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Fedora's Greg DeKoenigsberg has finally posted a explanation on why Redhat has now included Mono in Fedora Core 5:

Fedora and Mono and OIN -- clarifications
Sorry for referring to a magazine article that most people can't actually get to. My mistake.

Let me give a little bit more detail, for the benefit of those who can't read the article in Linux Magazine.

1. What is OIN, and why do they matter?

OIN is the Open Invention Network. Prominent members include Red Hat, Sony, Novell, IBM, and Philips. (If I've left out your prominent organization, sorry.)

The idea behind OIN: throw a bunch of patents in a pool. Make those patents available to open source developers, and to companies who support open source developers.

More importantly: pool those patents to counterattack companies who might accuse us of infringing *their* patents.

One of the biggest weapons in OIN is the set of Commerce One patents. Basically, Commerce One got lots of potentially scary patents on e-commerce stuff, and then they went bankrupt -- and the question "who's going to buy the Commerce One patents" was hot for a while. When a mystery buyer scooped them up, it was big news in certain circles.

Turned out that the buyer was Novell. And they turned around and contributed them to the OIN pool. Well-deserved kudos to Novell.

For those who prefer the "nuclear patent war" analogy: OIN is the NATO of software patents -- and the Commerce One patents are ICBMs.

2. Where does Mono fit in?

Mono is on the OIN list of "protected patents". Meaning, "if someone sues you for allegedly infringing a patent on this list, you can use any of the patents in OIN's arsenal to go after them."

3. Why couldn't you tell us this in January, when you first dropped Mono into Fedora trees?

The existance of OIN has been public knowledge for a while, but the specific applicatations that were to be protected were not. (And applicatations is a funny typo, so I'm leaving it in.)

We were waiting for OIN to publish their "protected list" of applicatations. We didn't want to jump the gun. We started putting Mono stuff into our trees in January with the belief that OIN would be publishing their "protected list" any day now... any day now... any day now. For whatever reasons (good reasons, I'm sure), that didn't happen as quickly as we expected. By then we were committed to putting Mono into FC5, though, and so we had to make an uncomfortable public statement about "certain business issues" and so forth.

I don't actually know whether OIN *has* published this list -- going to openinventionnetwork.com doesn't show this list anywhere -- but since our lawyer is now comfortable listing them in a magazine article, that's good enough for me. :)

Hope this clears things up a little.

Disclaimer: I AM NOT A LAWYER. I AM NOT GIVING ANYONE LEGAL ADVICE. I AM MERELY EXPLAINING RED HAT'S POSITION FOR OTHER LAYMEN LIKE MYSELF. MARK WEBBINK'S ARTICLE IN LINUX MAGAZINE IS MUCH BETTER, IF YOU CAN GET A COPY OF IT. SORRY FOR SHOUTING. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

Also see what Risk to USERS of open source from patent claims?

Why wait for MS to catch up when you can have almost everything in those screenshots now?

assuming AIGLX is present in FC5

It isn't, but many of the necessary packages are shipped with FC5. If you want to try using AIGLX, you can install a separate X server with AIGLX support without touching your primary X server. More information can be found here:

assuming AIGLX is present in FC5

It isn't, but many of the necessary packages are shipped with FC5. If you want to try using AIGLX, you can install a separate X server with AIGLX support without touching your primary X server. More information can be found here:

assuming AIGLX is present in FC5

It isn't, but many of the necessary packages are shipped with FC5. If you want to try using AIGLX, you can install a separate X server with AIGLX support without touching your primary X server. More information can be found here:

I really don't think this person's experience is representative of the communities.

Anaconda: I've never seen a problem with it, and haven't had to use the text mode installer in years. At least, not when I didn't want to.

User accounts: It's true that this isn't done during the installation. The first time a Fedora or Red Hat OS boots up, it will ask you to add a non-root account or configure the system for "network login" (LDAP, NIS, winbind, or Hesiod). You don't have to "log in" to perform this step, and it's certainly not something that the distribution ignores. It happens after the reboot instead of before. Big deal.

MP3: Seriously, we go over this at every release. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems
It's simple. The GPL is explicitly incompatible with patents. Until there is an MP3 library available under a Free Software license that's NOT the GPL, inclusion isn't even an option. It's NOT LEGAL. If there were an MP3 lib, say, under a BSD license, then at least distribution would be legal, and the question would be simply one of politics.

There are a few things you need to consider before giving Fedora a try.

1. No NTFS support: If dual boot, you will not be able to read your Windows partitions.
2. No MP3 support (it's been like that for a while.)
3. No support for propietary drivers: I've been told that this is more of a bug than an intended feature, but I haven't heard any certainty to support either side.
4. No ReiserFS

It's also missing the Tango Icons, Anjuta, and a few more apps. They aren't necessarily deal breakers, but with a 5 cd download, you'd expect them to be there. Lack of MP3 support is by design, although a lot of people really aren't aware of it. Items 1,3,4 can all be resolved by compiling your own kernel, but not everyone enjoys doing that, - and with a newly released distro, you probably shouldn't have to. I can understand no NTFS and MP3 support for patent issues, but why no ReiserFS?

Here is a link to one of the reviews that I came across. You should probably check the Forbidden Items List as well.

When in text mode installer, I go to package group details with F2, then select all packages, click OK, when I go again there, they are not selected. Therefore, it is not possible to install emacs initially, as emacs is not installed by default, at least in productivity / office profile.

Graphical installer cannot be used with flat panels, as the X server starts with vertical refresh rate over 85 Hz, and usually flat panels top below that. Only text mode installation is possible with flat panels.

You can find more of such here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineV endors

I think what he means is that Xen install/configure is much simpler in FC5 vs FC4. I think this qualifies as a new feature. Kind of.

I think what he means is that Xen install/configure is much simpler in FC5 vs FC4. I think this qualifies as a new feature. Kind of.

I believe you will find that the kernel that is autocompiled beforehand will not accept the binary drivers

Normally, they do. The Nvidia drivers are broken because the spinlock macros were accidentally made GPL-only. The first kernel update will fix the problem.

install the drivers per nvidia's instructions...

It's probably better if you don't. If you read the Fedora Projects notes on 3rd party drivers, you'll notice that Nvidia and ATI both break X in subtle ways, and may leave GL in an unworkable state, even after uninstalling them.

I've tried XGL on Kororaa and I found it to be really cool and functional. Is XGL or equivalent packaged along with FC5?

Short answer: If you have a supported video card, I believe you should be able to run

gconftool-2 --get /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager --type bool true

Long answer: AIGLX is built in, which is more or less equivalent to XGL. The main difference is that AIGLX is expected to be merged into Xorg soon, and that AIGLX is an incremental backwards-compatible upgrade to X instead of a replacement like GLX is.

The cool features and functionality you played with were probably compiz. Metacity has much of the same infrastructure as compiz (both are dual window & compositing managers, though the compositing side of metacity was considered broken before 2.14.0) and some of the same eye-candy. If I understand correctly, you can enable it on the fly after a default install via

gconftool-2 --get /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager --type bool true

I've tried XGL on Kororaa and I found it to be really cool and functional. Is XGL or equivalent packaged along with FC5?

Short answer: If you have a supported video card, I believe you should be able to run

gconftool-2 --get /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager --type bool true

Long answer: AIGLX is built in, which is more or less equivalent to XGL. The main difference is that AIGLX is expected to be merged into Xorg soon, and that AIGLX is an incremental backwards-compatible upgrade to X instead of a replacement like GLX is.

The cool features and functionality you played with were probably compiz. Metacity has much of the same infrastructure as compiz (both are dual window & compositing managers, though the compositing side of metacity was considered broken before 2.14.0) and some of the same eye-candy. If I understand correctly, you can enable it on the fly after a default install via

gconftool-2 --get /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager --type bool true

Short answer is no.

From http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems

MP3 encoding/decoding support is not included in any Fedora application because MP3 is heavily patented in several regions including the United States. The patent holder is unwilling to give an unrestricted patent grant, as required by the GPL. Other platforms might have paid the royalty and/or included proprietary software. Other Linux distributions not based in a region affected by the patent might ship MP3 decoders/encoders or they might have included proprietary software. However, Fedora Core cannot and does not ship MP3 decoders/encoders in order to serve the goal of shipping only free and open source software that is not restricted by software patents.

Fedora Suggests: If possible, use patent unrestricted formats such as Ogg Vorbis (a lossy audio codec that has better quality than MP3), or FLAC (a lossless audio codec).

I suggest checking out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aig lx. Right now it doesn't look like Nvidia cards are supported by the AIGLX server- supposedly they should be coming along eventually, however. I haven't tried it, but theoretically at least the Metacity compositor should work on Xgl, which is apparently supported on Nvidia. Your mileage may vary, of course; it probably requires some hacking at the code to get it working.

Yea Bill Gates is an ass. he wouldn't know what mobile was if it was shoved up his ass, seriously. The new "ultra mobile" computers only have a 2 hour battery life, and thats in good conditions with new batteries. Cranking a computer in a 3rd world country where the electrical infastructure is close to nil is not only the best and most cost effective option that these people have, but its often the only one that these people have and the people will get many many more hours of usage than they could on those wimpy 2 hour UMCP things. Did I mention that you need to plug a UMCP product in? That is a problem for the majority of the world.

As far as software goes, well hell the article is misleading because, as most know, The Fedora Project, Red Hat, and the One Laptop Per Child Project (OLPC) have been working very closely together to get very usable and feature rich software onto these things, read more about it here. The $100 laptops are designed to be very rugged, kicked around, thrown into sand, etc... The software is being specifically designed to keep the administration costs just about non-existstent. From the Goals page in th above link:
To create a solid operating system base for the OLPC hardware which anyone can deploy, requires no administration and provides a clear platform on which to build applications for educational computing.

And from what I hear, everything is going along just great. Bill Gates is so used to creating software that requires constant administration that I don't think the concept of software that just works is familiar to him. He sees a great oppurtunity for profit here, if a small little MIT firm can convince the U.N. to buy millions of laptops at $100 each, Bill thinks that he can convince them to instead buy millions of "more capable" computers for "just 6 times" as much money. What an ass, he seriously has no idea about the conditions that these laptops will be used in. Not to mention, this laptop was designed for a small screen and usage, the UMCP just runs Windows XP Tablet Edition which causes nothing but unnecessary bloat and viruses and administration. Worse off is that the Origami only has a 7 inch screen, but Microsoft claims running MS Office on it is a good thing. Talk about not being able to read the damn thing, and if you're out away from electrical sources you get 2 hours and that's it. Bill Gates is just pissed that he missed an oppurtunity to milk the governments of the world for billions of dollars.
Regards,
Steve

Yea Bill Gates is an ass. he wouldn't know what mobile was if it was shoved up his ass, seriously. The new "ultra mobile" computers only have a 2 hour battery life, and thats in good conditions with new batteries. Cranking a computer in a 3rd world country where the electrical infastructure is close to nil is not only the best and most cost effective option that these people have, but its often the only one that these people have and the people will get many many more hours of usage than they could on those wimpy 2 hour UMCP things. Did I mention that you need to plug a UMCP product in? That is a problem for the majority of the world.

As far as software goes, well hell the article is misleading because, as most know, The Fedora Project, Red Hat, and the One Laptop Per Child Project (OLPC) have been working very closely together to get very usable and feature rich software onto these things, read more about it here. The $100 laptops are designed to be very rugged, kicked around, thrown into sand, etc... The software is being specifically designed to keep the administration costs just about non-existstent. From the Goals page in th above link:
To create a solid operating system base for the OLPC hardware which anyone can deploy, requires no administration and provides a clear platform on which to build applications for educational computing.

And from what I hear, everything is going along just great. Bill Gates is so used to creating software that requires constant administration that I don't think the concept of software that just works is familiar to him. He sees a great oppurtunity for profit here, if a small little MIT firm can convince the U.N. to buy millions of laptops at $100 each, Bill thinks that he can convince them to instead buy millions of "more capable" computers for "just 6 times" as much money. What an ass, he seriously has no idea about the conditions that these laptops will be used in. Not to mention, this laptop was designed for a small screen and usage, the UMCP just runs Windows XP Tablet Edition which causes nothing but unnecessary bloat and viruses and administration. Worse off is that the Origami only has a 7 inch screen, but Microsoft claims running MS Office on it is a good thing. Talk about not being able to read the damn thing, and if you're out away from electrical sources you get 2 hours and that's it. Bill Gates is just pissed that he missed an oppurtunity to milk the governments of the world for billions of dollars.
Regards,
Steve

I don't think you can move a running OS into a VM so there would have to be a reboot, at which point Tripwire would start screaming at you. Unless they find a way around the key based access that Tripwires dbase uses.

Tripwire is included in FC4s Extras repository BTW.

Tough call. I'm going to say no for Voodoo's older than V3 due to the lack of DRI. For Voodoos V3-5 I'm going to say maybe not due to unimplemented features in the 3dfx driver. I'm basing this on information from the AIGLX project which is similar but different to Xgl so this could be wide of the mark.

However last I heard Xgl was trying to target OpenGL 1.3 (or 1.2 with a particular extension). If your driver doesn't implement those features you could be out of luck...

As a Novell employee I disagree on all of your arguments but one - the kde versus gnome - I wish we could pick one but that ain't happening.

Yast and Redcarpet: Integrating redcarpet into yast was the right way to go. Since redcarpet (from Ximian) and Yast (from Suse) were able to collaborate and come out with a better solution shows that they have vision and execute the vision.

AppArmor vs SeLinux: see security wars Summary: Novell buys a best of breed security solution, then gives it to the community. RedHat wines: "In my opinion, Novell wants to split the market...".

Xgl vs Xegl: I don't see any confusion here, I think maybe you mean aiglx Xegl is a completely new Xserver. So to compare the three projects: Xegl = really hard, Xgl = hard, aiglx = easy.
I think the confusion around this comes from redHat. Novell chose Xgl, RedHat chose aiglx, Novell gets the credit, Redhat complains. Xegl is still a ways off.

Novell is putting significant investment into open source software (OpenOffice, Hula, Evolution, Xgl, AppArmor, Yast, iFolder, Gnome, KDE, SAMBA, and the kernel itself, and I'm sure other projects I'm not aware of) Despite the complaining from RedHat they deserve some respect.

With all that, it will it takes time to build momentum. Without a doubt the momentum for Linux from Novell is building, investors are simply upset that Novell is not there yet. The fact that Novell is number one in China is a signficant accomplishment that will result in revenue in the future.

Redhat have been working on a more evolutionary approach to spiffy OpenGL X Window. I'm not qualified to judge the merits of Xgl vs aiglx, but they claim it is a better design... not needing a complete new X server, and more of a slightly modified one that degrades nicely,

Heh, you severly underestimate Red Hat's contribution to the community:) Read this for a truncated list of contributions they've made. Some other products they've purchased and released include GFS, Cygwin, and eCos. They also contribute more code to the kernel than any other entity and in large part maintain and extend glib and GCC (they have a few people on the GCC board and contribute huge amounts of code, in fact many of the newest features in GCC 4.0.x you can thank Red Hat for). Here is another list, but that list is only for projects hosted from that site, so its not complete either, but suffice it to say that Red Hat does a staggering amount for the community, its kind of a shame when people bash them.
Regards,
Steve

The problem is that there are parts of GTK that have, over the last few months, *FINALLY* been optimized by someone who knows what they are doing

??? Now, where did you hear that stupidity?

Reasons for delay are:
- Trusted X (SELinux based X11)
- Xen integration
- Free Java replacement
- Live CD
- RHDS integration
- Actualy trimming setup to 1 or 2 CD-s
- Boot speedup
- New sound server
- Library deprecation

Here is Wiki about it for you to get your facts straight
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5Future

This are all too big plans for them to keep at 6month release. That is why this was changed to 9 months not GTK. GTK being speed up is just one of additional features that coincides with FC5 timing, not the reason.

From here it says no.

Fresh Installs Only. Upgrades are not supported (or even implemented). If you want to test Upgrade capability, please wait until FC5test2.

A common myth regarding Fedora. From http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMyths [fedoraproject.org]

MYTH - Fedora is unstable and unreliable, just a testbed for bleeding-edge software

FACT - This misconception comes from two things:

From http://fedora.redhat.com/ [redhat.com]: "It is also a proving ground for new technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat products."

Fedora has rapid releases, a short life-cycle, and a lot of new code.

They are advancing fine, every major release deserves a major number. These aren't minor releases, Core 4 was the first distribution using the new GCC 4.0 at the time, it also has default Xen support and a new yum manager that is much faster than the old one. Also Fedora Extras was establsihed with Core 4 and a bunch of other stuff. There have been similar milestones with the other Cores (such as integrating SELinux). Each core is a significant advancement over the previous core and deserves a major number change, not a minor number. I'm understating the improvements here. They aren't doing this to inflate their version number, it just so happens that enough people are helping out that they can get kick ass releases out pretty fast, not to mention Red Hat pays many engineers to work on it 5 days a week. They have however recently cut back their release schedule from every 6 months, to every 9 months to allow them to spend more time fully developing certain functionalities that can't be coded in a 6 month timeframe. Also for the curious minded, the Fedora community just finished up a fairly long community discussion about its new logo. The way that the winning logo was designed I thought was neat, you can read about it here.
Regards,
Steve

here you can find some more info on what is likely to go into FC5.

MYTH - Fedora is unstable and unreliable, just a testbed for bleeding-edge software

FACT - This misconception comes from two things:

1. From http://fedora.redhat.com/: "It is also a proving ground for new technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat products."
   
2. Fedora has rapid releases, a short life-cycle, and a lot of new code.
   

As for the first item, this means that Red Hat uses Fedora as a platform to promote the development of new technology, some of which might end up in Red Hat Enterprise Linux. This does not mean that Fedora is a dumping ground for untested code, it simply means that Fedora is a rapidly progressing platform.

For the second item, this does mean that Fedora is often running in uncharted innovative territory, but not that it is using too-new code. The programs in Fedora are generally stable releases or well-tested pre-release versions. There are guidelines behind the inclusion of pre-release software, and thorough testing is always done prior to Fedora Core releases.

Each version of Fedora Core receives updates from the Fedora development community that includes Red Hat for up to a year. Continuing updates from the Fedora Legacy Project may extend the life of a release to two years or more, depending on the release schedule. Refer to http://fedoralegacy.org/about/faq.php for more details.

We do everything we can to make sure that the final products released to the general public are stable and reliable. Fedora Core has proven that it can be a stable, reliable, and secure platform. Many businesses and organizations rely upon Fedora Core for both day-to-day tasks and, in some cases, critical infrastructure. Additionally, our well-managed packaging and review process adds an extra layer of safety not found in some other distributions. You can count on Fedora Core.

Putting the core and necessary aspects of Fedora on only 1-2 CDs is one big goal for the Core 5 release (tentatively scheduled for Februrary of next year). Check the FC5Future wiki page for more information: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC5Future

Now if only they (Fedora especially) would ship a basic "desktop install" on *one* CD image

Pretty sure people are working on this. If you are interesting in getting involved with development of such a solution in the Fedora space please take a moment and
look at:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi
and read up on discussions at: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-liv ecd-list

What be even *more* useful to more end-users would be to submit all those packages to Fedora Extras (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras)

Brahm (from TFA) says that "manifesto" was written as a parody, and it's up to you to decide if you want to believe that or not. The sad thing isn't that his words can be used against him, but the fact that his words can be used as the only evidence required to distinguish between a lawful technology invention, and an unlawful one.

Here is an excerpt from the fedora-announce email list: (Take note of the last torrent link.)

You can get Fedora Core 4 many ways:

VIA FEDORA.REDHAT.COM

* http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux /core/4/

VIA BITTORRENT

* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-i38 6.torrent
* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-x86 _64.torrent
* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-ppc .torrent

For DVD and other formats, see http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

Here is an excerpt from the fedora-announce email list: (Take note of the last torrent link.)

You can get Fedora Core 4 many ways:

VIA FEDORA.REDHAT.COM

* http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux /core/4/

VIA BITTORRENT

* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-i38 6.torrent
* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-x86 _64.torrent
* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-ppc .torrent

For DVD and other formats, see http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

Here is an excerpt from the fedora-announce email list: (Take note of the last torrent link.)

You can get Fedora Core 4 many ways:

VIA FEDORA.REDHAT.COM

* http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux /core/4/

VIA BITTORRENT

* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-i38 6.torrent
* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-x86 _64.torrent
* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-ppc .torrent

For DVD and other formats, see http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

Here is an excerpt from the fedora-announce email list: (Take note of the last torrent link.)

You can get Fedora Core 4 many ways:

VIA FEDORA.REDHAT.COM

* http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux /core/4/

VIA BITTORRENT

* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-i38 6.torrent
* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-x86 _64.torrent
* http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/stentz-binary-ppc .torrent

For DVD and other formats, see http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/

The Fedora developers have documented the yum upgrade process in the Fedora Project Wiki, here.

Under the FC1->FC4 upgrade the answer is:

FC1 -> FC2

Just Upgrade using anaconda - save yourself a world of pain.

In other words, boot off the FC4 installation disk, and select "Upgrade" as the installation type.

An official list of torrents has gone up at torrent.fedoraproject.org.

There is not even a supported way to upgrade from FC3 to FC4, or even from a FC4 test release.

That's not true at all. Upgrading from release to release is completely supported -- not in the "call Red Hat and they'll help you" sense, but in the "designed to work and if doesn't it will get fixed" sense.

Upgrading from test releases to final releases isn't supported (sometimes last-minute back-outs of dead end ideas makes that hard) but generally works.

And live update of a running FC3 system to FC4 via yum isn't officially supported, but also generally works just fine.

Seth Vidal posted instructions on how to upgrade Fedora with yum on the fedoraproject.org wiki earlier today. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq

google search, as always, comes through... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HCL

Something that's not mentioned -- this is the first release of Fedora Core with the "Extras" repository enabled by default. Fedora Extras is a volunteer packaging project of various software not in Core, and is currently providing additional 1,000 packages ready to install just by running "yum install foo."

If you don't see your favorite package in Extras, you can always become a contributor yourself.

Something that's not mentioned -- this is the first release of Fedora Core with the "Extras" repository enabled by default. Fedora Extras is a volunteer packaging project of various software not in Core, and is currently providing additional 1,000 packages ready to install just by running "yum install foo."

If you don't see your favorite package in Extras, you can always become a contributor yourself.

Something that's not mentioned -- this is the first release of Fedora Core with the "Extras" repository enabled by default. Fedora Extras is a volunteer packaging project of various software not in Core, and is currently providing additional 1,000 packages ready to install just by running "yum install foo."

If you don't see your favorite package in Extras, you can always become a contributor yourself.

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They were not inspired to use the name "Fedora" from Cornell/Virginia's project. I'm pretty sure they actually took the name from the "other" Fedora Project, fedora.us which was an "extras" repository project to supplement RedHat 7-9, and recieved RedHat sponsorship in exchange for running the entire "home version" distro of RedHat instead of just supplementing it. This was so RedHat could themselves focus solely on Enterprise (pay) software. The Fedora.us project is now located at fedoraproject.org although they still maintain their old URL. Interestingly, this Fedora Project is also run by a university, Hawaii in this case. In all cases I'd say they're the "real" Fedora Project, and that Cornell/Virginia's choice of names was just unlucky.

I recently read Colin Charles' blog and came across his announcement of FC3 for PPC is in testing. He notes that "the release is known to not boot on G5's, and we are working on re-building another tree, which we can push out soon", would this new Linux kernel patch help with this?