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The Maverick and His Machine

roomisigloomis writes "The Maverick and His Machine begins with a paragraph that sounds like the first line of a film noir: 'Thomas John Watson began his life at age 40, after Dayton, Ohio, nearly ruined him.' From there, what one would expect to be a stuffy, boring book about a dead white man turns out to be an interesting and inspiring account of The International Business Machines Company (IBM) and the man who started it. Why would a geek care? Because IBM, its technological breakthroughs and Watson are very much the foundation of commercial technology as we know it today." Read on for the rest. The Maverick and His Machine: Thomas Watson, Sr. and the Making of IBM author Kevin Maney pages 512 publisher Wiley, John & Sons, Incorporated rating 7 reviewer roomisgloomis ISBN 0471414638 summary How IBM came to be, and to succeed.

At age 40, Watson was thrown a curve ball that, like that first sentence says, nearly ruined him. In fact, it sent him so low that this shaped his character more than anything that had happened to him earlier in his lifetime. It sent him to the lower depths and resulted in him being given the reigns of an equally down-in-the dumps loser business just to get rid of him. He was banished to a corporate Siberia. He was considered a loser, and given a loser's position in a loser's business.

It's at this point that he reshaped and remade that company into what is today known as IBM. The blue suits and white shirts that were the uniform of IBM men became so because he wore one every day. There was no written rule that employees had to wear them; they did it because he did it. That says something: he led by example and his employees admired him.

Just as an aside, it seems that Watson's big thing was that things didn't happen (or went wrong) because people didn't think hard enough. To encourage employees to think he had big "THINK" signs put all over the company. This evolved into "Think" buttons, and employees were even allowed and encouraged to kick back and think. Eventually, small notepads were emblazoned with "Think" and they were called "Thinkpads." Hence, the name of the laptop.

THINK, by the way, is the reason that the company created so many technological innovations.

Now, just because Watson started IBM and largely shaped it into one of the most successful companies in the world doesn't mean he was a saint. Some of the most interesting parts of the book have to do with his home life and how he treated his wife and kids. It seems that he was somewhat of a manipulator who knew how to shape people by breaking them and remaking them.

One story about his son (who would later become CEO of the company) shows Watson's mean streak. It seems that, early in the younger Watson's career, after dinner together at home, the elder asked him what his impression was of one of his executives.

The younger Watson dutifully answered, seeking to impress his father with his skill at observing people. The elder paused and then berated the young man for daring to form an opinion about a seasoned executive who had years of experience behind him. Who did the young man think he was to judge someone who had been in the business since before he was born?

While this isn't the stuff of Ward Cleaver, Watson was, all the same, a courageous and enterprising individual who took risks and (most of the time) succeeded. Especially engrossing is the episode during the depression when IBM was in danger of bankruptcy and shutting its doors. Watson, contrary to what most intelligent people would do, gave a rousing talk to his top executives, telling them that instead of cutting back on manufacturing and personnel, they should increase both.

Luckily (for Watson), a few months later, Pearl Harbor happened and, with the sharp increase in troops, materials and logistics, the U.S. government needed "calculating machines" and needed them fast. While major competitors like NCR and Burroughs had to ramp up production to meet demand, IBM, with its ready stockpile of machines won the contract and delivered, saving them from possible bankruptcy.

There is a lot more I could say about the book but because I don't want to spoil anything, I won't go into it here. However, if you're a Big Blue fan (and I am), you might want to follow up this read with Lou Gerstner, Jr.'s book, Who Says Elephants Can't Dance. It's a great read about how, for the second time in its history, the company was saved from becoming history.

You can purchase The Maverick and His Machine: Thomas Watson, Sr. and the Making of IBM from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

255 comments

  1. did this maverick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    also forget to close the italics tag?

    1. Re:did this maverick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      u r n one dee ten tee, ma nizzle

    2. Re:did this maverick by kaustin · · Score: 1

      It wasn't an italics tag. It was a cite tag. As in 'The Maverick and His Machine'

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  2. It did not really start with IBM... by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The grandfather of 'business with a baseball bat' was NCR. IBM was the best practitioner of this until Microsoft took over the crown in the 1990's.

    IIRC Thomas Watson learnt his art at NCR, where the ability to smash a rival's machines was one of the job requirements for an ambitious cash register salesman. These days, I'd guess that translates into being able to produce VR TCO studies proving that Windows is cheaper.

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    1. Re:It did not really start with IBM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, there's a Microsoft salesman wandering around our server room brandishing a baseball bat! Shit!! There goes our webserver. YOU BASTARD!!! YOU KILLED XENNY!!

    2. Re:It did not really start with IBM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, no! Slashdot humor on teh spoke!

    3. Re:It did not really start with IBM... by clawsoon · · Score: 1

      Yep... Thomas Watson is just another one of those super-competitive bastards who ran a big evil company, doing everything possible to drive competitors out of business and stifle innovation that wouldn't profit his company and himself. Rockefeller, George Eastman (Kodak), Alfred Sloan (General Motors), Thomas Watson, Bill Gates - all used the most gouging and heavy-handed practices they could legally get away with to maximize profit and crush competition.

      Another tactic these companies engaged in (and still do) was patenting innovations not to use them but simply so that competitors couldn't. How many good ideas - that some nimble little company could've at least tried to succeed with - have been buried in the bowels of these dinosaurs?

      Andrew Klaassen

  3. Old Evil Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it very funny that slashdotters are so in love with the company that only 20 years ago was the evil empire. If in 10 years Microsoft does a turn around and starts supporting Linux will we all forget the evils of the past? But then again I am sure many slashdotters are smokers and there is no more evil empire then Big Tobacco.

    1. Re:Old Evil Empire by happyfrogcow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      20 years is a really long time in this context. Anyway, i'm a little hesitant to welcome IBM into our homes as much as some are doing so. Who know what they will do in a few years with respect to linux.

    2. Re:Old Evil Empire by molarmass192 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally, it would take more than MS supporting Linux, it would take a change in MS's business practices. I used to detest IBM but their attitude towards business changed. It's just an added bonus that they are the most visible corp backers of Linux. If MS drops their exclusionary tactics and user lock-in strategies of proprietary standards / open standards corruption then I might have a change of heart. However, it would ~5 years of "good behavior" before my suspicions wane, just like it did for IBM.

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    3. Re:Old Evil Empire by aiken_d · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If in 10 years Microsoft does a turn around and starts supporting Linux will we all forget the evils of the past?

      I sure hope so. One of the defining (and refreshing) characterstics of geeks is their pragmatism. If, in 10 years, Microsoft is behaving decently and contributing to the computing community in a way similar to what IBM's doing today, sure, I'd be friendly towards them.

      What's the alternative? Draw up a big list of "evil" companies who can never be redeemed for the sins of their past, and then hunker down and hate them for the rest of our lives? There probably wouldn't be many alternatives for IT products, let alone food and footwear, after a couple of decades.

      Deal with it. Microsoft is *not* evil in some intrinsic, satanic sense. They're just doing evil and dishonest things. If that changes in the future, I for one will welcome them back into the fold.

      Cheers
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    4. Re:Old Evil Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No, I'm thinking the true evil empire was ATT , I just remember IBM as making reliable equipment, their line printers, forgot the model number, but they would shake the second floor of a concrete and steel office building when they were running full on. I haven't seen computer equipment do that in a long while.

    5. Re:Old Evil Empire by PylonHead · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly. It's like having a big brother. When someone on the outside comes after you, he will defend you.

      But when there is no external danger around, he likes to pin you down to the ground and give you nuggies.

      Fear the IBM nuggies!

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    6. Re:Old Evil Empire by gryphokk · · Score: 1

      Draw up a big list of "evil" companies who can never be redeemed for the sins of their past, and then hunker down and hate them for the rest of our lives?

      Can you "Mitusbishi Zero"?

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    7. Re:Old Evil Empire by reallocate · · Score: 0, Insightful

      It's because most slashdotters don't remember much from 20 years ago, don't really know much about techology, and even less about business. Bashing Microsoft is just another politically correct rant, geek-style.

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    8. Re:Old Evil Empire by BaronAaron · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exactly. It's like being a prison bitch. When someone on the outside comes after you, he will defend you.

      But when there is no external danger around, he likes to pin you down to the ground and fuck you.

      Fear the IBM ass raping!

    9. Re:Old Evil Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Boeing B-17

      The asphalt in Hamburg was set on fire.

    10. Re:Old Evil Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      IBM 1401 - chain printer
      we had ours hooked up to an IBM 4341 mainframe as device 01E. There was one print chain for normal work and a second print chain (with lower case letters!) for University reports. When you changed the chains, you had to line them up properly or the output was ROT13'ed.

      You needed earmuffs and static-guards around that monster. It would shock the crap out of you. Ahhhh, those were the days.

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    11. Re:Old Evil Empire by Brandybuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unlike most of the Slashdot crowd, I'm old enough to remember twenty years ago very clearly. IBM was *NOT* considered an evil empire. It was big, it was a monopoly of sorts, and it was incredibly difficult to compete against, but it was not seen as evil.

      The difference with Microsoft is not its size or monopoly position, but rather its inane mediocrity. IBM innovated. Microsoft does not. IBM produced quality products, Microsoft produces shoddy products. IBM made computing available to the masses, while Microsoft merely dumbed computing down. We consider Microsoft to be an "evil empire" because it could be so so much better. It's like a Wolfgang Puck selling hotdogs, or a Shakespeare writing Hallmark greeting cards.

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    12. Re:Old Evil Empire by leandrod · · Score: 1
      > I'm old enough to remember twenty years ago very clearly. IBM was *NOT* considered an evil empire.

      I'm old enough too. And I read. IBM not only was considered an evil empire, it was a convicted monopolist and made only proprietary systems. Guess who incubated William Gates III?

      > IBM innovated.

      Not really. All of IBM's "innovations" are actually someone else's, they just managed to make money off it by virtue of their monopoly.

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    13. Re:Old Evil Empire by TooManyNames · · Score: 1

      Why was this moded down? IBM was once at the walking in line with the filth of humanity prior to WWII. In fact, there are some ties between (old) IBM and the Holocaust, none of which present the company or Watson in a good light. For example, look at this article . Though I don't think that the IBM of today would repeat such mistakes, there is precedence for inexcusable business tactics.

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    14. Re:Old Evil Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's this sort of behavior that proves the fact that corporations are inherenty amoral. They're only driving force is profit. There's no reason something like that couldn't happen again. That's why we need outside oversight (the government, the press and public opinion) to keep them in line. Unfortunately, in this age, two out of three of those aren't doing their job.

    15. Re:Old Evil Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AT&T? The worst thing this country ever did was break up Ma Bell. Service has sucked, technology has moved at a snails pace, prices are still exorbinate, and the baby bells still dominate and control the infrastructure. If we had just treated phones like a natural monopoly like we do the post office then perhaps Bell Labs would have done something to improve cell phone quality since it was invented over 30 YEARS ago.

      And if you use any *nix OS then you should bow down and pay homage to Bell Labs for thine is your creator. Add to that lasers and transistors and AT&T can piss on IBM.

    16. Re:Old Evil Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not sure how you can say Microsoft doesn't innovate unless you don't know what the word means. The problem is that Microsoft doesn't invent. The same could be said of IBM historically. As I mentioned above we owe a lot more to Bell Labs (and I will add Xerox and Intel here) than we do to IBM.

    17. Re:Old Evil Empire by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      made only proprietary systems.

      Twenty years ago, everyone made proprietary hardware. Even today it's pretty damned rare to find open hardware.

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    18. Re:Old Evil Empire by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1
      But then again I am sure many slashdotters are smokers and there is no more evil empire then Big Tobacco.

      What's so evil about (so-called) 'Big' Tobacco? People want cigarettes; the cigarette companies make them. What's wrong with that?

      Now, my personal opinion is that Marlboro, Benson & Hedges, Pall Mall & al. produce a rather foul-tasting product, but that's also my opinion of Anheuser-Busch and Coors: apparently a good number of people disagree.

      And why is it always called 'Big' Tobacco anyway? No-one ever calls Kraft Big Pasta, or McDonald's, Burger King & Wendys Big Burgers.

      What's so evil about companies filling a need? Sure, smoke (all smoke, not just from cigarettes) kills--and alcohol's a poison, and caffeine's bad for you, and grease will get your heart in the end. It only hurts the one who ingests it (second-hand smoke being, in every non-biased study, a non-factor).

      I don't smoke cigarettes, myself (partial to a nice pipe, though), but I fail to see any good reason for the venom people spew about the things.

    19. Re:Old Evil Empire by ivaldes3 · · Score: 1

      Unlike you, I'm old enough to remember that IBM did in fact sell some shoddy goods at very high prices. During the late 80's, they would keep on trying to shoehorn a mainframe running MVS in somewhere with their PC deals. There are countless other examples. I have personal experience with MVS and VM machines and it SUCKED compared to its competitors despite costing far more. There are countless other examples of poor quality and high price. IBM was very happy to produce vaporware to stifle its competitors. Not to mention the EBCDIC vs. ASCII lock-in. Those kinds of shenanigans nearly cost IBM its life in the early 1990's. Your painting of IBM as some kind of shining example of innovation and superiority is rose-colored. Having said that, there were some things about the company that were exemplary and I consider it exemplary now. It has changed dramatically since I worked there. -- IV

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    20. Re:Old Evil Empire by crgrace · · Score: 1

      And why is it always called 'Big' Tobacco anyway? No-one ever calls Kraft Big Pasta, or McDonald's, Burger King & Wendys Big Burgers

      The irony here of course is that Kraft is owned by RJ Renyolds... er Altria. The problem with "Big Tobacco" is the lies and complete disregard for human life that is rampant in the industry.

    21. Re:Old Evil Empire by janeil · · Score: 1

      I don't remember them as being thought of as evil at all, they were just ubiquitous, and there was always that quote "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." Maybe they built proprietary systems, but they used an open published architecture that pretty much led to their own fall through the add-on cards and peripherals. IBM is why we (mostly) still have these big ol' ugly boxes for computers instead of a computer built into the keyboard.

    22. Re:Old Evil Empire by leandrod · · Score: 2, Informative
      > everyone made proprietary hardware. Even today it's pretty damned rare to find open hardware.

      Even discounting the fact that SPARC and POWER are far more open than x86 stuff, and that x86 stuff is popular enough to be even easier to work with than IBM proprietary stuff, I was referring to operating systems. It took a government decision to make IBM license MVS, and even so they kept changing hardware specifications to kill third-party hardware plugin vendors. MVS to this day is a dog to work with because it has even its own character set and codification with even a different sorting than ASCII or Unicode.

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    23. Re:Old Evil Empire by leandrod · · Score: 1
      > I don't remember them as being thought of as evil at all

      Where did you live? Boca Raton, or Armonk, NY?

      > always that quote "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM."

      Which tellingly was applied later to M$.

      > they used an open published architecture that pretty much led to their own fall through the add-on cards and peripherals.

      You are thinking the IBM PC, which was never so important. See that only Dell really makes money on PCs nowadays, not even M$ does. The real money is and was on servers.

      > IBM is why we (mostly) still have these big ol' ugly boxes for computers instead of a computer built into the keyboard.

      If you are thinking expansibility, wrong. The Altair, the Apple II and others were expansible much before the IBM PC.

      And if you are thinking inefficiency, wrong again. If it was IBM's choice, we'd be running smaller computers based on the MCA and PowerPC, like first the PS/2 and then the PC Power Series 8[35]0 prototypes. Anyway IBM never had a computer-in-a-keyboard system like the Amiga. Perhaps Amiga could still have such a system now based on the PowerPC, though...

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    24. Re:Old Evil Empire by janeil · · Score: 1
      >Where did you live? Boca Raton, or Armonk, NY?

      No. Probably lived on the same readily-accessible-to-media planet as you.

      >The real money is and was on servers.

      Ah! So the reason M$ is so successful is servers!

      Expandible? Altair? Whaaa?? I just don't remember seeing any "boxen" until the pc clones starting appearing.

      And no, I wasn't thinking expansibility(?) or inefficiency, just clutter of wires and wasted desk or floor space.

    25. Re:Old Evil Empire by leandrod · · Score: 1
      > So the reason M$ is so successful is servers!

      M$ doesn't make that much money. It actually earned a lot in the stock exchange game.

      > I just don't remember seeing any "boxen" until the pc clones starting appearing.

      So you are not qualified.

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    26. Re:Old Evil Empire by janeil · · Score: 1
      So you are not qualified.

      Eh? Qualified? For what?

      The vast majority of computers used are intel based boxes running MS operating systems, and this goes back to the ibm pc. Not macs, or amigas, or atari st's, which when the pc was introduced were arguably more powerful machines. Not terminals or simple workstations either, which most computers probably should be.

      Of course just my opinion, which I am eminently qualified to give.

    27. Re:Old Evil Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't mind addicting young people, 16 year olds in the UK. They sell a product which causes addiction and kills. They push sales to under-educated poor people, all over the world, first world and third world alike. They do all this in order to generate profit. I smoke, and I fucking hate 'Big Tobacco'.

  4. WTF? by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Funny
    Luckily...a few months later, Pearl Harbor happened

    Yes, praise be to $DEITY for that event.

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    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd not have been surprised if IBM already had good intelligence that WWII would involve the US sooner rather than later. Pearl Harbour was a surprise but it hardly came from nowhere.

    2. Re:WTF? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

      Luckily...a few months later, Pearl Harbor happened

      Pfft, the best thing that happened to computing is Python Harbor. Perl Harbor sucks ...

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    3. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's cool, as an American, I'm a big fan of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    4. Re:WTF? by DR+SoB · · Score: 1

      Main Entry: Pearl Harbor Function: noun Etymology: Pearl Harbor, Oahu, Hawaii, American naval station attacked without warning by the Japanese on December 7, 1941 : a sneak attack often with devastating effect "I'm gonna Pearl Harbor your ass" , is actually a correct English sentence.. Crazy man..

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    5. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No probs, as an Al Qaeda operative I'm a bit fan of the 9/11 and the Pariot act.

    6. Re:WTF? by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While that may be grammatically correct, if you tell someone that you're going to "Pearl Harbor" them, the sneakiness of the attack is thus voided, so your sentence is not a semantically correct English sentence.

      Oh, and Perl Harbor was a joke. Perhaps IHBT? Either way, I plan to HAND.

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    7. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweet, as an Israeli I too enjoy good reasons to grind terrorists into pulp.

    8. Re:WTF? by DR+SoB · · Score: 1

      "Oh, and Perl Harbor was a joke. Perhaps IHBT? Either way, I plan to HAND." :O I can't believe you BINDed me to that one. It's a crazy World 2k we live in huh? The PERLs of life.. " "Pearl Harbor" them, the sneakiness of the attack is thus voided, so your sentence is not a semantically correct English sentence." Haha, I never even thought of that.. Maybe if I used it in past-tense?? :)

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    9. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome, as a Palestinian I enjoy blowing you (and me) up.

    10. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bravo! As a Syrian I love to cheer you on.

    11. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, would you look at that, the attack of the 7xx.xxx Slashdot ID clones, trying to be funny/insightful/clever/amusing/interesting/show off /grammar nazis on Slashdot. Guess what? you both suck.

    12. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Wife played pearl harbor on my honeymoon.

      I lay there sleeping on Sunday Morning, she snuck up on me and blew me awake!

  5. here's a spoiler... by Savatte · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is a lot more I could say about the book but because I don't want to spoil anything

    IBM stands for International Business Machines. Ok, I just gave away the ending. sorry.

    1. Re:here's a spoiler... by DR+SoB · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I give the mod a +1 funny for modding that post informative. I thought i was a dumb post, until I saw the score, thanks for the laugh /. mod!

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    2. Re:here's a spoiler... by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you're gonna spoil it, at least do it right. The following is copied from the end of the book:

      Watson stumbled a few feet and finally collapsed onto the ground, his face covered with dirt, freshly moistened by the heavy rain. He was disoriented, but well aware that the cliff's edge was merely inches from him.

      "We are losing our patience, Mr. Watson! The next kick will surely land you on the sharp rocks below. Why do you feel the need to hide the meaning of the name IBM?"

      Watson groaned and looked up. He spat in the man's face.

      "I don't deal with your kind!"

      As Watson ached out this comment, a bolt of lightning came crashing down on the other side of the cliff. In the momentary daylight, Watson recognized his enemy.

      "Darl! I should have known! First you try and steal our IP, then you claim we've stolen your's!"

      Darl chuckled.

      "Have you seen our stock price? Your only salvation lies with us!

      "No. You're not my salvation! You're nothing but litigous bastards!"

      With that insult, Darl signalled for his army of lawyers to take care of Watson once and for all. But as soon as one lawyer took a step forward, Watson pulled out a small blue card from his blue trenchcoat. He raised the card high in the air and then furiously whipped his arm down, sending the card flying towards the lawyer at a seemingly relativistic speed.

      The card was not a standard IBM business card. It was made of metal with sharp edges. The corner penetrated the approaching lawyer's head and sent him flying backwards, the splattering blood mixing with rain drops in the air.

      Watson then began hurling the cards one after another at every lawyer until they all laid on the grown, lifeless. Just they way they should.

      "For RMS! For Linus! For FREEDOM!"

      With those words, Watson hurled his last business card at Darl McBride. Darl's head snapped back with the impact, producing a loud cracking noise eminating from his neck area. Darl took a step backwards and collapsed, the card still sticking part way out of his head. Emblazoned on the blood-soaked blue metal were the letters IBM. Underneath, in a miniscule roman font were the words "International Business Machines."

      Just another day at the office in the life of Mr. Watson.

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    3. Re:here's a spoiler... by Brown+Eggs · · Score: 1

      Oh my god - that was one of the nicest (and funniest) accounts of what really happened. Could have been beefed up even more by an additional lotr line "what can men do against such wreckless hate" :P

    4. Re:here's a spoiler... by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      After getting modded +5, Informative, I'm feeling the need to come clean about the above post. That passage is actually from the abriged Chapter X, a.k.a. the "Ninja Watson" chapter. Since the events described in that chapter haven't transpired yet, IBM felt it was in their best interests to not reveal the intricacies of their current business plan by including that chapter in the current revision of this book.

      Unfortunately, I am unable to delete the parent post and I am now afraid for my life since the ninja-in-training Watson may now be out for my blood.

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    5. Re:here's a spoiler... by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      LOTR, eh? Good thinking. Maybe a reference to the big schpiel [sic] in Independence Day or something would have been nice as well? Maybe Jar-Jar is Darl's long-lost son? How about the revelation that Watson is actually Sub-Zero? And then he has to make a decision about whether his best friend lives... *tearing up*... or DIES.

      And his friend is a talking pie.

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    6. Re:here's a spoiler... by anonicon · · Score: 1

      You know, for a moment there, you got me thinking that UW was this amazing school that teaches its CS people not only how to be competent techies, but also amazing writers. Alas, at least you cited your source, but it was a bit of a letdown. Hope school's going well for you!

    7. Re:here's a spoiler... by swillden · · Score: 2, Funny

      With those words, Watson hurled his last business card at Darl McBride. Darl's head snapped back with the impact, producing a loud cracking noise eminating from his neck area. Darl took a step backwards and collapsed, the card still sticking part way out of his head.

      Great... here comes another SCOX press release about death threats against Darl.

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    8. Re:here's a spoiler... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said anything about that Darl being Darl McBride from SCO? I don't think SCO was even mentioned directly in the excerpt.

  6. What would life have been like by stuffduff · · Score: 1

    What would life have been like if the sign had read "INTUIT"?

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    1. Re:What would life have been like by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      With the name Watson, he could have gone for "PERCEIVE!"

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  7. IBM and geeks by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would a geek care? Because IBM, its technological breakthroughs and Watson are very much the foundation of commercial technology as we know it today.

    A true geek doesn't necessarily care much about IBM. IBM is a lot more relevant to suits. In fact, IBM redefines the concept of "corporate culture" and "standardized outfit". They also embody the culture of centralized computing (or at least used to) and the company used to be seen as a "benevolent dictator", with its policy of renting computers instead of selling them.

    All these things are quite opposite to the world of geeks. Of course, curious and open-minded geeks read about everything, and therefore should read this book as well.

    --
    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    1. Re:IBM and geeks by Your_Mom · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes and No. Yes, IBM has a very strict culture inside of it, (which may have changed since the early 1990s, when salesment started wearing *gasp* polo shirts to conventions, when previously they /always/ wore suits), but for geeks who are put into management positions, IBM management sk1llz rock and can teach you a lot. Watson was a hard *ss but he actually cared about what happened in his plants and with his salesmen, whatever their position in his company. A lot of their policies and be adapted to team leadership skills. So while a lot of people see IBM as a stuffy suit organization (which I will not disagree with) there are a lot of good things that can be learned from them.

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      Objects in the blog are closer then they ap
    2. Re:IBM and geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Get with the 21st century - IBM is *not* your father's company any more. Was it big and crufty in the past? Sure. Are there still crufty parts? Sure. But there are cool parts.

      For example, did you know that the Playstation 3, X-Box 2, and Gamecube 2 are all going to be based on IBM chipsets?

    3. Re:IBM and geeks by daviddennis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IBM is also making substantial contributions to Linux, and defending it against the bizarre SCO assault. They're a pretty useful lesson now in how to change with the times.

      They're spending quite a bit of money doing the right thing, and they should be applauded for it.

      D

    4. Re:IBM and geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A true "geek" should care about history and IBM is
      and was important to computer history

    5. Re:IBM and geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not quite sure why people continue to see IBM as a company of suits. But I'll let you in on a little secret. I'm sitting here in my office at IBM wearing sneakers, jeans and a (gasp) t-shirt.

    6. Re:IBM and geeks by Tweakmeister · · Score: 1

      Could it be that the suits he always wore were simply "efficiency" in his eyes? Maybe he's more geek than you think.

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      Colossians 2:8

    7. Re:IBM and geeks by jstoner · · Score: 2, Informative

      I worked at IBM from 1989 to 1994, in the mainframe OS development area, in Poughkeepsie and Kingston, NY. In that time, my area went from a shirt-and-tie environment for everyone to an place where my boss's boss would wear jeans.

      IBM was not homogenous in that respect. Our offices were in a diverse area, near manufacturing, final roll-out facilities (a room bigger than a football field, filled with mainframes running test suites--very cool), and an executive suite, and there were many and varied cultures.

      IBM was always most disciplined about its public face. As a place to work, it was bureaucratic, but full of geeky challenge. I like more creative opportunity in my work, but I have less now than I did then.

      It wasn't a bad place to be a geek. One of our favorite games was to imagine how much damage you could do with malicious code. I worked with a guy who managed the security setup piece after a user logged in, and we always joked about putting various backdoors in. I had a friend who worked with a power supply system, which regulated cooling, power, in the bipolar chips. He could have brought down every mainframe in the world of a particular model at some preset time. Whole lot of molten silicon.

      Sounds like geeks to me.

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      'In knowledge is power, in wisdom humility.'
    8. Re:IBM and geeks by anactofgod · · Score: 1

      Wow. Care to leave the 1980s and come join the rest of us in the 21st century? The IBM you described is nothing like the IBM of today. How this post warranted a "+5, Insightful" is beyond me, since it's clear to me, at least, that you know nothing about what you speak.

      A "true geek" would want to wander thru IBM's research labs, looking behind all the doors, reading what is on the whiteboards, and talking to Senior Scientists. A "true geek" would recognize that much of what stirs his geek-beating heart arose in a lab somewhere on an IBM campus.

      A "fake geek" posts slashdot comments full of quivications ("...doesn't necessarily...") and backpeddling (..."or at least used to..."), and factoids that are 10+ years out of date ("...renting computers instead of selling them..."), and serves that steaming pile as information.

      I actually feel dumber for having read your post.

      ---anactofgod---

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      ---anactofgod---

      "Equal opportunity swindling - *that* is the true test of a sustainable democracy."
    9. Re:IBM and geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're spending quite a bit of money doing the right thing

      I disagree, they are not spending the money to do the right thing. They are spending the money because running Linux on their machines is cheeper and easier than trying to build their own OS or Buy one from someone else. They are doing the right business thing.

      In the end IBM is out to make money just like every other corporation, and that is what they should be out doing. In this situation however I do agree that the ends of making money and the ends of "doing the right thing" happen to coincide.

      At some point in the future IBM will drop our beloved Linux for the next thing that makes business sense. When that happens we will find another champion and there will be another devil. That is the way the market economy works. If in that time MSFT were to come around and work with open standards we should suport them as we revile them now. Everything is just a cycle.

    10. Re:IBM and geeks by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      In a narrow sense, this is of course true, but I don't think it pays to be that negative.

      If we show appreciation to them for doing the right thing, they may well keep on doing it. I buy IBM server hardware explicitly because they support Linux development.

      The great thing about capitalism is that we can help out companies friendly to us by buying their products, and we can hurt those who are not our friends by not buying theirs.

      Easier to have a champion who wants to keep being one than to find another.

      D

  8. great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now my whole frontpage is italicized.

    does this book also teach one html 3.0? specifically the usage of the /i> tag?

  9. Obligatory IBM Nazi Connection References by so+sue+mee · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Re:Obligatory IBM Nazi Connection References by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's that, which immediately came to mind when reading the Pearl Harbor reference.

      And there's this quote:

      "The blue suits and white shirts that were the uniform of IBM men became so because he wore one every day. There was no written rule that employees had to wear them; they did it because he did it."

      Actually, IBM had a policy manual that specified exactly what their people had to wear, down to the garters on their socks. This book included IBM corporate songs they had to memorize, not unlike a Japanese company.

      He may have been admired, but the reason IBM is successful today has a lot to do with rejecting Tom Watson't culture.

    2. Re:Obligatory IBM Nazi Connection References by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 2, Informative

      For what it is worth, my father tells me there was no corporate culture of anti-semitism at IBM when he went there in the late fifties. He advanced rapidly and never encountered prejudice from the younger Tom Watson or any of his superiors. This was the exception rather than the rule in corporate America at that time. By contrast a large (now mega) financial institution whose offer he had previously accepted actually called to un-hire him after they discovered he was a Jew. He wasn't phased because he had his sights set on Big Blue anyway. In his opinion, IBM was the best of corporate America, and that was where he wanted to be.

      He worked on Mercury, Gemini and some military programs (including triple redundant proto-mini-computers for B52s) while he was there. Although he loved the company, he left in 1966 to form a startup selling prepackaged accounting software to financial institutions. AFAIK his company was the first to sell software as a commodity rather than a service.

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      It is cowardly, and a betrayal of whatever it means to be a Jew, to act as a white man

      -James Baldwin
  10. Re:First Litigous Bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Check the links in your post before submitting! This one is not working!

  11. Meanwhile, in the land of racism... by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From there, what one would expect to be a stuffy, boring book about a dead white man turns out to be an interesting and inspiring account

    Because heaven knows one could never have an interesting book about a "dead white man".

    --
    All employees must wash hands before seeking equitable relief.
    1. Re:Meanwhile, in the land of racism... by paranerd · · Score: 1

      This racism is nauseating. Timothy, you should be ashamed.

    2. Re:Meanwhile, in the land of racism... by back_pages · · Score: 1
      Sorry, I vote against racism in this situation.

      I'm white, against affirmative action, aware of the double standard applied to appreciating white culture and so forth, but that doesn't mean that every negative reference to a white person is racism, even if it points out the person's race.

      A stuffy, boring book about a dead black man would be different in context and motif from the same book about a dead white man. The dialogue, colloqialisms, humor, attitude, and statement about the world would be different. It could be argued that it's even a different genre. In my opinion, saying that this book could have been about a "dead white man" is similar to saying that it could have been a boring book about Swedish ancestry. The fact that it might have been boring and about a white guy doesn't make it racist.

      Now, if the author of the review had driven the point home a little more, then perhaps there's merit to the claim of racism. As it stands, I don't agree. But that's just my opinion.

  12. If you like this... by Your_Mom · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... you might want to read Father Son and Company by Tom Watson Jr., who took over IBM after his father. Great book, managers could learn a thing or fifteen from Father and Son alike.

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    Objects in the blog are closer then they ap
  13. Why mention dead White man? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I get the impression White is included because it supports being boring.

    I fail to see how the White race is somehow inherently boring. If you consider conquering 80% of the planet and creating the greatest technological creations the human race has ever seen boring. I guess living in corrugated metal shacks in mexico, india, africa and china is exciting.

    Poor boring dead White man, never knew what he was missing.

    1. Re:Why mention dead White man? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      feeling a little defensive today?

    2. Re:Why mention dead White man? by mariox19 · · Score: 1

      It's just moronic fun to gang up on the white man. Really!

      It all started under the auspices of "intellectualism," with the whole post modernist movement; but the snideness has filtered down to the unwashed masses.

      Certainly more boring than any "dead white man" are people who espouse the mentality described above.

      I'm willing to grant the author of the review the benefit of the doubt and assume he thought he was being funny. But, it's not funny -- thank you just the same for the review.

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      quiquid id est, timeo puellas et oscula dantes.

  14. What an asshole by stratjakt · · Score: 1, Interesting

    To encourage employees to think he had big "THINK" signs put all over the company

    Dont forget, you're here forever!

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    I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  15. Ultimate international business machine by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Funny

    Luckily (for Watson), a few months later, Pearl Harbor happened and, with the sharp increase in troops, materials and logistics, the U.S. government needed "calculating machines" and needed them fast.

    Don't forget that IBM also manufactured .30 cal M1 Carbines during WW2... the ultimate in international business machines (and relations).

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    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
    1. Re:Ultimate international business machine by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that IBM supplied the machines and punch cards to process Nazi prisoners. Truly technology at it's worst.

      Pan

      --
      I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
    2. Re:Ultimate international business machine by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Yes, and if it wasnt for the mass-murder of the Jews, we probably wouldnt have intervened in the European problems.

      We wouldnt be at this time if it wasnt for WW2 and the ills it brought..

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    3. Re:Ultimate international business machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, and if it wasnt for the mass-murder of the Jews, we probably wouldnt have intervened in the European problems.

      That is not remotely true, in the slightest.

    4. Re:Ultimate international business machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. The US didn't give a rats behind about the Jews. We even turned back a refugee boat. We were totally isolationist, and in fact had numerious business ties to Germany in the chemical field. The Japanese got us involved to the total dismay of the Axis powers. Germany figured they had europe and the Med. basin done, and the war was going to be on the eastern front only. If they hadn't repeated some of Napleon's mistakes, and stuck with their deal with Stalin, the EU might look a bit differnt today.

    5. Re:Ultimate international business machine by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, no.

      Germany declared war on the United States on December 11, 1941. The Wannsee conference, where the Nazis decided on the genocide of the Jews, was on Jan 20, 1942.

    6. Re:Ultimate international business machine by abolith · · Score: 1
      Not. no one even knew about "The final solution" until we started finding camps in late 1944 - early 1945.

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      if you want "No More Hiroshimas" then I say "You First. No More Pearl Harbors."
    7. Re:Ultimate international business machine by conway · · Score: 1

      Bullshit!
      Everyone knew. There were delgations of Jewish leaders to FDR to urge him to bomb Aushwitz, and other death camps.
      During the war, refugees were not allowed into the country. Boats were turned back.
      Here's a link that comes up first in a slew of google hits on the subject.

    8. Re:Ultimate international business machine by voodoo1man · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean there were no news articles, radio broadcasts or even eye-witness accounts before 1944? Not even movies? I guess Charlie Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" must have been about some other Jew-hating megalomaniac...

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      In the great CONS chain of life, you can either be the CAR or be in the CDR.

  16. IBM (well, Dehomag) and the Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Another interesting read here is 'IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation' by Edwin Black. The title says it all, sort of.

    1. Re:IBM (well, Dehomag) and the Holocaust by JanMark · · Score: 1

      The title does not begin to do justice to the support that IBM gave to the Nazis. If it were not for the millions illegale imported punch-cards, the Nazis would not have had "those lists" of who was 1/2, 1/4, up to 1/16th "jude". Trains would not have run on time, saving many, many allied lives. The Nazi whole war machine ran on IBM machines! And the way Watson used his connections to the president, to have his own army branches (litterly) going to Europe to protect the interrests of IBM. Makes me want to p**k. Read that book and tell me again you are a fan of IBMs!
      Hitler him self rewarded Watson with the highest meddal Germany had, in fact he had one created for Watson! You know that number tatoed on the arms of each KZ prisoners? That is the number of the IBM card corresponding with that person, holding personal information. IBM knew about their usage, hell they serviced IBM computers in KZs all over Germany, Poland, etc. *Read that book!*

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    2. Re:IBM (well, Dehomag) and the Holocaust by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      Makes me want to p**k

      I am having an impossible time figuring out what new, exciting curse you censored here. Give a brother a hand, will you?

      Also, relax. That was 60 freaking years ago. I don't think that IBM assists anyone in processing jews anymore.

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      Slashdot - where whining about luck is the new way to make the world you want.
    3. Re:IBM (well, Dehomag) and the Holocaust by Omicron · · Score: 1

      Actually, while they may have done it 60 years ago, they are still attempting to cover up the act today instead of being open and honest about it. There is a whole chapter in the paperback edition on the lengths that IBM went to to prevent some of the info from getting out.

    4. Re:IBM (well, Dehomag) and the Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am glad taht someone mentioned this... I wonder if the book glorifying Watson has any mention of the links to the Third Reich anywhere... somehow I doubt it...

    5. Re:IBM (well, Dehomag) and the Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had a company that profited from something as unsavory as this, would you openly allow access to that information or would you try to bury it with tons of red tape, document destruction, etc?

      If you're giving away stuff done before you're tenure as CEO which can only damage your company's image, future contracts, AND open you to reparation type lawsuits and damages, you're far to big of a fool to run a company. It would be like going out of your way to describe a felony you performed in detail during a job interview, before you're potential employer even thinks you might have a checkered background.

      Thank goodness IBM did try to do damage control, otherwise we would be flooded with surreal Dilbert-esque examples of just how dumb corporations can become.

  17. A Shame, Really by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's a shame, really that such a company became known for arrogant sales people. We turned down a system 390 because the sales people, rather than answering out questions, elected to respond in a "You're such stupid people, just hurry up and buy our machine" way. A few years later came the massive house-cleaning (which was overdue) when I was trying to arrange the purchase of an RS/6000 (where I was talking to a different salesman every week, whom had inherited all accounts from the privious victim)

    Then there was the round-the-world tech support, which is so reminisent of today's outsource-to-India trend.

    I like what I read about IBM these days, but haven't been in a position to buy from them lately, so don't have much current knowlege.

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:A Shame, Really by DR+SoB · · Score: 1

      So what exactly did you buy instead of s/390, a Unix box from HP? Most people who look into a s/390 have some idea what they are getting into you know (like having to hire an additional 5-20 extra staff members just to run the thing.). And your "house-cleaning" meant buying a 6000? Wow! To replace a bunch of Windows boxes, right??

      --
      Mod +5 Drunk
    2. Re:A Shame, Really by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      So what exactly did you buy instead of s/390, a Unix box from HP? Most people who look into a s/390 have some idea what they are getting into you know (like having to hire an additional 5-20 extra staff members just to run the thing.).

      We were, at the time running two systems, a DEC PDP-11 and an IBM 360/40 and were looking to consolidate operations on one system.

      And your "house-cleaning" meant buying a 6000? Wow! To replace a bunch of Windows boxes, right??

      IBM's house cleaning. I was just trying to pick up a cheesey little RS/6000 to host some stand-alone (sort of) application. After some of the huge defense cutbacks, years ago, many computer companies cut back or died. Pr1me is long gone, so is DEC. Burroughs (known for lawsuits) and Sperry merged to become Unisys. IBM shed people in the tens of thousands.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    3. Re:A Shame, Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like Cisco. Or about any hardware company for that matter. I've been an SE (presales engineer) before and its about a 70 hour a week job with about 68 hours dealing with assholes (both customers, and accont executives in your company). I will never ever go back to that life even though it payed really good. The companies are set up to make the SE positions and the salesman positions compete against each other. Every monday at 8:00AM is a conference call abot numbers and responsibilities in which jobs are lightly threatened every week.

      Fuck that malarchy. Those people are there on Sundays from 9:00 to 4:00 with their kids running around while they "catch up".

      Never, ever again.

    4. Re:A Shame, Really by DR+SoB · · Score: 1

      Check out the new z990 T-Rex machine, it's an amazing piece.. Hard to imagine your running a 360! :D Your right, it's to time upgrade!

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      Mod +5 Drunk
    5. Re:A Shame, Really by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Check out the new z990 T-Rex machine, it's an amazing piece.. Hard to imagine your running a 360! :D Your right, it's to time upgrade!

      Oh, no kidding. This was over a decade ago we were looking. We opted for Pr1me, then after Pr1me went belly up we moved back to DEC with a couple Alpha Servers (geez they were fast!) For all I know they're still running Alpha's, but will likely shift to a Linux box, if they're smart. I left years ago and now push keys on a laptop and connect to some Unisys (NT) server which is overdue for replacement.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  18. IBM And The Holocaust by object88 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For another take on the origins of IBM, read IBM And The Holocaust by Edwin Black. While I think it's true that any company could have been in IBM's place in WWII, I don't think we should ignore the fact that IBM played both sides.

    1. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 1

      Thanks for mentioning that. It was the first thing I thought of when they mentioned Watson.

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      What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey

    2. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by zulux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think we should ignore the fact that IBM played both sides.

      GPL'ed software doesen't play sides:

      GPG is available to me, as well as rat-bastard terrorist types.

      In additon, it's increasingly coming out that American businesses that were engaged with the Nazi's were great fronts for American espionage. Don't be so quick to jusge IBM - ther'es a lot more than meets the eye.

      I learned this from the Swiss: The Swiss wer'e not nearly so neutral as they'd like you to beleive during WWII - their "neutrality" gave them a lot of room to really fsck over the Nazi's as bet they could without getting caught.

      --

      Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.

    3. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah and Linus is a Finn and we know what side they fought on don't we? Further he is a Swedish Finn. The neutral Swedes had no compunction about selling iron ore to the Nazis and ball bearings to the Brits. And hey let's talk about Henry Ford making trucks for the Nazis using slave labour. Don't forget the the French trucking off jews to the gas chamber. Occupation didn't quash their fascism did it? Yeah and the Dutch, Norwegian and Danish SS volunteers, bastards. Mosley and the boys marching in Hyde park - all good loyal Brits. And the Irish Fucking Republic re-fuelling/re-fitting german submarines.

      Bastards are everywhere. Even in America.

    4. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      The nearly-unhindered ability for American corporations to play both sides of any conflict is the single defining fact that has allowed the United States to become the dominant world power it is today.

      I suppose the vulgarity of corporate dehumanization isn't solely the property of the US, but they damn well perfected it. :)

    5. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by SuperBusTerror · · Score: 0

      I read more than half of IBM and the Holocaust, and was very much impressed with the wealth of detail and context it provided. It is truly an impressive work of historical investigation, starts at the very beginning with Watson, and does not delve too much into impassioned villianizing of IBM. I sincerely recommend it for anyone interested in the history of IBM.

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      -- Aaron
    6. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Swiss wer'e not nearly so neutral as they'd like you to beleive during WWII - their "neutrality" gave them a lot of room to really fsck over the Nazi's as bet they could without getting caught.

      And collect the gold of exterminated Jews in the process.

    7. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      The nearly-unhindered ability for American corporations to play both sides of any conflict is the single defining fact that has allowed the United States to become the dominant world power it is today.

      And the Communists used to say that the capitalists would "sell us the rope to hang them".

      So they did. And got rich. While the communists' economies collapsed and they eventually hung THEMselves.

      Amazing how that works.

      --
      Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
    8. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because every so-called communist government has in practice been an Oligarchy. Contrary to American knee-jerk anti-communist propaganda there are no commies and never will be.

    9. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exterminated and then cremated in ovens specially designed and built for that exclusive purpose ... by the Swiss.

    10. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by yosemite · · Score: 1
      Here is an interesting Village Voice review of the Edwin Black book.


      Recently discovered Nazi documents and Polish eyewitness testimony make clear that IBM's alliance with the Third Reich went far beyond its German subsidiary. A key factor in the Holocaust in Poland was IBM technology provided directly through a special wartime Polish subsidiary reporting to IBM New York, mainly to its headquarters at 590 Madison Avenue.

      And that's how the trains to Auschwitz ran on time.

      A lot of american companies had relationships with the nazis. But it is rather startling, the level of logistical support that IBM provided. I guess the argument could be made that computers don't kill people, Nazi madmen kill people. Though any help given to the Nazis is really impossible to defend.

    11. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I read more than half of IBM and the Holocaust


      Congratulations! Now you have less than half to go! Why didn't you read both halves of it if you were so impressed?

    12. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      While I think it's true that any company could have been in IBM's place in WWII, I don't think we should ignore the fact that IBM played both sides.

      I read the book (err, listened to it on tape) and was fascinated. But one question remains.

      If this is the case, has IBM had its pants sued for participating in the holocaust?

    13. Re:IBM And The Holocaust by xyote · · Score: 1
      Here is an interesting Village Voice review of the Edwin Black book.


      Edwin Black even reviews his own book. What a talented guy.

  19. nice editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    yeah take out the two words that makes your comment rediculous and stupid. the real quote reads:

    "Luckily (for Watson), a few months later, Pearl Harbor happened..."

    now its not anti american, its just cashing in on the american love of war. which anyone who is anyone is doing these days.

    also you'll note i know how to close my italics tags.

    1. Re:nice editing by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was something of a joke. Luckily it was modded as Funny and not Insightful =)

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  20. What is he from Ork? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Thomas John Watson began his life at age 40"

    In a log cabin that he built with his own hands?

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    "Derp de derp."
    1. Re:What is he from Ork? by Araneas · · Score: 1
      Quite possibly.

      At 40 you get to look back at all the stupid shit you did in your 20's and the stuff you didn't do in your 30's because you were trying to "succeed". Forty is like being twenty again but with the experience to do it right.

      Now, where's my damn Ferarri and brace o' blonde bimbos?

    2. Re:What is he from Ork? by Dr.+Smeegee · · Score: 1

      Holy, holy crap. I don't know whether I am hating you for reminding me that Orkans age backward or hating myself for having the memory to be reminded of. All and all a very yucky experience. Shazbat!

  21. Re:XBox rules!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you've just given a very bad name to every american who owns an xbox. i feel shame and am going to throw mine out as i don't want to be seen as ignorant as that.

  22. timeslip by lpaul55 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Luckily (for Watson), a few months later, Pearl Harbor happened ..."

    Wrong! Long before that, FDR's New Deal and the new Social Security Administration were the source of IBM's turnaround during the depression.

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    ... now back to the bit mines.
  23. Best Watson quote.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Think!

    and

    We forgive thoughtful mistakes.

    They used to chant these at assemblies....

    1. Re:Best Watson quote.... by TimeZone · · Score: 1

      What about "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers"?
      TZ

  24. Re:Favorite Watson quote by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Need, sure. Hell, worldwide we only needed 0.

    The world worked just fine for thousands of years without 'em.

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  25. My Review... by chmod_localhost · · Score: 3, Informative

    OK, so I admit that absolutely nothing about this book drew my attention EXCEPT the name of the author, Kevin Maney. Any devotee of his columns in USA Today knows his ability to tell a story. Yes, I knew I should be intrested in the life of Tom Watson -- he was, after all, one of the first "celebrity CEOs," although the term hadn't been invented. But I never thought I would be so fascinated by a man and his story.

    This is a must read for anyone who wants to get a sense of what real leadership is all about. Watson was leading before there were books on leadership and studies on communictation. He was managing corporate culture before there were words for it. He saw his company -- and his employees -- through transitions that go well beyond mainframe vs. PC. When his technologies were rendered obsolete, he simply invented new ones.

    Anyone with aspirations to lead should read this book. It's so action-packed that you may forget it's a true story. But it is. And I can't wait to see the movie.

  26. NO OH MY GOD NO THIS IS NOT FUNNY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is wrong with you people??? They must be outsourcing moderators now.

  27. Why else a geek would care by dmorin · · Score: 4, Funny

    When this comes out on audio book if somebody could go ahead and rip it for me then blog an announcement someplace so I can go pull it down onto my iPod, then I'll care. I tried reading a dead tree while driving to work one morning, damn near killed myself. Spilled my coffee in my lap and everything, had to tell my wife I'd call her back.

  28. Yawn! by bgardella · · Score: 4, Funny

    My dad would love this book. Which is why I'll never read it.

    --b

    1. Re:Yawn! by DR+SoB · · Score: 5, Funny

      Guess your never gonna have sex either then huh? Bet'cha ur pop's loved it!

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    2. Re:Yawn! by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 0

      Yup, I surely did like givin' it to his maw

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  29. World War II didn't rescue IBM... by sotweed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the reviewer got his facts a bit screwed up. The thing that saved IBM, after the depression started and it continued manufacturing, was the start of the Social Security System (I think in 1933; 1941 would have been a long time to wait...).

    The WW II connection is that IBM turned over its manufacturing plants to the government to make war materiel at a 1% profit. Carbines, gun sights, small cannons, other things, were all made in IBM's plants in Poughkeepsie, Endicott, and elsehwere.

  30. Is it that much better outside of Dayton? by no+longer+myself · · Score: 3, Funny
    after Dayton, Ohio, nearly ruined him.

    I live in Dayton. I never thought of it as a particularly difficult place to live. Perhaps if I move, I can take over the world and you can all bow down and worship me.

    But don't rush out to buy my septer and throne just yet... I'm kinda stuck with having a negative equity mortgage, so the escape velocity to overcome the sucking power of Dayton is a little out of my reach at the moment. ;-)

    1. Re:Is it that much better outside of Dayton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got my sympathies. While you guys host a great air show in the summer, I sure would hate to be forced to live there.

    2. Re:Is it that much better outside of Dayton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i used to live in dayton. now i live in pittsburgh. it's just like dayton, only bigger and has more hills...

    3. Re:Is it that much better outside of Dayton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have rented. Scepter not septer.

      Perhaps if you were smarter ...

    4. Re:Is it that much better outside of Dayton? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      so the escape velocity to overcome the sucking power of Dayton

      I was wondering. The two times I flew down there, the Scare Ontario return flight broke down and I had to escape back to Toronto via Pittsburgh.

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    5. Re:Is it that much better outside of Dayton? by SleeknStealthy · · Score: 1

      Dayton is what made Watson. It is one of the most innovative cities and spawned much of the technology that we had in this world. His ability to risk everything just for an idea is a Dayton trait, which has brought flight, electric starters, pop tabs, and thousands of other inventions that contribute to our modern day society. He may have not become a successful buisness person in Dayton, but the attitude very much shaped his personality.

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  31. Most of us wern't even born back then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So IBM doesn't seem evil to us.

  32. Gratuitous puns by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

    Intu what?

    I don't want to go intuit right now.

    Is that anything like a round tuit?

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    1. Re:Gratuitous puns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>Is that anything like a round tuit?

      It's more like a uit but expressed only in whole numbers.

  33. close italic tags by tsmccaff · · Score: 1

    Close the italics in the review please.

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  34. IBM's people and management are dinosaurs . . . by StyleChief · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is unfortunate that Mr. Watson's views, perspectives, and ideals will be lost forever if the company continues on its current path of behavior. The company is not operated as it once was during the thriving 50's, 60's and 70's. Some portions of the company *are* innovative and forward looking, but much of the company is reigned by dinosaurs that prefer politics to innovation and change. Working here sounds like a wonderful opportunity, but it is not an opportunity, it is merely a job. We are pushing for new innovation, for example, for help systems on the web to be based on the Eclipse platform and XML. We are told by the dinosaurs that HTML 4.0 is good enough, and that we don't really understand that XML stuff anyways.
    They wonder why the attrition rate is so high among the younger crowd.
    My two cents: look for a younger company with younger management with open minds.

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    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! -M. Python
    1. Re:IBM's people and management are dinosaurs . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Subtle is the flame bait. Ah yes.

      HTML 4.0 _IS_ good enough. People who
      call 'Eclipse' and XML 'platforms' are
      funny.

      Thanks for the laugh.

    2. Re:IBM's people and management are dinosaurs . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, eclipse is a platform of sorts.... Not sure exactly how well it would work as a help system on the web, but what the fuck, right?

  35. Re:213 Skippy's not allowed to do in the US Army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oops!

    Should read 213 things Skippy's not allowed to do in the US Army

    My bad.

  36. Computer Architecture by Detritus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While a "true geek" may not care about the history of IBM management, there are many interesting things that have been produced by IBM's scientists and engineers. Many of the neat features in today's microprocessors can be seen in IBM 360/370 series mainframes from the 1960s and 1970s. Today's microprocessors have yet to catch up with the reliability, availability and maintenance features of IBM's large systems. Anyone who is interested in computer architecture can learn a lot from studying the technical history of IBM.

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    1. Re:Computer Architecture by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      Today's microprocessors have yet to catch up with the reliability, availability and maintenance features of IBM's large systems.

      That is, to some degree, an apples-to-oranges comparison, as you're comparing microprocessors to complete computer systems.

      I can think of one microprocessor that, by definition, is used in systems "with the reliability, availability, and maintenance features of IBM's large systems", as it's the microprocessor used in the CPUs of those systems.

      Now, it might be that the z900 microprocessor has RAS features not present in commodity microprocessors; for example, the article on RAS design for the z900 says that

      The on-chip Level 1 (L1) cache can survive an array failure by purging and deleting the cache line or compartment. The L1 cache "fuse" relocation technology allows the defective cache line to be relocated (L1 cache-line sparing) at the next FPOR.

      I don't know offhand whether any other microprocessors support anything such as that - a Google search for "cache-line sparing" found a few hits, but they're all about System/390 or System/3100^Wz/Architecture. If somebody feels ambitious, they could look at recent server x86/SPARC/IA-64/Power-family/PA-RISC/etc. chips and see if they have anything like that.

  37. Dayton Ohio, party town? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
    'Thomas John Watson began his life at age 40, after Dayton, Ohio, nearly ruined him.'

    I know the article didn't want to give away any spoilers, but I'm curious how Dayton nearly ruined him. I've been there a couple times. Seems like a nice place, probably a few wretched hives of scum and villany around but I didn't have time to find them, darn it.

    So what was it? Did a woman do him wrong?

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    1. Re:Dayton Ohio, party town? by gerf · · Score: 1

      Interestingly i just took a History class at the U of Dayton last semester, and we talked about this a bit. I believe that he pretty much got screwed out of a job at NCR (National Cash Register), where he'd been working a long time and had gotten a lotta patents for. This is just offhand memory though, so don't quote me on anything.

      Dayton used to be awesome for development of stuff... from the airplane, to tetraethyl lead, freon, GM's reasearch labs, all kinds of stuff. Now it's just boring.

    2. Re:Dayton Ohio, party town? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the Dayton Hamfest!

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    3. Re:Dayton Ohio, party town? by leandrod · · Score: 1
      > i just took a History class at the U of Dayton last semester, and we talked about this a bit. I believe that he pretty much got screwed out of a job at NCR (National Cash Register)

      Check Big Blue, AFAIR he served time in jail for criminal monopoly creation and maintenance at NCR.

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  38. evils of the past by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If in 10 years Microsoft does a turn around and starts supporting Linux will we all forget the evils of the past?

    If Microsoft did a turnaround and started supporting Linux, becoming part of the solution rather than the 800 pound gorilla of a problem then you're damned right I'd do business with them. You're a fool if you refuse to do business with a company because of what it did 20 years ago, provided that company has changed.

    1. Re:evils of the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a big difference between doing business with and worshipping. I do business with Microsoft now. It is necessary for me to make money. But it is insane how some people hold IBM up to be this great savior.

  39. I think you're missing a by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

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  40. Important paragraph by cubicledrone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Especially engrossing is the episode during the depression when IBM was in danger of bankruptcy and shutting its doors. Watson, contrary to what most intelligent people would do, gave a rousing talk to his top executives, telling them that instead of cutting back on manufacturing and personnel, they should increase both.

    Interesting. Even more interesting is this quote:

    "No matter what the provocation, I never fire a man who is honestly trying to deliver a job. Few workers who become established at the Disney Studio ever leave voluntarily or otherwise, and many have been on the payroll all their working lives."

    Guess who? Walt Disney.

    These men built two of the most enduring companies in history, and neither of them endorsed mass layoffs. Coincidence? Guess not.

    Will current middle management learn from this? Probably not. They're too "sophisticated" for that.

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    1. Re:Important paragraph by cubicledrone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's another off-topic but entertaining quote from Walt Disney:

      You see, we never do the same thing twice around here. We're always opening up new doors.

      I wonder what he would think of Lion King 1 1/2?

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    2. Re:Important paragraph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disney did hire the Mafia to thwart attempts by his employees to unionize.

  41. Other T.J. Watson biographies by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    There are several other biographies of T. J. Watson Sr. The "official biography" is "The Lengthening Shadow" (1962). It's terrible. The "unofficial biography" is "Think, the Biography of the Watsons and IBM" (1969). That's quite good. Both were written while many people who knew Watson could still be interviewed.

    Watson was a salesman, and was at one point NCR's top salesman, working for Patterson, the head of National Cash Register. The whole Patterson/NCR story is worth understanding. NCR's entire top management was convicted of criminal antitrust violations. Their tactics make Microsoft look like small timers. NCR built defective duplicates of competing cash registers and sold them to make the competition look bad. Their sales reps were instructed on how to sabotage competing cash registers.

  42. Unredeemable Companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What's the alternative? Draw up a big list of "evil" companies who can never be redeemed for the sins of their past, and then hunker down and hate them for the rest of our lives?

    I can certainly think of one company to have a permanent place at the top of such list.

    1. Re:Unredeemable Companies by madmancarman · · Score: 5, Funny
      I can certainly think of one company to have a permanent place at the top of such list.

      This is SCO we're talking about - does anyone here really expect them to be around in 20 years?

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    2. Re:Unredeemable Companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> does anyone here really expect them to be around in 20 years?

      Well, there's a graveyard some seven kilometers from here... is this close enough?

  43. Old-school review process by paiute · · Score: 1

    The younger Watson dutifully answered, seeking to impress his father with his skill at observing people. The elder paused and then berated the young man for daring to form an opinion about a seasoned executive who had years of experience behind him. Who did the young man think he was to judge someone who had been in the business since before he was born?

    Fuck that 360 degree review process.

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  44. Re:Oooh! And don't forget the Nazis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    link from parent

    yes that picture is pretty damning, it was taken in 1937 though. Its kind of like someone being taken with bush now. if by some strange turn of events he starts up more concentration camps or something in the future that is. I rememebr reading somewhere that alot of people in the good ole USA were against going to war with germany until pearl harbour. I seem to remember that the mjority of americans had no problem with him being "cruel" to the jews. Anti semitisim was rampent at that time.

  45. Watson, a Captain of Enterprise by Clod9 · · Score: 1

    A book by Arther Tedlow, Captains of Enterprise talks about Watson and several other business titans of the 20th century. According to Tedlow, the senior Watson was quite sharklike. As an NCR salesman early in his career, he could walk into a store, modify the cash register to make it malfunction, and then "demonstrate" to the proprietor how his own company's product was better. Big Blue didn't get its reputation for ruthless business practices for nothing.

    IBM's public persona has changed a lot over the last few decades, several times. My mother said it was a great place to work in the 50's, because they valued smart people. I wonder what it's like to work there now.

    1. Re:Watson, a Captain of Enterprise by HardCase · · Score: 1
      A book by Arther Tedlow, Captains of Enterprise


      Sheesh, after Kirk, Picard, Garrett from that alternate universe/time travel TNG episode and Archer, I'd have thought that we'd had enough of them. But no, now we have Captain Watson. Enough already!

    2. Re:Watson, a Captain of Enterprise by Bustedpc · · Score: 1

      for another take on IBM, I'd recommend "bigger blue" it was written in the mid 70's by the lead Lawyer of the anti-trust team . It shows how to create a monopoly by any means nessary.. IBM may have worked out how to do it, But Micro$haft perfected it to an artform ... /Bustedpc - My karma ran over your dogma

  46. Re:Old Evil Empire - Mac users too? by CdBee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't take a long memory to recall the days when Apple went head-to-head with IBM for the desktop marketplace.

    Just 20 years after the Superbowl ad where Big Blue was smashed by the Apple girl, the top-of-the-line PowerMac G5 sports an IBM-manufactured 64-bit processor.

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  47. Not just IBM. Also Rockola, GM, ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The WW II connection is that IBM turned over its manufacturing plants to the government to make war materiel at a 1% profit. Carbines, gun sights, small cannons, other things, were all made in IBM's plants in Poughkeepsie, Endicott, and elsehwere.

    Not just IBM, either. You'll find M1s made by fGM and Rockola, as well.

    Mechanical computers (which is what much of the mechanism of a gun, distributor, carburator, or jukebox of the era actually is), and the products that make them, are also very flexible - even if the actual products aren't easily field-reprogrammable.

    GM, for instance, made M1s at Saginaw Steering Gear. (Seems the machine for drilling a hole down the center of the steering shaft for the horn wire is REALLY good at making rifle barrels. B-) )

    The same tools that beat swords into plowshares can beat plowshares into swords.

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  48. Innovators from Ohio, IBM, NCR,the Wright Brothers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The electric cash register was invented in Dayton to prevent theft.

    The traffic light was invented in Cleveland.

    Kettering brought the electric starter.

    The self-contained refigerator was also from dayton.

    Others? the parachute. movie projection. air bags. artificial heart, artificial kidney.

  49. hate to invoke hitler, but... by netik · · Score: 1

    Your review makes Thomas Watson look like a saint,. Please go read _IBM and the Holocaust_ to read what Watson's "mean streak" really represented.

    1. Re:hate to invoke hitler, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, luckily enough, thats exactly what the author of "IBM and the Holocaust" wants you to think when you think IBM. It is amazing what vindictiveness can be unleashed when someone loses a lot of money.

    2. Re:hate to invoke hitler, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By your logic anybody who buys a Volkswagen supports Hitler. Step away from the car, you damned Nazi!

      The whole alleged IBM / holocaust link is outlandish. Especially coming from a man with an axe to grind because he lost a fortune when IBM stopped making OS/2.

  50. Dead White Men? by BubbaMike · · Score: 0, Troll

    And if it had been about a dead black or yellow or red or orange man or even woman would that have made the book instantly interesting?
    The inherent racism of the phrase "dead white man" is, in my opinion, worse that using the dreaded "N" word. But we all know that the "K" word if ok, just ask any rapper.

    1. Re:Dead White Men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not up on my racial slurs, I think I can figure out the "N" but the "K" word?

  51. Re:Not just IBM. Also Rockola, GM, ... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

    International Harvester and quite a few other "large machinery" type businesses also made carbines.

    Funny thing is that a custom gunsmith who lives near me uses axels out of Ford pickups made between '47 and '52 for his rifle barrels because they are the right kind of chrome/moly steel.

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  52. a dead white man by pottymouth · · Score: 1

    "a dead white man "

    I guess it's a good thing he wasn't black. You'd
    have had to use another phrase or the ACLU would
    be after you....

  53. WHY IS THIS MODDED DOWN?? by foonf · · Score: 2, Informative

    The book the original poster refers to is painstakingly researched and basically correct. Not only did IBM supply machines to the Nazis, profit from it, and do everything they could to keep the German subsidiary (and its profits) under control, but Watson himself was quite an admirer of Hitler and praised him endlessly during the thirties. Not that he was unique in this regard among American businessman, but it is something that must be considered when the man is being venerated as some kind of computing icon.

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    1. Re:WHY IS THIS MODDED DOWN?? by mariox19 · · Score: 0
      [...] Watson himself was quite an admirer of Hitler and praised him endlessly during the thirties. Not that he was unique in this regard among American businessman [...]

      No doubt it's because most people make no distinction between society and politics. During the thirties, if you were a businessman reading reports of Hitler "turning Germany around," you might have thought he was a good leader. Of course, no one in Nazi Germany could tell Hitler "take this country and shove it," quit, and take themselves and their resume to the country across the street.

      Business and politics are two totally different worlds. Ultimately, no one who "leads" by being on the right side of a gun is worthy of admiration. It takes a little thoughtful reflection, however, to come to that conclusion.

      You can't be surprised though when FDR, here in this country, was "leading" the same way -- forcing business and individuals to do his bidding at gunpoint. "Lucky" for him a far bigger, badder, and crazier leader across the pond stole the spotlight.

      (Perhaps I'm off-topic. Pardon me.)

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  54. Mod the partent up! by Bull999999 · · Score: 1

    Now I don't have to rent it when it comes out in video.

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  55. Obligatory Edwin Black revenge link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Edwin Black (the main proponent of IBM==Nazi supporter theory) lost a lot of money when IBM dropped OS/2. He has always been known to be quite aggressive .

    1. Re: Obligatory Edwin Black revenge link by metamatic · · Score: 1

      You know, the stuff about Edwin Black would be a lot more convincing if it didn't come a David Irving web site.

      For those who don't know, David Irving is a prominent Holocaust denier. After an extensive libel trial it was officially decided in court that he is also a racist and anti-Semite, and he was denied permission to appeal the case.

      Amusingly, it was reported in the UK press that at one point in the trial Irving absent-mindedly addressed the judge as "mein Fuhrer"...

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    2. Re: Obligatory Edwin Black revenge link by rsidd · · Score: 1
      You know, the stuff about Edwin Black would be a lot more convincing if it didn't come a David Irving web site.

      Sorry, my English grammar parser failed on that sentence. What were you trying to say? What does David Irving have to do with Edwin Black?

      I have been to a lecture by Black and read some of his book on eugenics, and let me tell you, he has absolutely no sympathy for neo-Nazis. His entire point, both in the IBM book and in the eugenics one, was that America was complicit in some of the worst excesses of Nazi Germany.

    3. Re: Obligatory Edwin Black revenge link by rsidd · · Score: 1
      Replying to myself...

      What does David Irving have to do with Edwin Black?

      Excuse me, I didn't realise what the parent of your post was (it was score 0 and below my threshold). So we don't disagree.

      Perhaps, like in email, it's preferable to quote in slashdot postings too, otherwise it really does look like you were replying to the original post with this subject line...

    4. Re: Obligatory Edwin Black revenge link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree (I am the AC who posted that) with you, but the facts pretty much speak for themselves in this case. Look up "edwin black" and "OS/2" and you will find many references to his long and storied IBM relationship.

  56. Re:Oooh! And don't forget the Nazis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's another "pretty damning" picture.

  57. Near death experiences.... by Sara+Chan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Near-death experiences can change companies as well as people. In the early 1990s, IBM was getting close to bankruptcy. IBM lost ~$8 billion in one year, and no one knew what to do to stop the company from sinking.

    In desperation, the board brought in Lou G., who had no previous experience in IT, to take the helm. Lou remade the company, in particular, making it more customer focused. Employees were so scared of the company dying, that they pretty much went along with his plans. The IBM of today really is a transformed company from the IBM prior to Lou's remake.

  58. Yes IBM is so great. by Coyote67 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Weeee I love IBM. Best company ever. Invented not only the modern computer but also invented the device that made it possible for the Nazis to organize to make the holocaust possible.

    I'm probably just trolling but not everything IBm does or did comes in the form of Gold eggs that are powered by DC.

  59. You are so wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a treaty between Europe and the US which essentially said that the US isn't allowed to meddle in European affairs unless it is attacked by one of the combatants first. The US was sorely looking for a way into the war - one could arge, purely for economical reasons (and future world-influence). Japan was allied with Germany and that connection is what allowed the US to enter the war after they attacked. Why weren't the aircraft carriers in Pearl Harbour again? Boy that's convenient, no?

    1. Re:You are so wrong by cosmo7 · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's right, because Europe was so united leading up to the second world war. There was no such treaty.

      I think you'll find that the main thing that triggered US entry into the war in Europe was Germany declaring war on the US. The only ones who did the right thing right away were the British, who declared war on Germany after Germany invaded Belgium.

    2. Re:You are so wrong by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      The only ones who did the right thing right away were the British, who declared war on Germany after Germany invaded Belgium.

      Belgium? Or Poland? Also, France declared war on Germany at the same time.

    3. Re:You are so wrong by li99sh79 · · Score: 1
      Belgium? Or Poland? Also, France declared war on Germany at the same time.

      Poland. Belgium was World War I.

      -sam

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    4. Re:You are so wrong by abolith · · Score: 1
      both wars. bastogne was in Belgium and thats is were the 101st fought in 44.

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    5. Re:You are so wrong by Japanese+Dad · · Score: 1

      Canada as well, who at the time had one of the best military forces (well, top 12, anyway) in the world.

    6. Re:You are so wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Australia as well, we let the British declare it for us, saved a whole bunch of angst making our own decision ;-)

    7. Re:You are so wrong by li99sh79 · · Score: 1
      both wars. bastogne was in Belgium and thats is were the 101st fought in 44.

      Indeed, however it's hard for a counter-offensive to start a war, especially when that counter-offensive takes place 5 years after the war was declared.

      -sam

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    8. Re:You are so wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think France declared "We Surrender!" on Germany.

      Germany vs. France was like watching someone play Zerg vs. Terran, someone good at playing Zerg, that is. France built a nice Maginot Line, which of course Germany just routed around, much like a noob SC player building a nice defensive line around the units, not realizing that about 1,000,000 zerglings are going to punch through at some weak point and finish him off.

  60. Open your eyes. IBM is geeky. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A true geek doesn't necessarily care much about IBM. IBM is a lot more relevant to suits.

    What the hell are you talking about?! IBM employs so many Ph.D. researchers in math, computer science, materials engineering, etc. that it's an amazing place for geeks to work or aspire to work.

    Have you ever noticed how many IBM researchers publish papers on the geekiest things, never to see the light of day as a product or revenue stream? Geeks love pure research. That keeps the marketing types out of their hair.

    I did a contract for an IBM lab in Toronto. My group did both compiler design and "novel data retrieval" research (this was 8 years ago, before you called it "object databases" versus RDMS). We were geeks in the truest sense of the word, and IBM respected us (and paid us well) to be geeks. Market share, revenue, or even "products" were never the goals. Innovation and, eventually, publishing our research was the sole deliverable.

  61. NCR by k4_pacific · · Score: 1

    They're still around. Strange you don't hear much about them anymore.

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    1. Re:NCR by leandrod · · Score: 1
      > Strange you don't hear much about them anymore.

      They shrinked. They just work now selling complete packages to business with high transaction volumes, instead of competing in the general purpose computing market.

      And they've become yet another Wintel reseller cum proprietary systems vendor.

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  62. A President and His Regime: +1, Patriotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    And now we have a bunch of ex-Nixonites
    pulling the strings of The Draft Dodger

    Regards,
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  63. The Dayton job, of course, was NCR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TJ Sr. learned a lot about corporate paternalism from old John Patterson, who was very much the kingmaker in Dayton. Hero to most (but villan to some), he led the company that was king of the heap until they were too late adapting to the "disruptive technology" of computers. The areas where the big old factories sat are now parking lots and beautifully landscaped lawns. NCR survives, but it is a shell of its former majesty.

  64. Take your hood off for a moment by metamatic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    First off, there is no such thing as "the White race". In fact, the idea of "race" as commonly assigned to humans has no scientific or biological validity whatsoever.

    That, combined with the fact that you see fit to capitalize "White" but not the names of countries, and the fact that you choose to post as an anonymous coward, strongly suggests that you're a piece of Neo-Nazi trailer trash. Perhaps next time you might choose to give your comments at least a veneer of respectability.

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    1. Re:Take your hood off for a moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax...spelling and grammar rules get checked at the door here. Hahah, I'm an AC, too.

    2. Re:Take your hood off for a moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who have studied race identify 5 major races:

      Whites
      Semetics
      Mongolians
      Blacks
      Aboriginal Austrailians

    3. Re:Take your hood off for a moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You mean racists who have studied race...If you had a clue, you would know that Whites and Semites are considered the same race along with all the other north africans and middle easterns and europeans. The actual races are:

      1. Europe-Middle East-North Africa (also Russia, slavik people, etc)
      2. The rest of Africa
      3. South and Central Asian
      4. Far East (mongolia, siberia on down to china and all the surrounding countries)
      5. Natives of North and South America and Islands in the Pacific Ocean
  65. Huh? by metamatic · · Score: 1

    I'm an IBM web developer, and I know for a fact that the internal web standards mandate XHTML 1.0, which is based on XML 1.0. The standards also mandate Mozilla compatibility and Dublin Core metadata. Seems forward-thinking enough to me, given that XHTML 2.0 isn't a standard yet and isn't implemented by any browser, and XML 1.1 was only approved last week. Sheesh.

    Sure, there's lots of bureaucracy and politics in some parts of IBM, but the company's not generally a slouch when it comes to technical standards.

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    1. Re:Huh? by StyleChief · · Score: 1

      Yep, the standards do mandate XHTML, but I'm speaking of having to *push* ITs just to move forward to the very basic standards the company has implemented. Innovation beyond that is next to impossible, which makes it difficult to move forward. Perhaps that was not an ideal example, but it was simply meant to illustrate that innovation is impossible when you are held back to the basic standards. XML DITA saw approval before last week, but convincing any ITs that we should move forward does not happen around my neck of the woods. They prefer to wait until it is MANDATED. Political environments are very different even within the same complex, and I'm simply in an unfortunate environment. My efforts to make other changes driven by the customer sat data were squashed too. I guess the customer takes a back seat to politics and BS bureuacracy. Thanks for your reply.

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  66. Short memory protects criminals by leandrod · · Score: 1

    I can't believe how acritical this review was. There are several books (and magazine articles and personal anedoctes and so on) documenting how IBM is bad and was even worse, and how they incubated Microsoft and its culture.

    The best I ever read was "Big Blue: IBM's Use and Abuse of Power", by a DoJ's economist who actually worked fighting IBM's monopoly. He tells us some interesting facts like Thomas J Watson being a convicted monopolist for practices at NCR that'd make Bill Gates blush, and once at IBM how he refined his practices to try to escape justice.

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  67. Re:IBM and the NAZI's!??!1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this a troll -- its true.

  68. Ooooh!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A new asshole to lick! Yum yum yum!!! Howcome no one told me that IBM is the new asshole of the month to lick? As a typical /bot, I like to be kept abreast (even though I've never seen one because I'm a big homo) of these things. Well... here I go. I'm getting my tongue nice and wet and long and skinny so I can dig WAYYYY up into that sweet funky anus. Mmmmm... oh yeah!

  69. Ripped off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From here. Half way down the page.

  70. Want a really good history of Watson & IBM? by Omicron · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Try reading IBM & The Holocaust.

    Amazon.Com Link

    It tells the story of how Watson moved from NCR to IBM and used his ruthless skills to crush competitors, as well as get governmental support for enabling Nazi Germany to gather extremely accurate census data on the people they were trying to exterminate. There was no way Germany could have done what they did without Watson and his wonderful IBM.

    1. Re:Want a really good history of Watson & IBM? by Omicron · · Score: 1

      Flamebait???

      You've got to be kidding me. Read the book - if the truth hurts, hey...tough luck. And this is coming from a German...(I am one...)

  71. If they win their stupid lawsuits they will by BoomerSooner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And that is a scary world to live in!

  72. Their sales people ... by TekGoNos · · Score: 1

    ... are still excellent bastards.

    We once (~2 years ago) had a customer asking us to modify our product so that it would run on IBM's Portal Server.

    Reason?
    IBM tricked them to buy their Portal Server, and now they needed something to run on it to justify the purchase.
    They had nothing to run on it, they dont needed it, but they had bougth it anyway.
    And they were ready to pay us the developpement cost for porting it, just to keep their faces.
    (And IBM Portal Server is expensive : 100 000$+ per CPU at the time)

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  73. Re:Innovators from Ohio, IBM, NCR,the Wright Broth by drgroove · · Score: 1

    Actually, Leonardo Divinci invented the parachute, as well as the tank, machine gun, helicopter, and more.

  74. Even Evil Empires can change... Maybe... by SysKoll · · Score: 2, Funny
    Hear hear. Well said.

    It's silly to hold a mutable group of persons responsible for the sins of past members of this group.

    If tomorrow, MS board kicks Ballmer into the used car salesman career for which he's born, and they tie Bill Gates on a chair in his 3-acre rec room, and they reform MS corporate culture, and they stop being bastards, then MS will probably become a decent corporation. Provided they get rid of the people who ooze the current MS culture, of course.

    However, such a strategy might have drawback. For example, people will be so disoriented they'll probably swamp MS' tech support for call about how to make a donation because they'll think it has been bought by the Salvation Army.

    There is no danger for now, though. If anything, MS would buy the Salvation Army, distribute antifreeze-laced booze to all the hobos and homeless, and auction their body parts.

    Meanwhile, the gouvenment would investigate about their unfair practices of volume-purchasing antifreeze.

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  75. From a Daytonian:what a difference 80+ years makes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The civic folklore in Dayton revolves around the legacy of "Boss Kettering", NCR & John Patterson, the Wright Brothers, and other early innovators. Kids in school (at least in my age range, attending in the 1960s) were taught this "legacy".

    In the context of the current scene this is an *incredible* irony.

    Having been raised in the town but also having moved around the country quite a bit for a few years after college, I have come to a tentative conclusion: there are probably few places as xenophobic and conservative as Dayton and Cincinnati, Ohio if you're in the technology field. This is not the place to be if you want to work for a world class development organization and if you want to advance your career.

    I've worked in environments in this area where co-workers (in programming, etc) were literally driven screaming out of the building by incessant management sanctioned badgering. Working as a permanent employee in this area in technology feels like being a contractor anywhere else - you have to have an "exit strategy".

    Anyone here pissed about being considered a "code grunt", a commodity? Dayton's been that way consistently since I can recall (late 70s). Growth of tech jobs in this area has been abysmally stagnant.

    Employers, management and companies here almost go out of their way to express lack of respect for programmers and other IT people, and engineers. I have yet to witness one company here where a non management techie is not in some kind of fear for his job.

    This isn't a new thing. Decent development jobs were very hard to come by here even in the boom years of the late 90's. What I read was happening on either coast in terms of pay scales sounded like science fiction.

    My theory is that there is kind of a reverse economic incubator phenomenom going on in this part of Ohio. Just as Silicon Valley attracted top talent and became a growth engine because it was the place to be: Dayton drives out anyone in this industry who wants to work with new technology, or who even wants to simply be respected for their contribution.

    Basically, only someone in a technology career who is a dumbass or someone who is politically motivated will be satisfied with the range of opportunities here. This jibes exactly with the managers and owners I've dealt with here. Turds and morons all, trying to sell and make do with obsolete technology and running the technlogy side of their shops either like kindergarten or like a gulag.

    Oh, and many management people here are bred in the worker-hostile, unionized auto industry mold; they consider programmers line workers that they get to dick with in ways that they are restrained from abusing unionized blue collar workers.

    A special word about NCR now: it's a nexus of stupid thinking on a local and instutional level. NCR has run its once-proud name into the craphole. Its managers are known as top bureaucrats, in the mold of the old Soviet Union.

    And Lexis-Nexis, staffed by former NCR managers and execs? It *was* online content in the late 1980s. It *could* have owned the internet. Why not? The local Dayton stupdity field effect at work. Utterly stupid management that treated the internet in an old line "DP department" way as a sideshow, while trivial upstarts like Yahoo far surpassed them. The local culture would simply not permit the type of innovation that would have allowed Lexis to be a player.

    I believe the local civic leaders are clueless about these issues. "World class" and Dayton do not belong on the same sentence. Only mindless commodity industries belong here.

    PS: I am a contractor and I am constantly watching my ass... gave up on the local perm jobs (lies, all f***ing lies) 11 years ago.

  76. TJ Watson started IBM? Not quite! by SpekkioMofW · · Score: 4, Informative

    IBM didn't start with Thomas Watson. IBM was originally the Computing-Tabulating-Recording (CTR) Company, founded by Charles Flint in 1911. CTR was made up of three acquisitions:

    • The Computing Scale Company of America
    • The Bundy Manufacturing Company
    • The Tabulating Machine Company

    The latter is most important; it was founded and owned by Herman Hollerith, who invented the electric tabulating machine made famous by the 1890 U.S. Census. Thomas J. Watson wasn't hired as CTR's president until 1915, and the name change did not come until 1924.

    Book suggestion: Austrian, Geoffrey D. Herman Hollerith: Forgotten Giant of Information Processing.
    New York: Columbia University Press, 1982.

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  77. I agree wholeheartedly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why all this dirty racism against dead men? Dead men deserve a place in the Sun, too (although they might get "jerked").

    This is totally unfair!

    Hey, all my dead comrades, all of you which have been victim of undue racism, raise a hand now!

    Eeek, that's scary! (* runs away crying *)

    Zombies: "Brain! Brain! Wane!"

  78. "Real Communism" by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Because every so-called communist government has in practice been an Oligarchy. Contrary to American knee-jerk anti-communist propaganda there are no commies and never will be.

    Yeah, we've heard that all before.

    Real communism hasn't been tried yet. The people calling themselves communists are actually x.

    Real socialism hasn't been tried yet. The people calling themselves socialists are really y.

    Real capitalism hasn't been tried yet. The people calling themselves capitalists are really z.

    Real Christianity hasn't been tried yet.

    Real Islam hasn't been tried yet.

    and on, and on, and on.

    I could care less about what a system is SUPPOSED to be IN THEORY, if only people would do what the theory says. Some people will always be selfish, corruptable, and/or prone to ideological confusion. And you're not going to change that - at least not for several lifetimes (after which there's the question of whether it even matters, since what you're dealing with is no longer human beings). So the HOLES in the theory, and the ways it can be subverted, are all part of the system.

    From my standpoint, real FOO is what you get when you try to implement system FOO with real people.

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  79. Yes, they were an Evil Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm old enough to remember the late 1960's, when IBM was at the peak of its Evil Empire phase. They were convicted of (for instance) pre-announcing a machine they had no intention of developing, just to reduce CDC's sales. They got a wakeup call in the 70's when Amdahl produced a compatible mainframe, and they had to stop inflating their prices.

    IBM did (and does) innovate, unlike Microsoft. What the cases have in common is that monopoly corrupts.

  80. Another interesting read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may alos want to read "IBM and the Holocaust" Publisher: Crown Publishing Group; (February 12, 2001)ISBN: 0609607995 Here's some blurb... Was IBM, "The Solutions Company," partly responsible for the Final Solution? That's the question raised by Edwin Black's IBM and the Holocaust, the most controversial book on the subject since Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners. Black, a son of Holocaust survivors, is less tendentiously simplistic than Goldhagen, but his thesis is no less provocative: he argues that IBM founder Thomas Watson deserved the Merit Cross (Germany's second-highest honor) awarded him by Hitler, his second-biggest customer on earth. "IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success," writes Black. "IBM had almost single-handedly brought modern warfare into the information age [and] virtually put the 'blitz' in the krieg."

  81. As seen on a computer screen in Mad Magazine.... by Benwick · · Score: 1

    IBM

    UBM

    We all BM


    (circa 1981?)

  82. Great people... by TheOtherKiwi · · Score: 1

    OK, to summarize, a great man that was seriously flawed that created a massive monopoly and was bailed out of the depression when WWII broke out and the government paid IBM to send everyone left alive to work for very little and even though IBM only charged !% profit to the govt. they mysteriously ended the war having doubled in size.

    Yes they helped the nazis and get the money from it, yes IBM paid women the same rate as men (years ahead of its time), yes he was a charismatic figure who predictably clinged onto power too long and was eventually outsed by his own son...so all in all, you can't agree with some of the politics involved but you can say it makes a great "reality soap opera"...very interesting and lessons to be learnt for all who gain from other history...then again, Billy G never did read much.

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  83. What? by reverendG · · Score: 1

    I don't have any thing for or against the Swiss, but am pretty sure that this is rampantly specious. Those ovens were famously built by German corporations.

    Like I said, I don't have anything for or against the Swiss, and neither the Germans, but mis-information is always harmful.

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  84. Some usual grammar nazism by aulendil · · Score: 1

    I'm going to be picky on this one...

    Main Entry: Pearl Harbor Function: noun

    going to takes a verb in infinite mode, something quiet, but not altogether, different from a noun.