did not follow appropriate journalistic methods due to inaccessibility to facts and combat conditions.

      The point being is that journalists are not immune to introducing their own bias into their reporting (whether liberal or conservative) and that proper vetting of sources and corroboration of facts is essential to keep journalistic integrity intact.

      Anonymouse sources do have a place in this process but their information has to be able to withstand much harsher scrutiny. This is why it is more typical for a journalist to use their anonymous source for background only and will use it as a starting place to go find corroborating evidence.

    2. Re:Tet a loss? by qkslvrwolf · · Score: 1

      Hey, um, Dittohead XanC? Read the whole damn comment, please.

      "The US/RVN victory during Tet might have been capitalized after the Paris peace accords"

      On the plus side, anyone who hadn't already figured out you're braindead should have just made that connection.

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  141. It's hard to hide it... by mengel · · Score: 1
    ...unless you know what it is.

    So let's say, for the sake of argument, that you have a list of all your sources -- names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.

    Then you could match against that list, and know what to hide from notes, articles, etc.

    You could ask the journalist for a nickname for each person whose information is used in their notes, etc. and replace "555-1212" with "BunnySlipper's Phone Number".

    So any info saved in such a system has all references to actual names, phone numbers, etc of sources replaced by nickname references, and the info for each person so nicknamed is in an address book so they can get it back; if they can read the addressbook and know the nickname-person mapping.

    This mapping could be stored encrypted with a password that only the reporter knows, as could the addressbook data itself.

    Further, this encrypted info could be kept on a thumb drive that the reporter would keep with them, which they could hide/swallow/destroy if they felt so moved.

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  142. keep them offline by tverbeek · · Score: 1
    How can a newspaper setup an IT system that completely hides every trace (including emails, phone calls notes, logs and so forth) of an anonymous source's identity?

    Simple: keep the anonymous source out of the IT system. No technological system is entirely secure, and obviously subpoenas are the magic key to open them. But if there are no e-mails, no logs, no electronic notes... they can't be turned over.

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  143. Lost by hpavc · · Score: 1

    You would loose your entire IT department and find a lot of people with escrow in jail besides reporters.

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  144. technology is out there by burris · · Score: 1

    The technology is out there. The founding father of untraceability is David Chaum. There is a tradeoff between untraceability and practicality. Chaum describes perfect untraceability in the Dining Cryptographers paper, but it is impractical and subject to DOS attacks. Chaum's Digital Mixes are a more practical type of system and all of the anonymous remailers are based in this principal. TOR: The Onion Router Project is what you should check out, it is a real time Chaum mix net for TCP connections.

  145. You can't by Mechcozmo · · Score: 1
    With computers and the internet being the way they are, you can't. Too many ways to track someone down...

    Maybe a text file on a floppy? That might be hard to track down...

  146. The Bunker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let Ben and Adam Laurie host the data in one of their bunkers. If Interpol or FBI try to raid the place, by the time they get past the security and through the heavily fortified bunker doors, the magnesium will have been ignited by then and there will be no more data... muah ha ha ha

  147. Hello, the NYT??? by Dunwich · · Score: 1

    If they tell me how to read stories without logging in then I'll tell them about anonymous contact!

  148. Don't count on the newspaper industry for anything by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

    How can a newspaper setup an IT system that completely hides every trace (including emails, phone calls notes, logs and so forth) of an anonymous source's identity?"

    Are you kidding me? Having worked in the IT department of a major newspaper company for years now, I have reached the conclusion that most newspapers are lucky if they can run their own PUBLIC email systems, nevermind anything involving security or anonymity. You'd be amazed if you saw the ancient modems that the "AP Newswire" actually physically connects to.

    It is not an industry with an appreciation for technological innovations. I mean, if it was, we wouldn't even call it the "newspaper" industry anymore.

  149. network of email proxies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a network of proxies that forward messages, but don't have a hard drive. Everything is done via RAM or some volitile memory, then getting power cycled every hour.

  150. How about a CMS? by atomic-penguin · · Score: 1

    Why not just create a Content Management System on their intranet. Encrypt the database, and only allow SSL communication with the CMS web server.
     
    Such solutions do exist, and if none of them are appropriate or secure enough there are teams of developers and security professionals you can consult with to build it for you.

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  151. Just use the Slashdot anonymous coward system by Free_Trial_Thinking · · Score: 1


    That feature keeps us really anonymous ... right?

    I posting this as a joke, but the humour depends on someone replying to this and telling what's wrong with the slashdot system, I don't know offhand..

  152. Secure-erase logs every 5 minutes by default. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    It would hinder security, but it would mean anonymity for everyone who entered a given page. when a court demands the logs, you simply say "I don't keep them, theyre secure-erased every 5 minutes"

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  153. buy everyone an iPod by EccentricAnomaly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Yeah, I just carry it because I am supposed to, but I really haven't used it." ...or just buy everyone an iPod :) Then no funny excuses as to why you carry it around... and it's plausible to have one lost or stolen.

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  154. Not gonna happen by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    Thats about as likely as new blockbuster films not being leaked onto the net or hax0rz not getting around MS' new validation process...

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  155. Solve the problem, then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If people are suffering retribution for whistleblowing, then they are already under fascist control- Just not by the government. The public can be informed by people that don't hide behind an invicible wall of unaccountability. According to the current laws, nobody gets 'called into court and grilled over any information they leak that might challenge those in power', unless they LIE, (slander, libel, perjury), divulge classified information, (breach of contract, if it is corporate and not government information), or if they broke some law getting the information in the first place (wiretapping violations, tresspassing, burglary). Anonymity in these cases protects the lawbreaker, not the accused. As for employment purposes, it's easy to tell if an illegal reason was used to deny someone employment- Did the decision-maker know that the individual was blacklisted?
    If protected groups are being persecuted, prosecute the persecuters to protect the persecuted.

  156. Don't weaken the strength of your democracy! by BerntB · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The best thing is to ditch anonymous sources.
    My personal belief is that USA works as a democracy because of the quality of their digging press. I believe my country, Sweden, would be a better place if our media were half as independent and competent.

    NY Times and Washington Post seems to find more scandals in the US president administration than the rest of the world's media find in the rest of the world's governments.

    (-: They seem to be as good at news as the English press is at digging into the private lives of football (sorry, socker) stars. :-)

    Locally, most newspapers can't survive without big handouts from the state (a large part of that problem is the heavy taxation of work time. Give with one hand, take back with the other -- with the axe always ready to fall if they become too problematic...)

    One of the (probably few) places where Sweden seems superior, is that it is illegal for public departments or employees to inquire for sources.

    So NY Times et al could just start a local Swedish magazine, tell all people with sensitive information to call here -- and buy stories from the Swedish magazine, which would be their only source of income. :-)

    (I guess the local magazine would have to publish something, too, to keep the rights as a paper magazine. They could always charge $100 a magazine to stop having to print many newspapers. :-)

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    1. Re:Don't weaken the strength of your democracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The press and media in USA seem reluctant to call the government to account. They just seem to print whatever Bush tells them to print. In other countries the press can attack when the givenment have done something stupid. We do not see them interview Bush live and give him a hard time which is what is needed in a democracy, he seems to be treated like an untouchable king.

    2. Re:Don't weaken the strength of your democracy! by BerntB · · Score: 1
      The press and media in USA seem reluctant to call the government to account.
      Oh, ok, I was generalizing. The home country of NY Times is also the home country of Fox News and Chomsky. :-)
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  157. Onion Routing, except with People not Packets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sources contact a computer system and request or waive the right to anonymity. Anonymous sources are given real-sounding, computer generated pseudonyms. One reporter screens all sources, anonymous and non-anonymous, and determines whether they are credible. This reporter types the source's name (or pseudonym) into the system and the system gives a code to the source. The sources then proceed to walk to computer terminals, login with their codes, and chat with another reporter through a screen. If the source has requested anonymity, the interviewer sees only that the source has requested anonymity - the reporter interviewing the source does not even know the computer-assigned pseudonym. After the interview, the computer securely deletes all records of the sources. The interviewer knows nothing, the reporter verifying credibility doesn't know which source was anonymous, and the computer's records are deleted. For added security, phony anonymous sources could be hired by the newspaper to further hinder an attack against the reporter verifying credibility (obviously the weakest link in this system), and the hard drive can be thrown into an active volcano when the computer is replaced :)

    -linuxrocks123
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    1. Re:Onion Routing, except with People not Packets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am the anonymous coward who made the above post. When I said "screen" I really meant "barrier" - the interviewer should not be able to see the source, only what the anonymous source types.

  158. Do these records need to be kept? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If its truly anonymous why keep any notes on it at all?

  159. Pull head to induce breathing... by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    You may or may not know that Judith Miller, the one in jail, was a major supporter of the invasion of Iraq and hyped it incessantly leading up to it. She was also one of the big "hypers" of the entire WMD mythos.

    Another interesting piece of news is that John Bolton, (remember him?) was one of Judith Millers sources and he has testifed before the Grand Jury in this matter.

    The sharks smell blood...

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  160. it's up to the sender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymity is determined by the sender of the information, not the reciever. If they want good anonymous ways to submit information, just tell the the whistle blowers to go use someone else's WiFi connection. It's not like they're hard to find. Other than that, dial up on a beige boxed line with stolen login info, phone call on beige boxed line, snail mail if you're competent, library computers, the list goes on and on. Some are more legal than others however.

  161. FREENET (!) by drrobin_ · · Score: 1

    Weren't the masses just complaining that Freenet was too anonymous? This is -exactly- what Freenet is for.

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  162. May be later by Phoinix · · Score: 1

    As long as many reporters/journalists abuse their profession, I will hold back on any info which can help them violate the codes and ethics of their profession. I am surprised that many people still get away with that; under the current administration, anything is still possible.

  163. tor by _iris · · Score: 1

    Accept email, instant messages, etc via a tor network.

  164. Math != Science???!!!??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bullshit.

    "Mathematics is the queen of the sciences." -
    Carl Friedrich Gauss

    Mathematics is a science, even if the academic department may be in another building. What do they teach you kids these days?

    When Andrew Wiles published his first attempt at a proof of Fermat's Last Theorem, was his mistake immediately apparent? Couldn't that be checked by anybody who read the paper? Mathematics research is not like a calculus test - sometimes finding the answers is very hazy before the answer is found - just like the rest of research.

    The very same kinds of biases exist in mathematics research that exist in the rest of scientific research (I need the grant, I'm too smart to be wrong, My School of Thought believes this, etc.). The same means for finding error exist in mathematics as in the rest of the sciences (transparency of methods, reproducibility of results, peer review, review of consistency with the rest of canon). Knowlege of the biases of an author does not grant one any deeper knowlege of the subject matter of a publication. Knowing whether a particular scientist believes, for example, that some plants gain energy from the travel of water through their xylem may be useful for some things, but finding out whether the plants actually do gain energy from the water flow inside them is not one of them! Only reproduction of the scientist's work, both experimental and theoretical, on the subject by other scientists will prove useful. Investigating scientists' biases is great for witchhunts, but never really helps science any.

    I pointed out Bourbaki because he (or rather they) showed that in science it is more important what is said than who it is who says it. You might want to note that there is absolutely nothing which would prevent another group of mathematicians or scientists from pulling a similar stunt today.

    In addition, holding up scientific journals as a paragon of source transparency is ridiculous when you realize that the peer review portion of the scientific process is usually performed by anonymous reviewers!

    1. Re:Math != Science???!!!??? by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Mathematics is a completely human-created abstract system of reasoning. Mathematics is built upon axioms which cannot be proven and must be accepted as true. This is why mathematics is not a science.

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    2. Re:Math != Science???!!!??? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I'd go one step further - math also fails to embrace the scientific method. It uses deductive and inductive reasoning to draw conclusions - not observation and experiment.

      In fact, math would be much "further" if it were treated as a science. Fermat's last theorem would have been considered "proven" back in the 70s if it were treated as a science. They had more data supporting that theory back then than we have data today substantiating gravity. In physics we accept that a theory that is supported by repeatable experimentation is true (at least until we gather evidence to the contrary).

      Of course, the other major difference is that if the axioms of a system of math are in fact true, then all the theorems of that system MUST also be true as well. That is NOT the case in any system of science. Even gravity can be falsified if somebody figures out that it doesn't quite work in the sense that we think it does.

      Don't get me wrong - math is VERY important. It just isn't a science.

  165. Old Story by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

    I used to work in one or more Aerospace-related companies. At one of these companies, there was a concerted drive to get people to report fraud, waste, and/or abuse of corporate and/or tax dollars.
    So they put boxes up for anonymous tips. There were a few problems with this:

    - you had to badge in to the buildings and individual office clusters.
    - areas were compartmentalized, so only a few people would/could know what was going on in a given office
    - buildings, hallways, etc, were under continuous video surveillance.

    Not surprisingly, there was not a lot of success with this program.

    Similarly, in a lot of Big Secret Government Conspiracies [tm], there are a limited number of people who have access to information. A sufficiently damaging leak can almost always be identified (Deep Throat being a notable exception). Because of this, anonymity is somewhat less valuable than we like to think it is.

    The power to enforce laws, defend whistleblowers, and protect those who reveal abuse seems to me to be more important.

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  166. First, find all the holes by swordgeek · · Score: 1

    It's really relatively simple. If you know all of the ways that anonymity could be compromised, you can eiminate them, for a certain cost and degree of complexity.

    Now, how many ways are there of tracing an anonymous source? Can you itemise them _all_? Are you sure you haven't missed any? How about real-time surveillance?

    As usual, the trick isn't in the technology, it's in knowing how and where to apply it.

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  167. Moderators? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has to be the first story with more than 200 comments were not a single one is moderated above 3. I browse at 4, and so far I haven't seen a single one.

    Are everyone exceptionally un-insightful today, or have the moderator points gone astray?

  168. Yeah, right, Slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > This seems like a something the Slashdot crowd might know something about.

    Sure, but only if you look at it backwards: /. could help government make anonymous sources irrelevant, much like ACs here.

    Who's gonna "mod up" a paper anonymous source and risk the fate the anonymous would have if discovered?

  169. How's this? by netruner · · Score: 1

    Ditch the idea of the reporter dealing with the source directly. If intermediaries employed by a news agency were responsible for determining the validity of a source, it could work. The intermediary uploads the information to a database which does not track which itermediary the information came from, but that it did come from a valid intermediary. This database is then made available to the reporters to spin their story.

    Intermediaries would have to be self-policing and a sufficiently large group to prevent mass interrogations.

    Interviews could also be handled via something like usenet or IM, where someone like Rove could come in and be assigned a generic (and frequently used) name like "WhiteHouseOfficial" by a third party who is denied access to what he writes.

    The key is separating the knowledge of what is said from the knowledge of who said it while keeping the confidence high that the person doing the talking is a credible figure.

    Or we could just decide to honor confidentiality.

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  170. Try a Stenographic Filesystem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  171. "How come your Christmas card mailing list..." by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    ... just happens to include the Director of the FBI??? Do you, as a DC reporter, really know him personally, well enough to send him a Christmas Card every year??? Or is there some other reason his name and address are in there?"

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  172. That's sort of how TrueCrypt works by BobPaul · · Score: 1

    What I want to see is a setup where you have 2 areas on the disk.
    One is the real data.
    The other is some "dummy" data that is innocuous.


    This is basically hidden volumes work. You create an encrypted volume and fill it with information that you don't need secret but looks like you might and the rest of the volume is random data passed through the encryption to fill space.

    Then you create a hidden volume that fills the freespace. If you mount the encrypted volume using the first password, you'll see the innocuous files but cannot tell if there is a hidden volume or not. If you mount the hidden volume with the correct password, you'll get the real data.

    If at any time following the creation of the hidden volume you write information to the outer volume you will most likely destroy the contents of the inner volume. I say most likely, since if you have a 120GB outer volume and a 2mb innervolume, the inner volume probably won't get hit, but if you have a 120GB and a 119GB, it probably will.

    You could maybe write an autorun.inf and bat or vbs file to copy lots of data to the outer volume if the inner volume isn't mounted within so many minutes...
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  173. And the way to do that is... by BobPaul · · Score: 1

    that bounces about 4-5 times around the world through various mix of nym servers and mixmaster ones...encrypted each leg of the way individually to each server..headers stripped each time.

    Get TOR or i2p and use one of the anonymous e-mail services that exist on those networks

    What you've just described is basically Onion Routing, TOR and i2p being the most well known onion routing networks.
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  174. Covert Plame by epistemology · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter what Joe Wilson says about his wife's status at the CIA, he doesn't work there. The CIA requested an ivestigation of Bob Novak's outing of Plame because they thought they had been compromised, and a crime was committed. And Novak admits the CIA told him not to out Plame.

    Novak and his informant impeded the ability of the US to find WMD's by outing a CIA front company set up for the purpose.

  175. NYT wants to preserve anonymity?!? by VENONA · · Score: 1

    Yet they require registration? Sounds as if they like anonymity when it serves their purposes (covering their six, so they can preserve their sources, produce content, and deliver eyeballs to advertisers) but when it *doesn't* serve their purposes, all bets are off.

    What did that boardroom conversation sound like? My guess would be something like, "Make 'em register. Learn all we can. We can probably data mine, or sell the data to others who *can* data mine, and still smell like a rose."

    The NYT wants to be known as the leading US 'newspaper of record'. OK, I'm fine with that. But there's a social resposibility that comes with the title. Let people see things without leaving a trail. The would-be Emperor Shrub the First's regime is in the process of of making permanent the most onerous provistions of the Patriot Act. Library records, etc. They plainly want the ability to see what you're reading.

    Anonymity is important. The NYT is abrogating their right to any claim of a 'newspaper of record'. They're not just annoying you--they're selling you down the river.

    NYT--take the moral high ground, if you want to stake a claim. Or just admit you're well on the way to becomming Fox News, and make the stockholders happy. You can't have it both ways.

    BTW, NYT, your material on the Discovery Channel, etc., sucks hugely, and it's getting rapidly worse. The episode on the Deep Impact comet mission broke new ground in this area. I can probably come up with 20 entirely valid points of complaint. So you're already on the way to becoming the Fox News of popular science education.

    You suck. Just admit it. Repeat after me: "We'll do whatever it takes to deliver eyeballs to advertisers. If that involves means ignoring our responsibility as a free press in a republic, and selling out the American people, so be it. If we have to misinform and/or slant science news, we'll do that too. Science news is verifiable, but we don't think that anyone is gonna check up and call BS. So we'll just do it. Have a nice day."

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    1. Re:NYT wants to preserve anonymity?!? by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      oh, stop trolling.

      Realize for second that freedom of the press is abridged by the recent crackdowns on identities of sources. What rights are you losing by registering to use their (free with reg) website. I might add that front page articles, big headlines, and major political news stories are all free on the site without reg. Let me repeat this, Your rights are not abridged by reg, but freedom of the press is significantly threatened with the recent moves towards government forced disclosure of sources.

      If you are subscriber to the physical paper (like I am) they have far more info than your name and email (which can easily be faked if you're really that worried about it).

      As for their science problems, you're looking at it from a geeks perspective. The average reader (even one of the new york times) needs technology and science dumbed down for them. Personally, with country the way it is, anything that generates interest in real science is fine by me.

      Oh, and there has never been any evidence of the NY times selling email addresses and as for user datamining, is google any better in that respect (/.s baby as it is...)

      Lastly, if you want anonymity in reading the paper, go buy the physical copy in cash (with gloves on to leave no fingerprints) and read it in a dark, windowless room in your house. No-one's stopping you, but don't spew about anonymity on the web, it doesnt exist.

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  176. FreeNet by cryptelligence · · Score: 2, Informative

    The safest and most anonymous protocol I've seen is Freenet. If anyone was lucky enough to see the Freenet presentation at DEFCON, they illustrated how a message could theoretically be sent over a trusted social network, location-independent and subsequently anonymous. The theory proposed that instead of a massive random anonymous freenet node network, Freenet would begin to integrate normal human-like social networks, allowing users to "validate" the identity of other users without compromising anonymity (Somewhat like a PGP-key signing party). Each user would pick a random number, and based on their social network of trusted friends, their number would be switched with other users, giving the illusion of proximity. Not only was the proposed theory location-independent, they also illustrated how a man-in-the-middle attack couldn't happen without being completely obvious (In the presentation, it was illustrated that a message to a false "John Kerry" would take a large and noticable amount of hops (if the message got there at all) because "John Kerry" doesn't have a normal social network that would be apparent with a prominent political figure). Of course, I do see how this method could possibly be vulnerable (As we all know how easy social engineering can be): A) A "trusted" person who is being used as a hop point could intercept the message and compromise security. (A risk you take when trusting friends, and friends-of-friends) B) The message sender or receiver could be compromised, and a person could theoretically follow the chain of hops to the other party involved.

  177. Not so Simple by wdmr · · Score: 1
    Not so simple. You are correct that anonymity and secrecy are highly feasible with current technology but you forget the matter of verification. Any responsible journalist gets at least two credible sources to independently confirm a fact before printing it. Usually if there is only one source it has to be highly credible and usually senior editors sign off on it.

    With pure anonymity you get a possibly great scoop that has no credibility.

    In some cases it might be possible for a source to demonstrate credibility because of the information they transfer (ala Deep Throat) but that will be rare.

    If the reporter knows who the source is--a basic requirement for the reporter to establish that source's credibility in most cases--then the reporter can be subpoenaed to divulge that identity. And the prosecutor will know that there is a source because the reporter claims it *right there in the story* ("senior administration officials confirm blah blah blah"). If they don't use the commonly accepted jargon for credible anonymous sources then the story has trouble getting legs and the reporter might as well not write it.

    Now of course it is possible that newspapers will be able to use encryption, agressive shredding, etc to make investigation of sources more difficult and possible crimes harder to prove in court, but I am not sure if that will fly in the face of GLB and SOX, not to mention whatever Congress cooks up after the first time a really high profile "traitor"-type case comes along.

    1. Re:Not so Simple by Calyth · · Score: 1

      Before you all think that I've got my tinfoil suit on, I think even disregarding the journalistic side of this idea, there's a lot to worry about.
      The message itself may be encrypted, and hard to break, but if enough ISP/Server Admins get subpoenaed, it can correlated back to the computer that the message is sent. Whistleblowers and anonymous sources aren't exactly security professionals, and even if they cared to learn GPG, they might be silly enough to send the message that can be easily traced back. Even if he went to an internet cafe, the operators of that cafe may be questioned as to who may have come.
      Assuming that these folks won't know to forge IPs and stuff (not to mention that many of the mail servers they use aren't open relays), they may have to tunnel their message to an off-shore, secure computer, and have that sent to whomever they need it to be sent to.
      And frankly (wearing the tin-foil suit), if the government needs to know bad enough, they might just consult ECHELON.

  178. The techology is irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't matter whether you can develop technology that can allow someone to be completely anonymous because the government will simply pass laws that allow law enforcement to eavesdrop on the illegal activity. Look at things like CALEA. Telecommunications companies in the US are required by law to provide a means to access all the data they relay to law enforcement personnel (with the appropriate court orders, etc.) If you develop a system that allows reporters to communciate with sources anonymously then the government will pass a law requiring that all news agencies allow law enforcement to add logging to the system. It's not a fight you're going to be able to win.

  179. Close... by delcielo · · Score: 1

    The truth is that while your conversations with your priest, lawyer and/or doctor are privileged, conversations with a reporter are not.

    So, if you're the anonymous source you need to take that into consideration before you go leaking information. Your reporter cannot truthfully promise that you won't be revealed.

    If, on the other hand, you're the reporter, you need to make a decision early on based on the same lack of privilege. The only sure-fire way you have to protect the identity of a source is to go to jail. If you're not willing to do that, then don't promise anonymity.

    Things work just about the way they should as it is. There will be times when an anonymous source is doing something beneficial for society (Deep Throat) and there will be times when they're not (Karl Rove, most likely). If the information is not worth going to jail over, then it's probably not worth promising anonymity for.

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  180. Re:Ironic... or insightful? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    Maybe they're pointing the way to anonymous sources: obfuscation. They'll start claiming they have 5000 sources, all named "pidmeoff" or "ih8regs".

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  181. Re:Your sig by mr100percent · · Score: 1
    "Religion is as its followers do: nonviolent Muslims need to wake up, Islam's soul is being murdered."

    Of course nonviolent Muslims need to wake up, and they already did. They've been in a living nightmare for the past 3 years. All this profiling, questioning, hate crimes, attacks on their religion, etc. Muslims are WIDE awake and working on it. CAIR's membership is growing. Record numbers of Muslims voted in the last US election. Petition drives are popular, CAIR's "Not in the Name of Islam" petition now has 689,706 signatures since I last checked the front page. Look at the American Muslims' fatwa against terrorism. These worldwide condemnations stretch back to 9/11 and before. Terrorism is the most evil thing one can do to tarnish the image and honor of Islam, and Muslims don't stand for it. Indonesia had a demonstration against terrorism, and Palestinians had a massive demonstration Against suicide bombings. Iran had a candlelight vigil after 9/11, as did mosques in America.

    Muslims are helping, they call the police on other Muslims. How do you think the "Lackawana Six" were apprehended? A Muslim neighbor called the police and said they were at a training camp. If you think Muslims aren't doing anything, you're mistaken, but I don't blame you. I didn't see CNN polling Muslims or MSNBC knocking on people's doors and asking their opinion of Osama Bin Laden. Muslims don't support Al Qaeda. Do you think Christians are quiet when abortion clinics are bombed or IRA blows something up? Everyone knows the religious leaders are against this stuff, I guess they won't print it as news.

  182. Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neal Stephson had an interesting idea in Cryptnomicon. All the date being stored on Servers with no outsides sources, and all the doorways leading to the source be Wired to be Huge Eltro-magnents to erase any Media sent through the doorway. Just hope you don't have a pacemaker...

  183. The solution is up to the informant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The newspapers are looking for a way to get information anonymously, but really it is the informant that needs to solve the problem. It is not a problem of getting information to the reporter anonymously. That is trivial.

    The problem is doing it in such a manner that the reports are credible. How can an informant be anonymous and trustworthy? How does the reporter know a ten year old kid didn't make up the story just for kicks. The informant needs a way to prove their trustworthiness. To do that, I think the informant needs to:

    1. Create a pseudonym, preferably with a digital signature so no one else can forge it.
    2. Repeatedly send quality information to the reporter.
    3. Over time, the pseudonym will build a trustworthy reputation.
    4. Finally, reveal the big story.

    It is the informant that needs to protect their own identity. If a reporter can trust Carl Rove, they can certainly trust an anonymous source that has proven itself dependable.

  184. Re:Please inform Rove's lawyer. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    Oh, yeah, the special prosecutor working on his case before the Grand Jury for an action which could not possibly be a crime. That makes lots of sense. If the answer was this obvious, why hasn't the administration used this obvious defense? Maybe because "Sure he did it but it wasn't a crime" wouldn't fool said special prosecutor? Then again, maybe the prosecutor is only working on a perjury charge. We don't know, but it's pretty obvious that if the answer was as simple as you claim then Rove's lawyer wouldn't have to resort to the "but he didn't mention her by name" defense. Right? If you disagree, call Rove and maybe you can replace his council.

    last overseas undercover in 1997 and the name became public in 2003

    The question isn't when the name became public, it is when it was leaked to an unauthorized source. Read the law.

    the leaker would have to knowingly leak the information with the purpose of causing harm to the agent. Simply leaking the name to providie proof positive that her husband is a liar wouldn't make the leak a crime.

    That is simply not true. I hesitate to say lie, but that statement is wrong.

    The law is here. There is no mention of intent to cause harm. Section a, which by itself carries a maximum ten year sentence, only specifies that the leaker had classified knowledge of the agent's identity and revealed that identity, knowing it was classified*. Section b carries a five year sentence for when a leaker has access to classified information and learns (I presume this means "is able to deduce" or it would be no different than a) the agent's identity as a result, and leaks the identifying information. Section c, the closest to the misinformation in that article, requires knowledge of an agent's identity being classified and a "pattern of activities" intended to disclose an agents identity while the leaker "has reason to believe" doing so would be harmful to to intelligence activities. This is the most general clause of the law, but still no mention of intent to harm.

    The funny thing is that in the second article (which is not the one which contains the misinformation, by the way, despite the arrangement of links and quoted paragraphs) is mostly about how the law is extending beyond its original intent of going after those with classified information and is being used against the press. Well, guess what? The guy the press was protecting is exactly who the law was intended to go after -- those with privileged access to classified information who leak it in the first place.

    * This is why Rove disclaimed having seen the memo that was distributed among the rest of the administration about Plame's identity being kept secret. Oh, but it was never a problem to begin with, he just forgot to mention that part. Seriously, call him up and tell him to fire his lawyer.

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  185. The simplest way of achieving total security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best way of keeping anonymous sources truly anonymous would be to have their email server run linux and record the bits where every email message is written and over write with junk all data which is A: not an actual word B: html code and C:around a @ without a space interrupting it and then after doing this as soon as the email was recieved clear all the memory that was in any way involved in this process. That way you'd never even have to worry about user-end security.

  186. Seems To me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well it seems to me that the real problem here is the fact that at some point you have to have a name in the transaction. At least if you want to get paid for being a source anyway. This looks like the golden opportunity for a new startup in switzerland. You could get the media to pay and compete for listing on your program and you could get the informers to pay to setup bank accounts with you. Then the informers select the news agency they wish to inform and could even have bidding on the info... Then the agency that wins pays the anonymous account which the end user can transfer to some other nice non expiditonary account. What do you guys think?

  187. Re:Don't count on the newspaper industry for anyth by Nonesuch · · Score: 1
    poot_rootbeer writes:
    You'd be amazed if you saw the ancient modems that the "AP Newswire" actually physically connects to.
    What, AP hasn't switched you over to their NNTP feed yet? Considering how behind the time they are, I was half expecting them to ask to set up a UUCP peer. (I'd have done it, too).

    It is not an industry with an appreciation for technological innovations. I mean, if it was, we wouldn't even call it the "newspaper" industry anymore.
    OTOH, there's something to be said for doing anonymity the old school way, with pay phones and postal mail and the occasional meeting in a dark corner of a parking garage...
  188. Re:I have the perfect solution.. and it's an OLD O by surprise_audit · · Score: 1

    You've been reading the IP-over-carrier-pigeon April Fool's RFC, haven't you??

  189. Simple, don't use it. by edunbar93 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pretty much any technology is trackable, and chances are you don't even know it. While I'm more-or-less referring to things like printers that print invisible serial numbers and exported Pentium chips that double as guided missile beacons, I'm also talking about encryption and anonymizer accounts. All it takes to crack those open is a court order, as the Church of Scientology has been so effective in demonstrating.

    But a pen and paper is untracable. Just like pay phones and small bills instead of cell phones and credit cards.

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  190. Low Tech --- No Tech Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solution: have reporters marry their sources, or simply have them get quickie legal papers, so they are protected by attorney-client privilege.

    There's not way in hell that the government will put an end to its two favorite rackets; screwing and suing the general public. You've just got to play their game!

  191. Obviously ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... do away with anonymity! Make everyone identify themselves. No more faceless hiding, evading responsibility for statements and culpability for actions! Let their identities be known!!!

  192. Wrong question by werdna · · Score: 1

    How can a newspaper setup an IT system that completely hides every trace (including emails, phone calls notes, logs and so forth) of an anonymous source's identity?"

    How about this one:

    How can a newspaper reporter rely on such a source under any circumstance?

    As understoood, anonymous sources means that the source is not named, not that the reporter has no idea who he/she/it is. Reliance on someone who won't go on-record, and who won't even identify himself to the reporter is incompetent journalism, and I pray that the fourth estate is not so jaded as to believe there is any journalistic integrity to such a thing.

  193. anonymity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who am I?

  194. trace by chrisranjana.com · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure whether a trace can be completely wiped out !

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  195. Solution: Use Freenet. by digitalrevolution · · Score: 1

    By using Freenet, 'everyone' holds the information. You can't get traced by adding/serving or reading the information.

  196. Re:Your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell it to the judge, TERRORIST!

  197. The technical solution is trivial. by karlandtanya · · Score: 1
    Not "I refuse to follow your honor's order" (that would be contempt).


    But "I do not know who my anonymous source it and I there is no way to determine who it is from the information I have."


    Let's also assume that the reporter, plans to deny that he knows who the source really is. This is a fair assumption since the other alternative is to simply stonewall. Which he can already do.


    Convincing the judge is the challenge. No matter what technical solution is applied, if the reporter can't convince the judge that he doesn't know the source's secret identity, the judge will find unpleasant ways to motivate the reporter's compliance.


    Rubberhose comes to mind. Oooh, nifty, neato, keen. I won't tell and you can't make me! Nerds are saving the world from oppression. And thumbing our noses at authority. Ah, yes.


    The technical solution is trivial. Work on the social part of the solution. How does the reporter convince the judge to leave him alone? Convince the judge he really doesn't know? It's hard to prove a negative. Convince the judge that the reporter has a right not to tell? Supreme court says no such right exists. And how does the source get the reporter not to rat her out just to save his own ass?


    The current solution is to stonewall. To have reporters that are willing to go to jail to protect their sources and inform the public. That willingness deserves our respect.


    Yes, I know. The reporter recently in the news DID NOT reveal the identity of the agent who was compromised. The reporter refused to identify a source to whom anonymity was promised. What is the value of a free press? The "fifth estate", the unelected branch of government is not a police force. I acknowledge these are issues worth discussing, but not what I'm concerned with in this post.

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    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
  198. GAIM with by Willy+Nily · · Score: 1

    I'd use GAIM (http://gaim.sourceforge.net/) plus the following plugin... Off-the-Record (OTR) Messaging allows you to have private (not just encrypted) conversations over instant messaging by providing: Encryption, Authentication, Deniability, and Perfect forward secrecy. Found at.. http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ Willy

  199. Re:Your sig by deesine · · Score: 0
    Do you think Christians are quiet when abortion clinics are bombed
    Of course they aren't: we get to hear a media sound byte from ALL the major denominations declaring the action reprehensible and having no doctrinal basis. Does this happen when the bomber is a Muslim?

    To be fair, some Imam will be interviewed telling us that Islam is against violence.

    Two more will tell us violence is bad, but that we must look at the bombers reasons for acting out.

    Five more will tell us that an ardent follower has been ruinited with Allah, having served his master well.

    Thank goodness for sites like Memri that help us keep tabs on what Imams are saying in Arabic. Seems that more than once, several of those teachers have been found to be saying one message in English (Islam hates violence) and another message in Arabic (Allah needs warriors to protect Islam).
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  200. Telegraph. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Telegraph. Have keys strategically placed throughout the city along with Morse charts.

    Or just check [x] Post Anonymously....

  201. Iraq War: Rationale for Vs. Conduct of by cmholm · · Score: 1
    The Administration's real rationale was regional balannce of power among prime oil producers. Openly discussed and persuasive within the Beltway, but they all understood that would be a really hard to sell to the electorate. The trend was towards the UN sanctions being completely lifted, which would have opened huge business oportunities for French, and Russian interests, while the US was "stuck" maintaining a large force in the area to contain Iraq. The *stated* rationale(s) were pretty lame, made even vaguely plausable by the need of Hussein to lie through his teeth to survive among his fellows.

    Since war was a given, it would have been nice if the Administration had a clue how to conduct one, or the occupation that would follow. The only saving grace was that the uniformed leadership did have a clue, and many a general staff career was snuffed as the services fought to educate the likes of Rummy and Wolfowitz as to what was needed to get their war on. Otherwise, the US would have gone in with 75k soldiers instead of 150K, and had their ass handed to them. Although at least 50.5% of the voters will vote for a retard, they won't vote for a retard who's a loser. Hence, the brass inadvertently saved the President's ass. But, they can't work miracles, leading to our current mess... the appearance of which ain't the "liberal" media's fault.

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  202. Mod parent up. by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 1

    I'd also add - why would I want to help a newspaper violate the law and the Constitution?

    Despite lofty claims made by the press, the U.S. Constitution says nothing about anonymous sources. On the other hand, it does mention being permitted to face your accuser;

  203. This has to be a flame by ardle · · Score: 1

    ... and so many people have reacted! An article in an op-ed column that demonstrates the author's clear bias yet argues that journalism should be subject to the rigours of science so that facts cannot be distorted. Infinite loop! Really shouldn't have read it...

  204. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  205. Martus by christefano · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Benetech's Martus, a free, open source and multi-platform for encrypting and anonymously distributing information about human rights violations.

    Why can't the news media use something like this?

    Frankly, I'm even more surprised that nothing turned up when I searched /. to see if anyone had mentioned Martus in the past.

  206. Re:Your sig by mr100percent · · Score: 1
    That's just a stereotype, it isn't true. All the Muslim governments condemned the London attack. Newspapers like the Financial Times mentioned it but then discussed a few negative individual responses in chat rooms, as though the Egyptian foreign minister was only as important as some guy in an internet cafe. You seem to dismiss any condemnations of terror unless they are unconditional. Fine, Al-Muhajabah has an excellent roundup. Did the London bombers get a martyrs funeral? I don't think so.

    MEMRI is selective and biased against the Arab press, and that it highlights pieces that cast Arabs, especially committed Muslims, in a negative light.

    The organization cleverly cherry-picks the vast Arabic press, which serves 300 million people, for the most extreme and objectionable articles and editorials. It carefully does not translate the moderate articles. Juan Cole looked at newspapers that ran both tolerant and extremist opinion pieces on the same day, and checked MEMRI, to find that only the extremist one showed up. It would sort of be as though al-Jazeera published translations of Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Jerry Falwell on Islam and the Middle East, but never published opinion piences on the subject by William Beeman or Dick Bulliet.

    People who read MEMRI are being given an unbalanced view of the region as a result. In some instances the translations are not very good, but the main objection is the selectiveness of the material. MEMRI is one of a number of public relations campaigns essentially on behalf of the far rightwing Likud Party in Israel that tries to shape American perceptions of Muslims and the Middle East in a negative direction.

    It would be just as easy to set up a translation service that zeroed in on racist and "Greater Israel" statements in the Hebrew Israeli press and made the articles available in English, while ignoring more liberal newspapers like Haaretz. If most educated Americans heard the raving against "ha-aravim" (the Arabs) that goes on among West Bank settlers, they'd be completely taken aback by the bigotted terms of reference. Much of such Likudnik discourse is not different in kind from what one hears from the Ku Klux Klan about minorities in this country.

    If you talk to someone who ACTUALLY READS Arab Press (like Dar Al-Hayat or As-Sharq Al-Awsat, you're not going to find extremist imams in the mainstream, contrary to what MEMRI is tricking you into believing. (BTW, no imam is going to say "Allah needs warriors." Allah needs nobody.)

  207. How to keep it secret via IT? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
    You can't.

    Use pencil and paper, and phone booths, instead.

  208. Re:Your sig by deesine · · Score: 0
    Do do deny that fork-tongued Imams exist and that they are a problem?

    Dr. Cole seems to think there are, and that they are a problem. He writes, using a hardware(terrorist)/software(bad ideology) metaphor:
    The Imam says, a person who was really committed could change everything. He could save the Muslim Ummma from destruction.

    The software is fatally one-sided. It also exaggerates. The Muslim world is not in danger of being destroyed, least of all by the United States, a warm friend of most Muslim countries.
    I don't know how many of this type of Imam exist. But I do know that in American main stream media, all effort is made by Christian clergy to challenge any doctrinal approval of violence by extremists, and to distance themselves from those who espouse such approval.

    I don't and can't know how many of these radical Imams exist. MEMRI is only a tool that has helped expose them. Of course MEMRI is selective, and of course they are biased. That doesn't necessarily invalidate their translations. Can you point to any instance of mis-translation?

    I don't see the primacy as knowing the numbers, but rather what's being done by Islamists to keep Islamism pure of violent extremists.
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  209. Just a minor nitpick by CaptainZapp · · Score: 1
    Even Swiss Bank accounts are untracable anymore.

    I guess you meant not untracable, but alas it's wrong and was for a long time.

    There are no anonymous Swiss bank acoounts, period. The infamous numbered accounts so much loved by bad American thriller authors exist, but are not anonymous. The idea is that the actual account owner is codified by a number, bank internally. Only very few people (likely on VP level) know the true identiy of the account owner. If a judge however rightfully (there are obstacles in Swiss banking laws, but never for a criminal offense) demands the bank to turn over that data, the bank will.

    Up to roughly 20 years ago there was a loophole: By utilizing an attourney, who only had to certify that he knew the real owner (but didn't have to mention him) you could in effect, for a hefty fee, bank anonymously. As mentioned before this loophole is closed long since and banks (must) demand the name (and official identification) of the real owner of the account; intermediary or not. You can also be damn sure that they will have a closer look and ask uncomfortable questions when you turn up with a Columbian passport and a large suitcase containing used 10$ and 20$ bills.

    There might be certain shady financial institutions that violate the law, but you will certainly not find a major (or even minor) Swiss bank violating those laws.

    If you want to park and launder your money anonymously, try Austira (no more for long) or open an anonymous trust in the UK. Even though the Limeys wail loudest about Swiss bank secrecy they offer far better devices if you're in the industry of shady business.

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    mit taschenrechner in der hand

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