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Has nobody else noticed the site is fake? The url is https://sites.google.com/site/.... Google proper wouldn't use something that was sites.google.com. The proper glass site is glass.google.com or http://www.google.com/glass. So no google didn't use the term glasshole some random person who stole their theme/style and is trying to pass themself off as google did. This just all seems sketchy as hell and bothers me that two major sites are passing this off as "real"

A proper cost/benefit analysis is needed, before we decide to forcibly relocate everyone back to caves.

It has been done. Dozens and dozens of times. 20+ years of studies.
Google scholar search of cost benefit of climate change

forcibly relocate everyone back to caves

Yeah, because the split second that "we" convince "everyone" that we need to take action, the obvious first step is banning all oil and coal the next day....

It (switching to renewables) will be a gradual change and I bet you won't even notice.

"A deer perhaps not, ..."

Sorry I was too fast. A guy named Clarence Gerkin achieved that goal and was actually shot by a deer.

http://news.google.com/newspap...

North Koeans are required to worship their leaders as gods. There is nothing Atheistic about that.

Looks familiar.

Uh, most phones use IPv6 already. NAT is a bad idea on cell networks. Most phone carriers require IPv6 and have done so since like 2010. The exception to the rule here is AT&T who have through that NAT and 6RD would be better solutions. When that bet didn't play out well, started taking hard looks at IPv6, which in turn means they fallen behind on IPv6 adoption compared to others.

A lot of big boys are realizing NAT is not a good idea at least on the large scale. IPv6 is really easy to roll out within the network so long as all the clients can use it. That said, there's still a lot of legacy and that tends to complicate things. There really isn't any valid reason someone shouldn't use IPv6 if they are already able to do so. As far as the crisis goes. Head over to Europe or Asia to see its effects. Everyone knew that ARIN would be one of the last boys to cry because ARIN had so many /8 networks assigned to it compared to everyone else. ARIN however, is not immune and is already in Phase 3 of the count down process.

NAT isn't a real solution and a lot of people are trying to avoid as best they can. Processing power in routers is expensive, so why choose the solution that is going to cause you to double or triple that cost?

Uh, most phones use IPv6 already. NAT is a bad idea on cell networks. Most phone carriers require IPv6 and have done so since like 2010. The exception to the rule here is AT&T who have through that NAT and 6RD would be better solutions. When that bet didn't play out well, started taking hard looks at IPv6, which in turn means they fallen behind on IPv6 adoption compared to others.

A lot of big boys are realizing NAT is not a good idea at least on the large scale. IPv6 is really easy to roll out within the network so long as all the clients can use it. That said, there's still a lot of legacy and that tends to complicate things. There really isn't any valid reason someone shouldn't use IPv6 if they are already able to do so. As far as the crisis goes. Head over to Europe or Asia to see its effects. Everyone knew that ARIN would be one of the last boys to cry because ARIN had so many /8 networks assigned to it compared to everyone else. ARIN however, is not immune and is already in Phase 3 of the count down process.

NAT isn't a real solution and a lot of people are trying to avoid as best they can. Processing power in routers is expensive, so why choose the solution that is going to cause you to double or triple that cost?

Google agrees. They're probably a bit less US-centric.

As bad as the ISPs in the US are, we're actually a world leader in v6 traffic. Comcast, Time Warner (the ones I have personal experience with) and apparently Verizon are all doing v6 natively and properly. That accounts for a huge percentage of customers - as they get around to replacing their gateways, it should "just work".

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Just so everybody's clear what I mean by "just work" - when I moved into my new apartment, I rented a modem/router from the cableco (I of course bought my own a few weeks later like a good nerd). Out of the box, it requested a /64 prefix and delegated it to the internal network, including the v6 DNS servers. All OSes made in the last 10 years know how to do v6 properly, so everything from my desktop to my phone to my smart TV can access v6 resources just fine.

v6 is here. It works great, and you get real IPs! Like, you can actually paste an IP to a friend so he can download a file from your box just like the old days, without doing any NAT port mapping bullshit. Want to play a game, or video chat, or VNC or something? Just open a damn socket, no STUN or UPnP or any other crap.

I don't get why so many Slashdotters are bitching/FUDding about v6. There's no money in it - all the ISPs are doing it happily - so it's not astroturfing. And the comments don't fit the typical troll model. What gives?

Good point on asking what's the noticeable difference. Although sometimes we don't notice a difference until we go looking for it. That may require imagination first -- or it might involve taking facts previously stumbled upon and ignored and discarded and arranging them in some new way. For example. as mentioned on slashdot recently:
http://science.slashdot.org/st...
From the article linked in the story: "And here is the rub: the culturally shaped analytic/individualistic mind-sets may partly explain why Western researchers have so dramatically failed to take into account the interplay between culture and cognition. In the end, the goal of boiling down human psychology to hardwiring is not surprising given the type of mind that has been designing the studies. Taking an object (in this case the human mind) out of its context is, after all, what distinguishes the analytic reasoning style prevalent in the West. Similarly, we may have underestimated the impact of culture because the very ideas of being subject to the will of larger historical currents and of unconsciously mimicking the cognition of those around us challenges our Western conception of the self as independent and self-determined. The historical missteps of Western researchers, in other words, have been the predictable consequences of the WEIRD mind doing the thinking."

Also along those lines, here is a book that discusses the systematic ignoring of observed homosexual behavior in animals by biologists for over a century:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...
http://books.google.com/books/...

It turns out that most wildlife biologists for decades recorded their data to fit the assumption of heterosexuality in their studies. How many other times have scientists not seen (or reported) things that violate assumptions or cultural taboos? For example, look what happened with cold fusion. A quarter century ago, scientists funded by hot fusion grants claimed (after very little effort) that they could not replicate "cold fusion" and so it could not exist because it conflicted with current dogma, and the topic became verboten among academics. It could not be seen by most academics. Now, decades later, other MIT scientists teach a course on cold fusion and claim to be able to reliably replicate it.
http://www.infinite-energy.com...
http://www.e-catworld.com/2014...

When Google takes a long time to return a search result, is it because the Google servers are slow or because the universe simulation is deciding what the answer should be, including inventing a backstory? :-) Who is going to investigate that? And how? :-)

Also, as a counter example, does it really make a difference (in the short term to Earthly affairs) if there is just one galaxy of billions of them? Yet it is still somehow interesting to know and discuss that. Of course, that was based on verifiable observation. But no doubt there was speculation before that...
http://amazing-space.stsci.edu...
"In the early 1900s, astronomers were debating the makeup of spiral nebulae -- cloudy, spiral-shaped objects found throughout the night sky. Were they gas clouds located within our Milky Way galaxy, or were they vast groups of stars located far beyond our galaxy?
In 1919, American astronomer Edwin Hubble tackled the question. His keen astronomical knowledge was combined with a powerful tool - the Hooker telescope with its 100-inch mirror, on top of Mount Wilson in Cal

Last time I tried DD-WRT, getting IPv6 on there was a CLI bitch, and I don't think it supported PD at that time.

I'm using pfSense now & never looked back to a SOHO router again. If you have an old P4 lying around with 512 ram, throw an extra 10/100 NIC in there & give it a spin. If you like it, you can roll your own fanless case & get the power consumption back down to an appliance level.

For a while I used the linksys I had as an access point, then swapped it out for a UniFi & again, couldn't be happier for the price.

Back to the topic, you'll find that the current state of IPv6 is not only an ISP issue, but also a hardware & software issue. Even pfSense only recently really supported IPv6 properly with 2.1, and many other devices I've tried have varying levels of support.
Ironically, the most IPv6-complete item I've found is Windows 7/Server 2008R2.

While I'm on a kick recommending stuff, check out ipvfoo for Chrome once you get IPv6 working. It is helpful to see how many sites still don't support IPv6 native: https://code.google.com/p/ipvf...

Google's statistics of IPv6 usage show a seemingly exponential increase, which is now up to 3%. It could be 10%, 20%, or 50% in 10 years' time. Countries like mine (the UK) need to wake the fuck up and start having major ISPs offer IPv6. It really sucks that so few do.

The flooding is because the EU has been paying farmers to cut down trees and leave none standing, and trees have been shown to reduce flooding by providing a channel for the water to leave the surface.

https://www.google.com/search?...

The EU policy is the sort of centralised policy management that the apoccalyptic warmers want. The worl is more likely to die under the well-meaning centralised and totally ignorant hand of the apoccalyptic wamers.

https://fiber.google.com/about...

If someone can explain how we need multiple cable companies in order to have ISP competition, it would be helpful. I've personally used AT&T (non-Cable) as my ISP for 15 years (first as ADSL, then with U-verse). I haven't had Cable for almost 20 years. I'm eager for Google Fiber.

AOL hung around at least a decade beyond its prime. Cable isn't dead, but I suspect it's on a similar life-cycle. 50 years from now, using copper wires for data will be a footnote in history books. 100 years from now, even Fiber will be a similar note.

Seems mostly aimed at Two Factor Authentication, not dissimilar to the way Google Authenticator works without having to type anything into your phone.

Currently Google's 2FA uses you phone as a synced clock displaying numbers which you have to key in to your
computer to log in.

These guys revers that and you computer sends a QR code or a sound that your Cellphone authenticates and sends
a response back through the network, via a separate path (tcp connection or sms message).

Its pretty clever, as long as its paired with something else only you would know. It has the same problems
that Google's current two factor has, namely that it is game over if someone steals your phone.

I suspect they bought them more for the patents than anything else.

Megalodon. 'nuf said.

Summary: Yuppie WASP thinks he knows the solution to poverty: If they would only get of their lazy bums, they wouldn't be poor anymore!

How are so who are so uninformed about the nature of poverty in the US so confident in their deluded opinions? (Wait, I know, it's because Republican rhetoric about government "entitlements.")

I'd argue that if you have exploited to the fullest the "free education" you get in the US to age 18, never done drugs nor become addicted to alcohol, etc, and neither fathered/mothered a child until you had a stable job and income post-highschool then there's no way you're working minimum-wage jobs for any sustained period of time.

If you would argue that, you'd either be a moron or someone who is so uninformed as to be totally unqualified to speak on the topic.

Education in the US is not created equal. Try being born in the inner city where the high school has a 15% graduation rate (half that of the city average) and even those who do graduate often fail to understand 7th grade level algebra. Now add on to this an alcoholic mother who kicks you out of the house whenever she gets drunk, forcing you to either 1.) spend the night with your drug dealing uncle, 2.) spend the night at a shelter where someone is stabbed to death roughly once a month, or 3.) sleep on the street. Are you going to graduate from high school?

This is not a hypothetical story. I am describing an actual person that I knew back when I volunteered with the social work department at an inner city hospital.

Let's say that you beat the odds that are overwhelmingly against you and graduate from high school. If you are like the young man that I knew, you have never even heard of the SAT. Your high school's average SAT is below 1000 (on the 2400 scale). And those that do go to a local HBCU with only a 30% graduation rate and absolutely horrendous job placement. Trade school is a more reasonable alternative, but you can't afford the tuition and financial aid for trade school is basically non-existent.

Your only option at this point is to go for jobs that will take people with a high school diploma, but you live in a city where unemployment is 147% that of the rest of the state. Odds are that the best you will be able to get is a part time job at the local McDonald's. If you work hard, in three or four years, you might work your way up to assistant manager and make a whopping $10/hr.

This will barely be enough to pay for your rent (usually about $700/month for a single bedroom, perhaps $600 after rental assistance), let alone enough to save up for an education or to pay for the cost of raising children.

If you see any way to escape this situation through hard work, please let me know. If there were any bad choices made here that resulted in their just deserts, please let me know.

Now, if you have a cellphone, and cable, kids, and you smoke, and own a house...that $24,000 starts to get pretty thin. But then, you're already living better than 2/3rds of the people on the planet, not bad for "being poor"?

1.) A lot of the people I knew back when I volunteered with social work would have killed to make $24,000 a year. The average income of the people I worked with was probably closer to $10k - $15k per year because most people were unable to find anything but part time work. 2.) Let's pretend that it is easy to make $24k/yr. So poor people in the US on average live better than sub-Saharan Africans and we call that progress? The US is the wealthiest nation in the world. We absolutely should not be comparing ourselves to the lowest 2/3rd that still

The course we are on is unsustainable at our current rate of energy consumption. Tom Murphy's excellent essay "Galactic-Scale Energy" made the case rather well (and it deserves its own Slashdot entry if it hasn't already had one -- I'm too lazy too look it up). About 1400 years from now (which is less time into the future than we are from the fall of the Roman Empire) we will be using more energy than is currently produced by the entirety of the sun if we don't back off on the growth of our energy consumption, which is showing no signs of easing up.

This is completely false. US energy consumption per capital has actually fallen in recent years, and is currently no higher per capita than it was in 1970. Other developed countries have a similar trend.

But for the codec, is there a realistic alternative to H264 today? A format which can fit a feature-length HD movie in high quality in a file under 4GB so that it fits on any USB stick including FAT32, and that anyone can read?

WebM is certainly better than QuickTime's H.264 encoding quality. That's VP8 with Vorbis audio in an MKV container.

Oddly enough, your best bet for playback is to use the <video> tag to embed it in a web page. Both Firefox and Chrome natively support WebM, as of quite a while back. Internet Explorer never will, but their market share is dwindling, and all those users need for playback is to install the codec pack first: https://tools.google.com/dlpag...

If you want to keep it on QuickTime, there are QT components to support WebM, though I can't speak to their quality: https://code.google.com/p/webm...

But for the codec, is there a realistic alternative to H264 today? A format which can fit a feature-length HD movie in high quality in a file under 4GB so that it fits on any USB stick including FAT32, and that anyone can read?

WebM is certainly better than QuickTime's H.264 encoding quality. That's VP8 with Vorbis audio in an MKV container.

Oddly enough, your best bet for playback is to use the <video> tag to embed it in a web page. Both Firefox and Chrome natively support WebM, as of quite a while back. Internet Explorer never will, but their market share is dwindling, and all those users need for playback is to install the codec pack first: https://tools.google.com/dlpag...

If you want to keep it on QuickTime, there are QT components to support WebM, though I can't speak to their quality: https://code.google.com/p/webm...

Wait, What?

Several companies are already doubling as a label.
Look here: https://play.google.com/artist...
And here: https://www.apple.com/itunes/w...
http://www.tunecore.com/index/...

And the Music industry isn't in a position to take on Google and Itunes and Amazon. Those three companies decide not to sell your crap-music, at your crap-prices, and you are pretty much dead in the water as a label.

Artists are getting smarter. They are starting to care about the license terms, and while they may release their first hits to a label more and more of them are declining to take long term contracts and trying the indi market.

I know the Slashdot meme of Apple suing over 'rounded corners' is prevalent. However, the actual design patent Apple were suing over contained numerous clauses (including operational UI elements as rendered by software) that the courts evaluate for infringement as a whole. It had nothing to do with Apple claiming violation of a singular clause of their design patent.

The meme comes directly from the design patent.

http://tangodropbox.com - DropBox trampled all over them; so they gave up.

Where can I read about this? Googling "tango dropbox" trademark doesn't return anything relevant, maybe some bad pub DMCA scrubbing going on?

Here's a list of about 100 Android apps which use Open Street Map...
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/...

And, of course, navigation:
https://play.google.com/store/...

As Google moves more of its functionality from ASOP to Google Play store apps, it is becoming less free (as in beer and freedom).

web 2.0 and how the things on our site were rendered too small. One of the sonofabitches actually said, " When people see small things on your screen, they think small. Think BIG! 16-point text and 500-pixel padding minimum! "

Sounds those asshats went on to work on the nbcnews.com website. Have you seen that in the past week? Horrible.

And on the Engadget.com website (everything got giant when they redesigned to look like iOS7). And the google.com website when accessed from an iPad, now that they have **finally** disabled support for Google Classic https://www.google.com/webhp?nota=1 after 2-3 years of hiding it in a webhp option.

Either a lot of website designers suddenly think their audience needs kindergarten-sized text, or they are desperate for their websites to be readable by people using non-retina display 7" tablets...

Isn't it obvious to use rsync+ssh for syncing unix to unix?

Except the poster mentions learning the API for Windows ... they mention a PC, but don't mention which operating system, so this solution might not fit.

or get Google Translate to do it for you:

http://translate.google.com/tr...

I have a free Android app listed on Google Play that may work for you -- SSHelper: https://play.google.com/store/... . It supports SSH, SCP, SFTP and a few other secure shell-related protocols.

Seconded.

I use FolderSync Lite, which is free, and assign certain folders to be synced using SFTP to a Linux server. Any Linux server running OpenSSH has SFTP built in with no extra parts needed.

The folders are mainly the camera, screenshots, ...etc. You can tell it to only sync when there is WiFi, and when the phone is powered on.

If that doesn't do the trick, I find that my tablet running Cyanogenmod 10.1.3 has rsync 3.0.7, but I've also installed extra bits and pieces ("Android Terminal Emulator" by Jack Palevich, "Terminal IDE" by Spartacus Rex, "Busybox Pro" by Stephen (stericson)) so I'm not 100% sure that it was originally available. You may be able to script and schedule something of your own based on scripts you use elsewhere, though with a few changes (e.g. "jping" instead of "ping", see Issue 29 on Terminal IDE's code.google.com page though that indicates that it may be fixed).

while it's probably useless information to you at this point you can turn off auto-awesome here

PhotoSync - https://play.google.com/store/...

In the app, you specify an SMB share. Any time you take a picture or video, the app will be notified. The next time you're on the same wifi network as your PC, the app will copy the new pictures/videos to the share. Optionally, you can have the app delete the pictures/videos off your phone after a user-defined amount of time after they've been synced, so that you don't run out of space on your phone (unless you set this time threshold longer than it takes to fill up your phone).

Syncs images and videos to a SMB share whenever you are connected to your LAN:

https://play.google.com/store/...

Simple and works for me.

This used to be great. But it doesn't work quite right on Jelly Bean and up*, and the author has stopped updating and supporting it. I used to highly recommend it, but not any longer.

* You can still sort of make it work, but it always complains that it's not connected to wifi, and you can't manually start syncs.

I'd look at the FolderSync app, ~$3. It supports a huge number of backend connection types including FTP/SFTP, SMB/CIFS and WebDAV to cover most of your local server needs. It also covers most of the major and many minor cloud storage providers. You can set it up to sync only on specified wifi networks, to sync on schedules or when files change, etc.

There's also a "lite" version, which only allows 2 accounts, no Tasker support and no sync filters (which I've never fiddled with anyway, so may not be that important).

Came here specifically to recommend this one too, so +1.

Have been using it, in conjunction with SuperBackup* to back up photos, contacts, texts, calendars, etc. to personal FTP storage for years, and it looks like it'll support a network share drive as a backup site (haven't tested that yet). It's a bit resource intensive on first run (naturally), but once it's caught up it's light and unintrusive...and it just works. One of the nicer features is that you can specify whether to wait until you're plugged in to sync, so you're much less likely to wind up with a dead phone after taking a bunch of photos at an event (not an issue, I guess, if you only sync to network drives at home...)

* Superbackup also has a lite version that's ad-supported, so you can try before you buy.

I'd look at the FolderSync app, ~$3. It supports a huge number of backend connection types including FTP/SFTP, SMB/CIFS and WebDAV to cover most of your local server needs. It also covers most of the major and many minor cloud storage providers. You can set it up to sync only on specified wifi networks, to sync on schedules or when files change, etc.

There's also a "lite" version, which only allows 2 accounts, no Tasker support and no sync filters (which I've never fiddled with anyway, so may not be that important).

Came here specifically to recommend this one too, so +1.

Have been using it, in conjunction with SuperBackup* to back up photos, contacts, texts, calendars, etc. to personal FTP storage for years, and it looks like it'll support a network share drive as a backup site (haven't tested that yet). It's a bit resource intensive on first run (naturally), but once it's caught up it's light and unintrusive...and it just works. One of the nicer features is that you can specify whether to wait until you're plugged in to sync, so you're much less likely to wind up with a dead phone after taking a bunch of photos at an event (not an issue, I guess, if you only sync to network drives at home...)

* Superbackup also has a lite version that's ad-supported, so you can try before you buy.

Syncs images and videos to a SMB share whenever you are connected to your LAN:

https://play.google.com/store/...

Simple and works for me.

There's also a "lite" version, which only allows 2 accounts, no Tasker support and no sync filters (which I've never fiddled with anyway, so may not be that important).

Isn't it obvious to use rsync+ssh for syncing unix to unix?
I don't use that one myself, just first result from google which is free.

The phrasing is a bit misleading. The star was 6000 light-years away when it first emitted the light, but the empty space between stars (and galaxies, now) has been expanding continuously (but at a nonconstant rate) since then. Imagine a car driving along a rubber sheet that's stretching. The sheet *starts* 6000 miles long and the car drives at one mile per hour, but since the sheet is growing as the car drives along it's 13.7 billion years long by the time the car reaches the other end.

So we're seeing the star as it looked 13.7 billion years, ago, not as it looked 6000 years ago, the current physical distance between us and the star is actually a whopping 46.6 billion light-years, and the 6000 light-year number corresponds to the distance between us and the star when the light was first emitted. (The universe was much smaller then.)

Note that this goofy universe-expansion correction factor doesn't apply to such short distances nowadays. The center of the Milky Way galaxy is 30000 light-years away, but since space itself isn't expanding so rapidly today, we see the center of the galaxy the way it looked about 30000 light-years ago, as expected. The most ridiculous rates of expansion took place shortly after the Big Bang.

Actually, modern cards not only have the contact chip but also a "Contactless" mode that can be used for small payments.

So you can pay for your Starbucks or bus fare instantly just by tapping your Visa card, no need to swipe or insert the card and enter a PIN number. This is all still more secure than Swipe & Sign, because the cards can't be easily cloned and theres a relatively low transaction limit.

Wrong.

Contactless is far less secure than magstripe.

"Contactless" is far less secure because it will wirelessly give out all the information on the front of the card (CC number, name, expiry date) to any system that asks for it. I have an application for it on my Galaxy Nexus (and the source code that doesn't censor the CC number is available on GitHub). Now you have the number, exp date and name on the card you can make online transactions with it and the best way to avoid detection by the bank is to make small transactions because they are less likely to be flagged or noticed by the user and the bank will write it off rather than doing any kind of indepth investigation (so as long as it's not directed to a real address, you're safe).

So you don't need to replicate the card to use it for fraudulent purposes. But if you would like to, just follow the specifications that are publicly available from Visa's website (same for MasterCard, haven't checked Amex/Discover, but no-one uses those cards outside the US).

Fortunately chip and pin technology is not dependent on contactless technology (actually it's the other way around).

A quick google search can find dozens or hundreds of people pointing lasers at helicopters. https://www.google.com/search?...

... RFID is orders of magnitude less secure than a regular magnetic strip.

Lucky that chip-and-pin cards don't have RFID on them then ;). They must be inserted into the reader for the chip to be used, and even then, the chip is not (and can not be) read, instead, it's used to encrypt, and sign your PIN, so that the bank can verify that it's really you (or someone who knows your PIN, and has your card – whee, two fold security, something you know, and something you have) there.

Chip and Pin and contactless payment (RFID AKA Paywave and Paypass) are different systems that are interconnected.

Chip and Pin increases security, not perfectly but has a noticeable benefit on security.

Contactless payment is a system that reduces security by sending you CC number, expiry date and name (on the card) to any system that asks for it wirelessly, so it's easy to do without the cardholders knowledge. There's even an (Andoid) app for it for any phone with NFC (and a the non censored sources are on GitHub).

Now they are interconnected because the induction loop is physically connected to the chip. So if you want to disable it you need to figure out which where the induction loop is connected to the chip (usually at the top) and make an incision on that side of the chip (being careful not to cut through the card, usually harmless to the mag stripe but small cracks become big cracks over time). Test to see if it works using the Android app linked to above. The chip still works, but contactless stops.

You only need to sever one part of the induction loop to kill it, your problem is finding out where the induction loop runs. So if anyone knows an easy, non destructive way to find a metal filament in a plastic card that can be done at home, please let me know.

Google Translate says it means, "Prepare for war."

Yup, and it costs $32k. For that price you can get this new, and that is if you just walk in and pay sticker price.

Sure, the Lexus won't fly, but when people spend $30k on something their general expectation is that they're going to get something that looks more like the car and less like the torn fabric over foam that you see in the aircraft photos.

Portable terminals cost more than 'pretty much nothing.' They add considerable expense and are, for the most part, completely wasteful. A consumer should be able to complete a card transaction on their own cell phone without every exposing their credentials to somebody else's terminal.

Chip and pin is still deeply flawed. You still are required to hand over all the data a 3rd party would need to commit fraud. With today's technology, there is no excuse for this.

A system like this one would allow transactions without ever exposing credentials to a third party.

a blood libel invented by the Boston Globe in 2007

Even when you're trying to deflect the debate with your "OMG, they must mean Holocaust deniers when they say that, because that's what denial means and nothing else! What awful, awful people!", you still can't even get the facts right.

I think you might need your eyes checked. We have made some pretty big holes in the earth over the years. On this zoomed out imgage from google maps you can see a SW to NW string of purpleish areas in northern Minnesota (north and east of Duluth ) that are the iron mines in the Mesabe Range. Some have been abandoned while others like the Hull Rust mine are still active today. The Hull rust mine is huge at about 2 miles wide by 3 miles long it is a huge hole in the ground and there are other larger holes in the ground for other mining operations, like the Kennecott copper mine in Utah, the Chuquicamata mine in Chile, the Black Thundar coal mine in Wyoming, or the Mir daimond mine in russia. While operations like these don't move enough material to affect the orbit or anything like that they are all visible from space, especially their tailings ponds which have very interesting colors.

There's already a build of MAME for android called MAME4Droid on the play store.

0.139u1: (for dual core devices)
https://play.google.com/store/...

0.37b5: ( for lower-powered devices)
https://play.google.com/store/...

There's already a build of MAME for android called MAME4Droid on the play store.

0.139u1: (for dual core devices)
https://play.google.com/store/...

0.37b5: ( for lower-powered devices)
https://play.google.com/store/...

look up Commander Genius

https://play.google.com/store/...