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“There is no chance of recovery with overwritten clusters. The bit density on hard disk drives is so great now that when the magnetics are rewritten, the data is gone,” he said. Barry is Ontrack's Remote Data Recovery Manager and has 10 years of experience recovering files for private business as well as government agencies.

http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-guttman.html

Claims that intelligence agencies can read overwritten data on disk drives have been commonplace for many years now. The most commonly cited source of evidence for this supposed fact is a paper (Secure Deletion of Data from Magnetic and Solid-State Memory) by Peter Gutmann presented at a 1996 Usenix conference. I found this an extraordinary claim, and therefore deserving of extraordinary proof.

Good god - how idiotic does an OS have to be, to run executables from any media you happen to insert?

Not idiotic, just outdated. When Windows XP was released, way back in 2001, the assumption was that removable media was going to be a pressed CD or DVD and that these sources could be trusted. This assumption started to break down with the advent of cheap CD/DVD writers, and became completely absurd when inexpensive flash drives proliferated.

As a result, Microsoft removed Autorun from USB drives as part of a Windows XP update in 2011. (Probably a bit late, but still, they did fix it.) On Windows 7, Autorun for USB drives was never included. The user would have to run the malware manually (and if it wants admin permissions, you'd also have to click through the UAC warning).

> Restricted boot environments are about DRM, not about securing the system from malware

Really? Here are some references about boot malware which UEFI secure boot can prevent.

http://www.chmag.in/article/sep2011/rootkits-are-back-boot-infection

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/16/tdl_rootkit_does_64_bit_windows/

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217953/Rootkit_infection_requires_Windows_reinstall_says_Microsoft

TDL4 is the most recent high tech and widely spread member of the TDSS family rootkit, targeting x64 operating systems too such as Windows Vista and Windows 7. One of the most striking features of TDL4 is that it is able to load its kernel-mode driver on systems with an enforced kernel-mode code signing policy (64-bit versions of Microsoft Windows Vista and 7) and perform kernel-mode hooks with kernel-mode patch protection policy enabled.

When the driver is loaded into kernel-mode address space it overwrites the MBR (Master Boot Record) of the disk by sending SRB (SCSI Request Block) packets directly to the miniport device object, then it initializes its hidden file system. The bootkit’s modules are written into the hidden file system from the dropper.

The TDL4 bootkit controls two areas of the hard drive one is the MBR and other is the hidden file system created at the time of malware deployment. When any application reads the MBR, the bootkit changes data and returns the contents of the clean MBR i.e. prior to the infection, and also it takes care of Infected MBR by protecting it from overwriting.

The hidden file system with the malicious components also gets protected by the bootkit. So if any application is making an attempt to read sectors of the hard disk where the hidden file system is stored, It will return zeroed buffer instead of the original data.

The bootkit contains code that performs additional checks to prevent the malware from the cleanup. At every start of the system TDL4 bootkit driver gets loaded and initialized properly by performing tasks as follows: Reads the contents of the boot sector, compares it with the infected image stored in hidden file system, if it finds any difference between these two images it rewrites the infected image to the boot sector. Sets the DriverObject field of the miniport device object to point to the bootkit’s driver object and also hooks the DriverStartIo field of the miniport’s driver object. If kernel debugging is enabled then this TDL4 does not install any of it’s components.

TDL4 Rootkit hooks the ATAPI driver i.e. standard windows miniport drivers like atapi.sys. It keeps Device Object at lowest in the device stack, which makes a lot harder to dump TDL4 files.

All these striking features have made TDL4 most notorious Windows rootkit and it is also very important to mention that the key to its success is the boot sector infection. ....

The original MBR and driver component are stored in encrypted form using the same encryption. Driver component hooks ATAPI's DriverStartIo routine where it monitors for write operations. In case of write operation targeted at the MBR sector, it is changed to read operation. This way it is trying to bypass repair operation by Security Products.

Atleast you'd have some credibility left if you had said that the restrictions could be about DRM also.

I do not want to choose between Fedora and Ubuntu; I want to use whatever distro I fancy, and I want to be able to switch distros without jumping through hoops (yes, there are hoops to jump through now; this move by Canonical does nothing to advance any solution to that problem).

Moving one slid

>>>Why would a government want to see your smart meter usage? please.

God you're dumb. Have you been living under a rock like that Geico caveman? Quote: "Utility consumption records can be sought which could be one indicator police use to get 'probable cause' to go search the place." http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8347690-smart-meters-help-cops-identify-and-bust-indoor-marijuana-growing-operations

ALSO: http://blogs.computerworld.com/17896/will_the_smart_grid_become_the_dea_s_new_best_friend

Wow, this post went from "+4 Insightful" to "0 Troll" in the time it took me to get a glass of milk -- WTFLOL?!

"Army of fake social media friends to promote propaganda

It's recently been revealed that the U.S. government contracted HBGary Federal for the development of software which could create multiple fake social media profiles to manipulate and sway public opinion on controversial issues by promoting propaganda. It could also be used as surveillance to find public opinions with points of view the powers-that-be didn't like. It could then potentially have their "fake" people run smear campaigns against those "real" people."

http://blogs.computerworld.com/17852/army_of_fake_social_media_friends_to_promote_propaganda

I use the Quick Launch for everything. I have it set to not show text or titles and the view set to small icons. I have about 45 icons on my Quick Launch bar on my XP system at work and about 60 on my Windows 7 home system. I basically have all of my apps one click away. I very rarely use the Start menu unless it is for a very rarely used application.

You can add the Quick Launch bar back on Windows 7. Looks like you can do this with Windows 8 as well using the same method.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/19842/how_to_bring_back_the_quick_launch_toolbar_to_the_windows_8_desktop

The only time I store documents on my desktop is for unfinished work (Word doc, Visio diagram, etc). Once the project is over, I clean up my desktop and move relevant documentation to the project or support folders on the corporate network.

I work for a large company that is just now upgrading from XP to 7. They haven't even started yet at my location. Today while Windows 7 (~39%) has passed XP, XP (~26%) has 3 times the share of Vista (~8%). XP still has more share than Vista ever did (~20%). Now I know these statistics include consumers but consumers tend to buy whatever OS comes on their computer while business replace hardware and install whatever OS their ecosystem uses. If anything consumers skew these statistics in Vista's favor. And according to Forrester referenced in this computerworld article Vista usage in Enterprises peaked in 2009 at 14%. Do you really believe Vista will at some point dominate businesses but that they just haven't upgraded to it yet?

Of course either way the post you are saying 'not really' to doesn't depend on whether or not businesses skip versions. If they are updating slower it still means Windows' biggest competitor is older Windows. You say yourself that business don't seriously consider switching to non-windows which means when MS needs to sell a company on a newer version of Windows they compare it to older Windows.

I run Windows - & haven't had ANYTHING happen to my system since, oh, early 1996 (that's when I learned how to REALLY "security-harden" my computers' Operating Systems + wares used):

You can security-harden modern Operating Systems QUITE WELL, & it's even EASY TO DO, if you use a tool like the multi-platform + highly esteemed ( http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9018362/CIS_tool_aims_to_help_federal_agencies_check_Windows_security_settings ) based on "industry best practices" recommendations of CIS Tool -> http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000/XP%22&btnG=Search&gbv=1&sei=W53oT_jaLKbp6gGXoe3gDg

That, along with a little end-user education (which it goes into a LOT on that note) on where threats come from, how to stop them, & to use common-sense (along with conscientious patching of OS &/or wares a user uses) goes a LONG ways...

* CIS Tool's also ready for Windows 7 + Server 2008!

However/Catch-22 (not really, & how/why) - it's not FREE like the ones for Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 were, but, it has a 30 day demo (and you can make the alterations it suggests, & then, use regedit.exe to export those changes OR .inf files to merge too, & that way? You have the settings for "security-hardening" your rig that way, forever!)

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"Apple is insanely more secure then Windows and only slightly less secure then Linux, I think they should use what they have and just call it like it is." - by Murdoch5 (1563847) on Monday June 25, @01:51PM (#40441235)

LOL, Apple didn't have EACH OF THE FOLLOWING before Windows did:

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1.) PatchGuard
2.) ASRL
3.) DEP

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So, what was THAT you were saying? By the by, outta the box/oem-stock??

NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS AS SECURED AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN BE:

Proof? Well, there's what CIS Tool shows you on both Linux &/or Windows, AND?? Apple puts out this security guide for MacOS X too:

http://www.apple.com/support/security/guides/

SO, IF MacOS X is "so secure" AS YOU STATED, & RIGHT OUTTA THE BOX/OEM-STOCK? Why the security guide above & beyond the stock settings then??

(NO - not even SeLinux bearing Linux distros, which copied the idea of ACL's from Windows NT-based OS, in their MAC (mandatory access control) analog of it... Since Linux didn't even have anything REMOTELY close to being like it & yes, it helps, a lot...)...

APK

P.S.=> It's gotten results like the following quoted testimonials from a fellow that does PC Repair & more, from his family, himself, friends, & clients he's applied that guide's recommendations TO THE LETTER to:

QUOTED TESTIMONIALS TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SAID LAYERED SECURITY GUIDE I AUTHORED:

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=2

"I recently, months ago when you finally got this guide done, had authorization to try this on simple work station for kids. My client, who paid me an ungodly amount of money to do this, has been PROBLEM FREE FOR MONTHS! I haven't even had a follow up call which is unusual." - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

AND

"APK, thanks for such a great guide. This would, and should, be an inspiration to such security measures. Also, the pc that has "tweaks": IS STILL

"Security - when you don't trust things more than you have to... a feature not available in Windows, Mac OSX, nor Linux." - by ka9dgx (72702) on Monday June 25, @01:03PM (#40440515) Homepage

You can security-harden modern Operating Systems QUITE WELL, & it's even EASY TO DO, if you use a tool like the multi-platform + highly esteemed ( http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9018362/CIS_tool_aims_to_help_federal_agencies_check_Windows_security_settings ) based on "industry best practices" recommendations of CIS Tool -> http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000/XP%22&btnG=Search&gbv=1&sei=W53oT_jaLKbp6gGXoe3gDg

That, along with a little end-user education (which it goes into a LOT on that note) on where threats come from, how to stop them, & to use common-sense (along with conscientious patching of OS &/or wares a user uses) goes a LONG ways...

* CIS Tool's also ready for Windows 7 + Server 2008!

However/Catch-22 (not really, & how/why) - it's not FREE like the ones for Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 were, but, it has a 30 day demo (and you can make the alterations it suggests, & then, use regedit.exe to export those changes OR .inf files to merge too, & that way? You have the settings for "security-hardening" your rig that way, forever!)

APK

P.S.=> It's gotten results like the following quoted testimonials from a fellow that does PC Repair & more, from his family, himself, friends, & clients he's applied that guide's recommendations TO THE LETTER to:

QUOTED TESTIMONIALS TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SAID LAYERED SECURITY GUIDE I AUTHORED:

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=2

"I recently, months ago when you finally got this guide done, had authorization to try this on simple work station for kids. My client, who paid me an ungodly amount of money to do this, has been PROBLEM FREE FOR MONTHS! I haven't even had a follow up call which is unusual." - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

AND

"APK, thanks for such a great guide. This would, and should, be an inspiration to such security measures. Also, the pc that has "tweaks": IS STILL GOING! NO PROBLEMS!" - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

AND

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=3

"Its 2009 - still trouble free! I was told last week by a co worker who does active directory administration, and he said I was doing overkill. I told him yes, but I just eliminated the half life in windows that you usually get. He said good point. So from 2008 till 2009. No speed decreases, its been to a lan party, moved around in a move, and it still NEVER has had the OS reinstalled besides the fact I imaged the drive over in 2008. Great stuff! My client STILL Hasn't called me back in regards to that one machine to get it locked down for the kid. I am glad it worked and I am sure her wallet is appreciated too now that it works. Speaking of which, I need to call her to see if I can get some leads. APK - I will say it again, the guide is FANTASTIC! Its made my PC experience much easier. Sandboxing was great. Getting my host file updated, setting services to system s

"Even the US military "gets" that Windows machines at home aren't at all secure and offers this nifty distro. Free download" - by couchslug (175151) on Wednesday June 20, @08:39PM (#40392757)

Windows is easily secured though - & yes, it doesn't come as 'security-hardened' as is possible, but that's the SAME as most ANY commercially available OS "for the masses" out there (inclusive of even SeLinux distros of Linux too)!

It's also EASILY DOABLE, and, with an EASY TO USE free tool (CIS Tool -> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9018362/CIS_tool_aims_to_help_federal_agencies_check_Windows_security_settings ).

That only takes a short while to use, and it actually makes it "fun-to-do" in a geeky kind of way using "best security practices", since it's more-or-less a "security benchmark" (like running a performance benchmark program almost)!

That, and doing a few more things ontop of CIS Tool's suggestions -> http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000/XP%22&btnG=Search&gbv=1&sei=eQzjT766D6rZ0QHUi6WdAw

* Does it work? Absolutely...

Between:

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A.) Conscientious patching of your Operating System + Programs you use
B.) Closing off unneeded listeners (services or otherwise) that solicit external connections that you don't really need to use
C.) Watching the indiscriminate use of ActiveX, java, javascript (especially where you do NOT really need them) + browser plugins
D.) Using up-to-date antivirus/antispyware programs + their signatures
E.) Firewalls rules tables (both hardware & software ones)
F.) Browser addons for security
G.) Custom hosts files (that block out known hosts-domains/sites-servers that serve up malicious software or malicious scripting)
H.) Service Isolation security-hardening
I.) Port filtering
J.) Registry hack based security tweaks
K.) IP security policies hardening & usage
L.) ACL security hardening (registry + filesystem)
M.) WebBrowser isolation techniques & sandboxing
N.) Using filtering DNS servers (Norton DNS/OpenDNS/ScrubIt DNS)
O.) Most importantly & lastly - Educating users where potential threats come from + how to avoid them...

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?

Yes, you can be safe online... and the CIS tool I noted above earlier? It's multiplatform, highly rated by many, & easy to use (bonus) as well as "fun"...

APK

P.S.=> No need to switch to Linux really... now, I know, for a FACT, you're a "Pro-*NIX" Penguin couchslug, but not noting that Windows is securable & putting up a Linux variant on your part is just a dead giveaway to that fact also - especially when there's NO REAL NEED to switch to another OS users aren't as familiar with... apk

Mozilla discussed that DNT would have no value if enabled by default

Mozilla, who gets about 90% of their income from Google, sides with Google on this one?!? What a shocker!!

Yeah, because the hard plastics that have been traditionally used are so much better. And you of course don't mention WHY Aluminum is the WORST (not just a bad, but the WORST) material to use in a laptop.

Actually, the heat transference rate basically makes Aluminum laptops a toaster under medium load. The answer is advanced polycarbonates, magnesium-alloy shells, and other materials such as carbon fiber. At least they don't dent when you drop a feather on them.

No, they just crack and shatter. The MILLED aluminum body of a MacBook is not going to "dent when you drop a feather on [it]." That is reserved for the LOOK-ALIKE faux-unibody laptops, like my work-supplied Samsung RV511, which use Aluminum (I think) SHEET METAL in a desperate bid to LOOK like a MacBook, but without the quality...

And I don't know what you call "better build quality". Unibody Apple laptops are pretty much universally accepted as having the best build quality in the industry.

And ASUS having better build quality that Apple?!? That's a laugh riot!

No, Apple laptops are lauded by amateur review sites as having "good build quality" because these sites and journalists measure build quality by how much something flexes when you squeeze it. Asus is well known for making high-quality hardware.

I guess then EVERYBODY is an "amateur review site"; because that's who disagrees with you, and more importantly, agrees with me. MUST I drag out two fistfuls of "non-amateur" reviews?

From what I can tell, it's a Macbook Air ripoff through and through, but with a shitty TN panel (except for the one that costs as much, or MORE THAN an Air), and a dodgy trackpad, for not a whole lot less than an Air, and in the case of the one with an IPS panel, MORE. And as far as build quality goes, ask anyone who has owned an Asus laptop. By the way, if not Aluminum, what exactly is the Zenbook made of? Asus seems to think it's made of... wait for it...

ALUMINUM Which they explicitly say was the best material out of the many that they tried.

As I said, Asus usually makes great, quality products.

Re-read my damn comment; I recommended one of the magnesium-alloy notebooks, while detracting the deluded manufacturers who use it in their products. The only reason it's used in that way is because Apple, in their infinite margin-building exercise, was able to convince the world that abundant, shiny materials are 'high-end". They realized that they didn't really need to put good components in the box, because that's not what people look at. That's not what gets shown off in a coffee shop.

I guess then that Asus was deluded, too; since they chose ALUMINUM, not Mg, as the Zenbook's main material... And if you want to build "margin", the LAST thing you want to do is create an entirely-new (and EXPENSIVE!) way to make consumer electronics' cases (CNC Milling). Name ONE other manufacturer that has followed Apple's lead in the Unibody design. Wanna know why? Because it CUTS "margin" for a given price-point! In fact, if it wasn't for Apple's insane buying-power, making the commodity parts as cheap as possible, and their ability to create custom silicon wherever and whenever they need, THEY couldn't afford to do it, either. Think about it.

But unlike Apple, who MILLS the case out of a SOLID BLOCK of aluminum (a quite time-consuming and expensive process compared with stamping a body out of SHEET aluminum like Asus does), the Zenbook uses only enough aluminum to make it LOOK like a Macbook; but without the structural integrity o

Yeah, because the hard plastics that have been traditionally used are so much better. And you of course don't mention WHY Aluminum is the WORST (not just a bad, but the WORST) material to use in a laptop.

Actually, the heat transference rate basically makes Aluminum laptops a toaster under medium load. The answer is advanced polycarbonates, magnesium-alloy shells, and other materials such as carbon fiber. At least they don't dent when you drop a feather on them.

And I don't know what you call "better build quality". Unibody Apple laptops are pretty much universally accepted as having the best build quality in the industry.

And ASUS having better build quality that Apple?!? That's a laugh riot!
 

No, Apple laptops are lauded by amateur review sites as having "good build quality" because these sites and journalists measure build quality by how much something flexes when you squeeze it.
Asus is well known for making high-quality hardware.

From what I can tell, it's a Macbook Air ripoff through and through, but with a shitty TN panel (except for the one that costs as much, or MORE THAN an Air), and a dodgy trackpad, for not a whole lot less than an Air, and in the case of the one with an IPS panel, MORE. And as far as build quality goes, ask anyone who has owned an Asus laptop. By the way, if not Aluminum, what exactly is the Zenbook made of? Asus seems to think it's made of... wait for it...

ALUMINUM Which they explicitly say was the best material out of the many that they tried.
 

As I said, Asus usually makes great, quality products.

Re-read my damn comment; I recommended one of the magnesium-alloy notebooks, while detracting the deluded manufacturers who use it in their products. The only reason it's used in that way is because Apple, in their infinite margin-building exercise, was able to convince the world that abundant, shiny materials are 'high-end". They realized that they didn't really need to put good components in the box, because that's not what people look at. That's not what gets shown off in a coffee shop.

But unlike Apple, who MILLS the case out of a SOLID BLOCK of aluminum (a quite time-consuming and expensive process compared with stamping a body out of SHEET aluminum like Asus does), the Zenbook uses only enough aluminum to make it LOOK like a Macbook; but without the structural integrity of a one-piece chassis.

Is the Zenbook's aluminum any thinner or thicker than the Macbook's?

Idiot. Try not to LIE so badly next time.

Typical macfag.

Get the Asus Zenbook. Better specs than a Macbook Air, at the same price and with a bit better build quality, to boot. Otherwise, ThinkPad ultrabook. Aluminum's the worst material to use in a laptop, anyway.

Yeah, because the hard plastics that have been traditionally used are so much better. And you of course don't mention WHY Aluminum is the WORST (not just a bad, but the WORST) material to use in a laptop.

And I don't know what you call "better build quality". Unibody Apple laptops are pretty much universally accepted as having the best build quality in the industry.

And ASUS having better build quality that Apple?!? That's a laugh riot!

From what I can tell, it's a Macbook Air ripoff through and through, but with a shitty TN panel (except for the one that costs as much, or MORE THAN an Air), and a dodgy trackpad, for not a whole lot less than an Air, and in the case of the one with an IPS panel, MORE. And as far as build quality goes, ask anyone who has owned an Asus laptop. By the way, if not Aluminum, what exactly is the Zenbook made of? Asus seems to think it's made of... wait for it...

ALUMINUM Which they explicitly say was the best material out of the many that they tried.

But unlike Apple, who MILLS the case out of a SOLID BLOCK of aluminum (a quite time-consuming and expensive process compared with stamping a body out of SHEET aluminum like Asus does), the Zenbook uses only enough aluminum to make it LOOK like a Macbook; but without the structural integrity of a one-piece chassis.

Idiot. Try not to LIE so badly next time.

Computerworld reports that Apple Macbook Pro sold out before 11am eastern Wed., June 13.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228046/Apple_runs_out_of_Retina_MacBook_Pros?taxonomyId=66&mm_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fnews%2Fi%2F%3Fhl%3Den%26source%3Dmog%26gl%3Dus%26tab%3Dwn

Must be nice to be able to afford a disposable laptop. And here I am relegated to using a $100 android phone. I guess I have apple envy, must tell my therapist about this one. Ah well, who said that life was fair, anyway.

Computerworld reports that Apple Macbook Pro sold out before 11am eastern Wed., June 13. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228046/Apple_runs_out_of_Retina_MacBook_Pros?taxonomyId=66&mm_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fnews%2Fi%2F%3Fhl%3Den%26source%3Dmog%26gl%3Dus%26tab%3Dwn

Apple only charges DCMA violation. Yes, I am aware we are talking iOS vs OSX, but the same applies here: Apple won't allow their software on any non-Apple device at any cost. Hardly the same as Google giving it away.

Posting anon because I've seen what rabid Mac Fanbois can do.

iOS can do all of that when combined with either a MDM server (including Apple's one on Lion Server) or using configuration profiles.

Sure, iOS supports all security policies - at least that is what the device will tell your server, regardless whether it is actually true or not. Doesn't exactly instill enterprise trust that they did something like this.

I'm not sure this counts as due process:

ICE domain seizures relied on twisted evidence and MPAA say so.

You do understand that even private keys can require a passphrase don't you? Mere possession of someone's private key does not automatically get you in.

That would only be in very primitive systems unsuitable for this type of work. By the time you are talking about a voting system the private key should be stored in a hardware device and not even the owner of the key should have access to it. In systems where the private key is opened up with a passphrase, attacks would be trivial. My attacks were aimed at more advanced scenarios where you can't rely on direct key compromise and have to compromise the user interface which accesses the key. These types of systems would typically use combinations of codes and biometrics for key access.

Further, when the constituent logs in, and finds that his opinion has already been registered, its his clue that he has been compromised, and further, since its merely an expression of his opinion, he can change it.

I covered this when I said:

; you can check your vote and it can show you a different one.

In other words, when he logged in, it would show him the vote he thinks he's cast. Please note, though, that your security mechanism is actually making the vote buying attack much worse. Now the vote buyer can come back at any time and demand to see the constituent's vote; not just during the voting. Instead of having to visit every vote you buy, you just threaten to visit later and actually go to a small percentage of them. You can now buy hundreds of votes for the effort of visiting just a few voters.

You would want constituents to be able to change their opinion right up to the time the floor vote was to take place.

(Note: I'm totally glossing over the statement "Apparently most private computers are infected/compromised.", for which you haven't presented a shred of evidence. Microsoft stats indicate 4 PCs per 1,000 for Windows 7, less for 64bit. Simply having some bad actors in your cookies does not constitute a compromise that would allow grabbing ones private key and the password thereto.)

These are hard to come by numbers. Almost nobody wants to admit to being infected. Microsoft obviously has a horse in the race, so their opinion is worth even less than it usually is. Rate's given on the first places turning up in Google range from about 35% (Germany) through 58% (USA) up to 98% (Iran). See for example infosec island. Look around and most people claim approx 50%.

You do understand that even private keys can require a passphrase don't you? Mere possession of someone's private key does not automatically get you in.

Further, when the constituent logs in, and finds that his opinion has already been registered, its his clue that he has been compromised, and further, since its merely an expression of his opinion, he can change it.

You would want constituents to be able to change their opinion right up to the time the floor vote was to take place.

(Note: I'm totally glossing over the statement "Apparently most private computers are infected/compromised.", for which you haven't presented a shred of evidence. Microsoft stats indicate 4 PCs per 1,000 for Windows 7, less for 64bit. Simply having some bad actors in your cookies does not constitute a compromise that would allow grabbing ones private key and the password thereto.)

Silverlight was supposed to run on multiple devices but Microsoft threw in the towel on that about a year ago.

The only thing that truly needs it right now is Windows Phone 7, but I think that changes in WP8, not that 1.7% market share actually matters

Some people are really regretting ingesting the Silverlight kool-aid, their tummies are starting to ache now.....

If 4TB is the biggest drive you can get today, wouldn't densities have to increase by 15x to get to 60TB drives by 2016, not just "more than double"

Probably. The first 3tb was released June 2010. 4tb came out Oct 2011. Not exactly amazing growth, over a year for 1tb, at this rate we'll be 9tb in 2016. At this rate we will not see 60tb by 2016, and I say "we" meaning end consumer, maybe some lab monkey will see an areal density equivalent to 60tb, but it won't be available for sale. And for anyone wondering the answer is yes, the 4tb drives already use five platters, 800gb each, so they can't shove more platters in there to double capacity currently, they have to significantly increase areal density.

But while storage continues to increase, the types of media we store is not increasing in size. HD Video is probably the most common space hog on any personal computer at 25 to 40 mbit per second of video, about 11 to 18gb per hour, but once we have hundreds of terabytes what do we need more space for? For higher high definition video? At some point even video quality will surpass what the human eye can distinguish, especially from across the room.

And once we have hundreds of terabytes how do we fill the drive? Most of the content on my PC is downloaded, but internet speeds have not increased drastically over the years, I'm still at the same speed now as I was in 2000 and paying about the same amount.

They're putting the cart before the horse, they're offering us storage for something we don't have to store and that we can't even obtain through current technology.

First, the summary above says that Seagate will produce a 60 Tb drive by 2016. That is not true. Seagate has said they will produce a drive with "up to" 60 Tb of capacity (30-60 TB) by the end of the decade. This is based on the theoretical limits of HAMR technology, which are projected to be in the 5-10 Tbits/sq. inch. range. Current 4TB drives are made with platters that have a density of around 650 Gbits/sq. in., so the math works (10Tb/.65Tb is approximately 15x).

The other part of the article is talking about what the maximum density is likely to be over the timeframe from now to 2016 using PMR technology and transitioning to something new like HAMR. PMR technology will top out at about 1Tbit/sq. inch, so anything over that will require something new like HAMR. that underlying article quotes 1.8 Tbit/sq. in in 2016, which may not be out of line with 5-10 Tbit/sq. in. by 2020 as a new technology like HAMR comes online.

The two articles that I am basing the above on are:
Seagate/HAMR article
IHS/ISuppli article

HAMR has a theoretical areal density limit ranging from 5 to 10 terabits per square inch, enough to enable 30TB to 60TB 3.5-inch drives and 10TB to 20TB for 2.5-inch drives

From previous article about this tech from Seagate.

In reality do not be surprised to see 10TB and maybe 20TB 3.5 inch desktop drives in this timframe, but I for one WOULD BE surprised to see 40TB let alone the "in theory" 60TB.

Having said that, I'd be extremely happy with a 10TB desktop drive.

2016 is in 4 years. Let's see...

In 2008, Seagate announced the world's first 1.5TB drive.

And in 2012, Hitachi announced the first 4TB drive.

And in 2016, this will magically become 60TB?!

If you said 10TB, I would believe it. I'll even go along with 15TB.

But 60TB? don't believe it for a second.

As late as 2005, Microsoft was eating a $126/unit loss per XBox 360 (just the unit, not peripherals, controllers, etc): http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-taking-126-hit-per-xbox-360-6140383 iSupply priced $470 to build each unit based on teardown and accounting for scale.

$126 x 66m units through January 2012? $8.3 billion so far if it were a constant, but we know that MSFT reported profits sometime in late 2010, so we use the cumulative numbers for 2010... call it 46m, and allow for slop in MSFT's favor to account for shifting in both directions (pricier early on, cheaper later on), and we get $5.7 billion loss so far. Add the RROD fiasco, which Microsoft says lost them over $1bn more, and we come to around $7 billion bucks in unpaid money sunk, just for the 360. So far, it's only been a couple of years, and unless someone can point to where Microsoft has made $7 billion in XBox profits over the past three years (let alone whatever they lost in the pre-360 XBoxes), my point is easily made.

HTH a little. It's back-of-the-envelope, but I favored MSFT heavily in the whole thing to make it fair.

Sorry for tinyurl, it's legit I promise, Slashdot filters the link because it's too long

No it doesn't. The only time you might need a shortened URL here is in your sig. When I'm moderating, I almost always mark a post with a shortened URL as "troll" without even looking, because it's a way to sneak goatse past. I only followed your short link because your comment had been modded +5. The link I posted is the full link to where your shortened one goes.

Hope I helped.

With Google's insistence to label pretty much all of their projects as "beta" to avoid liability, I think this is a very dangerous project. We are not talking about something like email hosting or fun things like YouTube here - we are talking about vehicles that can, and do kill people. Not only people inside the car, but other people too.

On top of this we can think about Google's history of privacy violations. It's obvious they are trying to gain something from this and with their style and business practices, it probably means something that outright violates your and everyone else's privacy. I was already shocked when I read about Google Goggles and the way the device works. It doesn't process the image on the device itself but instead sends it to Google's servers. Combined with Google's facial recognition technology and patent, Google Goggles will give the company outstanding amount of living world and meatspace data.

Now I can only guess that Google is trying to expand their privacy violations to roads, driving habits and your everyday life.

See this is why I love to LMAO at the FOSSies, they are so "There is but one true god!" they can't even think, its like a cross between village idiot and conspiracy nut, all rolled into one!

You want some fresh bitch slapping? Be careful what you wish for FOSSie, how about a nice kernel exploit? Or how about the guy that wrote EEEBuntu saying Ubuntu sucks which considering they are the current savior of Linux kinda tells you something. But why don't you say "Use Distro X" and then have the balls to name the X so i can show its just as big a POS, huh? BTW frankly everyone has stop giving a fuck about your OS, you aren't even newsworthy anymore really. Now its all Win 7&8, OSX&iOS, and of course Android which just shows what happens when a company bitch slaps the community and takes it away from them, why it actually fucking runs!

How sad that even with a bug spreading through OSX there are writers pointing out that's no reason to torture yourself with Linux , after all even a virus ridden OSX actually runs which is more than most distros LOL! But hey, you can always tell them they can fix it otherwise they don't need that right? LOL! And I noticed you just couldn't fricking resist screaming "Nigger!" which in FOSSie is done by screaming PaidMicrosoftShill, hey you think you could throw in one more FOSSie cliche please? Then I'll have a FOSSie Flush ROFL!

But if you didn't have cliches and your pathetic attempts at insults why then you might have to have an independent thought and realize what everybody knows that even when MSFT put out a universally reviled OS you STILL got curb stomped, does that give you ANY clues? or all they all brainwashed by those black choppers that have been following you? Hell when the Chinese were given the choice of your "free OS" or pirating Windows they chose the latter even if it meant staying on XP and using IE fricking 6, LOL! Does that ring ANY bells? A smart person would say "what are we doing wrong the other guy is doing right?" but a FOSSie who is just like a Moonie in that they blindly follow, instead says "Its all a conspiracy! They are all shills keeping the masses from true salvation!" and then you wonder why we all laugh at you because you DON'T Listen, you DON'T learn, and Torvalds could take a big steaming dump and hand it to you and you'd thank him for his generous gift. So enjoy that fresh bitchslapping loony, enjoy the fact that the world really doesn't care...but I do, I enjoy slapping you, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Less, if that. Somewhere around 5% is both MS mobile platforms combined. WP7 has about 5% in Finland with Nokia's home advantage, there was something about Norway as well - or was that just a single carrier's stats?

Here's US, for example.

"Apple wouldn't dare do it to Amazon or eBay"

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9218629/Amazon_caves_to_Apple_drops_Kindle_s_in_app_button

I stand corrected. I'm also concerned that Apple has that much influence.

"Apple wouldn't dare do it to Amazon or eBay"

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9218629/Amazon_caves_to_Apple_drops_Kindle_s_in_app_button

Google (Schmidt, personally) has testified in court that Google did a clean-room implementation of Java.
So far, Oracle's argument that Google did not do a clean-room implementation amounts to, "Uh uh! No they didn't!". Also, to nitpik, you can't "lift code" from an API.

"Security-By-Obscurity" - lack of users = lack of attacks. Android proves otherwise though, especially for Linux variants, where it is "king of the smartphone world", OS-wise, & is being attacked rampantly.

* So, IS it possible for Windows users to NOT see infestations?

Sure, with a bit of education & good easy to use tools to help them thru it, such as CIS Tool ( http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9018362/CIS_tool_aims_to_help_federal_agencies_check_Windows_security_settings ) &/or guides like this one I did in 2007 onwards (& I've been doing them since 1997):

http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&go=&qs=ns&form=QBLH

("Layered-Security"/"Defense-in-Depth" is 'the way', & the best thing we have going vs. today's "malware-ridden-world" online... & yes, it actually works (alongside showing users who are NOT "technical computer gurus" or "security pros" some basic ideas/concepts to be aware of to help them help themselves via this concept...)

In fact, here's a quoted example of a fellow who applied it to his OWN systems, AND THOSE OF HIS CLIENTS (+ the results for over a year long period on that account):

To "immunize" a Windows system, I effectively use the principles in "layered security" possibles, per the link above!

I.E./E.G.-> I have done so since 1997-1998 with the most viewed, highly rated guide online for Windows security there really is which came from the fact I also created the 1st guide for securing Windows, highly rated @ NEOWIN (as far back as 1998-2001) here:

http://www.neowin.net/news/apk-a-to-z-internet-speedup--security-text

& from as far back as 1997 -> http://web.archive.org/web/20020205091023/www.ntcompatible.com/article1.shtml which Neowin above picked up on & rated very highly.

That has evolved more currently, into the MOST viewed & highly rated one there is for years now since 2008 online in the 1st URL link above...

Which has well over 500,000++ views online (actually MORE, but 1 site with 75,000 views of it went offline/out-of-business) & it's been made either:

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1.) An Essential Guide
2.) 5-5 star rated
3.) A "sticky-pinned" thread
4.) Most viewed in the category it's in (usually security)
5.) Got me PAID by winning a contest @ PCPitStop (quite unexpectedly - I was only posting it for the good of all, & yes, "the Lord works in mysterious ways", it even got me PAID -> http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2007/09/04/pc-pitstop-winners/ (see January 2008))

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Across 15-20 or so sites I posted it on back in 2008... & here is the IMPORTANT part, in some sample testimonials to the "layered security" methodology efficacy:

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SOME QUOTED TESTIMONIALS TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SAID LAYERED SECURITY GUIDE I AUTHORED:

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=2

"I recently, months ago when you finally got this guide done, had authorization to try this on simple work station for kids. My client, who paid me an ungodly amount of money to do this, has been PROBLEM FREE FOR MONTHS! I haven't even had a follow up call which is unusual." - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

AND

"APK, thanks

That law was superseded by the Data Protection Act of 1998. Also the UK government found nothing to charge Google with, so no they are not criminals. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9194619/UK_Google_Wi_Fi_collection_violated_data_protection_laws

Tell you what: you can put your money in their stock if you believe your analysis. And I'll keep thinking they peaked. One of us will look like a fool in about 2 quarters. You can accuse me by putting arguments in mouth which I never made (exactly the same number??? aha. yes, because I say nonsense like that). Do you really think that anyone you ever argue with is so simple minded as to think that "all countries are equal in terms of population that have the money to purchase the iPHone?"

YOU made a statement based on faulty premises and gloom and doom without looking deeply. The crux of your argument was that Apple did poorly because they entered in 21 markets for the iPhone in Q2 and failed to sell well as the holiday season is predicated on the premise that they could sell as many phones in these countries to overcome the drop of the holiday season. Except for one of those 21 countries, it is highly unlikely that Apple could have sold more than a million phones in the quarter in the new countries. You also based the performance of the company based on just the iPhone and not the company overall. You can either accept that wasn't sound logic or not.

The fact remains that Apple has nothing to offer in this market. Not even in terms of apps. The current paradigm of an app is also exhausted on the iOS platform. So iOS has to either get adopted in a corporate environment, or most iOS developers will migrate to other app markets. With Samsung just passing the mark of becoming the largest phone vendor, it's pretty easy to guess which app market it will be.

Um, iOS is being adopted in corporate environments. I don't know where you are living these days. A recent survey says 97% of tablets in enterprises are iPads. If that isn't adoption, you must have a different definition than every one else.

You've had a few contradictions in your arguments yourself (no one cares that Apple missed estimates on iPads, but he company is doing great because it beat the estimates on iPhones... hmmm).

No one cares about analysts estimates because they are almost never right. All the analysts predictions I read FAILED to take into account that Apple was launching a new iPad in that quarter so sales would be done. Some of the analysts are still saying there will be an iPad mini. And then the same of the analysts grossly under estimated the number of iPhone sales. So why do you place so much faith in their numbers when they are wrong often? It's not a contradiction. It's a lack of logic on your part.

There is no point to look at the company as a whole. Without iPhone as the driving platform, iOS is dead. And the computer and iPad sales will die with it.

What kind of rubbish is that? Without the iPhone or iPad, Apple is still hugely profitable. If Apple only sold computers, they still would have had record sales and profits. That's like saying Dell is not worth looking at without consumer laptop sales.

To be honest, I think anyone that thinks "The Cloud" is secure in any way, shape, or form is an idiot.

Doesn't much matter who's fucking 'cloud' it is, it's just common sense. If you put data on the internet, you're taking a risk in that data being seen by someone else. This is not a new concept.

That's why the privacy hysteria concerning these cloud storage providers cracks me up. Of course there's a risk in doing so. There's a risk in connecting a computer to the internet at all. If that risk isn't a factor in the decision making process of the end user, that's their own fault.

If you want to lock your data in a vault, go rent a fucking vault...but let's not pretend that a person should have any reasonable expectation of a risk-free cloud storage solution. Not gonna happen, not in our lifetimes. We still can't seem to not use passwords like '123456' or 'abcdefg' for fuck's sake. You think there isn't some moron at Google or Dropbox or Skydrive or whoever the fuck that's not doing the exact same shit? Come on, now, people.

Just curious...

At it's height it was never as bad as some of the windows viruses have been

Mac Malware Outbreak Is Bigger than 'Conficker'. Remember that OS X only has about 5% of global desktop market, 0.6 million desktops may not sound like much in comparison to Windows, but as a share of the Mac total it is significant: "Mac OS X is the number two desktop OS with 6.54 percent market share. Windows, on the other hand, accounts for 92.48 percent of the market. Based on market share, the Flashback Trojan botnet is equivalent to a Windows botnet of nearly 8.5 million PCs. That makes it an even larger threat than Conficker--just on a much smaller platform."

It's not true. It climbed to 600.000 infections, according to Kaspersky (anti-virus developper) and dropped to 30.000.

They got it wrong; Symantec and Kaspersky both said the number had fallen, but Symantec have admitted they were wrong, and Kaspersky are now "looking into the matter". Flashback botnet not shrinking, huge numbers of Macs still infected:

"We've been talking with them about the discrepancies in our numbers and theirs," said O Murchu in an interview Friday. "We now believe that their analysis is accurate, and that it explains the discrepancies."

"This server communicates with bots but doesn't close a TCP connection," wrote Dr. Web. "As [a] result, bots switch to the stand-by mode and wait for the server's reply and no longer respond to further commands. As a consequence, they do not communicate with other command centers, many of which have been registered by information security specialists [including Kaspersky and Symantec]. "This is the cause of controversial statistics," said Dr. Web.

Also see Antivirus Researchers Confirm: Flashback Still Infects More Than 500,000 Macs.

Hybrid tablet/laptops would have been great for Windows 8. But there is nothing on the horizon that remotely fits this vision. Intel is pushing for ultrabooks favoring less weight and more power efficiency instead of multi-touch transformable tablets. Seems like MS designed an OS for hardware that doesn't exist and even if it did is a very small percentage of users instead of optimizing for the hardware that is in the near future.

Have you been living under a rock?

Have you checked out the Ideapad Yoga with 10 multitouch points? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIGUwyAXpgQ

And the news that around 32 touch models will debut this year with Windows 8? http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/232900536

More: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/04/intel-cove-point-ultrabook-tablet-hybrid-running-windows-8/

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9226083/Intel_working_with_10_vendors_on_Windows_8_tablets?taxonomyId=12

I think the reason you think the hardware doesn't exist is that they're keeping it under wraps so that they don't cannibalize existing sales now, which makes sense really.

Yeah. Except Apple censors its App Store to appease the Chinese government, but hey, that doesn't count, right?

As I like to tell fellow geeks: stop pretending that you're taking a political stand by choosing Android. It's just code. Real freedom is seeking out better living conditions, demanding your civil liberties, protesting, even starting revolutions. Richard Stallman is actually the most enslaved, limited geek on Earth, because he refuses to use so many things on the principle of "free" software that he's useless in real life and trapped by his own ideology.

Firstly, calling RMS "useless" is laughable. What exactly have you done that tops Emacs, GCC and the GNU coreutils, the GPL, etc?

Secondly, your argument applies to Ai Weiwei too: he could have a better life if he didn't refuse to accept the Chinese govt authoritarianism and didn't spend so much time in jail.
RMS is an activist, just like him. That you don't find his cause important enough doesn't change that.

See this is why I love LMAO at the FOSSies, they are so "There is but one true god!" they can't even think, like how you at the very first sentence threw an insult and then dared to get butthurt when i slapped your dumb ass down.

You want some fresh bitch slapping? Be careful what you wish for FOSSie, how about a nice kernel exploit? Or how about the guy that wrote EEEBuntu saying Ubuntu sucks which considering they are the current savior of Linux kinda tells you something. But why don't you say "Use Distro X" and then have the balls to name the X so i can show its just as big a POS, huh? As for why the older ones? frankly everyone has stop giving a fuck about your OS, you aren't even newsworthy anymore really. Now its all Win 7&8, OSX&iOS, and of course Android which just shows what happens when a company bitch slaps the community and takes it away from them, why it actually fucking runs!

How sad that even with a bug spreading through OSX there are writers pointing out that's no reason to torture yourself with Linux , after all even a virus ridden OSX actually runs which is more than most distros LOL! But hey, you can always tell them they can fix it otherwise they don't need that right? LOL! And I noticed you just couldn't fricking resist screaming "Nigger!" which in FOSSie is done by screaming PaidMicrosoftShill, hey you think you could throw in one more FOSSie cliche please? Then I'll have a FOSSie Flush ROFL!

But if you didn't have cliches and your pathetic attempts at insults why then you might have to have an independent thought and realize what everybody knows that even when MSFT put out a universally reviled OS you STILL got curb stomped, does that give you ANY clues? or all they all brainwashed by those black choppers that have been following you? Hell when the Chinese were given the choice of your "free OS" or pirating Windows they chose the latter even if it meant staying on XP and using IE fricking 6, LOL! Does that ring ANY bells? A smart person would say "what are we doing wrong the other guy is doing right?" but a FOSSie who is just like a Moonie in that they blindly follow, instead says "Its all a conspiracy! They are all shills keeping the masses from true salvation!" and then you wonder why we all laugh at you because you DON'T Listen, you DON'T learn, and Torvalds could take a big steaming dump and hand it to you and you'd thank him for his generous gift. So enjoy that fresh bitchslapping loony, enjoy the fact that the world really doesn't care...but I do, I enjoy slapping you, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Oh and Microsoft doesn't need shills, they have YOU. Its batshit loony tunes like YOU that make the entire community look like retarded basement trolls, its YOU that gives everyone the fodder for all the "Linux is for lusers" jokes, because you sound like a religious whacko. Frankly all any Microsoft or Apple rep has to do is show posts like yours and say 'you would want you company de

Oh look, its a FOSSie, aka basement troll. How's the koolaid, is it cherry? You want some links on breakage? be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it and that is showing that one of the largest OEMs on the planet can't keep your craptastic OS running without having to do their own fricking fork!

This is why a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? want some more? Nice thing about having the truth on your side instead of religious dogma, i can do this alllll day long! How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses

And how about that "great" Linux security that is supposed to be why we should put up with all this horseshit? Get ready, here they come! Kinda makes that koolaid just a little bitter now, don't it? Now why would anybody care when they could get a Mac or Win 7 and not deal with all this lies and horseshit?

BTW if you'd like a little more food for thought, what OS was 3 of the 4 CAs running that were compromised? take a look and see. Maybe they just had bad configs? Surely someone with knowledge would be safe right? Guess again and its not a fluke by any means.

Really? They are plenty critical of Microsoft.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gartner-windows-8-tablets-will-be-an-utter-failure-2012-4

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9076698/Windows_is_collapsing_Gartner_analysts_warn

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9862322-56.html

Stop with the stupid lame bias, which is proving the article's point, really.

I don't know - I would guess very little if any. The only reference I could find was this, but it's about the Nexus One:

Google is not trying to make a profit on sales of the Nexus, said Rubin. Instead, it's trying to "make sure we have great access to Google services... and the best possible Web experience," he explained. "You buy this and the advertising model takes off."

- http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9143115/Nexus_One_another_tactic_in_Google_s_ad_revenue_strategy

I don't think the concepts are that hard to grasp - the profit from phone sales pretty much all go to the manufacturer. I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse here?

Oh really now? Hi microsoft shill, let's call you on your lies.

http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20120209222500188

Also new evidence to substantiate B&N's claims seem to be showing up every day:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9225831/Why_tech_vendors_fund_patent_trolls_?taxonomyId=214 being *EXACTLY* what B&N have claimed.

I love how you act like it's over just because rejected a single complaint. I guess you were so quick to troll and hide information you couldn't even get your spelling right.

What a loaded article. It sounds like Foxconn's working conditions are actually much better than most companies in China...

Attack of the Apple apologists. What it actually shows is that Apple in fact has done little to correct the widely publicized working condition problems in its supply chain. Whether these problems exist in China or anywhere else is immaterial: Apple is the beneficiary of these oppressive labour practices in any case. Now Apple is faced with trimming its fat margins as opposed to its usual strategy of hammering its suppliers in underdeveloped economies in order to maintain its precious stock price. As it should have done in the first place, but reality distortion is Apple's entrenched culture. In the best case Apple begins to purge that ethical and moral rot along with some of the other less admirable legacy of its late founder. But the proof is action, not spin, and so far we have just seen spin from Apple.

And bear in mind that the Fair Labour Association is on the payroll of Apple and other perps. In other words, the primary purpose of the FLA is to "accredit" the supply chain on behalf of the corps that pay its bills. What is the real truth that would be revealed by a truly independent watchdog?

Besides how else is a company like: Vupen Security going to make money by selling exploits if we all used security-oriented OSs.

I mean jeez, you wanna take money from this guy's mouth? Why would you wanna do that? LoL

Mod parent Informative. They are actually using F5's Big Ip solution, from my snooping before it went down. And it was outsourced, to Accenture, who has such a good track record producing stable, efficient, Microsoft-based solutions.

What is even more funny, just last week, a report leaked in the Norwegian press about this very system being hastily implemented, poorly tested and perhaps insecure.