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Compaq had LINUX support as early as 1999. In fact Compaq had an alliance with Red Hat:

http://www.chguy.net/news/jun99/press_compaq.html

And some models of their servers came pre-installed with Red Hat:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT= 104&STORY=/www/story/11-21-2000/0001371236&EDATE=

That gave them the ability to put LINUX into the enterprise as it was easier to deploy than a "roll your own solution."

Given that Compaq was bought by HP, would it not be logical to assume that HP would simply keep doing this (although maybe they wouldn't broadcast it as loudly as Compaq did)?

Linky

Oh my, I guess no one thought to look anything up for themselves before moderating:

http://www.lamlaw.com/DOJvsMicrosoft/WrapAndFlowWe ek21.html
http://www.chguy.net/news/feb99/demoMS.html
http://wired-vig.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,17 689,00.html

Microsoft made a video showing how IE could be removed, which looked like it had been edited and was false. It would be just as easy for them to make up some 'prior art' for this case.

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/1851 2/18512.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/11/ms_legal_m ail_autodestruct/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/24/allchin_de stroy_email_claim/
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/4455 5/44555.html

They may have also destroyed important e-mails. This is not the same as the current case but is worth noting anyway.

Microsoft's past actions shouldn't make it any more believable, in any case.

Yes, DVD masters are typically delivered on DLT. DVD Studio Pro has direct support for doing this.

Actually, Yggdrasil Linux was responsible for writing the first open source tool for producing DVD masters on tape, which they used for releasing a DVD-based Linux distro back in... 1998? Info about it here.

That said, for CD mastering use CD-Rs that are designed to be used as masters (they are REAL gold media, and are not cheap, ~US$10ea), burn at 1x, make sure your disc is *really* standard compliant...

Also, for mastering DVDs you need to be certain to have a drive which will write the CSS bits. Standard drives won't, and mastering drives cost ~$1k, last I checked, because of all the licensing required for implementing CSS.

If I remember correctly, Doom wasn't released under the GPL. It was released under some other license (maybe id's own?) but the most obvious difference was that it didn't require developers to release their source code (in fact, it probably didn't address that issue). So, a lot of closed projects came about and that's what got Carmack to release the Quake 1 source under the GPL right from the beginning. Of course, I believe a lot of the major doom source ports (like Doom Legacy) released their sources anyway.

(For what it's worth, according to DoomWorld, id re-released the source code under the GPL in 99.)

for 1, yes it is. simply because they had to "cheat" to do it. quite frankly, if it was reverse engineered, its bound to have flaws. flaws are the primary concern for actual AOL users in that they could be comprimised.

1. Reverse Engineering is not cheating. Quite frankly, there are likely flaws in the AIM client when they implemented their own protocol. I don't understand what compromise AOL users fear in this regard. Do they fear that the Trillian client is going to send their username and password in email to some cracker somewhere?

for 2, they aren't part of the issue so move on.

2. Wrong. They are part of the issue. They tried to interoperate years ago and were filtered out.

for 3, "They do not..." who is they? clear this up. i can't respond to this sort of ambiguity.

3. "They" = "AOL". As in "*AOL* does not have to have their users passwords floating around for them to develop some sort of gateway so that their users can chat with MSN, YIM, ICQ, or Jabber users."

for 4, we are talking about chat here. if you have some serious fetish with buddy icons, i'm sorry. but they are a waste of animation most of the time.

4. Actually, TOC doesn't allow any of the RVOUS actions. Buddy icons and FILE TRANSFER are just the first two that come to mind. There are more out there. Maybe you should look them up. Plenty of people have reversed engineered Oscar and published the specs out there.

for 5, yes it has limitations, but i'm willing to bet that if you really wanted to put in the effort you could create your own version of direct connect and what not yourself.

5. My '5' had to do with usernames and passwords. I don't know what crack you're smoking, but you really should share.

BTW, while we're on the subject, direct connect is an Oscar RVOUS action. To develop your own TOC version would make your client unable to connect with other AIM clients.

for 6, this is remarkably unfounded. thats cute that you can come up with this remark on your own, but my bet lies on that if you obey the lisence its released under, you'll be fine.

6. Remarkably unfounded? You are smoking crack! Look at the list of services that they've already denied access to their servers.

As far as the license is concerned. On August 13 1999, PCWeek published a story talking about how AOL had pulled the TOC protocol and libraries, and was stonewalling the open source community. At that time Yahoo's instant messenger stopped working, they were using TOC.

"We did not intend to allow anyone to take this code to run instant messaging services over AOL's network," said Tricia Primrose, an AOL spokeswoman in Dulles, Va.

this can actually be summed up rather simply. if you need all the features, use aim or aol. quit crying because you want to use their toys for free.

It's a shame that I want AOL to get on the ball and play fair with everybody else, isn't it? That I should expect Jabber users to be able to IM AOL users, and MSN users to be able to IM YIM users. A shame ...

Yggdrasil was my first distro and I had to support the first product they released since like 97 ;)

Yeah, I'm getting sick of hearing about M$ astroturfing, as has been reported here and there and everwhere!. I wish that company would devote as much time to making a decent program instead.

What supprises me more is the crowd of trolls like you who always come to the aid of M$.

On SuSE, I often used --nodeps for rpm, cos I *knew* that mutt doesn't *require* a spell checker, even if the stupid .SPEC file said so.

You could also try the ComputerHelper Guy. He's got all kinds of stuff, including Ximian Gnome CD's. I haven't done business with him, but it looks like that he would burn CD's of anything that he can get his hands on, including Ximian Gnome 1.4. It looks like he only charges $5 for each CD. No tax and no shipping charges, but it's an extra $5 if you want express delivery. Not too bad of a deal.