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Wait a minute, if a baker can be forced to bake a wedding cake, a pizza shop forced to make pizzas, and a photographer forced to photograph weddings they find offensive, why can't a DNS provider be forced to provide DNS services for a group they dislike?

Is it because Google has 'Terms of Services' that says they don't have to provide services to people and groups they find offensive?

That's BS, under the public accommodation laws that hit bakeries, pizza parlors, and photographers, how can Google (or GoDaddy) get away with this?

An honest politician is one who stays bought. Frankly, it's about time the games industry started using its money to bribe the Congresscritters. The Uptight Christians Brigade has been doing it for years, and getting in the way of everybody who just wants to kick back and enjoy the only life any of us are going to get.

Lawrence Lessig supports net neutrality and so should you. http://www.lessig.org/ The Christian Coalition supports it, too. http://www.cc.org/content.cfm?id=329&srch=neutrali ty

For that matter, why should we Americans give a damn about any injustice happening elsewhere in the world? Why don't we just seal up our borders and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist?

Like a proper little Darwin

Like a proper little Darwin

They are only considered "Religous Right" if they score well on the Christian Coalitions scorecards. Here is a sample score card

Actually I believe these guys have the most dangerous convention. The fact that they seem to happen all over the country and even internationally every week or so just makes it even more disturbing.

If you were suggesting a vast, global conspiracy of physicists has organized itself to fraudulently claim the existance of a particle which is of interest mostly only to them- then I think you need to adjust your tinfoil hat.

Yeah, that's simply ridiculous. That would be like positing a world-wide organization of people who proclaimed, and attempted to convince their followers to believe in, the existence of a ghost in the sky who created and controls the entire universe.

I guess you'd think that organization secured for its leaders influence over politics and broadcasting and political leaders. You might even think that this organization has its own country, and a leader who claims infallible knowledge of morality.

Clearly, if you believe such a conspiracy exists, you need to adjust your tin-foil hat.

However, my critics are overlooking the dangers of triclavianistic doctrines: allowing adiaphora to creep into our credenda -- while possibly pushing the theologoumenic envelope and providing exciting new opportunities for supererogative works -- will most often serve to muddy the soteriological foundation of Faith, leading in general to ultramontane excesses and, in extreme cases, ebaptization (which is unacceptable pastoral malpractice, however rare it may be.)

Still, it's very scary. Thanks for the link.

>Look, I'm a lot more likely to accept claims made by people with PhDs and 60 years of experience in this stuff than random slashdotters as far as how much food we have for people, BUUUT, that being said, I was only posting quotes from the show.

Granted. Regardless of what alphabet soup you have trailing your name, its hard to fully quantify how much food is made worldwide, its not like everyone who makes food reports to a central authority or anything. I've heard estimates both ways.

Yeah, Greenepeace is probably a little overzealous. I'm trying to remember where it was that I heard someone talking about the wisdom that his father had passed on to him, that it's necessary to have extremists to some extent on both sides to help keep the majority of the population in check... with only arch-conservative or only ultra-liberal factins who speak out (which is really what the majority of the world doesn't do, and that is speak out) the people wouldn't have a difference of opinion to choose from. Anti-government and anti-capitalist forces are necessary, I think anyway, to continually challenge existing systems so they don't become decadent.

>Greepeace is a corporation themselves, and they suck, in too many ways to describe. I think the biggest one is, though, that they LIE, and not just a little, a LOT and OFTEN.

Greenpeace is not for profit organization, which isn't to say that they don't have an agenda (they do) or that they always tell the truth (they don't) but they don't really have a product to sell. They're an activist group like the ACLU on the libertarian side politically or the Christian Coalition on the authoritarian side. As for the lying, not to use the excuse that "everyone does it" but the truth is everyone in politics and economics does do it, intentionally or unintentionally, since they have an adgenda and varying degrees of ethics in achieving said adgenda. I don't think its right to hold them to a higher standard than, oh, another few entities.

I know they're just quotes, but I think it was Orwell who said something about blind reproduction of quotes, stastics, and figures lets others do the thinking for you. Food for thought ^_^.

... will never happen in schools and universities. These bastards won't tolerate it. Critical thinking is inimical to Christianity; it tends to expose the fact that the religion is 99.999% bullshit by volume

Seriously, who would? Even Disney flicks have some violence or implied violence at times, and the hero isn't rescuing the heroine just to serve her tea and crumpets at his castle. It seems that the Uptight Christians' Brigade can't figure that out. Never mind the "Moral Majority" -- be wary of the Moron Majority.

Hrm... Between coorporate greed and religious fanaticism things look pretty bleak...

People keep comparing western ideas to eastern ideas, old religions to new religions, and etcetera. This isn't about any of that. This is simply banning access to information to maintain power. No corruptive power can maintain its position while allowing a free flowing exchange of ideas. It cannot happen. Not here, not there, not anywhere.

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"President Bush's plan for faith-based groups helping their local communities?"

Not Bush's plan, Ralph Reed's, announced while Bush was on the campaign trail, in concert with Wisconsin's Tommy Thompson (see next).

• 'faith-based' groups-whose faith? In Wisconsin, where this originated, the great majority of the groups that initially replied and were 'selected' (favored by the State?) were Xtian. Many dropped out of the program, because it required they submit their books to government scrutiny, (something that is not in the Federal proposal-and something most of these 'leaders' consider pure poison.)
• 'faith-based' groups don't currently pay taxes, and unlike 501-C3 non-profits (Sierra Club, etc.), don't have to declare their campaign contributions or open their books to IRS scrutiny, and public access. If a 501-C3 is found to have 'significantly' contributed in a 'partisan' manner (also known as lobbying) whether in the interests of their members or not, they are subject to lose their tax-exempt status, subject to review and appeal. Additionally, 501-C3's books must be public. This was the argument the US used against the Scientologists, and why they sued to become a Church. 501-C3's have to walk a fine line (which churches don't, ever) in order to represent the interests of their members to gub'mint.

Careful Zaphod, your slip is showing.

BTW, I'm not saying 'faith-based' is a bad idea: just make it open to all faiths (including - *shudder* - Scientologists, Wiccans, Satanists, etc.), and use the same rules that you use for non-faith-based public charities (same with school vouchers). Then let's see how many of these 'churches' line up for the free handout from Uncle Sugar.

let's take France for example

Yes, let's. It's as good as any to display the fallacy inherent in your claim.

last presidential elections, there were more than a dozen parties running, ranging from comunists, socialists, greens, republicans...all the way to extreme right wing party...those are just a few of the most important ones

For what appears to be a complete enumeration of French political parties please see this wonderful list.

so you see, to someone used to seeing a great variety of political parties, the choice between republicans and democrats is really irrelevant, since they will pretty much do the same thing with just a few minor differences.

Now we get to the heart of the fallacy. You conclude that since we only use two names for our parties that we only have two factions. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our political process is actually at least as diverse as any other industrialized nation and probably more so.

The two parties are both so fractured into warring factions that an election doesn't pass without some pithy political pundit publically pondering the possibility that the Log Cabin Republicans will finally force the Christian Coalition to disperse itself into a new political entity. And while it's difficult to find public discussion of the infighting among the Democratic factions one simply needs to compare the agenda of the AFL-CIO, with it's heavy focus on keeping high-polluting manufacturing jobs domestic, and the Sierra Club's focus on the environment above all else to see that the party is as fundamentally fractured as the GOP.

The net result is that our government is effectively run by a coalition of factions, just as in other western nations. While we don't explicitly name the factions, no one doubts that they exist. John McCain's agenda was markedly different from George Bush's which is markedly different from Pat Robertson's. Al Gore and Bill Bradley were representing completely different interests and constituencies than Jesse Jackson.

See past the simplistic media presentation to what's really there.

daniel

"...and haters of Christianity to establish the "New World Order" that plays into the hands of the Antichrist."

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That's very good. Now, let's put your jacket back on. Yes, the one with the extra long arms you love so much.

Pssst. By the way, I think you're on the wrong website. Try here. :>


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qmail replaces sendmail as the standard MTA (sendmail was written by a prominent homosexual)

But I don't think this goes far enough to describe how many alternatives would have to be found to classic RedHat (or SuSE or Debian or FreeBSD or DR-DOS or Novell or NT or etc) for the strictly homophobic Christian Coalition supporter to ensure that they aren't using homo-authored/contributed material. I would also like to encourage the Jesux maintainers to pre-configure squidGaurd to ensure that the homo-contributed sections of Apache are never indirectly used by locking out any site which claims to be using Apache in the HTTP header. I have the nessary modifications available but I have questioned my own sexuality a couple times so to ensure the purity of Jesux squidGaurd configuration someone more blessed should make the offical modification. It also states on the list of feature that the Emacs "doctor" has been modified to do "pastor" which is a great feature. But since Emacs is distributed from the FSF with such material as "sex.6" and "condem.6", I would request that the Jesux distribution find an altertive to Emacs/Elisp to run "pastor." I belive the authors of Common Lisp walk the straight and narrow, possibly pastor can be executed by their hevenily enviroment.