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Okay, I see you are able to be reasonable about this. So I have a few questions/observations.

The Native Americans and the Jews have also been victims of the most horrible forms of colonialism, institutional and interpersonal racism, or both. Why are they not topping the charts for violent crime like the blacks?

Native Americans https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?...

Jews http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/04...

The 2nd is much more illustrative of the mechanisms, and finishes with a simple enough point: sub-sets of society who are marginalized long enough (living in reservations, jewish ghettos, US inner-city ghettos) will end up with increased crime rates (including violent crime). Also note that while what you said is logically correct (your "or both" above helps), the Jews haven't in recent memory been "colonized", as until recently they did not claim any land. Crime records for Jews in (e.g.) biblical Egypt would indeed be interesting to see...

Prove it! Not with hyperbole but actual proof. Did we drop any atomic bombs in any non-civilian areas to demonstrate that we could decimate large populations and Japan seeing this refused to surrender? NO! We dropped 2 atomic bombs on two cities full of civilians. We never attempted to drop the atomic bombs on more sensible targets, such as a military base on the coast. We went right after two large civilian targets, killing for "maximum psychological effect". Here is a source for you to read, but you can find plenty of sources to debunk your belief.

The majority of the arguments attempting to back bombing 2 cities relates to "invading japan" and claiming how impossible it would have been. More horse shit, because Japan was out of resources and could not produce any longer. They had no planes to defend themselves, and no fuel. Japan had to import petroleum, metals, sulfur, and potassium. The US had decimated their shipping. Further, they lost most of their conquered territory on mainland Asia where they were able to get these resources. In one Tokyo bombing raid 100,000 civilians were killed because Japan COULD NOT DEFEND ITSELF! Russia had just declared war and almost immediately captured one of their puppet states and Japan was already negotiating with Russia to end that part of the war.

There is no truth to the claim that the US was still under threat from Japan at that point, and there is no proof that Japan would not have surrendered prior to dropping the atomic bombs. There is evidence that they were already considering surrender when the bombs were dropped. Make sure to follow all the links in that one, where you will find both US and UK intelligence documents showing that Japan was trying to negotiate surrender 3 weeks prior to the bombs.

Which delusion?

Mossad as weapon?

Mossad has big budget?

Israel encourages settlers by giving them confiscated land?

I don't think you'll find anything delusional about my post. Maybe you need to consider your own biases.

I am watching my country turn into a fascist police state before my eyes. .......

no our country has always been a fascist police state the internet is just allowing you to see what the government does behind the scenes....

Denying polictical figures a visa is a really good example apologies about the David Irving link. http://www.fpp.co.uk/Australia/Legal/ACLU130398.html

Please forgive me for posting like this, but this is a dead-serious issue, so please, please,
please read on. This is a story that *has* to be told. So, I beg you: read this out before you hit the del button. If you do, Slashdot will be on CNN tonight and Bush will be out of the White House.
So please, give me the benefit of the doubt and read this trough before you hit delete.
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Slashdot readers are smart people that can add one and one together. So, when they read why Second Life's supposed economy isn't a whole lot more than a typical pyramid scheme because the Linden company can print Linden dollars out of thin air at any rate they like, and can therefore buy and sell as much dollars at the exchange market as they like, so they can pretty much manipulate the whole SL economy as they please, they will also be able to figure out that the real US banking and monetary system can be manipulated at exactly the same way, because the Federal Reserve has enjoyed the absolute power to do literally anything it wants, which is probably why Henry Ford said he believed there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning if "the people of the nation" would "understand our banking and monetary system".

If they also read how the US corporations, owned by the same people that own the FED, systematically and consciously rape the poorest people of the world by using the trick of putting whole nations into debt to make them dependent and controllable by raising inflation tax, just as has been described in protocol number 6 of the so-called Zion protocols and continue reading that protcols, they would also understand why Henry Ford was a known anti-semite, as well as Winston Churchill, who wrote about a world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality that "has been steadily growing".

If you believe, like Ford and Churchill, in the existence of such a conspiracy, Slashdot readers would not just take for granted that it was "the Jews", but look at the most logical place for the conspiritors, which would be at the top of the pyramid, for who wars are very profitable as well, as is also described in said protocols. So, When Slashdot reades also learn that following Hitler's money leads al but directly to the White House and that Al Qaida in a way can be more or less considered to be the last remaining and still active Waffen-SS Division, because there are pretty direct links to the Waffen-SS Muslim Devision hardly anybody knew existed, they will also be able to understand Multatuli's extremely inconvenient truth laying this all out in detail.

Then they will also realise that 911 was an inside job after all and never be able to trust anyone on the memberlist of the order of Skull and Bones. Since Ron Paul was on the video Multatuli watched to get insight into the workings of the Fed, he gave him the benefit of the doub

Why Slashdot will be on CNN tonight and Ron Paul will probably be the next US president.

and Ron Paul will probably be the next president of the United States.

Slashdot readers are smart people that can add one and one together. So, when they read why Second Life's supposed economy isn't a whole lot more than a typical pyramid scheme because the Linden company can print Linden dollars out of thin air at any rate they like, and can therefore buy and sell as much dollars at the exchange market as they like, so they can pretty much manipulate the whole SL economy as they please, they will also be able to figure out that the real US banking and monetary system can be manipulated at exactly the same way, because the Federal Reserve has enjoyed the absolute power to do literally anything it wants, which is probably why Henry Ford said he believed there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning if "the people of the nation" would "understand our banking and monetary system".

If they also read how the US corporations, owned by the same people that own the FED, systematically and consciously rape the poorest people of the world by using the trick of putting whole nations into debt to make them dependent and controllable by raising inflation tax, just as has been described in protocol number 6 of the so-called Zion protocols and continue reading that protcols, they would also understand why Henry Ford was a known anti-semite, as well as Winston Churchill, who wrote about a world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality that "has been steadily growing".

If you believe, like Ford and Churchill, in the existence of such a conspiracy, Slashdot readers would not just take for granted that it was "the Jews", but look at the most logical place for the conspiritors, which would be at the top of the pyramid, for who wars are very profitable as well, as is also described in said protocols. So, When Slashdot reades also learn that following Hitler's money leads al but directly to the White House and that Al Qaida in a way can be more or less considered to be the last remaining and still active Waffen-SS Division, because there are pretty direct links to the Waffen-SS Muslim Devision hardly anybody knew existed, they will also be able to understand Multatuli's extremely inconvenient truth laying this all out in detail.

Then they will also realise that 911 was an inside job after all and never be able to trust anyone on the memberlist of the order of Skull and Bones. Since Ron Paul was on the video Multatuli watched to get insight into the workings of the Fed, he gave him the benefit of the doubt and linked to his site from his article.

Given the importance of this message, the chance that this will end up on the front page of Slashdot equals more then 99%, *IF* enough readers read this message. Since it will

and Ron Paul will probably be the next president of the United States.

Slashdot readers are smart people that can add one and one together. So, when they read why Second Life's supposed economy isn't a whole lot more than a typical pyramid scheme because the Linden company can print Linden dollars out of thin air at any rate they like, and can therefore buy and sell as much dollars at the exchange market as they like, so they can pretty much manipulate the whole SL economy as they please, they will also be able to figure out that the real US banking and monetary system can be manipulated at exactly the same way, because the Federal Reserve has enjoyed the absolute power to do literally anything it wants, which is probably why Henry Ford said he believed there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning if "the people of the nation" would "understand our banking and monetary system".

If they also read how the US corporations, owned by the same people that own the FED, systematically and consciously rape the poorest people of the world by using the trick of putting whole nations into debt to make them dependent and controllable by raising inflation tax, just as has been described in protocol number 6 of the so-called Zion protocols and continue reading that protcols, they would also understand why Henry Ford was a known anti-semite, as well as Winston Churchill, who wrote about a world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality that "has been steadily growing".

If you believe, like Ford and Churchill, in the existence of such a conspiracy, Slashdot readers would not just take for granted that it was "the Jews", but look at the most logical place for the conspiritors, which would be at the top of the pyramid, for who wars are very profitable as well, as is also described in said protocols. So, When Slashdot reades also learn that following Hitler's money leads al but directly to the White House and that Al Qaida in a way can be more or less considered to be the last remaining and still active Waffen-SS Division, because there are pretty direct links to the Waffen-SS Muslim Devision hardly anybody knew existed, they will also be able to understand Multatuli's extremely inconvenient truth laying this all out in detail.

Then they will also realise that 911 was an inside job after all and never be able to trust anyone on the memberlist of the order of Skull and Bones. Since Ron Paul was on the video Multatuli watched to get insight into the workings of the Fed, he gave him the benefit of the doubt and linked to his site from his article.

Given the importance of this message, the chance that this will end up on the front page of Slashdot equals more then 99%, *IF* enough readers read this message. Since it will be extremely cool, as a side-effect of sending the world's biggest war-criminals to justice, to

Oh really? Maybe you should do some reading.

Do you mean kind of what your government tried recently in order to influence EU media?

Lucky you, that we do not take this very serious. No, in my view that was really stupid on part of the Bush administration, but it certainly was not an act of war.

But then again in your world view I probably may as well be one of those foreign agents trying to influence the /. crowd, so why would you believe anything I write anyway.

Please wrap your head a bit tighter with your tin foil, after all the EU Galileo satellites are clearly out to get you.

Boy, it really is people like you that are obviously so far divorced from reality that make the world fear (for) the US.

My apologies for the incorrect formatting on the first link. You may get a 404 in most browsers as I included an extra slash by mistake.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/atombomb/stra nge_myth/article.html

I'm also sorry for the lazy attention to grammar and spelling.

They knew that the other flights had been deliberately crashed.

They were too late to save themselves because the takeover only lasted a few seconds.

What if it had been a Cuban flight and there was reason to believe that the plane would land safely? In that situation, a "vigilant" passenger might get everyone killed.

"It may be that their defense was effective"

Even if they managed to disable the hijackers, they would have had to land the plane.

The hijackers may have deliberately crashed the plane after/during the uprising, or maybe the passengers were unable to fly the plane, or maybe the plane was shot down by a military fighter, either during or after the attempt to retake the plane. We just don't know. Either way, the passengers did finally do the right thing, given the circumstances, and their actions may have (or may not have) have saved many lives on the ground.

They knew that the other flights had been deliberately crashed.

They were too late to save themselves because the takeover only lasted a few seconds.

What if it had been a Cuban flight and there was reason to believe that the plane would land safely? In that situation, a "vigilant" passenger might get everyone killed.

"It may be that their defense was effective"

Even if they managed to disable the hijackers, they would have had to land the plane.

The hijackers may have deliberately crashed the plane after/during the uprising, or maybe the passengers were unable to fly the plane, or maybe the plane was shot down by a military fighter, either during or after the attempt to retake the plane. We just don't know. Either way, the passengers did finally do the right thing, given the circumstances, and their actions may have (or may not have) have saved many lives on the ground.

Sergey Brin in drag during his Stanford days!

Okay, now I've just signed away my opportunity to work for Google, ever.

When Saddam slaughtering Iranians, Shiites and Kurds with poison gas, the US was happy to be his friend, so long as he obeyed orders. Here's a picture of Rumsfeld bravely standing up to the butcher, the day after the UN released its report on how Iraq had used mustard gas and nerve gas against Iranian troops.

Yes Saddam would have been happy to keep on selling us oil, in dollars. In fact if he had, he'd still be our Ally In The War On Terror(tm), just like Uzbekistan and Saudi, two other vile dictatorships you're still supporting.

Saddam's unpardonable crime was to switch from US dollars to Euros in 2000 for payment. This meant that not only did Europe not need dollars anymore, but also that which imports over 80% of its oil from the Middle East would have to convert much of its dollar assets to Euro assets. The US on the other hand, being the world's largest oil importer would have to acquire Euro reserves, i.e. it would have to run a trade surplus. The conversion from trade deficit to trade surplus would have to be done at a time when its property and stock market prices were collapsing and its own oil supplies were contracting. It would have been a very painful conversion; potentially disastrous.

Iraq is also an essential base fom which to attack the really big prize, Iran. Iran has also been threatening for a few years to switch to Euros for its oil payments.

For more information on why the US is invading so many countries, I suggest you read this report by the PNAC.

Germany and Japan weren't annexed after WWII

Well, if Germany is considered, it was appendixed instead.

Nothing I can complain about, but I might point to the Morgenthau plan which (to my knowledge) was considered viable by Roosevelt. The difference was that then political control loops were in place that in the end lead to (more) rational behaviour. From what I perceive today, feedback is missing.

CC.

Inasmuch Nader is the only candidate that isn't in Israel's grasp, a [N]ew York Times article sent in by an 'Einstein' denouncing him is just a bit obvious. Heh.

Inasmuch Nader is the only candidate that isn't in Israel's grasp, a [N]ew York Times article sent in by an 'Einstein' denouncing him is just a bit obvious. Heh.

What don't you like? Are you saying Wolfowitz is not Jewish? Are you saying Jews don't want the U.S. government on their side, as they kill Palestinians? (Guess who paid for those Israeli Blackhawk helicopters that shoot at Palestinians on the ground: You, if you are an American taxpayer.)

If you are saying that Christian fundamentalists don't think that all Jews will be converted during the "end time", you are very out of touch with people who are less educated than you. If you think that most Jews will actually be converted, rather than killed, you don't know Jewish or fundamentalist Christian culture.

If you think that encouraging Jews to fight Arabs and Muslims is good for Jews, you don't know how violence works.

A lot of people who plan to vote for Bush are very poorly informed about what is actually happening.

Well, NYFD did act. After noticing that after the first attempt to topple the WTC (26th Feb 1993), the police department successfully rescued some people via helicopter from the roof, they had to act.

Indeed, fire departments advice is to always flee downstairs never upstairs. The NYPD's intervention was a dangerous interference into the fire department's work, and a re-occurrence of such a bold stunt had to be prevented at all costs.

The fire department rejected recommendations from police pilots that an area of the north tower's roof be kept clear for helicopter landings. The antennas were put back up. And mostly for security reasons, the Port Authority kept the two sets of heavy metal doors leading to the building's only roof exit tightly locked -- as they would be on the morning of Sept. 11, when they successfully kept the victims securely trapped in the towers, all the while police helicopters were hovering overhead, wondering why nobody fled to the roof...

Yeah. Clinton had one of those moments too when he blew up an aspirin factory where he thought bin Laden was making chemical weapons. Or the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade.

And, luckily enough, thats exactly what the author of "IBM and the Holocaust" wants you to think when you think IBM. It is amazing what vindictiveness can be unleashed when someone loses a lot of money.

Edwin Black (the main proponent of IBM==Nazi supporter theory) lost a lot of money when IBM dropped OS/2. He has always been known to be quite aggressive .

What does matter however is Great Britain controlled 2/3 of the world in 1939. It was extreme hypocricy to suggest the British had a any more right to the world as Germany.

You are David Irving and I claim my five pounds!

Read about how the U.S. government bribed Saddam and the Baath party for their phony war.

Cheers,
W00t

Get Your War On

Sure, these people are our best friends. That's why when we declaired war on terrorists we didn't condem the biggest terrorists of them all. Heck that they knew about the WTC attack in advance and even filmed and cheered about it. Or that they sent instant messages about it hours befor it happened or that despite their high presense in the financial center, they almostly completely avoided any loss of life

OK, the above is from a UK newspaper published in Israle as well as the International Herald Tribune. Wish I could find a link to the original Washington Post article; it seems to have vanished. But I did see the story about the text messages on the Washington Post site myself, and so did millions of other people And, of course, if you want a local respected U.S. source you can still find the article on ABC News' site about the Jews who filmed and celebrated the destruction, although you really had to see the show to get a full appreciation of how smug and happy that were about it.

Yea, these people are our good friends, our 51st state. Heck, they haven't openly attacked and killed us since they got the U.S. Liberty over 30 years ago.

Our good honest decent friends the Isrealis would share their spy stuff with us, why they even believe in sharing so much they had Jonathan Pollard spy on us to make sure that we shared with them.

Sure, these people are our best friends. That's why when we declaired war on terrorists we didn't condem the biggest terrorists of them all. Heck that they knew about the WTC attack in advance and even filmed and cheered about it. Or that they sent instant messages about it hours befor it happened or that despite their high presense in the financial center, they almostly completely avoided any loss of life

OK, the above is from a UK newspaper published in Israle as well as the International Herald Tribune. Wish I could find a link to the original Washington Post article; it seems to have vanished. But I did see the story about the text messages on the Washington Post site myself, and so did millions of other people And, of course, if you want a local respected U.S. source you can still find the article on ABC News' site about the Jews who filmed and celebrated the destruction, although you really had to see the show to get a full appreciation of how smug and happy that were about it.

Yea, these people are our good friends, our 51st state. Heck, they haven't openly attacked and killed us since they got the U.S. Liberty over 30 years ago.

Our good honest decent friends the Isrealis would share their spy stuff with us, why they even believe in sharing so much they had Jonathan Pollard spy on us to make sure that we shared with them.

Sure, these people are our best friends. That's why when we declaired war on terrorists we didn't condem the biggest terrorists of them all. Heck that they knew about the WTC attack in advance and even filmed and cheered about it. Or that they sent instant messages about it hours befor it happened or that despite their high presense in the financial center, they almostly completely avoided any loss of life

OK, the above is from a UK newspaper published in Israle as well as the International Herald Tribune. Wish I could find a link to the original Washington Post article; it seems to have vanished. But I did see the story about the text messages on the Washington Post site myself, and so did millions of other people And, of course, if you want a local respected U.S. source you can still find the article on ABC News' site about the Jews who filmed and celebrated the destruction, although you really had to see the show to get a full appreciation of how smug and happy that were about it.

Yea, these people are our good friends, our 51st state. Heck, they haven't openly attacked and killed us since they got the U.S. Liberty over 30 years ago.

Our good honest decent friends the Isrealis would share their spy stuff with us, why they even believe in sharing so much they had Jonathan Pollard spy on us to make sure that we shared with them.

I was actually refering to Bin Laden, not Arafat. Thought that the fuss about the translation of these tapes was common knowledge...

I really don't understand why you use an argument like this. It's old and tired. Rah, rah, rah. We represent freedom and everything that's right with the world. Yada-yada-ya. Yes, I know that's the claim. The other guys are worse than us and all of that.

I assert that the reality is that we aren't that terribly different and that while the U.S. government is rigorous in it's defense of the freedoms of your average American, it really couldn't care less about anyone outside it's borders regardless of what the propaganda machine claims.

For instance, there are the bombings of Dresden and Hamburg (~175-200,000 dead), use of Atomic weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki (~350,000 dead), and significant loss of life for Iraqi children (~200-500,000 over 5-10 years).

Sadly, you point out that the U.S. formed it's policy against Saddam Hussein based, amongst other reasons, on their concern over the plight of the Kurds. This while they provide and continue to turn a blind eye to the large numbers of deaths of these exact same Kurds in Turkey (~40,000 dead). Note that the above listed numbers are predominantly civilian casualties. When other countries do this it's called terrorism. But the U.S. government does not engagement in this. Nor do any of it's "client" states. Like Turkey, of whom, 75% of their arsenal is supplied by the U.S. government. The arsenal used to kill these same Kurds. The U.S. government's desire to help the Kurds is clearly overwhelming in it's earnestness.

You are using typical apologist tactics for people unwilling to take any time to do a careful analysis of the actual facts or to use sources beyond those provided by the mainstream media. "We had to do it." "We're not as bad as the real bad guys."

How many people died crossing the Berlin wall? Was it any where near the roughly 1 million civilians (from above) that the U.S. has directly or indirectly killed? This isn't even a significant sampling of the number of civilian casualties the U.S. has at least some responsibility for.

Sort of, but at least in Arab countries, there's still a very pervasive and very effective propaganda machine. The percentage of the population that believes that the attacks of Sept 11 were orchestrated by Mossad (Israeli intelligence service), not by Muslim terrorists is pretty large.

Prove it.

He's not the one who started trolling, dude. Something about pots calling kettles black.

No, I'm just vehement. I'm very frustrated with people who just parrot the party line. I will avoid any further "trolls".

because he was opposed to the brutally repressive Iranian regime which was at the time just as bad and openly hostile to America and openly supporting international terrorism.

Right. The one we were also funding and arming during the Iran-Iraq war. Playing both sides against eachother essentially. See any of the Iran-Contra investigation information available on the web. Arms sales to Iran were occuring at the same time as arms sales to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988).

Nicaragua is a good example. Democracy is taking hold there, after years of bloody Communist dictatorship.

The "bloody Communist dictatorship" doubled literacy, among other things. Also, they were in the process in 1985 of building a democratically elected government. Admittedly, very Sandinista biased at first, but it could have gone somewhere but for U.S. embargo, U.S. funding of the Contras (funded by arms shipments to Iran and drug money). Who knows? Do you? No.

Regardless, atrocities on both sides are well documented and there are not clear "winners" as far as any kind of moral conscience. You can't really prove that the Contras were any less "bloody" or that Democracy would never have been established.

As far as I know this was only the second use of weapons of mass destruction since the end of WWII (the other being Soviet gas attacks in Afghanistan). These were carried out against civilian targets and horribly effective. At this point the US began open opposition to Hussein's regime.

Well, I don't really understand why you use this argument. Dead is dead. I'm not really clear why it should matter what the mechanism is.

Are you aware that the total tonnage of bombs dropped on Vietnam is significantly larger than all of that dropped during WWII? That's not a Weapon of Mass Destruction?

The US tries to be a force for good. Sometimes we fail. Others not so much.

Regardless, you haven't really made any arguments that prove that the U.S. tries to be a force for good. Or, if we take your assumption that this is true and agree with you (for a moment), then we must also assume that the end justifies the means even when we kill more than we save by doing so.

I don't buy it. The use of force as a mechanism for solving problems (while effective in many ways) simply leads others (usually the ones on the receiving end) to the conclusion that opposing force is required in response.

A spiralling cycle of violence.

Ensuing power struggles.

In summary, I think it's pretty clear that U.S. government simply tries to maintain it's dominance and the reason it is not involved in conflicts like Myanmar (as you point out) is that there are no political (read: domination/power) reasons for it to do so. If it were so concerned about being a force for good it would be more concerned about Myanmar, East Timor, and the myriad of other examples where it essentially ignores suffering people because there is no perceived benefit.