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Persu (Re:We need a new class of 'ultralight' cars
I really think it would be a big hit with consumers who don't wish to be exposed to the elements or have to balance a motorcycle, but would opt for BASIC transportation with a 500cc motor, 3 or 4 wheels, and enclosed cab.
You mean something like the Persu or the Carver One?
Why are these not on the market? Shut up and take my money!
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Overkill
I don't understand the current thinking that only a full-sized electric car will help us. Small three-wheeler electric vehicles for commuters, that are *affordable*, would help immensely. The only ones I've seen cost more than a civic hybrid (e.g. http://www.flytheroad.com/)
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Re:Big list
Thanks for the links. Did you forget Fly the Road?
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Re:Main disadvantage: What if you forget to charge
I'm in line for the Aptera all-electric model. I get regular updates and they DO seem to be on target for delivery in California. I waited years for the Venture One but it's still vaporware. All seems to indicate Aptera is the real deal.
Since I installed solar panels, the cost of charging the vehicle at night will be nominal, as my day-generation will offset the charge.
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Re:Trikes
You may be thinking of the Vector One? http://www.flytheroad.com/
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Re:Venture Vehicles (V1)
I understand the skepticism, honestly, I do. I think that their projections for time to market are a little cramped, although doable if their suppliers are able to deliver. But they have several things going for them. First, they are working with an existing reference model, the Carver 1 and have licensed the tilting technology from them. Second, they are going to utilize industry standard components as much as possible, which in theory should reduce supply issues. Third, they are realistic about their initial launch schedule. They are targeting a California launch and only 1000-2000 vehicles their first year using pre-fab construction facilities. Last, they have made some good strategic partners (that link on their site) is down at the moment, but check back.
Here is an article from the New York Times that spotlights them. An interesting read.
All in all, I'm still skeptical. But their CEO (who is active in their forums) is a very personable guy. He isn't looking for money from individuals for "down payments" and has been very realistic about all of the different aspects. Once they have some working prototypes then my skepticism will really drop, until then I'm just going to watch and hope it does come to market as it would probably be a really fun vehicle to drive.
Some more links. Venture1 on CBS
Some more about the Carver -
Re:Venture Vehicles (V1)
I understand the skepticism, honestly, I do. I think that their projections for time to market are a little cramped, although doable if their suppliers are able to deliver. But they have several things going for them. First, they are working with an existing reference model, the Carver 1 and have licensed the tilting technology from them. Second, they are going to utilize industry standard components as much as possible, which in theory should reduce supply issues. Third, they are realistic about their initial launch schedule. They are targeting a California launch and only 1000-2000 vehicles their first year using pre-fab construction facilities. Last, they have made some good strategic partners (that link on their site) is down at the moment, but check back.
Here is an article from the New York Times that spotlights them. An interesting read.
All in all, I'm still skeptical. But their CEO (who is active in their forums) is a very personable guy. He isn't looking for money from individuals for "down payments" and has been very realistic about all of the different aspects. Once they have some working prototypes then my skepticism will really drop, until then I'm just going to watch and hope it does come to market as it would probably be a really fun vehicle to drive.
Some more links. Venture1 on CBS
Some more about the Carver -
Re:My fearI don't know about mainstream lithium ion safety, but the nanolithium set - comprised of A123, Altairnano, and a few others, are claiming (and backing it up with videos of, say, nails being driven into their products) to be quite safe, in addition to having remarkably high power, being safe for full discharge, and fast-charging.
That's why one of the big vehicles that got overlooked in TFA, the Venture One, decided to go with them. It's an evolution of the dutch Carver, but as a slightly larger serial hybrid (small engine, small high-power battery, big electric inwheel motors). The pitch is:- 3 wheels with power tilting "Carving" feature
- 2 passenger
- 100mpg
- 100mph sustained speeds
- 0-60 in 7 seconds or less
- 350 mile range
- Safety features equal to or exceeding a small car with rollcage, but still classified as a motorcycle in the US
- less than $20k
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Venture Vehicles (V1)
Why did they not mention the V1 from Venture Vehicles? Here is the latest update from them that has some of the sketches of their design proposals. They are still targeting a 2009Q2 release (I hope they hit it), which is before 4 of the 6 vehicles listed.
It could just be me as that is about the only electric vehicle that I follow or care about, but I have a sneaking suspicion that TFA didn't do as much homework as they should have (I know, I know...and no I'm not new here, relatively speaking). -
Re:Fly the Road
Oops, botched my HTML. That link should be www.flytheroad.com.
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Good strawman, it falls down easily
Suppose that the car's fuel system has juice to cruise for 6 hours before refueling; in other words it holds 36 kWh worth of energy.
Way out of line with the first generation of PHEVs. The Chevy Volt's battery was recently specced at 16 kWh; the VentureOne, 3 kWh.In order to transfer this amount of energy into the cell in 5 minutes (1/12th of an hour) requires a sustained power output of 432 kW.
36 to 192 kW, for those vehicles being fast-charged (most will be charged overnight, and may even supply excess energy to the grid for people who want to charge immediately).Multiply with the amount of vechiles being reloaded simultaneously.
This will be limited to the number of vehicles on long-distance trips. If they are Tesla Roadsters or the equivalent with ~60 kWh of battery and 3+ hours range, the average load will be about 20 kW per vehicle, less than 1/20 your naïve figure.
Vehicles parked at home will be charged overnight. A Tesla Roadster will charge overnight from a 220 V, 30 A dryer outlet; the VentureOne will charge in a few hours from an extension cord, and the Chevy Volt will come to full charge in ~12 hours from the same. These loads are countercyclical, offsetting the normal daytime load peak; somewhere between 73% and 84% of the vehicle fleet could be supported by the current electrical generators as PHEV's. -
Re:I want a plug-in hybrid.Why would someone design a car simply for that trip? Cars/vehicles should be designed for the small trips someone does every day (less then 300 miles total trip distance) and if you need a larger vehicle or a gas-powered vehicle, you can rent one for a day or a week.
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Already been done?
is the Venture 1 excluded from the 2 passenger category? http://flytheroad.com/
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X-Prize Winner Right Here
Let's cut to the chase. There's already a winner:
http://www.flytheroad.com/
All we have to do now is ban those big, ugly cars. -
Re:I would like to know
Check this out, I think you'd like this:
http://www.flytheroad.com/ -
Re:Nuclear power... Disposing the waste
I don't think it's vaporware. One of the links, Fly The Road, has videos of the vehicle in action. If they can deliver the hybrid for less than $20k like they say they can, I'll definitely have a replacement commuting car.
The cool technology involved in the vehicle goes way beyond the batteries. Of course, the two models I'd be interested in are hybrids, not pure electric, but then that's the one that seems to be vapor right now. Watch the videos, this is a REALLY interesting "bike."