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An Anonymous Reader writes: "An 80-strong U.S. FBI agents raided the Texas-based host of Arabic Web sites, including that of the Arab world's leading independent news channel, prompting charges on Thursday of an 'anti-Muslim witchhunt.'" The Reuters story is at Yahoo! as well. Did you know there was a North Texas Joint Terrorism Task Force, or that it would be shutting down ISPs?
The first link, to iViews, is "refusing" my (normal HTTP) connection... Wonder if maybe they were nabbed, too?
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Imagine if an FBI raid on CNN resulting in the broadcaster going off the air for a few hours, or the website being shut down.
I think there's some bias here.
Sure, they probably have a search warrant. Sure, it's probably warranted. But this wouldn't be the first news organization had some information the police wanted or needed, and didn't hand it over. Journalists have these crazy ideas about protecting their sources, and don't always willingly give the police what they want.
But still, if it were a western mainstream media organization the police would be careful not to disrupt operations.
I think there must be some bias here.
Their operations were simply interrupted while the Fed's conducted their search. The sites came back online, fair and square.
...
The search was perfectly legal, and executed per the law.
For crying out loud, glib sensationalism is the last thing slashdot needs more of
Shame!
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
Is that this country is based on sedition.
It's just not cool to be seditious anymore.
we know michael has a very paranoid anti-government agenda, this is just an inflammating bit here.
we should hold off on passing judgement till more information is available.
It would be the needle.
While the fourth amendment may not have been violated due to the fact that there was a valid search warrant, this kind of tactic sounds like classic 'silencing' to me. The warrant was sealed, right? Why were the offices raided? The quote in the reuters story from the owner indicated that he seemed to think that his news outlets were being targeted for being related to terrorist groups. There was *no* firm reason for the raid given.
Sounds very totalitarian, doesn't it?
As a Texan, I'm rather upset that we have a 'anti-terrorism force' at all! Hevean help me if I started to express anti-American views on my website!
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush announced today in Washington that there was no longer any need to delve into the Social Security and Medicare surplus. During a press conference at the White House, President Bush said "After carefully studying the behavior of Microsoft, we have determined it to be a terrorist organization. As such, I have instructed the US Office of Foreign Asset Control to seize all assets of Microsoft, and it's founders, Bill Gates, Paul Allen, and Steve Balmer."
The seized assets are expexted to top 150 billion dollars, more than enough to pull the US out from the hole dug by the Bush administrations massive tax cuts.
- James
I have heard of this Arab newstation before. I saw a story about it on american television, I forget which channel.. perhaps BBC-america.
:(
The arab governments have fears that it may bring democracy.. well, not all of them. The newstation is located in Jordan. The prime-minister of Jordan, on this television documentary I watched admitted that the coming of democracy would be good and supported the efforts of this news station.
I can not see how their website was breaking American law, although they may have been breaking laws in other countries.. which shouldn't matter if it is hosted in the USA. The most the Arab countries should be able to do, imho, is to arrest the runners of this newstation.
Of course, the Arab government are afraid to do anything because they would be making martyrs of the procecuted.. I guess that is why they had the USA do the dirty work for them
This is the first direct sign that the USA is turning it's heels on democracy. This is the first time that the USA has tried to dissolve protesters cries of their corrupt, non-democratic government.
If it were a jewish ISP being shut down then this would be all over the news.
Well, this is an interesting situation:
We have the FBI, who I don't trust.
We have the Arabic news sources, who I also don't trust.
The FBI is denying any kind of bias whatsoever, and that the investigation is totally unrelated to terrorist concerns, anti-palestinian, anti-muslim, or anti anything else.
Still, until we have any better information (which I'm looking forward to) this amounts to a very short period of Government sponsored hacktivism (okay, it's arguable how much hacktivism is involved when the G-men come in and take you offline, but it's the same result as geeks taking down opressors and terrorists sites on the other side of the world.)
Found some news clips.
Anti-terrorism agents raid Texas Internet business
FBI Raids Muslim Businesses, Charity Organizations
FBI Raids Dallas-Area Web Business
I guess it's OK for Muslim complaints to take out a Hindu web site, but it's not OK for federal investigation to shut down some Muslim web sites for a few hours.
BTW, the Hindu web site found hosting again on a server run by a militant Jewish group. The New York Times ran a story on it a few months ago; it's funny what strange bedfellows these sorts of things can make.
I expect this will be modded down to about -200 in a few minutes...interesting how the truth can do that.
-jon
Remember Amalek.
http://www.wfaa.com/wfaa/articledisplay/0,1002,310 13,00.html 1 20,00.html
http://www.wfaa.com/wfaa/articledisplay/0,1002,31
This reminds me so much of the Steve Jackson Games raid of a decade ago. Yes, the warrant was valid. And sealed. The effect was to nearly silence a voice the SS didn't like.
1Alpha7
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Bush is so asking for more heat from arab nations. I can not believe the U.S. government is still pulling this crap off. When is this ignorant pitiful administration going to get their act together. When is Dik Cheny going to start taking over the helm form bumbling Bush. Go Colin Powell!!!!!
Just an everyday guy....nothing special
Source please?? Link?? I can make up stories too.
And the search was probably justified. Muslim
terrorist groups use fronts disguised as charities
to move money around, and the Holy Land Foundation
has long been suspected of being a financial front
for Hamas. Since HLF uses the Web to collect
donations by way of credit cards, a search of the
Web hosting company is legit.
Please tell me it's not the same Infocom as this one.
In addition to the FBI, they may well find themselves in a legal battle with Activision, who hold all rights to the Infocom property.
Look at any world map before 1945, there's a
clearly marked country called 'Palestine'.
Maybe the DOJ should just accuse MS of being a terrorist organization, bent on taking over the world. Apparently it's easier than taking them to court.
Where's the "-1: Self-Indulgent Posing" option?
/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
Look at one now, there isn't one.
The site involved was hinduunity.org.
That is a pretty weak troll. Started out fairly well, but lost its steam at the second paragraph through abuse of hyperbole. By that time, the reader is looking at the poster's id, which immediately clues one in as to the true nature of the post. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
I know this post will get a couple of immediate down-mods by the Zionists in the audience, but the Truth is more important than karma anyway.
The bottomline: the anti-arab bias in the US is a result of US ties with Israel. Israel is, by all counts, a racist, totalitarian state. Throughout the 1980s, the leftists in America loved to denounce South Africa for Apartheid. Where are these same leftist voices now, with regard to Israel? Israel's crimes against the palestinians are truly horrednous. In 1948, the palestinians were made second-class citizens in their homeland of thousands years, in order to recreate the fictional "homeland" of a tribe of eastern europeans. Since then, the palestinians have been, by turn, bombed, gassed, beaten imprisoned, and stripped of their civil rights.
When the UN attempted to speak-out about Israel's racism, the US pulled out of the recent conference on racism. That alone should tell you something about Israeli power of the US.
BTW, don't even get me started on white slavery in Israel. That's right, for decades, Israeli's have been kidnapping gentile Eastern European and Russian girls and keeping them as sex slaves. This practice meets with the tacit approval of the Israeli government. This is not a secret, and I am not making this up. Even 60 minutes and the New York Times, two strongholds of Zionism in the US have discussed the situation.
If you have a problem with my views, REPLY, don't moderate!
The talk of *BIAS* is ridiculous spincasting by the media and by people that like to constantly complain about persecution. The FBI serves warrants and searches businesses all the time. That's part of their job, like it or not. They don't sit around a water cooler and say "Let's go raid some Moslem businesses this week...that'd be a hoot. We don't like Moslems."
Come on - that's just stupid. They're working an investigation and this is where it brought them. There are NO details in either article...just journalists looking for a story they can blow out of proportion. If it had been a warehouse where large quantities of twine is stored by a couple of surly old kansas natives it wouldn't have even made the news. No FUD value. That kind of thing happens every week.
-Rothfuss
They've shut down Infocom.
You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike. It is dark, if you proceed, you are likely to be eaten by a grue.
xyzzy AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
Oh yes, i bet if asked u would bet your sould that they were stockpiling guns in the basement and had bought land out in the nowheres of west texas to launch an invasion of the U.S.
do people GET any more naive?
jew hating and anti-israel? maybe if jewish isrealies (are their any others?) were bullzdozing ur house and attacking ur citys cops with American tanks and Apache helicopters ud be anti-israeli to
funneling funds to terrorist organizations eh? yah i bet the food all those starving children get arms them very well against israeli snipers.
I guess the $3 Billion the U.S. gives israel each year doesnt count
how many years must u live in a land before it is yours? or is it like america and the indians, america beat them so america moved in oh so honorably and the indians? they were never americans, this is america
What kind of shit is this? If you're going to be violating people's property and impeding commerce, you'd better have a damn valid reason that will stand up to public scrutiny. Otherwise, we might as well get rid of trial by jury, the pesky fifth amendment or the obligation to prove one's guilt before issuing a sentence. Yeah, that's the ticket, just like in those documentaries about the Third Reich that must be the talk of the town in Quantico nowadays.
This makes me sick.
This whole middle east situation is so one sided, it really sickens me.
I would rant on and on, but am sure on slashdot, it would fall on death ears...
One need only to look at the reaction of the US to
the NGO resolution, which is NON biding to the UN.
SO they basically punished the UN, by usual us tactics, ie, playign wounded little girl, for a resolution drafted, and rightly so, by an OUTSIDE UN BODY.
HEH, it never ceases to amaze me.
Oh yar, Shabash, bhot shukriya bahai :-)
-- The_Messenger
Victim of Michael "The Antisemite" Sims' IP Block of Doom
I'm glad that we have police forces to protect us from those vicious electrons, that so frequently get out of control and become destructive.
Bush's education improvements were
You're never going to be taken seriously until you learn how to spell like a civilized human being.
As for the Palestinians, they are a conquered people and have no right to their "homeland" in the current political situation. Of course a major blow against the rulers of 'their' land that was strong enough to propel them into power would be useful to reclaim their homelands.
yes the jews came along and destroyed it. sometimes i wonder why hitler never managed to finish all of 'em off so that we wouldnt have this problem today.
Frankly, this doesn't surprise me. George W. Bush and his administration have no problem with you being a different skin color, economic/social class, sexual orientation, etc. as long as you act like them. I'm not saying the Dems are better, but at least there's some indicator from them that you don't have to goosestep to their march exactly the way the Republicans do...
I'm seriously thinking of moving to Canada until the Shrub presidency is over if this type of action is going to become commonplace. I definitely don't want to raise my children (who will be European/Filipino) in an environment that the Bush Clan seems to think ideal if that environment means silencing dissent and allowing banks to close accounts based on religious views...
Well, about 50 years ago there was no such thing as "Israel", and the people you suppose that don't exist lived there.
Yeah, go ahead. Don't feel any need for proof or similarily silly things.
If I had any points, I would have modded you down, that's for sure...
US is populated with strange people, most of the population thinks that jews have all rights to kick the ass of palestinians who are in their way, or they have a radical right wing view that jews are evil pigs that enslaves cute christian woman!
Look at reality folks! Jew are not especially more evil then any other people. They just happen to think that they have the right to a certain territory and that thus they dont need to respect land ownership of non-jew. If you would be jew, you would do the same thing!
I personnaly think that they should stop to kill political leaders,keep their armed forces within their territory and wait until it cools off...
You know people who blow themselves have pretty good reasons usually. (Son or father killed by israeli soldier)
The Hindu Unity website incident is a very different situation. The site had some strong anti-Muslim views, particularly towards Muslims in India. Stuff that could be interpereted as a call for violence against Muslims in India (the current home page has a cartoon of Muslims stabbing to death a Hindu mother). And people complained to the ISP, who told the organization to take their business elsewhere. Here is an article.
The case of the ISP in Texas involves the government shutting down, albeit temporarily and as an incidental consequence of searching for evidence, lots of websites without explanation, only a sealed warrant. This includes one of the most prominent sites news of the middle east that is not controlled by a government of the region.
People get up in arms about controversial websites, like porn sites, hate sites, spammer sites, radical anti-abortion sites, etc, all the time. And sometimes, complaints to the ISP are effective in forcing the site to move to an ISP that is less concerned about complaints from the public. That isn't really news.
The government shutting down 500 mostly arab-related websites without explanation should be considered more newsworthy.
Don't forget that Friday is Hawaiian shirt day.
Jewish-Muslim relations are strained because for centuries these relations were dictated by Sharia Law, which placed Jews in a submissive position. A good portion of the Muslim community of the US regards Jews as if they (well, we) have cooties, and this won't change any time soon. At least since the US has never been under Sharia, Muslims and Jews can try to build relations that are not based on Sharia. The Mideast, however, was under Sharia law, and there are fatwas that explicitly forbid having equality with Jews in the region. Since Jews won't settle for less than equality nowadays, the Mideast is a hot potato.
Really? I found some old maps, one of them labelled the whole area the 'Ottoman Empire', another one had that area as part of the 'Roman Empire'. So I kept looking and found another one with the area being called 'Canaan'. The only references to the area being called Palestine are as a label for the British mandate of the area.
At least I had the dignity to post anonymously
Israel/Occupied Territories: Israel shows reckless disregard for human life
ISRAEL AND THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES: UNITED NATIONS CALLS FOR HALT TO TORTURE
CAT: ISRAEL CONTINUES TO DEFY THE COMMITTEE AGAINST TORTURE
ISRAEL: Human Rights Abuses Affecting Trafficked Women in Isreal's Sex Industry
An article on slave trafficking in Israel, from the Jerusalem Post
Google search results for "human rights" + israel" (have reading the 281,000 results)
If zionist moderators once again try to silence me, well, I tried.
I could speculate endlessly about why the US is so intent on supporting Israel, and why the US ignores Israeli human rights abuses that would shame even North Korea. But, I really don't know. I am truly puzzled.
If you have a problem with my views, REPLY, don't moderate!
in the rating system on slashdot? Reading comments with scores 3 and up all have a more negative tone towards muslims, yet the more positive ones are modded down to -1 and labeled flamebait. Why is this? I have seen this in the past and have yet to comment on it.
It is sad that that people who I would read this site are more educational sound (or so i assume) yet there is a very prejudice and propagandic (is that a word?) tone to comments.
After reading Robert Anton Wilson's "Illuminatus!" and subsequent sequels, I don't believe in any one world-dominating conspiracy.
And it certainly can't be read stone, because it's enough of a mind-fuck as it is.
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
I'm not a Hindu and some what HinduUnity.org preaches scares the heck out of me. But it shouldn't be forced off its ISP by crybabies. I just can't stand the hypocritical posturing.
-jon
Remember Amalek.
It's dead on, whether you want to admit it or not.
Microsoft's never getting broken up, VA Linux is selling proprietary software, Mozilla's falling to pieces, deal with it.
And it is, eternally a Jewish state, promised by G-d to the Jewish people. And no, the arabs have never had any significant presence in Israel. The nation of Israel was created in 1312 BCE and thrived until it was conquered by the Romans in 70 CE. To disgrace the Jews further, the Romans renamed the region "Palestine" in commemoration of the Helenized Philistian people. Then, the arabs conquered the land in 632 CE. However, they never really took any interest in the land, because it was really nothing to them. (Remember, the 6th century CE Koran never once mentions Jerusalem, yet it mentions Mecha and Medina hundreds of times.) There was never any establishment of any entity political entity named Palestine. There was never a king, potentate or governor of the region. It was so sparsely populated that when Mark Twain visited Israel, he stated that one could look across the desert and not see a single soul. However, there was always a Jewish presence in the land, which grew increasingly greater in the 20th Century.
Finally, with the recreation of Israel in 1948, the Jewish people had reclaimed their biblical and traditional homeland. Israel offered the tiny arab population of 400,000 a plan in which they would get half of Israel. They rejected that and chose to flee in the hopes that they would be back with conquering arab armies. The armies of their most powerful nations came, yet a miracle took place when a heavily outnumbered and outgunned Israeli army fought all of them off.
Only with the 1967 war, in which Israel again repelled overwhelming arab force, was there ever talk of "Palestine." The modern term was the brain child of Yasser Arafat, who has worked ever since with the goal to destroy the Jewish state. In 1993, Israel signed a peace accord in which Araft declared that the arabs would no longer use violence to accomplish their goals, yet terrorism against Israel is at its highest levels seen in two decades.
I'm really not writing to you Jew-haters, I am writing those of you who aren't informed, so that you perhaps you won't buy into the lie as well.
Part of the hardcore faithful who believed in Apple long before it was cool again to do so
not state, Federal. it happened in Texas like Waco, but who took the heat for that one? so, yes, the Bush administration is ultimately to blame. this is another, in a long series of blunders that are setting us up for some ugly international repercussions.
For all kinds of great info on this topic, read The Hacker Crackdown, by Bruce Sterling. The entire text is available on the web all sorts of places. Like here, for instance. It's an excellent book.
"reclaimed their biblical and traditional homeland"... bullshit? That's the best word I can come up with. Under your reasoning, I should let the Native American wage a war with F16's, machine guns and reclaim the land that was traditionally and historically theirs. Just cause some philosophical books says its their doesn't mean jack to me. They (the israeli's) took the land through many wars. Is that okay? The Qur'an doesn't mention Jersualem? Boy, are you misinformed. Muslims faced Jerusalem before they started to face mecca when praying. Any informed person can tell you that. What about Israel's constant military bombardment of Lebanon? Is that their land too?
I won't sit here to argue your points cause you have already proven you don't know squat about what you are talking about. It is fools like you that are keeping the world in its current state of turmoil. Quit fighting over a stupid book some idiot wrote. If in 623 CE no one was their and Twain backed it up, then its been "arab" land since then. Isreal coming in 1948 to reclaim a land it hadn't been in during 623 CE sounds ridiculous to me. Have a nice day.
Sigh.. i'm sad.. clearly those people at ..
..
.. don't even get me started on Hindu class-based discrimination (i'm a Brahmin by birth, so in that i'd have been semi-fortunate if i grew up in India)
HinduUnity.org clearly never bothered to read the
Hindu sacred literatures..
i'm thinking here of the MahaBhaarata, the Ramayana, and the Veda's (among others)
but i'm not surprised..
you can say the same of any religion, the words
may sound good, and the scriptures always say , be nice to your neighbors, don't be an asshole, etc..
but no one ever practices what they preach
if i were Hindu (and not an agnostic) i'd be sad..
but then, i was born Hindu
--vat
Zionist Jews kill thousands of Palestinians, robed, committed genocide, broke every human rights law there is, over twenty UN resolutions, bomb civilians, commit atrocities upon civilians. The same Zionist terrorist steal over 30 billion of US foreign aid, and they own ur American ass, while Americans complain about money for schools, homeless, poverty, the Zionist lobby takes it and send it to terrorist extremist Jews in occupied Palestine. Palestinian Arabs had lived for over 1400 years in peace with every one in their country, there are peace full people the are defending their lives, land, in war against by Zionist Jews. Finally don't fucking use the word GNU in any of ur fucking racist comments.
Jews flourished in Muslim countries because Muslim law (sharia) states that you can't force people to convert and you must let them practice peacefully. For those years, Jews were not pushed out or victimized like they were in Europe during the ear of WW2.
Check your facts, and quit spreading misinformed propoganda. Are you a Muslim scholar? A historical scholar on the region? I sure know you better answer "no" to both cause you don't know what you are talking about.
An 80-strong U.S. FBI agents raided the Texas-based host of Arabic Web sites, including that of the Arab world's leading independent news channel, prompting charges on Thursday of an 'anti-Muslim witchhunt.'
Why is it that every time the government does something bad to (e.g. raids) something that is owned primarily by minorities (e.g. Muslims), the victims cry racism? I'd be ignorant to think that it doesn't happen at all, but this is just plain ridiculous. It seems to me that they are just looking for a scapegoat -- the FBI didn't raid us because of our [p0rn || warez || etc.], they raided us because of our [race || religion || etc.]! Give me a break. IMO people like this need to grow up and realize that not everything bad that happens to them is because of their minority status.
I pledge allegiance to the flag...
of the Corporate States of America...
Jews in Muslim lands fared better than those in Europe, until the 1700's, when the tables turned in the other direction. Not that this is all that relevant. Jews were still third-class citizens in the Muslim lands the entire time, and in the year 2001 no Jew will settle for anything short of full equality.
As for my facts, yes, I am a scholar of Mideast history and Jewish history.
Listen bro, you have many points that can you said in much less offensive ways. When you post with this name, you automatically put a block up in people's minds and they attack you instead of listening to you. Why don't you try a different approach.
I do however, wish that Muslims would police themselves. Regardless of what religion, it is hypocritical and paradoxical when zealots wish to crush all those who think different, but in the name of religions head philosopher, deity or presence who they claim stand for love and peace. If you are a muslim and you believe it is ok to force your view on others, to kill those who choose a different (or none) religion than you, then you need to reanalyze your existence and your place in the universe. If you raise your fists in rage against some other group that you claim is closed minded and only wishes to further their own religious agenda and not allow others to practice their own beliefs, yet then turn around and support those who advocate a religious government or leaders/policies/laws that forbid anyone from practicing a non Islam religion, then you my friend are your own worst enemy.
Hmmph, I really don't get all this crap anyway... seems to me that those who make belief a law, are afraid of themselves and their own lack of faith. Faith moves mountains, but many seem more bent on destroying any outside thought, while under the banner and chant of 'freedom and tolerence'. Stop they hypocricy and stupidity please.
Did you ever bother to post this news? This is the first I've heard of it.
"I'm The Bounty Bear. I will find him anywhere. I'm searching."
Yeah I live in Dalls, and I woke up to see that story in the morning... was sorta werid cuz hearing the line "FBI anti-terror squad raids local ISP." Um'yeah.......... in my pre-congnitive morning trace leads me to imagine all sorta of clock'n'dager situations... Some suspected person who's bothers friends is a terrorist named kiezer Souse anonymously posts commands to a legion of suicide Jihad-freaks. Zing... I'm awake now!! Serriously, that sabout how it went down, at least for me.
It isn't a lie if you belive it.
Kill those fucking JEWS! That's always on-topic.
Z.O.G. (Zionist Occupation Government) forces shut down these sites because they were broadcasting the truth about Jewish influence in Amerikkka.
I wish there was a button that I could push to wipe out the complete "upper asia" camel jokey holy land. There is no room for people who can't keep thier racist, facist wars contained withing the four borders of a web browser...
damn them. damn them all the hell (or nervana, or what ever the heck it is over there!!!)
It's disturbing that not only do so many commenters have a negative opinion of slashdot, but moderators think empty criticisms like this are actually worth points. If you have criticism that isn't just glib, go ahead, but otherwise if you don't like it just go the fuck away or keep it to yourself. And please don't encourage this shit by moding it up!
I usually don't swear, and I usually don't like the "if you don't like it, go away" response, but the pretentions of these sorts of posts piss me off. They remind me of high school and the all the idiots who thought they were cool because they insulted everything and everyone.
I'm not a Hindu and some what HinduUnity.org preaches scares the heck out of me. But it shouldn't be forced off its ISP by crybabies
"Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one." - A.J. Liebling.
As I understand it, the supreme court has pretty much ruled consistently with this quote. If you own a press, you can say anything that isn't libelous or obscene. If you don't own a press, you are guaranteed nothing. No one is required to help you say what you want. [*]
So, yes, sites like HinduUnity.org should be forced off their ISPs. They have a constitutional right to say what they want, but no one is required to provide them a forum to spread their hatred.
[*] - I believe there is an exception for "common carriers" - basically if you are the only game in town. This would be a huge backbone provider, not a small ISP. It wouldn't apply here.
(Keep in mind, the legal details here are all from memory. If someone has an authoritative link, please post it.)
Of course the US has been on an anti muslim witch hunt ever since the establishment of the DOF
134340: I am not a number. I am a free planet!
Now if only they could do something about the negros and those pesky hebrews...
Third class citizen's? Can we get a sourse please? I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
Israel discriminates against minorities. I'm Israeli, but I'm not two-faced enough to say otherwise. Arabs in Israel have fewer opportunities than Jews. But guess what:
Syria, our neighbor to the north, has a law requiring Syrian Jews to stay within their home towns at all times. There are old Jews in Damascus who have not left the city in their entire lives. How's that for discrimination?
Or, let's turn our gaze to Egypt. Nasser, many years ago, confiscated properties from many groups of people, mainly the Jews, Greeks, Copts and Maltese, but also rich Muslim Egyptians. Of those four groups, guess which one is not eligible for restoration of the confiscated properties, nor for compensation. You get one guess.
Let's hop one over, to Lybia, where in his first year in power, Khadaffi confiscated the homes of all the Jews, but forbade them from leaving. Italian arm twisting prevented this spectacle from continuing. They were shipped to Sicily, hence to Israel. Lybia is now Jew-free.
This is just the tip of the iceberg of racism in the Arab World. Israel is angelic in comparison.
If this were a jewish newspaper, the US government would've compensated about $2 million for damages as well as apologized sincerely to the jewish community for any damages.. but whatever.
Question is, how can we get the FBI to shut down one of the internet's biggest webhosting terrorists ... taking hostage unknowing webmasters in search of a deal ... only to have their databases stabbed through the heart in the middle of the night ... and their loved-ones spam-bombed into oblivion
Question is, how can we get the FBI to shut down the Texas based CIHost ?
How can it be racist if both sides are hateful of the other. More like mutual hate.
1. I find it hard to live next to anybody that would publically tell children on freaking SESAME STREET to go and kill me.
2. If I were palistenian, I would refuse to work for jews that looked upon me as inferior and shuffled my family about like cattle.
In other words, I find no one in the middle east has any brains at all.
We all know various histories of the areas. There is no excuse for any of it. Both peoples have a fervent hate that is based on intolerance.
Tolerance is the core of freedom. The middle east will never be free until people learn to accept each other.. NO POLITICAL SOLUTION IS POSSIBLE. I do not mean that palestinians need to go to temple, and vice versa. I mean that people are free to practice their religion next door. Whether you like them or not.
Who wins the spiritual battle? Certainly not Allah or God.
Panaflex
I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
It has been the war on drugs.
Now it's anti-terrorism.
Day by day we give up our rights. Freedom of speech is okay, except when it may anger someone, or make them sniff something that will kill them. You have protection against unreasonable search and seizure, unless you violate the above restrictions on what you can say, and then you can be violated and robbed if the government wants to.
-twb
They also ran the IQ (Iraq) TLD as seen here. The day of the RAID, the DNS went down on the primary server. It appears to be back up now.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
I wish someone would shut down slashdot for a few hours. This bad reporting makes me sick. boo hoo big bad FBI.. they obviously were doing something they shouldn't have been, people don't get ransacked with out explanation in this country, it'll come out when its time, then all of you will be like oops, or even not pay attention because something else provoked your interest to poopoo for a while. slashcrap slashcrap
The iviews site seems like a strange choice, if you dig deeper on the site, it is clearly anti-Israeli. Its there right to be anti-Israeli, but when they let their bias spread to their news, its ceases to be news and becomes merely commentary. Certainly there were better sources that could have been referenced(the person who actually posted it found one). Next time wait for someone who is not biased to submit the story with links to legitimate news sites.
My other sig is extremely clever...
From the Yahoo article ...
We're hoping to find evidence of criminal activity? WTF? Is a mere hope all it takes the FBI to get a freaking search warrant these days to carry things out in boxes?!
Be afraid ... be very afraid.
Dlugar
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Ok, so the government believes that the Holy Land Foundation has "ties" to an organization which engages in terrorist activities ... not exactly the biggest reason to shut down people ... but they go after the ISP across the street!?!?! Have they lost their mind, or is there some sort of huge thing that all (six or so that I've read) these news stories have left out?
Bizarre. Truly bizarre.
And frightening.
Dlugar
Computer Go: Writing Software to Play the Ancient Game of Go
How about the Bush family's extensive holdings in IG Farben and the other companies that manufactured weapons such as poison gas for the Third Reich?
http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve3/1033bush.html
Yeah yeah ralph youre no superman your a wimp and wont even face this jew - some superman you are
FUCK OFF YOUR CRAP IS NOT WELCOME HERE
Legally, you are absolutely correct. I'm talking morally, though.
HinduUnity's words condemn them. Muslim groups that want to shut them down, and force them off of their servers provide evidence for their paranoia. It also drew a lot more attention to them.
Leaving them alone would have been best, but these idjits just couldn't _stand_ to have something somewhere that they found offensive. Substitute "porn" or "Howard Stern" or "neo-Nazi" or whatever for "Hindu Unity" and you'll get the idea.
Like I said, people piss and moan when something happens to a site they agree with but shrug their shoulders when it is something they don't agree with. Well I'm pissing and moaning even when I don't agree with it. And I don't think taking a bunch of sites down for a few hours while the FBI collects evidence is nearly as big of a deal as mob action against unpopular opinions. But that's just me.
-jon
Remember Amalek.
Fuck both you, the Nazis lost. (if they had not given up by August 1945, the US would have used atomic bombs based on a Jew's theories to blow them away).
A grand jury has supeanoed records.. full details are here .
Since the warrant is sealed, we shouldn't be too quick to jump to the conclusion that the raid is somehow directed at the Muslim clients. If it is, we can be outraged when the truth comes out. If it is not, we're just reinforcing the stereotype that Muslims are somehow always doing things shady enough to warrant 80-some FBI agents at a time. Few people will learn or remember that this was a false alarm.
Consider another possibility: wasn't that recent big kiddie porn case also based in Texas? It's hardly unreasonable to ask if this might be that site reborn. It would certainly explain the agents keeping quiet, especially if they're actively monitoring attempts to connect to that site since they took control.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
I'm glad to hear the FBI is looking out for us and that they were able to put together a force with enough intimidation to make their point. It might be a little different if people were shot and killed, but there doesn't sound like there is any permanent damage.
(WASHINGTON, DC - 9/6/2001) - American Muslim leaders today said a raid Wednesday on a Texas internet business was part of an "anti-Muslim witch hunt" promoted by the pro-Israel lobby in America. Early yesterday morning, more than 80 agents from the FBI, INS, Customs Service, and other federal agencies raided the offices of Infocom Corporation in Richardson, Texas.
In a statement released at a news conference outside Infocom's headquarters, the Muslim groups said:
"American Muslims view yesterday's action as just one of a long list of attempts by the pro-Israel lobby to intimidate and silence all those who wish to see Palestinian Muslims and Christians free themselves of a brutal Apartheid-like occupation. We believe the genesis of this raid lies not in Washington, but in Tel Aviv.
"Hundreds of innocent American businesses and citizens are being harmed by the government's actions. This incident can only serve to marginalize millions of American Muslims who are committed to the betterment of our diverse society.
"While Muslims understand the FBI's mission to protect American citizens, we are concerned that the civil liberties of Infocom's owners and their many important clients were violated by this unexpected raid. Such an assault leaves the Muslim community and the public at large with many unanswered questions and a lingering sense of violation. We expect the FBI to provide a prompt and full disclosure of the circumstances that led to this raid, the basis of their suspicions and the evidence for which they were searching.
"It is disturbing that American law enforcement agencies are now perceived by American Muslims and Arab-Americans as being tools in the hands of a foreign government. Our elected officials must not allow Israel to import its unjust and discriminatory policies to this country or to mislabel peaceful challenges to those policies as 'support for terrorism.'"
Groups represented at the news conference included American Muslim Council, American Muslims for Jerusalem, American Muslim Alliance, Council on American-Islamic Relations, Islamic Society of North America, Islamic Circle of North America, Islamic Association for Palestine, Muslim Alliance in North America, Muslim Public Affairs Council, and Muslim Student Association of US and Canada.
Infocom hosts web sites for some 500 companies worldwide. For several years, Infocom and other Muslim entities in Texas have been the focus of pressure from pro-Israel groups who object to American Muslim support for Palestinian human and political rights. Authorities did not reveal the motive for the raid except to say it was part of an "ongoing investigation."
One of Infocom's clients whose web site was shut down by the raid is Qatar-based Al-Jazeera satellite television network. Al-Jazeera, a popular and respected Arabic news outlet, has frequently been criticized by Israel for its reporting on that state's brutal policies in the Occupied Territories.
The raid came just weeks after a Wall Street Journal column by Steven Emerson and Daniel Pipes that called for just such an action by the government. They wrote: "...the federal authorities should use the tools it already has for closing down these Web sites and organizations."
Muslims say Emerson and Pipes are infamous pro-Israel "muslim-bashers" who have a long history of defaming their community.
SEE: "Steven Emerson's Crusade," http://www.fair.org/extra/9901/emerson.html and "Who is Daniel Pipes?," http://www.cair-net.org/misc/people/daniel_pipes.h tml
This
I thought we'd settled this with Steve Jackson Games.
Do we have any info yet on what this is about?
....kind of like how American tax dollars find their way to Israel in the form of kewl Apache helicopters used to assassinate Palestinian political leaders?
Actually, the original poster (in response to me is correct) in a way. First off, when the Romans conquered Israel in 70 CE (AD), they renamed the region Palestine to honor the Philistinian people - a Helenized, nomadic sea people - and to disgrace the Jews. Later, under the British mandate, it continued to call the region Palestine. When Jews would immigrate to Israel, all the way prior to 1948, they had to carry cards identifying them as "Palestinian."
Part of the hardcore faithful who believed in Apple long before it was cool again to do so
That guy's funny, mod him up.
There, that's got to be my moderating contribution for the next 10 years I reckon.
Post any story on slash that has a muslim or arab highlight to it and watch the Jews show their racist side. Every comment will have a comment by a Jew telling us something negative about Arabs or Muslims, even though the story might not have anything to do with Jews or the conflict in the Middle East.
Right now the Jews in the US are strong and they have money but Muslims are emerging fast in the US and are getting strong fast and the Jewry in the US is panicking. This is just one aspect of their panic, use their influence to get as many Muslim orgs as they can banned.
I will tell you what American Jew work as fast as you can because you dont have much time, 10 maybe 15 years, before muslims are as influential or maybe more influential than you. We will see who can save Isreal after that!
I think the FBI if nothing else was probably planting bugs, may be even carnivore type stuff so that they can intercept or ease drop on communications in these Muslim Organizations.
There are at least 20 Arabs/Muslims in Jail right now without being told of their crime. Their American Attorneys can't even see that evidence. They can be held like this because they are not US citizens. In most of the cases the suspects are Green card holders. At least they told Skylarov what crime he was being held on.
The cases are usually thrown out once a judge is allowed to review the evidence against the suspects, but this can take years, average of 4 years per case before the judge gets to see the actual evidence. The evidence usually is an anonymous phone call from an enemy or a former wife or a news paper article from a small town news paper insinuating terrorism charges without any concrete evidence.
The reason the warrant is sealed in this case is probably that the evidence is very weak. If you don't agree there is a bias against Muslims or Arabs then read about these so called "Secret Evidence" cases.
Neither, especially when both of them are the same being/god. Same dad, different sons.
Interesting how everybody stayed away from this comment. Political correctness at its best.
A few points:
One can enjoy Slashdot and criticize it at the same time.
Less is more; briefness is not always thoughtlessness.
That said, your point is well taken. Positive criticism is usually better than cynicism.
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Of course I swallowed. What is there that tastes better than a good gulp of sperm? That's right, gaydot, nothing. Nothing I say. Nothing! That's why I swallowed. I always swallow, and I always will. Gaydot, you're with me on this aren't you?
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How many FBI agents does it take to shut down a web server?
SIG: TAKE OFF EVERY 'CAPTAIN'!!
Funny, but Israel IS a terrorist state according to the USA definition:
The DOD definition of terrorism is:
"the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."
http://www.terrorism.com/terrorism/bpart1.html
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Taking a hard-line stance like you do only provokes others to automatically take the 'opposing view.' You have no objectivity and much arrogance. Reminds me much of the style utilized by Gary Condit.
I'm not a Jew, so I'll reply to this.
- there are no other replies to this comment, so immediately you are proven a liar (as no jews have replied to it)
- 98% of the comments I have read say nothing negative about Muslims or Arabs. In fact, the general concensus is that the FBI actions seem a tad harsh and possibly unnecessary
- So far the most racism I have seen in response to this story is that inherent in your post. e.g. "American Jew work as fast as you can because you dont have much time" is blatantly a racist threat.
How about you learn how to be tolerant to other people and their religions - after all, isn't Islam meant to be more tolerant of 'single god' religions than any other religion out there?
~Cederic worries about people like khannakhazana
At the risk of becoming serious flame-bait here, anyone stop to consider, that maybe the Feds are right here, and that the warrant is sealed for a reason, and not some government-coverup conspiracy crap?
Not everything the government does is evil - lets give the facts time to shake out before we castrate the government for this one. That is, if the facts ever come out...
(note - this was origionally posted as a reply to the wrong news item. D'OH!)
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson
The IDF has previously asked that the terrorists be arrested, per treaty. They were not arrested, they were allowed to roam freely and continue to openly participate in terrorist activities.
In 1967 Israel was under a naval blockade by Egypt, commonly considered an act of war. This is why the Northern U.S. could not block Southern ports during the U.S. Civil war- it would have opened the door to direct foreign involvement. War was imminent in 1967. If you have your fist back to punch me, and I kick you, can you really claim that I started the fight?
NPR is nowhere near unbiased.
makes no provision for "sealed warrents" at all. This is blatently unconstitutional (to say nothing of the constitutional problems with the FBI and similar agencies conducting armed raids, that is, THEY HAVE NO JURISDICTION) and will continue until Americans decide to defend the Constitution by whatever means neccisary or until the courts decide to read the 4th (and the rest of the bill of rights) and says "sealed warrents are probably not consititutional, so we shouldn't issue them. Oh, and the FBI really only has jurisdiction on federal property, so maybe we shouldn't have them execute search and seizure on private property."
This republic is slowly turning into a police state. Remember Elian? a blatently unconstitutional kidnapping basically ordered by the EXECUTIVE BRANCH (unconstituional). That's my favorite, that picture of the federal agent is our future. One day you'll be looking down the barrel of that automatic weapon, maybe you'll notice that the agent has his finger in the trigger guard, maybe you'll do some research on what our domestic security forces are packing and realize you're an agent's twitch and one second away from 15 9 or 10mm chunks of lead puncturing you. Maybe you'll realize that you and the general public will never know the names of these federal agents (unless the federal government makes a mistake), so when your rights are violated you can't even bring charges or sue.
Ever hear of Lon Horiuchi? If you or I had killed somebody's defenseless wife with a high-powered rifle regardless of what legitimate targets might be in the vicinity (like I suppose a deer, since that's all civilians are supposed to own rifes for, I guess), we'd be called a murderer, tried, and probably rot in jail. If a government employee does it he's "dedicated and hard-working" and "just following orders."
Ja, ja. We've heard that one before. So much for "never again," eh? Well, the moral of the story is when it gets to the point that you're hiding in the attic, please, when they come for you, TAKE SOME WITH YOU.
AC's cheerfully ignored
Do you own any Mutual Funds? You may also own part of IG Farben.
Look at any world map before 1945, there's a clearly marked country calledcalled 'Palestine'.
Yes, but called it that? When, and why?
Have you read my journal today?
Yawn. Flamebait.
i know I did... I am begining to suspect this is the work of a full-time moderator... maybe one assigned to slashdot.org with unlimited number of moderator points. Sort of like an 'outside' editor that snops around writers in news agency... telling them which story is newsworthy and which one should be supressed.
Palestinian Arabs had lived for over 1400 years in peace with every one in their country, there are peace full people the are defending their lives, land, in war against by Zionist Jews.
You are so funny. You make it sound as if everyone loves the Palestinians. As if all Arabs live together in perfect harmony. Aren't the Palestinians most of Jordan, but have no control. Weren't their rights to own land recinded in Labanon? Aren't they still in refugee camps for over fifty years when they could easily be given housing in neighboring states.
You may disagree with how the Israelis treat the Palestinians, and it is your right to express that opinion. But don't lie about how they are treated by others. And by themselves.
Have you read my journal today?
ahem *clear throat*
fuck the fbi and their racist bullshit. every one of those nazi criminals-with-badges can burn in hell.
What makes it even more pathetic is the fact that there is no such thing as "god". These people are killing each other over a conflict of mythologies! Astounding.
Along with agents from the State Department, U.S. Customs and the U.S. Secret Service, the FBI began their search at Infocom Corporation, based in Richardson, Texas earlier this morning.
FBI> find subversive islamic web server
> I don't see any subversive islamic web server here.
taka
my other post is +5 insightful
Well it sure keeps your religion from losing to MTV!, 00.html
In England it is: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001310271
So this works well for both sides. Sure you kill a few followers but it beats having you power base being destroyed by MTV, the Green Party, and the Occult.
Heck you wouldn't want those people to start thinking for themselves. They might eat PORK! Or they might drink beer! Or any of those REALLY important things that are worth killing each other for...
I'm all for morals, and ethics, but when you have to keep killing others in the process it kinda makes the rest of your "values" fscked. Seems the Christers learned that after slaughtering the Native Americans, and it still continues today with a few Doctor Assassins but no where near what goes on there.
I'm not a kettle calling the pot black here. We in the US of A are far from "rational" with how we conduct or lives. We execute people... Thanks to the Internet you can see a lovely video of a real old fashion stoning... Stoning or electric chair the end result is the same that the STATE has killed. The STATE is supposed to be BETTER than it's people. How can the STATE say killing is wrong then do it?!? We take mentally ill people and throw them in prisons for being ill, or people who are addicts. Science shows us that for many it's NOT a matter of will power or moral fiber that makes a person an addict. It's the brain chemistry and social situation of the person, but still we act like people from the Salem witch hunts. Blind to facts and sucking the teat of lies from the press.
Nuff Said.
The anti-Arab hysteria of our government is best demonstrated by the fact that the FBI confiscated as "evidence" from our offices an Arabic Bible!
Searches of News organizations are governed by the Privacy Protection Act of 1980
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not every card carrying religious member is actually living up to the commandments, many are not.
the example of the colonization, and massacre of the various indigenous peoples commited by the various european nations(and other indiginous peoples) should in no way be used to denounce the actual teachings of the religions-as these atrocities are transgressions against God's Laws as revealed by the prophets.
I don't care about it being a largely Muslim site or rather supporting a lot of Muslim web presence. What I care about is that our government can come in on some pretext and copy any of our computer files in toto and even cart of our machines without even specifying what it is about. That is extremenly frightening and quite antithetical to any sort of genuine human freedom. RISE UP!
It is not the Muslims or any other smokescreen that is under attack and oppression here. It is all of us.
like pictures, carvings,photos... :-)
as a consolation, GUI too
but command line is allowed
Jewish interests have grown into the US administration like a tapeworm growing into human bowels. That's the reason the US is blindly backing Israel's interests despite its human right violations against native Palestinians. During ongoing anti racism conference in South Africa, US walked out because other nations were convinced that Zionism is a form of racism. Once 'the land of the free' now it has been changed into a Trojan horse by a clever minority. Shalom.
This all started when the government decided to take away due process of law when dealing with what they claim to be terrorism cases. What this means is that they can do things without filing any charges or reasons, or showing any evidence. This is calles secret evidence, and has been used to detain nearly 30 Muslims -- all without any evidence, charges or any due process of law. This is unconstitutional, but the joint terrorism task force has given themself "above the law" status, so they act with free raine against the people of the United States.
What you can do?
Call you congressional representative and insist that he/she support HR1266, The Secret Evidence Repeal Act of 2001. This Act is aimed to re-instate due process of law as promised in our US Constitution. We can not allow our constitution to be hyjacked by special interest groups (ADL) who care more about foreign governments that our own people and our own nation.
Go to http://www.politics.yahoo.com and enter your zip code to find your Rep. Also check out CAIR -- they have good info on this issue.
An Anonymous Reader writes: "An 80-strong U.S. FBI agents raided the Texas-based host of Arabic Web sites, including that of the Arab world's leading independent news channel, prompting charges on Thursday of an 'anti-Muslim witchhunt.'" The Reuters story is at Yahoo! as well. Did you know there was a North Texas Joint Terrorism Task Force, or that it would be shutting down ISPs?
Notice arab, 'anti-Muslim witchhunt', and an anonymous person. This might have something to do with the tragic events of the past few days. Just some speculation.
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