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Re:You got the causation backwards
Nice work, you don't see too many people actually put in the research effort around here.
However, assuming that your numbers are correct, $2.25B for 280,618 full-time-equivalent students, adjusted for consumer price index is $11,550 per student in 2016 dollars. Compare that to $3.4B spent on 410,758 students works out to just $8,277 per student, a nearly 29% drop.
If, as you assert,
The real problem there is the same as many places, vastly more overpaid administrators, not enough spent on students and education.
then the problem is likely worse than it appears.
I am not sure how to get historical tuition costs (especially considering the 20+ campuses in the Cal State system), but it would make for an interesting comparison.
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Re:You got the causation backwards
Nice work, you don't see too many people actually put in the research effort around here.
However, assuming that your numbers are correct, $2.25B for 280,618 full-time-equivalent students, adjusted for consumer price index is $11,550 per student in 2016 dollars. Compare that to $3.4B spent on 410,758 students works out to just $8,277 per student, a nearly 29% drop.
If, as you assert,
The real problem there is the same as many places, vastly more overpaid administrators, not enough spent on students and education.
then the problem is likely worse than it appears.
I am not sure how to get historical tuition costs (especially considering the 20+ campuses in the Cal State system), but it would make for an interesting comparison.
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Re:You got the causation backwards
Ok, I went and looked at the California State University system. 1999-2000 Allocation (Funding) $2.25 billion. 2016-2017 $3.4 billion, the highest it has ever been. It peaked near $3 billion around 2010, fell off for a few years and bounced way back. Maybe you should go work at a CSU? The real problem there is the same as many places, vastly more overpaid administrators, not enough spent on students and education.
Sources
http://www.calstate.edu/budget...
http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/2016... -
Re:Doesn't anyone pay as they go anymore?
It does? CSUN, Cal State Northridge (northern suburb of Los Angeles), is around half the number you state. I'm pretty sure you'll find most State universities are closer to this number as well. Sure, it's not an "ivy league" education, but for $600/month, that's not a really high expense. Minimum wage in LA County is $12 per hour, so yeah - you have to work 50 hours a month to cover tuition. For most students, this really won't be a big stretch (other than cutting into the beer and party funds)...
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Re:Who determines what your job will be?
This money is used by the universities/colleges to keep tuition lower...
For state colleges, this is correct. That is why in state tuition is lower than out of state tuition, because the state taxes cover a portion of the college costs. I don't know if private colleges get state funding.
Don't forget that pretty much all accredited colleges and universities get not only state funds (if they are officially state-sponsored), but also Federal funds, even if it's only through Federally guaranteed loans and grants made to the students.
However, that doesn't address the real issue: tuition seems to have been rising steadily over the years. When I went to college, all I had to pay was $70 per quarter—the University of California system still prided itself on being "tuition-free", so they called that $70 a "fee". That was 1966. In 2010, they still call what the students pay "fees", but the amount has gone up:
All students enrolling at the CSU pay the systemwide State University Fee which is currently $4,026 per academic year for undergraduate students enrolling in more than 6 units per term and $2,334 for undergraduates enrolling in 6 or fewer units.
... These fees vary by campus. The fee information in this section reflects the combined total of systemwide and campus fees for undergraduates.Students who are not classified as residents of the state of California must also pay nonresident tuition when enrolling for courses at the CSU. Nonresident tuition is currently assessed at the rate of $372 per semester unit or $248 per quarter unit with an academic year maximum of $11,160.
It looks like in-state tuition is about 4 thousand dollars per year at the University of California. Hmm. That doesn't sound too bad, does it? Aren't these people overreacting just a tad? Also...I remember the chicks as being prettier.
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Lots of life in the Antarctic - if you look for it
This doesn't surprise me too much. The SCINI Project has been finding neat stuff for some time now, even while they were just testing their equipment.
Microbes have even been found living in the ice of the polar plateau (at constant temperatures around -50C).
And check out Anoxycalyx Joubini (Volcano Sponge), some specimens of which are thought to be 15,000 years old and still living. These are animals that make those Sequoia look like juveniles.
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Check yourself,
This isn't new. The government's sneaky voyeurs have pulled this shit time and time again against nonviolent "subversives".
The thing which scares me more is the CLETS.
CLETS is basically a law-enforcement database which compiles info on people regardless of charge or conviction. I found out about it after my buddy interviewed well for a prison job only to be called at the last minute -- he was denied employment(even after having passed the DOJ LiveScan) because of a petty theft charge of which he was never convicted. Doing more research, we found that basically any cop can write anything about you that they want whether or not you were charged or convicted. It's a sneaky way to criminalize somebody without actually going through the legal motions.
It's been awhile since I checked it out, but from what I recall it had something to do with www.leo.gov and its "public inquiry" phone number led to a place in West Virginia!
I wasn't able to find all the details(who may access the database etc.) but I suggest that you Californians follow the yellow brick road and hopefully discover what the good ol' boys think about you, before it bites you in the ass someday. Happy hunting. -
Re:Why fix what isn't broken?
As an alumnus I like to point out why the Cal Tech usage is in addition to being wrong, also confusing. Cal, when used to refer to institutions of higher learning in California, always(?) refers to either the University of California e.g. Cal Berkeley, Cal(R) Bears, http://calbears.cstv.com/ or to one of the California State University campuses http://www.calstate.edu/ with particular attention to Cal Poly. I sure wish I had a Cal Poly sweatshirt given the number of times people have confused Caltech and Cal Poly. In any case, Caltech is in neither the Cal State University System, nor the University of California System.
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ADA violation
This seems like a plum violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Employers and potential employers must offer alternative means to submit a job application. Differerntly-abled individuals with visual and motor impairments could make an excellent case. ADA guidelines and California rules and interpretations of the law are already having significant impact on my employer. Web developers who don't consider accessibility might want to consider alternative employment as your employer may soon be sued.
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Re:Yahoo may be boring
Not true. I am just finishing up a BA (yes, BA) at a CSU school (with a 3.7, not 4. GPA), and they emailed me after seeing my resume online.
I'm in the middle of interviewing them. They have one of the better selection processes I have seen; there is none of the buzzword BS that I see with headhunters--Headhunters and companies looking for buzzwords like "Python" or "SQL" need to realize that a competent programmer can learn most any language within a week; the issue is whether the programmer can write maintainable code with good algorithms, not whether they can lie on their resume about non-existant Java experience or whatever the buzzword is this week.
The last phone screening covered a lot of classical CS theory and was very enjoyable and informitive. -
Re:Why I should never go to AntarticaBeen there, done that, they (emperors) didn't care much, though we weren't in the group responsible for tackling and imprisoning them. Nor do they care about 2-cycle snowmobile motors or large red Snow-Cat like vehicles. The penguin research group actually had several wander up to their enclosure, wait patiently, then walk in when someone opened the door.
Adelies were a bit more skittish, but even they would stroll up and give you a good looking over from a range of a few feet.
DISCLAIMER: No penguins were harmed in the filming of our research!
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Re:Why I should never go to AntarticaBeen there, done that, they (emperors) didn't care much, though we weren't in the group responsible for tackling and imprisoning them. Nor do they care about 2-cycle snowmobile motors or large red Snow-Cat like vehicles. The penguin research group actually had several wander up to their enclosure, wait patiently, then walk in when someone opened the door.
Adelies were a bit more skittish, but even they would stroll up and give you a good looking over from a range of a few feet.
DISCLAIMER: No penguins were harmed in the filming of our research!
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Re:Why I should never go to AntarticaBeen there, done that, they (emperors) didn't care much, though we weren't in the group responsible for tackling and imprisoning them. Nor do they care about 2-cycle snowmobile motors or large red Snow-Cat like vehicles. The penguin research group actually had several wander up to their enclosure, wait patiently, then walk in when someone opened the door.
Adelies were a bit more skittish, but even they would stroll up and give you a good looking over from a range of a few feet.
DISCLAIMER: No penguins were harmed in the filming of our research!
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Iron's panacea status is not solid.
All iron seeding studies as of 2003, confirmed the consumption of CO2 but
Other gases are produced (eg DMS), and other limiting nutrients (nitrates and phosphorous) are used up.
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What has *not* been found is any proof that any additional carbon sinks to the ocean floor and gets buried, thus entering long-term storage.Fast forward to 2004.
There is an article in nature, published on March 17 2004, whose abstract says iron is not a panacea
Only a small proportion of the mixed-layer POC [particulate organic carbon] was intercepted by the traps.
Audio interview, (8:36 ogg, 3.3Mb) with one of the authors. Source story. ... The depletion of silicic acid and the inefficient transfer of iron-increased POC below the permanent thermocline have major implications ... for proposed geo-engineering schemes to increase oceanic carbon sequestration.Apparently the study linked to in the original post has two studies who's results will be published in April 2004
... in the same issue of Science ... [which] indicate that much of the carbon sank to hundreds of meters below the surface.So what do we know for sure? Adding iron does cause a bloom, and does drawdown CO2 but other nutrients are used up and the CO2's ultimate fate is debatable.
The conflicting results could be regional variation in ocean conditions, but IANAO.
Either way global warming is real, and the film may bring to light the severity of future changes.
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Re:Flamebait and FUD.
1. Ok. And if that bothers you that much (even though in my book it's comaring Apple iPods to oranges since it's not really a peripheral in its primary use), then it must not be for you. No problems. As for me, and many others, I'd never buy a PC that cheap. iPods are definitely targeted at people with good computers (heck, many "$300" computers don't have USB2.0 or FireWire built in). People with bottom-of-the-line bargain basement PC's probably want the various $50 32MB flash MP3 players because clearly they've made a decision to save money instead of buying top-quality technology products. They also tend to have dial-up which lessens the likelyhood that they have many GB of MP3's.
2. I didn't mean to say it's unbreakable. But it's not fragile. I've dropped mine several times. I did have a minor problem early on with mine (this was also before I'd really dropped it at all) and Apple took it and fixed it and overnighted it back all in less than a week. and it's been fine since. It's got a warranty, and when that runs out, put it on your homeowner's insurance or the excellent Safeware policy.
> what college [do] you go to where you see so many kids walking around with $300 MP3 players?
I go to San Francisco State University, an urban public university that describes itself as having undergraduate fees that "are still the lowest in the nation when compared with similar public higher education institutions." In other words, like most of the second-tier California State University system, SFSU is a school with a large majority of students from California working-class and low-income families. Having spent about 1.5 years here, I can confidently say that the "obscenely rich" make up a tiny, tiny portion of the students on this campus.
> Do these kids drive $20,000 cars to school as well?
Actually, many do. Now I have absolutely no idea how they afford those. And we have lots of these Asian guys with these little Hondas with all the extensive racing mods and those huge spoilers. They must work, a lot.
Anyway, though, my point was that $300 isn't that much money. Really, it's not. My roommate spent that much on a video card and 3D games in the last year. The iPod is no different--it's the best player, so if you like music, you make sacrifices and get one. For me, it was bought on my American Express card and ultimately paid for with Financial Aid money. I don't even have a job. I also don't have a car, which saves me thousands every year.
Lots of college students own things that cost more than $300. Car payments/insurance, insane video cards and gaming consoles/software, and designer clothes are a much bigger expense for most students than an iPod would be.
Oh, and while we're talking college, iPods start at $269 at the Apple Store for Education (telesales and Web), and at the Apple campus resellers located on most college campuses. So that's the price that should be compared when you're talking about the college MP3-player market.
> Again, the iPod is merely an item for those who can afford to drop $300 on a MP3 player...
And again, without any offense intended toward anyone, all these cheap imitations are merely items for those who can't. Neither of these statements are very informational, and the cost issue doesn't have any bearing on whether you should buy an iPod. If you can't afford one, you can't buy one. If you can afford one, then in my opinion is it's worth your money. -
Pick a good CS school; Learn languages on your ownI think that regardless of the stature (and price) of the college or university you attend, you can make a big difference in your knowledge the subject by your own personal projects while at school. Be a geek - do technical stuff just to learn from it, and you don't have to wait for college to start on that. So pick as good a Computer Science school as you can afford and plan to continue to pursue programming as a hobby anyway while at school. That way you'll make yourself stand out from the crowd when you interview for entry-level software engineering jobs.
As a rule of thumb to start with, universities which have their Computer Science program under the same school or department as Engineering are preferable over ones which associate it with their Math department.
Make sure the Computer Science program you attend has a curriculum with sufficiently difficult classes in
- several programming languages
- algorithms and data structures
- operating systems
- advanced classes in your choice of several areas of empahsis:
- systems design
- databases
- mathematics
- business
I got my BSCS (1988) and MSCS (1991) at California State University, Chico. As a northern California native who does not come from a wealthy background, I had to focus on state schools in my search for a college to go to.
Fortunately, you can get a good education from a state university. But you have to check how well-funded the Computer Science program is and the quality of its curriculum. At least for the 23-campus CSU system, one university can be world class in a few majors and mediocre in everything else at the campus. California's UC system is better funded (and therefore better at more subjects per campus) but more expensive. What you want to know is whether they're good in Computer Science. Depending on where you live, some of these comparisons will hopefully be helpful in what to look for.
I was lucky that the nearest CSU campus (CSU Chico) to where I went to high school had a good curriculum and reputation in Computer Science, not to mention that their MSCS program is available via satellite across North America. And I run into CSU Chico grads all over the industry now.