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Para Bellum Labs Will Attempt To Make the RNC a Political-Analytics Player

Nerval's Lobster writes "President Obama's 2012 re-election campaign relied on a sophisticated data-analytics platform that allowed organizers and volunteers to precisely target potential donors and voters. The centerpiece of that effort was Project Narwhal, which brought voter information—steadily accumulated since Obama's 2008 campaign—onto a single platform accessible to a growing number of campaign-related apps. The GOP has only a few short years to prepare for the next Presidential election cycle, and the party is scrambling to build an analytics system capable of competing against whatever the Democrats deploy onto the field of battle. To that end, the Republican National Committee (RNC) has launched Para Bellum Labs, modeled after a startup, to produce digital platforms for election analytics and voter engagement. Is this a genuine attempt to infuse the GOP's infrastructure with data science, or merely an attempt to show that the organization hasn't fallen behind the Democratic Party when it comes to analytics? Certainly the "Welcome to Para Bellum Labs" video posted by the RNC gives the impression of a huge office staffed with data scientists and programmers. However, the creation of a muscular digital ecosystem hinges on far more than building a couple of apps. Whatever the GOP rolls out, it'll face a tough opponent in the Democratic opposition, which will almost certainly emulate the robust IT infrastructure that the Obama campaign instituted in 2012 (not to mention Obama's massive voter and donor datasets). From that perspective, Para Bellum Labs might face the toughest job in politics."

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  1. Toughest job in politics? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0, Troll

    >> Para Bellum Labs might face the toughest job in politics.

    Nah...I think that belongs to the folks in charge of presenting Hillary as candidate of change and reform so Obama's coattails don't kill her campaign before it starts.

    1. Re:Toughest job in politics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, Joe Biden is standing on the sidelines ready to step in when Hillary's campaign crashes.

    2. Re:Toughest job in politics? by microbox · · Score: 1

      If nothing else, the far right are experts in convincing themselves of their own narratives.

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  2. Umm, guys... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know that 'Orca' pretty much sucked in the most hilarious ways possible, so I can understand wanting to ditch that name, and maybe cetacean-based names in general; but isn't 'Para Bellum Labs' kind of pitiful-IT-violence-nerd at best and creepy at worst?

    1. Re: Umm, guys... by Zeek40 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Pathetic, creepy and violent are accurate descriptions of the organization that created the lab, so its an appropriate name.

    2. Re: Umm, guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's fine, but the topic is the Republican analytics organization, not the Democrat organization.

    3. Re: Umm, guys... by AuntieAlias · · Score: 0

      "Para Bellum" ?? Should be more like Belladonna.

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    4. Re:Umm, guys... by OptimalCynic · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Ante bellum" was just a bit too obvious so they went with something a bit obfuscated.

    5. Re: Umm, guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, "para bellum" is Latin for, "for war". Foreign wars are one of the GOP's greatest money making exports.

    6. Re:Umm, guys... by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      isn't 'Para Bellum Labs' kind of pitiful-IT-violence-nerd at best and creepy at worst?

      Well, it's slightly better than "AnteBellum Labs" //troll warning which would make all the Southern Repubs happy just thinking about the good ol' Dixie days //!warning

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    7. Re:Umm, guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      isn't 'Para Bellum Labs' kind of pitiful-IT-violence-nerd at best and creepy at worst?

      Well, it's slightly better than "AnteBellum Labs" //troll warning which would make all the Southern Repubs happy just thinking about the good ol' Dixie days //!warning

      The "good ol' Dixie days" were run by the Democrat Party (the Republicans didn't start winning in the South until the 1990s), but don't let actual history get in the way of your trolling.

    8. Re: Umm, guys... by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

      Google Translate says it means, "Prepare for war."

    9. Re:Umm, guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the Good Ol' Dixie Days were the domain of the Democrats.

    10. Re: Umm, guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure the name of this organization is a dog whistle for gun nuts and right wingers harboring fantasies of violent revolution because OMG BLACK PRESIDENT. Forget about the "for war" translation of the Latin phrase, what this name will suggest to their minds is 9mm Parabellum, a popular handgun / submachinegun round.

    11. Re:Umm, guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Republicans opportunistically took Dixiecrats into their ranks when the Dixiecrats exited the Democratic Party in a huff, which occurred when the mainstream Democratic Party chose to alienate them by supporting national civil rights legislation in the mid-1960s. Over the decades since, the Republican Party has steadily allowed itself to be increasingly dominated by that disgusting racist faction, to the point where today they are the national party of the politics identified with antebellum Dixie. But don't let actual history get in the way of your attempts to spread "b-b-b-b-b-but Democrats are the REAL RACISTS" bullshit propaganda.

    12. Re: Umm, guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using your logic, every time the Democrats ask me to "chip in $10 " ( I get a lot of donation emails), they must be either : 1) gambling freaks wishing to bankrupt america through the use of immoral wagering, or 2) wishing me to eat potato chips,and ruin my health.

    13. Re: Umm, guys... by Zeek40 · · Score: 1

      Apparently you missed that "violent" was one of the adjectives. If we had been talking about Democrats, that one would have been replaced with "ineffectual".

    14. Re: Umm, guys... by Zeek40 · · Score: 1

      And using those three adjectives, I've decided to re-name project "Narwhal" to project "Octogenarian Nymphomania".

    15. Re: Umm, guys... by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      Umm, I think Para Bellum, as "For War", refers not so much to racism against Obama, after all he cannot run again, as it refers to class war, economic war of haves against have-nots. You can hear the fear the 1%'ers have, especially the conservative ones. The thing that motivates conservatives is scarcity, the fear of having to share, and more so facing the hostility caused by selfishness, so the name of the group is a Freudian Slip. Pay attention to names, even informal ones. They often reveal what the mindset is, and even before the PR people get to neutralize the meaning.

  3. Waste of Time by Akratist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While the Republicans probably have a lot of catching up to do in the tech department, they're still clueless as to why they are losing in the political arena, and it has nothing to do with tech. They've long since given up their founding principles of being pro-liberty (remember, most Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act) and internationally cautious and have instead become a hangout for corrupt Beltway extortionists and moonbat crazies in recent decades. When they do offer a political position, it's about 75 percent of what the Democrats offer, so what's the point of supporting them? Finally, dislike of government is a prominent Republican theme, but they've never seen a defense program they didn't like (by and large). All that adds up to a brand which is more damaged than New Coke and would take a cold, hard look in the mirror before it can ever expect to be resurrected, which they are not capable of doing. In ten years, the GOP will have largely gone the way of the Whigs, maybe winning some local elections, but increasingly irrelevant on the national scene.

    1. Re:Waste of Time by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A lot of the Republicans Cluelessness is based on bad data. The main issue is that the Republicans are supporting the base of the groups that yell the loudest, and think they are supporting a majority.

      Part (there are other reasons too but that will get onto political rambling) of the reason why Kerry Lost to Bush, is because the Democrats didn't collect their data as well as the Republicans, and let the Liberal Crazies push the agenda, making Kerry look out of touch, while the Republicans seemed to more controlled and moderate.

      The democrats haven't been winning by huge landslides either. A small tweak from the Republicans stance, say being more open to Gay Marriage, or actually getting their act together on a good immigration policy could be enough to change the tide.

      Sure most of us Slashdotters are based in Blue States, with a strong blue influence. But there are plenty of moderates out there who may be right leaning except for that one particular issue. and if the Republicans find that issue they could get in control.

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    2. Re:Waste of Time by laird · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Based on polls, Republicans are almost always the minority party, because they advocate positions that benefit the minority and harm the majority. Their electoral victories come from discouraging voting by the majority so that the committed minority can win.

      Of course, because they've painted themselves into a corner and cannot imagine that their policies are the reason for their failures, they have to keep trying various tactics to "win" despite public opposition. But until they believe that they need to change, they can't change, and will keep losing.

      Though if tactics such as gerrymandering and voter suppression continue to be allowed to succeed, then they'll never change.

    3. Re:Waste of Time by stenvar · · Score: 2

      maybe winning some local elections, but increasingly irrelevant on the national scene.

      Sure, that's why Democrats have both houses and Obama won by a landslide, right? Get real. The administration and Democrats have been screweing so badly that they even make idiot Bush look good. As an Independent, I think both parties are becoming increasingly irrelevant. In the future, I'll probably vote for whoever I think can produce the most gridlock in Washington, because the less either Republicans or Democrats do, the better.

    4. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Republicans're still clueless as to why they are losing in the political arena, and it has nothing to do with tech.

      Might be true although I think the evidence is there that the people running the RP know that what they are doing flies in the face of what most voters want and is self-destructive for the RP. They are simply motivated by a desire to turn the US into another country like those of Europe in which all of the parties just squabble about the details of a welfare state so pervasive that it dominates all elections - until the country's wealth is squandered and widespread civil unrest follows.

      have instead become a hangout for corrupt Beltway extortionists

      Extortionists, thieves, pick-pockets, rent-seekers, traitors.

      and moonbat crazies

      I don't know who you think the crazies in the RP are. I would say the crazies are in the DP, unless you believe that teaching grade school children that "sometimes little boys feel like little boys and sometimes they feel like little girls" is somehow normal. Or that handing out never-ending unemployment checks somehow creates jobs or that losing your job or having your hours reduced due to Obamacare somehow "liberates" you from the tyranny of having to work for a living.

      When they do offer a political position, it's about 75 percent of what the Democrats offer, so what's the point of supporting them?

      The rhetoric is about 75%; the actual policy promotion once you cut through the bull squeeze is more like 90%.

      Finally, dislike of government is a prominent Republican theme

      NO! "dislike of government" is a talking point of the left. The real theme is limiting the federal government to its enumerated Constitutional powers, not a desire to promote anarchy.

      but they've never seen a defense program they didn't like

      National defense is one of those enumerated powers. Besides the DP is every bit as enthusiastic about defense programs as the RP. Defense contracts represent "bringing home the bacon" to both parties. I'm not saying that defense contracts and interventionalism aren't a problem - war is the health of the state, after all - just that the problem is endemic to a political class that is used to butting into every conflict everywhere. In any case, defense spending is not the cause of the financial crisis in the US. That's just another talking point of the left that is disseminated through the "hate the military" faculty in our universities.

      In ten years, the GOP will have largely gone the way of the Whigs, maybe winning some local elections, but increasingly irrelevant on the national scene.

      Absolutely true. The US needs a real opposition party not an adjunct to the DP. I fear that the worst possible thing might happen, which is that the bulk of the population, having no political voice, may be driven to desperate measures as the country is rapidly being destroyed economically and the political class responds with brutality. In the last 15-20 years, the political class has been assembling the components of a full-fledged police state. The collection of vast databases of information detailing the lives of every American citizen and the tools to mine those databases are just parts of that future police state. Obama has even publicly declared his desire to create such a police state, not that the Republican establishment seems that concerned about it.

    5. Re:Waste of Time by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      How do you get people to vote against their own interests? Wedge issues. IMHO, the true gop agenda is to push as much money to rich people as possible at the expense of everyone else and the only way to do that is by courting the crazies.

    6. Re:Waste of Time by Mashdar · · Score: 0

      More data doesn't fix batshit crazy primary voters. So long as lunatics and zealots can carry the primaries, the GOP is in a terrible position. Only a few old-school Republican congressmen are immune from primary challenges from the nutters.

    7. Re:Waste of Time by nevermindme · · Score: 1

      Dixiecrats are long dead, they were the last of the Conservative Dems of 1955. They were old southerners in 1965. Their kids were 40 year old Reagan dems in 1980 and most of them are voting in their last election cycle in this decade. Tea party events are full of 40-50 year old business owners who did very well in both 1990s and 2000 because of Conservatism and ultra low taxes, but now have hit a tax bracket where 50% or more of their income goes to government largeness. We now are at the point where 50% of the population pays nothing, benefits outweigh taxes for government. No wonder controlling the debt is minor issue with both parties. Republicans desperately look for the 10% they can strip off (rural states swings) and dems sit on 90% (urban middle class independents) who are being lead to biggest economic disaster since the fall of the Roman Empire.

    8. Re:Waste of Time by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The democrats haven't been winning by huge landslides either. A small tweak from the Republicans stance, say being more open to Gay Marriage, or actually getting their act together on a good immigration policy could be enough to change the tide.

      Dems are not winning by a landslide, that is true. The moment GOP moderates its stance it is going to lose a bulk of the moonbat crazy right wing that was preventing the Dem landslides. People who would prefer moderation immigration or gay issue are not going to switch in sufficient numbers to make up for the loss of crazy right wing. GOP has been riding the tiger. They have been trading away large number of moderate voters,( but whose voter turn out rate is low) to pursue the crazy nutjobs, who have smaller number but make up for it in voter turn out. But there is a limit to how much mileage you can get out of them. All that gerry mandering, bias in politics for small states with two senators each, natural accretion of dems in dense urban blocks, liberals in small red towns/counties/state moving to friendlier anonymous cities etc etc have all been exhausted to the limit. They have painted themselves into this corner, it is not easy to dig out of that hole (forgive my mixed metaphors).

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    9. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nutters in the primaries flows both ways... So long as zealots and lunatics carry the primaries, both the Republican and Democratic parties are in jeopardy.

      I say level the playing field. Abandon the primaries and allow each candidate the same finite amount of campaign funds. Both republicans and democrats are out of control. Only a fool, Mashdar, would fail to realize this.

    10. Re:Waste of Time by tomhath · · Score: 1

      they're still clueless as to why they are losing in the political arena, and it has nothing to do with tech.

      Losing? 29 Republican governors versus 21 Democrats, plus a majority in the House of Representatives.

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    11. Re:Waste of Time by bmajik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you write down a list of position statements and don't attach a brand/party to it, and then ask people what they agree/disagree with, republican _positions_ do pretty well.

      Independent voters win elections. The politics that win in NYC don't win nationally.

      The Republican brand is toxic, because of brand association with people like Akin. And the way you get Akin's and Akin like statements is that when you ask a republican to explain some particular policy/position, they double down with expressing some moral position that seems antiquated at best and offensive more commonly, or they wander off into insanity land.

      These things just wreck the brand.

      Furthermore, there is a huge struggle for the soul and the future of the republican party. The democrats have huge piles of young energized radicals. The active republicans are almost entirely senior citizens. The young, activist republicans are dominated by Ron Paul supporters -- who are much more socially tolerant than the rank and file, but who want much less government spending than the left can accept.

      The party needs to take an active role in managing its brand better. When people like Akin open their mouths, the national party needs to excommunicate them loudly and immediately. "These views are not in keeping with the platforms and goals of the republican party or the republican vision for America". That kind of stuff.

      Social conservatives (like myself) need to give up on ever being the majority party again. That ship has sailed. Republicans, liberty advocates, and social conservatives now must settle for the subset of things they want, because getting all of what we want is clearly off the table.

      We're still arguing for what the right subset of things to go after is. The Tea Party, to its credit, mostly doesn't do moral/social advocacy or activism, and is mostly about the size of government and adherence to the constitution. That's good stuff.

      On economic policy, the modern republican establishment is somewhere between democrat lite and corporo-fascist-enforcers (but, I repeat myself), and purging those elements of the party is going to be painful and take time, and result in lost elections due to infighting. But it has to happen.

      I give Rand Paul a lot of credit for taking 80% of what people liked about his dad and making it palatable to 80% of the GOP establishment.

      In a modern election, 80% support would be an unheard of landslide. So, say what you will about him, but he's saying the right things about the NSA, about drones, about limits on executive power, and a bunch of other things. He's one of the only republicans that is talking about cutting military spending -- consistently. He's been a huge critic of the TSA from the beginning. He's being wishy-washy on drug policy, but he has said a lot of the right things there as well.

      If people could look past the tarnished brand, there's a lot to like about him.

      Absent some other factor that is a deal-breaker, I'll support anyone who puts forward legislation to rein in the NSA and to tone down or stop the drug war.

      The republicans could adopt these policies, stop talking about gay people and gay marriage, (or better yet, simply say, "we find no provision in the constitution that allows for a federal restriction on same sex marriage. Therefore, in the interest of promoting liberty for all Americans, we support complete government recognition of same sex marriage"), and adopt a "wait and see" approach on Obamacare ("we don't like it, we were against it, but the senate and the executive have rammed it through, so now we're going to focus on other matters while we see how it shakes out").

      If they got rid of the things that kill their brand, and focused on the things the democrats aren't touching (drug war, civil liberties, military spending), I think there's some chance.

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    12. Re:Waste of Time by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem the Republicans have, which is the reason Obama won by a landslide but the Republican party polls were predicting a win for Romney is a problem of demographics. For the first time in history the young are voting, millennial are voting by wide margins. The Republican polls took the view of history that even if the young said they would vote to a poll they actually wouldn't end up voting whereas the other polls predicting Obama's win took their statement at face value. They are the reason Obama was elected in both 2012 and 2008. The bad part for republicans is that the millennial numbers keep growing and by the end of the decade their voter numbers are projected to be higher than both GenX and the Baby boomers.

      That is what should scare the every loving bejesus out of Republicans. You have an entire generation that is voting close to 80% democratic, that has larger voting numbers than previous generations and is voting young. There is a real possibility we're going to go into a era of total dominance by the democratic party for the next 30 years not unlike that caused by the great depression.

    13. Re:Waste of Time by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Based on polls, Republicans are almost always the minority party, because they advocate positions that benefit the minority and harm the majority. Their electoral victories come from discouraging voting by the majority so that the committed minority can win.

      Of course, because they've painted themselves into a corner and cannot imagine that their policies are the reason for their failures, they have to keep trying various tactics to "win" despite public opposition. But until they believe that they need to change, they can't change, and will keep losing.

      Though if tactics such as gerrymandering and voter suppression continue to be allowed to succeed, then they'll never change.

      When the eligible voter turnout ranges from 35% in off years to 60% in presidential races, no one is winning with a true majority, they are winning by convincing more supporters to turn out than the other side. Winning/losing in the margin hardly creates a mandate by the majority, but that's what has happened for several decades now. Americans just aren't interested enough in either party. The only real solution for that is mandatory voting (and moving election day to a weekend or running it for multiple days), but freedom to be a lazyass is one of our most cherished rights so we would rather not do anything about it.

    14. Re:Waste of Time by Nimey · · Score: 0

      If you write down a list of position statements and don't attach a brand/party to it, and then ask people what they agree/disagree with, republican _positions_ do pretty well.

      {citation needed}

      Your cite had better include how they present those positions so we can control for propaganda.

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    15. Re:Waste of Time by mspohr · · Score: 1

      "A lot of the Republicans Cluelessness is based on bad data. The main issue is that the Republicans are supporting the base of the groups that yell the loudest, and think they are supporting a majority."

      "Yell the loudest" is best translated as "give the most money".
      They have very good data on their donors and they follow this data. Their rich donors want less government regulation and lower taxes so they can make more money. They also have a few fringe wacko social issues (abortion, racists, misogynists, etc.) who help rally "the little people".

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    16. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > advocate positions that benefit the minority and harm the majority.

      Exactly. Now that a minority of adults pay taxes, the GOPpers lower tax/lower government spending position doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Why would I vote for a Republican when my income tax rate was negative last year? Instead, I want taxes increased on the people that are already paying. That is what benefits the majority.

    17. Re:Waste of Time by harrkev · · Score: 0

      ????? Proof???

      To me, at least, the GOP is not about money to the rich. They are about trying to keep a balanced budget. I don't know about you, but I have a wife and kids to support. I am certainly smart enough to know that living off of a credit card is not the key to happiness. Sure, it would be great for about a three or four months, but eventually the credit cards reach their maximum, and then the party is over. The latest fight over extending unemployment benefits went something like this:

      Dems: We need to keep unemployment going for much longer.

      GOP: Sure. Just find a way to pay for it without putting it on the credit card.

      Dems: But.... but.... the credit card is free money! We won't get the bill until after I am out of office!

      The left keeps on waging a war on people who are successful. I do not understand why. I do know that a lot of people have money who do not really deserve it (inheritance, investment banker, etc.), but a lot of things in life are unfair, and a lot of people have money who DO deserve it (followed their dream, worked hard, made wise choices, etc.) Punishing the successful is not exactly a way to make people want to succeed.

      One thing to keep in mind is that taxing the "rich" has a very nasty side effect. Companies are legal entities, and they are "rich." Increasing taxes on companies will leave less money to hire new employees. It also makes it more expensive to be here, and is the reason that so many companies set up other corporations outside of the US (Cayman Islands, for example -- Wikipedia page) Yup, Cayman islands gets those jobs instead of the US.

      Now, if there were no loopholes, then the rich would certainly pay more than their fair share of taxes. They use the same roads that I do, use the same police and fire services, and yet pay a lot more.

      Now, about tax "loopholes." Some of that may indeed be the result of lobbyists buying favors from politicians. However, tax "loopholes" are often used by the government as a carrot to make people and businesses to do what they want. For example, hybrid cars and alternative energy earn tax credits.

      By the way, the top two richest people in America (Gates and Buffett) are Democrats. The third (Ellson) is kind of in the middle politically, so you cannot characterize all rich guys as evil white republicans.

      It is also interesting to read the wikipedia pages of the richest people. Other than the Wal-Mart children, they are generally self-made billionaires. While the Walton family did inherit their money, they got it from a man who literally built a retail empire from the ground-up.

      When you do not have any money, it is all to easy to point at the people who have worked hard to achieve success and blame them.

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    18. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Score:-1, Flamebait)

      Oh dear! How the truth hurts your delicate sensibilities!

    19. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > most Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act

      And they ended slavery. There's a reason that racists vote Democrat because they love their welfare-state policies that keep blacks out of work and in projects.

    20. Re:Waste of Time by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well how many Republican voters don't vote in the Election because they think all the candidates are batshit crazy. And if you look at the past presidential elections the more moderate of the candidates seem to have win.
      McCain, was considered rather moderate republican. However due to his age (people feared he could die in office) and having Palin (who is too far right) as the VP scared voters off... Combined with the Mess blamed on Bush.
      Romney also won the primaries was a rather moderate republican too, compared to the other nutters. However he messed up by trying to befriend the far right, and couldn't back track to his more moderate ways. His etechasketch just didn't work.

      The big problem I see is that they don't know the real issues that are affecting the populous. They figure because a lot of people don't like Obamacare, that it will be enough. Well it isn't sure it could be the majority doesn't care for it, however it may not be enough to change voters minds.

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    21. Re:Waste of Time by AvitarX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you write down a list of position statements and don't attach a brand/party to it, and then ask people what they agree/disagree with, republican _positions_ do pretty well.

      This is essentially what Howard Dean said after the 2012 election. He basically said that if you could excise the theocrats (those that legislate based on their morals that come from a religious text) you'd have a party that'd be hard to beat, and that would be a good thing, because the Democrats would have to be better and on their game. Even the manifest destiny branch resonates with a huge amount of the population, it really is the theocratic branch that ruins the party.

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    22. Re:Waste of Time by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Of course benefits outweigh payments in general, we overspend collected money by 30%.

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    23. Re:Waste of Time by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      The only time I recall budgets really getting handled are Democratic presidents with Republican controlled house (Clinton, Obama (sort of), vs bush and bush).

      I do give a lot of credit to first Bush with falling on his sword upping taxes a bit, allowing Clinton to have a little more to work with.

      As I see it though, we have tax-cut and borrow and spend Republicans, and borrow and spend Democrats, with no party really about balancing the budget on their own.

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    24. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The left keeps on waging a war on people who are successful

      Less than a 1/3 of the people in this country paid federal taxes (99,880,223, http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/index.html as of 2005), and I read that number has decreased by about 5% since then, but I couldn't find a good newer source. People that work hard enough to owe taxes are outnumbered by more than 2 to 1. Democracies represent the majority, and the majority does not pay. That's why it is the morally right thing to do to increase taxes on that minority since governments should represent the majority. That is why the GOPpers scam to lower taxes is dishonest.

    25. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      increased on the people that are already paying

      They are the minority, so that is the appropriate action for a Democracy.

      That is what benefits the majority.

      Agreed! The racist Republicans just don't get that they do not pay enough in taxes.

    26. Re:Waste of Time by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      Name one race in the past 6 years where the Democrats nominated an unelectable candidate and lost what should have been an easily winnable election.

    27. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right that we're living off credit cards. We've been there since 2000. Should we stop: yes. Can we without destroying our entire economy: no. Here's why.

      You're talking about politics from a microscopic level. This takes all these events out of context of the larger environment. Democrats aren't kids running up charges on dad's credit card with the stern Republican father saying no. We're at a point where many of the heads of major companies are all hitting the limits of their growth and pushing for political change to gain more resources. This is why global trade (for market growth), off-shoring (for cheaper labor) and wars (to adapt old countries to new economic models and to sell expensive weapons) are occurring. We're hitting our limits of cheap energy (oil) and our economic engine is starting to stutter. Up until this point we (decades of US leadership) expected continued exponential growth and thought that we could afford to put any and all expenses on our credit card since we'd just pay it off with all our fortune. Turns out that's a bad idea because infinite growth is a fantasy without infinite energy to fuel it. Now we're at a point where we continually lose a large fraction of the jobs we employed our citizens with due to off-shoring and technological advances and of course due to a horrific collapse to housing bubble wiping out the wealth of millions. Now our president who sees the destructive nature of the decay of our unregulated economy and attempting to put restraints on it, as any president would regardless of affiliation, and patch it (by keeping people paid) until our economy can grow new jobs to hire those people. Until then we're in dire straits since we're likely not going to grow unless we move to a new energy source like renewable or nuclear. Neither of those are likely though since we can't be trusted to run nuclear plants safely and people seem to think renewable energy, despite numerous feasibility studies, is a liberal fantasy.

      All the playing-field level arguments you specify are really just symptoms of a larger problem and if you don't see the larger problem, it's easy to think all "blues" are jealous and angry at successful people and all "reds" are noble creatures to be revered for their honor, persistence and dedication, but really the very large poor hard working mass of people are being fired, bankrupted and then called lazy moochers for nothing they did wrong. It's easy to think they had the same opportunity as you but it's not reality. The world is a very large complicated place and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll see nearly every other person is a lot like you. They work hard to survive but were at the wrong place at the wrong time when the ish hit the fan.

    28. Re:Waste of Time by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      remember, most Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act

      That's true but highly misleading. Voting on the Civil Rights Act went entirely by geography, not party. In the 60 years since, the Southern states that opposed it are now solidly Republican.

      Here's how the voting went-
      House of Representatives:
      Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
      Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
      Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
      Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
      Senate:
      Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
      Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
      Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
      Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

    29. Re:Waste of Time by microbox · · Score: 1

      They figure because a lot of people don't like Obamacare, that it will be enough

      They've convinced themselves that the ACA is a winning issue... and they've certainly screamed and hollered about it... but by 2016 it will be a totally stupid gambit to continue pushing this line. They'll have to do better than that. In particular, they'll have to grow a spin and stop pandering to the nutters.

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    30. Re:Waste of Time by microbox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you write down a list of position statements and don't attach a brand/party to it, and then ask people what they agree/disagree with, republican _positions_ do pretty well.

      Citation need. Care to link the study that supports your position? Because the GOP is against the mainstream on all of their hobby-horses. It all depends on how you ask the questions, of course, and cue the volumous motivated reasoning. Remember, the Romney was going to win in a landslide, right? Studies showed it!

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    31. Re:Waste of Time by microbox · · Score: 1

      To get my vote, the GOP would have to get rid of the anti-science bullpucky. The theocrats I don't mind in-so-far as they are science based. (They are not.) The Tea Party I can take in-so-far as they are science/data driven. (They are conspiratorial nutters who mistake armchair philosophy for erudition.) I am a true conservative, in that I do not believe in radical change. The GOP has too much credibility in recent years, and stand to do as much damage to society as the communists did to Eastern Europe, and for precisely the same reasons: attempting to project their psychotic "realities" on the rest of us in the name of FREEDOM!!!.

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    32. Re:Waste of Time by microbox · · Score: 1

      For the first time in history the young are voting,

      Yeah, we're almost back to 1972 levels when 52% of people between 18 and 21 voted.

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    33. Re:Waste of Time by microbox · · Score: 1

      The real theme is limiting the federal government to its enumerated Constitutional powers, not a desire to promote anarchy.

      Well, Mike Lofgren who we actually there when the strategy was made reports that the official GOP strategy was to break government, and then claim it doesn't work. Deeply cynical? Yes.

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    34. Re:Waste of Time by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I feel the theocrats are a large part of the Tea Party (am I just brainwashed by liberal media?), though I don't think it started that way, it just seems that Tea Party candidates has theocratic backing in primaries.

      They anti-science is bad, but the social issues are where I feel most strongly, I want equal rights for homosexual members of my family, I want plentiful birth-control for the women I sleep with (OK, as an adult this is less of an issue, but I was young once, and it was a thing that I appreciated), I don't like abortions, but I prefer them to dealing with the bratty children of teenagers that had just enough sense to want an abortion (but not enough to keep sperm away from eggs).

      I don't think I'm particularly unique either, because in 2012 the economy was the #1 (from polls) issue, and the majority of voters thought Romney would handle the economy better (same polls), but in the end, everything else combined lead to a Democratic victory, and I'm sure there were a lot of moderates lost on the anti gay-rights and the general perception of puritan drug policy, unfortunately, the republicans feel like the party of big government lately (military spending, and legislating against things we do at home), bigger than democrats, but a different kind of big. Because the parties vote as a block for most things at the national level, I couldn't even vote for a good candidate until the party as a whole backs off (my local and state government votes are actually about 50/50 between the parties though, I'm not a total loony).

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    35. Re:Waste of Time by bmajik · · Score: 1

      It's based on conversations with people that run polls at state fairs, etc.

      They run into lots of people that are apolitical, and don't necessary identify with anyone.

      Remember, the broad positions of the republican party aren't necessarily what gets the republicans into the headlines.

      Your reply is at least as problematic is whatever your issue is with what I wrote. You don't describe what "mainstream" is, and you don't specify what issues you think are GOP issues that are contentious. But if I read between the lines and guess, even your claim is false.

      For instance, republicans are lambasted by democrats for being anti-abortion. If you take at face value that republicans are anti-abortion, then it's a simple matter of asking, "ok, is that position against the mainstream" ?

      Well, you can decide what the mainstream is, but on that particular issue, here is what one poll found:

      http://www.gallup.com/poll/157...

      The liberal position is often thought to be "abortion anytime, anywhere, any reason, all paid for by others"

      There is very little support for that position according to gallup.

      The republican position is _advertised_ as being "anyone who ever aborts for any reason should go to jail", but of course that's not the actual position. The republican position can best be described as "there should be some limits on abortion".

      And that is the statement overwhelmingly the favorite on the gallup poll I mentioned.

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    36. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it just seems that Tea Party candidates has theocratic backing in primaries.

      If you look into the GOP demographics, you'll see that the Tea Party is quite distinct from the Christian Right. Now the later likes the Tea Party because they perceive the Tea Party as sticking it to the godless liberals -- but they have many different beliefs, and beliefs are actually important in politics.

      I happen to agree with some Tea Party and Evangelical positions, but am appalled by the anti-intellectualism. For example, I hate abortion, which is why I support sex education and access to contraception. (The life begins at conception is just made-up whole cloth so that evangelicals can sound scientific -- just like intelligent design.) I also believe in limited government and Hayeking economic principles. (But this should be data driven -- so, for example, taxing the rich a tiny bit more is a small sin compared to balancing the budget, and the Tea Party will not support cutting the parts of government that really need to be cut: medicare, social security, and the military. The reason is that many Tea Partiers are older white people who collect social security and medicare.)

    37. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want to see something interesting? Go to youtube. Lookup 'howard stern voters'.

      You will see people do not vote on policy but on what team they belong to.

      He literally switched the talking points around and read them word for word. Many of the ones he showed had 0 idea what they were talking about. Attributing 'good' ideas from McCain as Obama ideas and the other way around.

      Do not delude yourself into thinking 'democrats are smart' and 'republicans are dumb'. Most people vote on who the party they belong to. With a *small* minority voting on ideas.

      I have seen issues flip flop depending on who is in power. 10 years ago in my state it was the Democrats pushing for no net neutrality. Guess who it is now and which way the teams are voting? It has nothing to do with doing the correct thing. It has everything to do with campaign contributions.

      If you want a funny look on it I suggest watching this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104114/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

      While not true it has many of the ideas that our political people in power use. It all depends on *who* you want to get money from. But in the movie our hero does not go that road. In reality there are no heroes.

    38. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's based on conversations with people that run polls at state fairs, etc.

      Anecdote is not data. Get a degree in political science and you'd never say something so spectacularly silly.

      Regarding abortion -- most liberals are against it too. So have you found the exception that proves the rule? Not so fast. The GOP supports specifically the policies that increase the amount of abortion in society: stupid sex education, restricting access to contraception, and taking welfare away from single mothers. Each of these independently has been shown to increase the amount of abortion in society. On the converse, banning abortion does little but drive women to coat-hangers, and into the hands of unscrupulous "doctors".

      The abortion issue is a classic example of the politics of perversity.

    39. Re:Waste of Time by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      My perception was the Tea Party was a people's movement to lean on politicians, as it grew in power, the people that really started to identify with it resembled the Constitution party, the small government, except for government wants to manage your day to day life types.

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    40. Re:Waste of Time by bmajik · · Score: 1

      Critically, Most liberal politicians are NOT against abortion.

      The much discussed GOP "war on women" has abortion rights as a central prong. It wouldn't really reinforce that narrative if the talking points were, "democrats and republicans feel about the same way about abortion", now would it?

      Yes, I'm aware of the difference between anecdote and data. Don't be so asinine.

      The point here is that people -- especially those who aren't political activists -- often vote by party brand more than by policy positions. I think the original contention was that the republican party primarily has a branding problem -- a well deserved one -- and that the majority of its people and positions aren't intolerably stupid (at least as far as politicians go)

      The fact that such an amazingly hyped incumbent like Obama didn't have a much wider victory margin over such an underwhelming disappointment like Romney, should give a sense of how NOT cut and dry the GOP disadvantage is.

      The GOP needs to make up some ground, but the problems are entirely of their own making, and solvable by them if they are honest about confronting them.

      And, of course, in 30-40 years everyone currently running the GOP will be dead. So, reform will happen one way or another.

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    41. Re:Waste of Time by smugfunt · · Score: 1

      ask people what they agree/disagree with, republican _positions_ do pretty well.

      Many Republican positions are what I would regard as American positions. Mom and Apple Pie. Their problem is people don't believe they really mean it.

      liberty advocates, and social conservatives

      It's interesting to me that you lump these two together as if they are close cousins. To me they are opposites:
      liberty advocate == liberal
      social conservative == authoritarian
      As a non-American this confusion seems to me to be behind much of the futility of US political discourse. As with most political confusions there are those who actively promote it.

    42. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You appear to be operating with a very poor economics education.

      The difference between a national economy and a household, the actual effects of taxation, and the fact that corporations are taxed on profits, is all stuff that should have been covered in a freshman level curriculum.

      The US national debt is not like a credit card, because the US mints it's own currency and all its debts are in that currency. The reason the US doesn't just print money and pay the debts off is because having the debt is preferable to increased inflation.

      Taxation does not discourage success. Show me a person who decided "I'm not going to implement my million dollar idea because it'll be taxed at a percentage rate" and I'll show you someone who's too stupid to adequately execute a million dollar idea.

      Because corporations are taxed on profits, the best way to avoid paying taxes is to rack up more costs. This could be in capital expenditure or increased wages, but either way no corporation pays taxes unless they want to (usually because the board wants their dividends).

    43. Re:Waste of Time by bmajik · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to me that you lump these two together as if they are close cousins. To me they are opposites:
      liberty advocate == liberal
      social conservative == authoritarian
      As a non-American this confusion seems to me to be behind much of the futility of US political discourse. As with most political confusions there are those who actively promote it.

      Ok. Here's what I assert it means in the US.

      "Conservative" - someone who has a preference for tradition -- for the aspects of society, culture, and governance that have worked up until now. Wishes to see these establishments continue; sees tampering or tinkering with them as dangerous radicalism unless there is a pressing need. Values equality of opportunity

      "liberal" - someone who has no apparently preference for tradition. Agent of social change. Looking to tweak the assumptions and institutions of society. Values equality of outcomes.

      Sadly, in the US, both groups are very willing to use authoritarian methods to suppress those they disagree with.

      I'm a liberal in the Hayek sense.

      It is usually not worthwhile to think about political groupings on a 1 dimensional axis. The Nolan chart and the Pournelle chart are both more interesting and offer greater understanding. For instance, on a Nolan chart I'm a pure libertarian. Though I self-identified earlier as a social conservative, that is not my governing philosophy.

      On a Pournelle Chart, I am on the far left ("state as ultimate evil"), but somewhat unsure of where I fall on the y-axis. I find aspects of both Objectivism and classical anarchy desirable and interesting, yet they are at opposite ends of the axis on the Pournelle chart.

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    44. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it's not a waste of time, because fundraising is still a big issue and these analytics were highly successful in doing so. Obama skirted a lot of the campaign finance laws because most of the regulations are aimed at large institutional spenders whereas the lions share of his donations were based heavily on small donors, so he was able to outspend his opponents. That is not nothing, and is something the RNC needs to at least try to emulate, or they'll be playing by more restrictive rules than their opponents.

      However, the RNC's brand was seriously damaged by one thing: the rise of Neocons on the hard right. GWBush and his folks got into power and quickly consolidated power, eliminating or hamstringing any competing subgroups within the RNC, meaning most conservatives had to be on board with the neo-con agenda or go with something less palatable for them, the Democrat agenda. They then went with a heavy handed foreign policy and a strong right domestic agenda, resulting in a lot of turmoil that got them thrown out, and all other conservatives, neo-con or not with them.

      The Democrats are facing a similar problem though. Obama's new, younger cadre of Dems is a little too left of the center for most folks, but again he is the Dem's GWBush: he consolidated power by hamstringing the other potential groups within the DNC so they had to get behind him. I think the DNC groups, specifically the older Clinton faction, are a little more entrenched so he never fully consolidated, but he's thrown down a lot of folks. Now people are seeing him as ineffective and untrustworthy, which is damaging the DNC brand.

      This is mostly a result of this populist form of politics we've seen come about the last 25-30 years. It used to be that conventions actually chose the candidates for election; now it's simply a coming-out formality; the campaign starts years before the convention and it's mostly populist BS, playing specifically to their base to focus on getting elected, which is in the long run detrimental to the party as well as the country. In this day and age, in this type of electoral cycle, the great statesmen of our history like FDR, Wilson, or Lincoln would never be elected.

    45. Re:Waste of Time by smugfunt · · Score: 1

      It is usually not worthwhile to think about political groupings on a 1 dimensional axis.

      I agree, though I favour the Eysenck chart, which seems to be the uncredited basis of the Political Compass.

      I more or less agree with your liberal/conservative definitions except what you call a liberal is what I would call a radical. Equality of opportunity is a radical idea which conservatives are not at all concerned with. Equality of outcome is a conservative bugbear, liberals and radicals hope to limit disparity, they don't expect to eliminate it. Elimination is an authoritarian idea :-)

      All mainstream American politics is in the conservative/authoritarian quadrant. I am in the opposite radical/liberal quadrant, along with anarchists, democratic socialists, greens, Ghandi, Mandela, etc.

    46. Re:Waste of Time by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      One-party rule will be a disaster for our nation. Detroit was ruled by one party for 30 years, and look where it got them.

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    47. Re:Waste of Time by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      Republicans don't need tech or an agenda attractive to the majority to win elections, they learned a different tactic. They have a small hardcore of voters who do vote in local elections, unlike most. Add in Citizens United, and now money can outright buy an election with low turnout. That gave them control of many state legislatures, and that then allows them to push through voter ID suppression laws; along with ruthless redistricting in 2010 to pack democrat voters into a handful of very, very democratic districts, while giving republican candidates a much larger number of districts with narrow republican victories. And having entrenched their control of state legislatures, they roll back at the state level many of the civil liberty victories of the last 100 years.

      You can see the same tactic with stuffing educational boards with the continuous attempts to insert religion into the science curriculum.

      Getting out the vote for a Democratic presidential candidate is one thing; but the Democrats have a lot to learn about winning local elections from the Republicans and the Tea Party, or rather, from their wealthy backers.

      Who needs to win an election the old fashioned way, when you can just use huge corporate slush funds to fool the gullible and fearful and declare a significant portion of your opponent's voters ineligible to vote?

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    48. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The republican position is _advertised_ as being "anyone who ever aborts for any reason should go to jail", but of course that's not the actual position. The republican position can best be described as "there should be some limits on abortion".

      What a load of horseshit! The Republican position actually is "anyone who ever aborts for any reason should go to jail". And they're combining that with a strong anti-birth-control message. They have been actively pushing this toxic garbage in every state legislature they control, to the point where abortion rights are already effectively gone in many "red" states. They are actively pushing it at the national level, but have made less progress because they don't control the national level that effectively. They are pushing it in the courts, with cases in the works that they hope will allow the conservative-dominated Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade.

      How on earth you have managed to delude yourself into thinking this is just meaningless rhetoric to buy off loony voters is beyond me. The loons are in control of the Republican primary process, and they are overwhelmingly selecting ideologically committed candidates who absolutely do wholeheartedly support these positions.

    49. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah...Detroit's problems has everything to do with Democratic rule as opposed to Republican/Conservative economic poliies that more or less killed the city and the rest of the Mid-West that depended on the auto industry....oh...wait....

    50. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the rich donors actually want MORE regulation, they just want this kind of regulation:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008

      Why admit that you made a bad investment and take a loss when you can just convince your good friend the senator to have the government to pay your bills for you?

    51. Re:Waste of Time by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      This may be the most useful response I've seen to the GOP vs. DNC votes on the Civil Rights Act meme. BTW, which Civil Rights Act? I'm assuming '64 rather than '60 or '68. (or the voting rights act of '65)

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    52. Re:Waste of Time by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Mandatory voting would be a horrible idea and would just make the problem worse. It would just encourage more people to vote based on what side of the bed they woke up on during election day. I can't tell you how many people I know vote for whoever they vote for for the most absurd reasons -- anywhere ranging from "because my friends are voting for him" to "because I think we need a black president" (that's the exact reason my sister voted for that moron, by the way.)

      Most people can't be assed to do their research on their candidates, and so they won't. They've got other things they'd rather deal with than what is IMO a really cheesy soap opera that we call our political system.

      Oh and by the way, both sides like to claim that their side wins whenever you get the highest voter turnout, but reality doesn't really favor any one side in that department. All of the major elections in recent memory were largest ever at their time, including Bush '04.

      Besides, you probably wouldn't want somebody like me to vote anyways, because if forced to vote I can almost guarantee you I'd vote for a candidate that you yourself wouldn't like.

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    53. Re:Waste of Time by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 1

      In particular, they'll have to grow a spin and stop pandering to the nutters.

      At first I thought you meant "grow a spine." Then I realized that growing a spin makes way more sense when you're talking about politicians...

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    54. Re:Waste of Time by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      1964 was the big one.

    55. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warning - I'm a NYC democrat (though living in LA). I'm a bit confused by this statement: "They've long since given up their founding principles of being pro-liberty (remember, most Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act)". Do you mean that their backing the Civil Rights Act was evidence of their having abandoned their pro-liberty stance, or evidence of their erstwhile pro-liberty stance, which they have since abandoned? Libertarians I know would regard the Civil Rights Act as very anti-individual liberty, because liberty means (in their view) the liberty to be an asshole, too, just like free speech includes the right to say awful things.
      BTW, one of the several reasons I reject US-style libertarianism (not liberty, but the -ism) is that it is advocated by the strong to protect their right to bully the weak. In the Deep South, the only liberty that mattered was that of the aristocratic slave-owners.

    56. Re:Waste of Time by tangle001 · · Score: 1

      I say you are right. I would also add they accept second place willingly. Second place is good enough for their purposes, they only have to have the occasional win so as to keep a place at the table, They are really not interested in government, just the occasional good story - omg the Ds like a good story too - they both and all wish to push us around like farm animals by any means necessary. If they really wanted to win elections they would only have to craft a message that's not contaminated so bad that independents can't tolerate it, not that hard, they are just not interested.

    57. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kerry still looks out of touch

    58. Re:Waste of Time by laird · · Score: 1

      "Now that a minority of adults pay taxes"

      This is wildly incorrect. Everyone pays taxes. You're focused only on income tax, which is only 40% of tax revenue, and pretending that it's 100% of taxes paid.

      Keep in mind that income tax is just one tax, which taxes only people with incomes above the median, and which has never been collected from much more than 50% of the population. This is the case because people with no income (e.g. retired, kids, students) and people with very low incomes (e.g. people working full time for minimum wage) constitute about half the population. The percentage paying income tax dropped because of the Republican tax breaks (which they were proud of, and which raised the minimum taxed income) and the Bush recession (which pushed down incomes generally). So Republicans complaining that their policies did exactly what they were intended to do is a little weird.

      But remember, everyone pays the 60% of taxes that aren't tied to income, and in fact the poor pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than people making higher incomes, because their money is spent on gas and other taxed purchases, while people who are better off save or invest (which gets massive tax breaks compared to earned income).

    59. Re:Waste of Time by laird · · Score: 1

      Because the population of the country is going up, nearly every election has more voters than previous elections. But if you look at the percentage of the population voting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections), it's been around 55% since 1920, and in fact the percent of the population voting in the last two elections (over 57% both times) was higher than any election since 1968. The two Bush Jr elections were 51% and 55%.

      What's also striking is that elections before 1900 had around 80% voter participation, then it dropped to below 50% (1920, 1924), then has been roughly level since then.

      So (1) people aren't voting less now than in previous elections - if anything, voter participation is higher than it's been in decades. And (2) what happened in 1900 that changed voting so dramatically?

      As for it being a bad thing if everyone votes, the US is a Democracy based on the legitimacy of the elections representing the will of all of the people. If enough people stop voting, the elections, and thus the country, lose legitimacy. That's why most people think that it's important to encourage voting, by making it easy to register to vote, by having enough polling stations for people to vote, etc., and they tend to regard moves to prevent voting as un-American.

      And as for the relative number of (self-identified) Democrats and Republicans, the numbers are well known (e.g. http://www.gallup.com/poll/159...), with Democrats consistently outnumbering Republicans. The only time that Gallup has ever polled Republicans leading Democrats was in 1991, when Bush Sr's popularity was boosted shortly after the Persian Gulf War.

      So how does a minoritory part retain power? By manipulating the game. For example, Republicans' gerrymandering managed to give them control of the House despite their getting over a million fewer votes than the Democrats in House elections.

  4. Parabellum by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmmm. What message are they giving here?
    Parabellum, n
    Definition: a type of semiautomatic pistol or machine-gun; also called Luger, also written parabellum
    Etymology: Latin 'for war'

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    1. Re:Parabellum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More accurately, "Prepare for War".

      Figures that the Republicans would wage war on their fellow countrymen.

    2. Re:Parabellum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're one of those Gawker readers who doesn't fact check anything, do you?

      "Para Bellum" it is not *defined* as a semi-automatic pistol (the P08 Luger) or a machine gun (the Parabellum MG14, which doesn't even fire 9x19 Parabellum), the name just happens to have been applied to those weapons. "Para Bellum" doesn't simply translate as "War", it translates as "Prepare for War". It comes from the Latin phrase "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum", which translates as, "If you desire Peace, prepare for War".

    3. Re:Parabellum by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      I expect it is to save their fellow countrymen. The "change" America got isn't the change that it wants.

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    4. Re:Parabellum by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Probably thinking "Hey, cerebellum, that's part of the thinkin' meats, right? Lets make it sound like that!"

    5. Re:Parabellum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      para bellum is a term used with regard to firearms to designate a weapon designed for military use as opposed to a weapon designed for civilan use. Originally, it was just part of product descriptions.

    6. Re:Parabellum by Nimey · · Score: 2

      Uh, /no/. Parabellum is used as a nickname for 9x19mm NATO pistol ammunition, "9mm Parabellum", and that was from the motto of the original designing company.

      Para was used in the names of a few other period German weapons such as the MG08 and had the same provenance, from that company's motto.

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    7. Re:Parabellum by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      I expect it is to save their fellow countrymen. The "change" America got isn't the change that it wants.

      As an Obama voter, I'd agree that he's been a bit of a disappointment (though probably for the opposite of many reason you'd think so), but this sort of self-rationalization for partisan political warfare is frankly why politics has gotten so utterly broken and dysfunctional in the past twenty years.

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    8. Re:Parabellum by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

      Close, but I would add: "But we have no idea how this science stuff works! It's all spooky... all... paranormal. That's it! Parabellum!"

    9. Re:Parabellum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a great many people designing cartridges. Typically, the designs make trade offs consistent with the intended purpose of the cartridge. Some are hunting cartridges. Some are military cartridges. Some are for home defense. Some are for sniping. Some are for varmint control.

      It is true that Parabellum has become strongly associated with the now-standard 9mm NATO round, but originally it was just a term used in product descriptions and marketing material.

    10. Re:Parabellum by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Do you have a point, or are you simply unable to admit when you're wrong?

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    11. Re:Parabellum by Libertarian_Geek · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. What message are they giving here? Parabellum, n Definition: a type of semiautomatic pistol or machine-gun; also called Luger, also written parabellum Etymology: Latin 'for war'

      Wow... where to start...
      Semi-auto machine gun. Semi-auto is one shot per trigger pull. Machine guns are capable of full-auto fire. Semi-autos are not.

      No, Parabellum isn't a pistol of any sort. There's a pistol cartridge (9x19, 9mm Luger) that's also known as 9mm Parabellum. It's extremely common around the world.
      Yes, parabellum is Latin. But the word pre-dated its use in ammunition. Obviously.
      "bellum" is latin for war.
      Antebellum (as in after the war) and Parabellum (as in "with" or "in a war").

      The connections that you so poorly tried to establish are as bad as the guys that are trying to say that because the Nazi's used 9mm Parabellum in WWII, that this is a link between the GOP and Nazis. Either way, it's just bad politics when people try to make up any type of a connection imaginable to discredit the other team.
      Before you try and guess, no, I'm not a fan of the GOP. I'm also not a fan of people adding mud to the murky waters of political debate.
      Now, can't we drop the silly little kids games and the forget the my-team vs your-team while real issues get discussed?

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    12. Re:Parabellum by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      feel free to write to dictionary.com with your critique.

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  5. Beyond War? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    It would be an appropriate name if it were anti bellum, since nixon's southern strategy explains the disfunction of the GOP today. Para Bellum means "ultimate warfare".

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    1. Re:Beyond War? by Robear · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're looking for "antebellum", which is used to differentiate the American South in the pre-Civil War period from that of later times. It is a homophone of "anti-bellum" but has an entirely different meaning.

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    2. Re:Beyond War? by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Para bellum" is usually known from "Si vis pacem, para bellum", which means, roughly, "If you want peace, prepare for war." The problem is I think the Republicans A) forgot that first part and B) probably shouldn't consider the democratic process as a kind of war (this is a political data analytics thing, so that's the only logical interpretation). That they do explains a lot about their thought process in the past few years.

    3. Re:Beyond War? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are over thinking it, it is just an Americanism. We have war on this war on that, my office is going through a redesign and we're going to have 3 dedicated War Rooms. War simply means shit got real and we need to work on this.

    4. Re:Beyond War? by imp · · Score: 1

      Also, it is the name of a Nazi gun more commonly known as the Luger...

    5. Re:Beyond War? by goombah99 · · Score: 2

      And dont' forget Auntie Bellum, that hell rais'n sister of your mother. Yes I mixed it up, even intendeding to get the right one and writing the wrong one.

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    6. Re:Beyond War? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Also, it is the name of a Nazi gun more commonly known as the Luger...

      A Nazi gun??? The parabellum (aka Luger) was patented in 1898, and began production in 1900.

      Which, if you're not aware, predated the Nazis by a few years.

      If you're looking for a real "Nazi gun", you might want to look at the Walther P-38, which replaced the Luger as the German Army's standard sidearm starting in 1938.

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    7. Re:Beyond War? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      I think you are over thinking it, it is just an Americanism. We have war on this war on that, my office is going through a redesign and we're going to have 3 dedicated War Rooms. War simply means shit got real and we need to work on this.

      No, that is the problem. War is an ugly situation in which your opponents are "the enemy" and brutal measures may be needed to defeat them and bring victory. You don't compromise until you've either won, lost, or ground both sides down to the point of being unable to continue. War is something to be avoided.

      Embracing the war metaphor is a good part of why America is so incredibly screwed up right now. The War on Drugs is probably the foremost example, but the war mentality in politics has been a huge part of why we have a no-compromise legislature that is so enamored with Pyrrhic victories right now. Because war means "winning," and that's all that matters.

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    8. Re:Beyond War? by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

      B) probably shouldn't consider the democratic process as a kind of war

      Politics is war without bullets, to paraphrase von Clausewitz.*

      In other parts of the world, where assassinations and the like are common, that definition is a bit more flexible.

      The reality is that the top political positions in the US are the most powerful positions in the world. And they are bitterly contested. While the face the parties must present to the public is of little girls with pink bows in their hair, puppy dogs and rainbows, to the politicians and their dedicated operatives, it is a vicious business. And the RNC accidentally revealed a bit of that.

      It's like in Vietnam. There was the "Studies and Observations Group" - SOG. A mild name for a commando unit carrying out dangerous and deadly special operations. It's useful to keep the public focused on their bread and circuses, except when it becomes necessary to alarm them so as to rally to your cause (left or right).
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    9. Re:Beyond War? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the swastika predates the Nazis by much, much longer. So if they used that as their logo it definitely wouldn't reflect poorly upon them, right?

  6. Think Tanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only work if you believe them when they tell you things you don't want to hear, rather than make up reality that seems convenient. Otherwise, their only useful function is to provide intellectual pseudo technobabble to quasi justify your otherwise indefensible position.

    You can have any position you like, but you either embrace the truth, or you don't. Obama himself may have lied and lied and lied, but he listened to his advisors and implemented their advice. How many would be dictators did otherwise and reaped the whirlwind for it?

    Mitt Romney is from a religion that encourages you to invent the truth as you go along to comport to the greater truth that your Church is True, and in Romney's case he believed he was Chosen of God...so Rove kept insisting the numbers would serve him, rather than report the truth.

    Let us presume that this Para Bellum labs will have all of the most brilliant people in the @#$@# world because Throw Money(tm)....the people RUNNING IT still can't seem to address the truth that people don't like their ideas, and they're growing resistant to the lies being generated, and NOW they've awakened real opposition...

  7. Surprised the Republicans are still so far behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Clinton campaign was the first to extensively use cell phones, laptops, and email. The HW Bush campaign was still writing letters. That mobility was key to a relatively unknown Arkansas governor with plenty of scandal in his background winning that election.

  8. Anti ante [Re:Beyond War?] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    anti-bellum would be "against war," which would be a good name for a pacifist party, but not so good for the Republicans, who are in general a pro-military, pro-war organization.
    You're thinking "antebellum," before the war; in the U.S., usually referring (with nostalgia) to the slave-holding south before the Civil War.

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    1. Re:Anti ante [Re:Beyond War?] by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      yep.

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    2. Re:Anti ante [Re:Beyond War?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do I really need to point out that Wilson got the US into WWI, FDR got the US into WWII, JFK got the US into Viet Nam, Clinton sent troops into conflicts everywhere he could or that Obama has continued Bush's interventionist policies? Don't be confused by the use of drones and the substitution of mercenaries ("civilian contractors") for the regular military. Obama isn't really withdrawing the US from the ME.

      The entire political class likes to play with toy soldiers, not just the RP. Also, as a loyal Democrat, you shouldn't talk about the old south. It was the DP that defended slavery, created segregation, created Jim Crow and created the current welfare state plantation and the piss-poor education system of today which continues to hold American blacks in a state of misery.

    3. Re:Anti ante [Re:Beyond War?] by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      On the otherhan the civil war killed more americans than all the other wars combined. But do i really need to point out that since Nixon, the republican and democratic parties dont resemble their former selves? barry goldwater and even ronald reagan would be leftist outcasts. walter mondale and hubert humphrey would be unwelcome in the democratic party. in the last couple decades the gop is belicose. Thats a fact. but it doesn't have to be a permenant condition. BTW, Johnston the Texan got us in to Vietnam. I'd say there certainly is a diffenence between drones and mercenaries as well. perhaps you are confused or able to see that things change?

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    4. Re:Anti ante [Re:Beyond War?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clinton sent troops into conflicts everywhere he could

      Except for the one place he probably should have, Rwanda.

  9. Do they need it? by 0123456 · · Score: 2

    If Republicans wanted to win the last election, they wouldn't have picked Romney as their candidate. Either they had no idea that their own supporters would rather stay home than hold their noses and vote for him (and you didn't need fancy analytic software for that, just common sense), or they intentionally gave Obama the win.

    1. Re:Do they need it? by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Republican primaries were a gauntlet of Tea Party idiots. So everyone had to steer to the extreme far right to win their support to get on the ballot.

      Then, during the general election, they had to steer to the middle. To, you know, actually get votes.

      You can't appeal to the fringe and the center at the same time. Appeal to the base of Tea Party nutbags, and middle America won't vote for you, you disgust them. Appeal to middle America, and the Tea Party nutbags won't vote for you, just as you say in your comment. A house divided, yada yada yada

      If the Republicans don't fix this problem, they are going to lose again in 2016. And 2020, 2024, etc.

      Personally, as a Democrat, I love the Tea Party: sabotaging the Republican Party from within.

      There is no bigger friend for Democratic domination of the Presidency (and, with demographic trends, increasingly the House and Senate in the long term, even with Republican gerrymandering) than the Tea Party.

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    2. Re:Do they need it? by ehynes · · Score: 1

      And who among the other Republican contenders who lost to him in the Republican primaries would have done a better job against Obama in a general election?

    3. Re:Do they need it? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      That happens to some degree every election: the primary they swing in the direction of their party, then in the general they have to swing back to the middle. It was only unusual last time because politics have gone so far to the right.

      I'd argue that they may have lost the last battle, but they've essentially won the war. Obama's signature accomplishment was basically a republican plan.

    4. Re:Do they need it? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Personally, as a Democrat, I love the Tea Party: sabotaging the Republican Party from within.

      Because they work for the democrats, to give an illusion of opposition. If you vote for either side of the Party, you are a sucker.

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    5. Re:Do they need it? by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

      we got a conspiratard here folks

      i'm sorry but the tea party is driven by people who actually believe what they say, as a genuine oppositional force, that you say does not exist

      the struggle is real, the differences are real, the stakes are dramatic

      and the difference in opinions results in dramatic differences in policy depending upon who wins

      al gore would not have invaded iraq. john mccain would not have created obamacare. etc.

      but don't worry about me. i'm a deluded fool who does not see The Real Truth (tm) like you: something something new world order. something something bilderberg group, teh j00s, etc.

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    6. Re:Do they need it? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Oh please! Don't be such a drama queen!

      There's no "conspiracy" here, no matter how you would like to think there is one. It's pure animal psychology at play. Alpha males battling for domination.

      And yes, Al Gore would have invaded Iraq. Lieberman would be making the decision. And he's worse than Cheney or Rumsfeld.

      I shall leave you to continue your little charade here, so you can continue thinking you're all philosophical, sophisticated an' shit.

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    7. Re:Do they need it? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Obama's signature accomplishment was basically a republican plan.

      A giant, uncoordinated cluster fuck that had no chance of surviving intact? That was the Republican plan?

      Pray, what are they thinking about for an encore?

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    8. Re:Do they need it? by PraiseBob · · Score: 1

      So now the Democrats get the credit if a Republican plan succeeds? If I vote for a Democrat, they are willing to implement the best ideas of either party. If I vote for a Republican, they won't even support Republican plans to do "important things" and accomplish goals.

    9. Re:Do they need it? by GodInHell · · Score: 1

      And ... another fact-free denial. The 2012 election had the HIGHEST percentage turnout since 1968, and by raw voters, the third highest in U.S. history. One source of many you could read: Wikipedia - Voter Turnout in United States Presidential Elections.

      America rejected the Republican party - if you cannot accept the numbers then all the analytics in the world are going to be worthless to you.

      -GiH

    10. Re:Do they need it? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      The Republican primaries were a gauntlet of Tea Party idiots. So everyone had to steer to the extreme far right to win their support to get on the ballot.

      If you think Romney was 'extreme right', you must be to the left of Stalin. Romney's problem was that he was trying to be a Democrat, and there was already a Democrat candidate for anyone who wanted one.

    11. Re:Do they need it? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Oh, good, let's get off on THIS tangent, that will be productive.

    12. Re:Do they need it? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i never said romney was extreme right. i said he *had to appeal to* the extreme right

      he had to compete for votes from tea party loony toons with wackjobs like santorum and cain and bachmann

      and romney's problem wasn't trying to be a democrat, that's called "trying to win the election by appealing to the moderate center," which, in your bias, you've called "trying to be a democrat"

      which is exactly how and why the right will not win the white house in the future: they view being a moderate as some sort of RINO betrayal. this is how and why republicans lose elections, this ideological inquisition

      and so, as a democrat, i say, "keep it up, tea party, thanks for destroying the republican party with your inflexible, intolerant, rigid extremism"

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    13. Re:Do they need it? by michael_cain · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to look at the county-level primary maps prior to the point where everyone else folded and gave the nomination to Romney. In state after state, Romney won the urban and inner suburban counties (that Obama would win in the general). And lost the rural areas, usually to the "more conservative" candidate du jour. There was a steady stream of headlines of the form: " win primaries" with the subhead "Romney increases delegate lead". The Republicans' fundamental policy and demographic problems can be summed up as, "They hate cities, and most of the people who live in cities." Long-term trends suggest that's going to be a serious problem.

    14. Re:Do they need it? by microbox · · Score: 2

      A giant, uncoordinated cluster fuck that had no chance of surviving intact? That was the Republican plan?

      True, but the ACA was the GOP plan put forward as an alternative to Clinton's healthcare plan in the early 90s.

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    15. Re:Do they need it? by microbox · · Score: 1

      i'm sorry but the tea party is driven by people who actually believe what they say, as a genuine oppositional force, that you say does not exist

      Of that I have no doubt. You see, I study ignorance as part of my research in academia. The Tea Party is just popcorn fodder for me.

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    16. Re:Do they need it? by microbox · · Score: 1

      If you think Romney was 'extreme right',

      Nobody, including Romney, thinks that he is a severe conservative. And that is precisely the point being made.

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    17. Re:Do they need it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he had to compete for votes from tea party loony toons

      The tea party opposes the run away and unsustainable spending the FedGov has been engaging in since 2000 and which was dramatically accelerated starting in 2006. The tea party also opposes crony capitalism and tax payer bailouts of companies.

      How are those positions loony toons? The media and the rest of the political class calls the tea party names, but it is completely mainstream in the policies it promotes.

      romney's problem wasn't trying to be a democrat, that's called "trying to win the election by appealing to the moderate center,"

      Romney followed the run-to-the-right, run-to-the-center, don't harshly criticize the Democrat or his policies strategy that the media insists is the way for Rs to win elections. Romney won the "independents" vote by double digits and yet he lost the election. You may have noticed.

      the right will not win the white house in the future: they view being a moderate as some sort of RINO betrayal

      Republicans win big when they unapologetically promote limited government. That's how Reagan won twice in landslides. That's why the "Gingrich revolution" occurred in 1994. That's why the Rs stomped the Ds into the ground in 2010. "moderate" isn't the same as "coinciding with the political desires of most American voters". "moderate" as used by the national media means "Republican willing to help the Democrat party accomplish its policy goals".

      The Rs lose when they help the Ds. US voters want an opposition party, not D lite.

      The Republicans' fundamental policy and demographic problems can be summed up as, "They hate cities, and most of the people who live in cities."

      Okay, that is the stupidest thing that I seen written for quite some time. Rs "hate cities" and the people who live in them? Give me a break, Democrat policies have created a permanent underclass congregated in inner city neighborhoods that swim in violence, criminality and misery. That underclass is heavily subsided and given permanence by govt handouts. Its political loyalty is purchased with tax dollars. The RP will never win its loyalty by getting into a bidding war for its votes, but it can shrink that underclass, and reduce human suffering in the process, by weaning those inner city communities off of govt handouts.

    18. Re:Do they need it? by volmtech · · Score: 1

      I consider myself a libertarian Tea Party-er. What part of the GOP platform would lure Independent voters away from the Democrat platform if the GOP embraced gay marriage, the ACA, and immigration reform? I can not see how trying to be just like the Democratic party will help when there is already a perfectly good Democrat party to vote for.

    19. Re:Do they need it? by metlin · · Score: 1

      I thought that of all the candidates, Romney was the most moderate of them all. If anything, had he stuck to his guns, rather than try and appease the Tea Party extremists, he had a pretty good chance of winning. Post the GOP nomination, Romney should have gone back to taking a moderate stance, which would have helped him immensely with some of the moderate voters. Instead, he tried appeasing the far right, at which point he pretty much lost any chance of a victory.

      Personally, I felt that between Obama and Romney, this country could not lose. While they weren't ideal, they were both pretty competent, well-educated, and sharp, with a proven track record. I'm not sure any of the other GOP contenders even stood a chance (Rick Santorum? Newt Gingrich? Rick Perry? Herman Cain? Heck, Ron Paul?).

    20. Re:Do they need it? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      keep believing as you do, i love you

      i'm not even remotely joking

      you help democrats win

      xoxoxoxox

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    21. Re:Do they need it? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      if you could keep your fiscal conservatism, but get rid of the social conservatism, yes, you have a winning strategy

      but good luck to you trying to do that though

      for some reason the social conservative morons always seem to crop up in your precincts and sabotage your chances

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    22. Re:Do they need it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Republican primaries were a gauntlet of Tea Party idiots. So everyone had to steer to the extreme far right to win their support to get on the ballot."

      I thought John Huntsman was a good candidate with rational positions. Unfortunately, he seemed to get drowned out by the loonies.

    23. Re:Do they need it? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Exactly. They were hired to wear the red noses. For the democrat side it's a wonderful windfall. The fear factor works. But our friend here doesn't like to be told he's been had, just like everybody else who votes dem/rep. And just like everybody else, he goes on the defensive to protect his sensitive ego. We're dealing with psychology, not politics.

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    24. Re:Do they need it? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      Huntsman was a solid moderate candidate.

      Therefore, in the modern Republican party, he has no chance of making it on the ballot.

      Huntsman could have won.

      Thank you Tea Party!

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    25. Re:Do they need it? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      And another thing. Don't be an idiot. The tea party is driven by the same people who finance the other labels. The voters are in opposition, not the candidates, or their political affiliates. Their singular goal is to maintain support for the system that makes them rich and powerful. However, you are free to carry on with your delusions if that's what floats yer boat and makes you feel like you're doing something useful with your shilling for your masters.

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    26. Re:Do they need it? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      WHARGARBBBL

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    27. Re:Do they need it? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Thank you! for proving me right!

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    28. Re:Do they need it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dipshit, you think delaying the ACA employer mandates three years until AFTER the next presidential election is a sign of strength?
      The Dems have stepped on their dick and everyone's wallet, so keep dreaming.

    29. Re:Do they need it? by volmtech · · Score: 1

      Wont work. Voters have finally started voting in their own (short term) best interest. A lot of people are poor, they believe they can make their lives better by voting money away from the rich.

  10. Health Care Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be nice if https://www.healthcare.gov worked just as well.

    1. Re:Health Care Site by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

      That does raise some big questions. Assuming that the DNC and the Obama campaign intentionally hired the most sophisticated data-gatherer/number-crunchers available, you would think that they understood what separates excellence from incompetence in technology. So why did they hire not just an incompetent company to handle Obamacare but a company with a history of incompetence? There are several possibilities. One, there was some old-boy networking going on and that company paid off key people to get the contract. Two, they're really not as savvy at picking tech companies and they merely think that all that analytics was what won the election when it may have been nothing more than a group of voters wanting to be part of history by voting for the first black president or even more basic as "I've had enough of Republicans" Or three, the thing was botched intentionally so as to have yet another excuse to push for single-payer health insurance.

    2. Re:Health Care Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Make sure you are using TIN foil. The aluminum foil does nothing.

      Try this one:

      4: Obama and his close advisors had great leeway in steering the technology direction for his campaign, but everything about Obamacare has been rolled out by the sausage grinder that is our government. (God bless the US of f'n A!!!))

      He is the President, not the deus ex machina.

    3. Re: Health Care Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, Obama is a good campaigner but horseshit at actually administrative tasks.

  11. RNC still just doesn't get it by sribe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They keep babbling about needing to do a better job of getting their message out, and using technology like Obama did to spread their message. Well, bullshit, we heard their message and said "no". No to bigotry against gays, no to the notion that a single cell can be a human being with a soul and consciousness, no to pushing the lie they call "creation science" into the classroom, no to lying to rape victims about the mechanism by which emergency contraception prevents pregnancy, no to all the anti-intellectual garbage that springs from twisted wacko interpretations of the old testament.

    But I guess they're not hearing what the voters said, and so it's going to take them using technology better, and suffering another spectacular loss, to start accepting the idea that the problem is the message, not lack of effectiveness in communicating it.

    Sigh. You see, I really would like a president who understands the limits of the ability of the government to fix all problems with massive spending, and the negative side effects of massive new spending, and who would strike (in my opinion obviously) a better balance. But as long as the republicans keep nominating candidates who toe the anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-science, anti-intellectual line drawn by the party hard-liners, I will keep voting for the democrats.

    1. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      You forgot anti-worker. These are the people who not only don't want to raise the minimum wage, they want to abolish it. Because in the mind of the GOP, paying people less than what it costs to feed/cloth/house yourself is their idea of 'freedom.'

      When your idea of freedom is in-practice worse than slavery, it's a wonder people don't like your message.

    2. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by wiggles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The two parties in this country are what are known as 'big tent' parties. The Republicans have the businesspeople/capitalists, the religious people, and the libertarians, whereas the Democrats have the environmentalists, the immigrants, labor, and socialists.

      The goals of those microparties are not always aligned - see the labor vs. environmentalists in cases such as the spotted owl in the Pacific Northwest logging community.

      The Democrats have done a far better job of making their microparties play nice with each other. The Republicans, on the other hand, have had a revolt over the last few years where the Libertarians have been fighting with the Religious people, leaving the capitalists looking as the only sane ones in the tent

    3. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...I will keep voting for the democrats.

      Exactly the way the Party set it up. They got you hoodwinked with this little dog and pony show into believing there is opposition. And the decline continues...

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    4. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by Quila · · Score: 1

      Well, bullshit, we heard their message and said "no".

      Except in the 2010 and 2012 elections, where we resoundingly said "yes" in the legislative elections. Or, rather, we said "no" to the false promises and failed policies of the Democrats and went with the only viable alternative.

    5. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by microbox · · Score: 1

      They keep babbling about needing to do a better job of getting their message out, and using technology like Obama did to spread their message. Well, bullshit, we heard their message and said "no". No to bigotry against gays, no to the notion that a single cell can be a human being with a soul and consciousness, no to pushing the lie they call "creation science" into the classroom, no to lying to rape victims about the mechanism by which emergency contraception prevents pregnancy, no to all the anti-intellectual garbage that springs from twisted wacko interpretations of the old testament.

      You forgot the bizarre discredited economic theories as well. Hayek would call these people a bunch of loons.

      --

      Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
    6. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by microbox · · Score: 1

      Exactly the way the Party set it up. They got you hoodwinked with this little dog and pony show into believing there is opposition. And the decline continues...

      It is such a trope that there is no difference between the political parties... and the decline continues....

      --

      Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
    7. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      All differences remain, as always, within the context of style, nothing more. The politician serves his patron, or he does not get the job. It cannot be any more simple.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    8. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by sribe · · Score: 1

      You forgot the bizarre discredited economic theories as well.

      I suppose. I was already well on my way to deciding to vote for Obama for the second time, when Romney sealed the deal by announcing that he would revoke the extremely limited financial regulations Obama had managed to pass after the financial crisis. Because, economically speaking, that was the most spectacularly stupid thing I could recall any candidate ever saying--after that moment I didn't pay any attention to anything Romney said (or Obama, either for that matter). But I'm not sure most people pay attention to that kind of wonky detail, when there's the lurid crap with comparing gay marriage to bestiality and claims that "legitimate rape" does not lead to pregnancy--which claim, fascinatingly, has its basis in Nazi "medical" experiments, so is it an instance of Godwin's law when one side of an argument is ACTUALLY espousing Nazi ideology???

    9. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All differences remain, as always, within the context of style, nothing more. The politician serves his patron, or he does not get the job. It cannot be any more simple.

      I get that you believe this -- at the moment -- but do you really believe that Gore would have invaded Iraq and passed tax cuts on the rich? Do you believe that Mitt Romney would pursue creationism in schools, and restrict abortion access further?

      When you figure out that people actually believe things, just like you do, then you'll be well on your way...

    10. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...do you really believe that Gore would have invaded Iraq...?

      Yes, of course. There's no reason to think he wouldn't. Lieberman, a proven middle east hawk, would have been VP, and would have demanded it if the pay masters told him to.

      And yes they would pay off the rich as they do now, through corporate subsidies... and other regulations to protect their market. Like I said. They differ only on the facade. The scaffolding they share. They turn off the lights, change the stage set, and begin act 2, which all of you breathlessly follow. You people are seeing a soap opera and believing you're watching a documentary.

      Their tag team partner, the republicans are distracting all of you with all the bullshit issues while they pick your pocket dry by stealing your pensions and feeding the money into the Wall Street Casino, the very people who finance the crooks you elect.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    11. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... start accepting the idea that the problem is the message ...

      No the problem is Romney did his job by sharing a vision where he walks on water, wins the war in Viet ^H^H^H Iraq and raises women to their rightful position of obedience. You didn't do your job by forgetting to vote for him. So a bigger, better message will be made that informs you how glorious the Romney candidate is. That's how all politicians fix mistakes.

    12. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, of course. There's no reason to think he wouldn't. Lieberman, a proven middle east hawk, would have been VP, and would have demanded it if the pay masters told him to.

      Bahahahahahahaha. The Vice President's authority to order the US to go to war in Iraq is what, exactly?

      Outside of a usually ceremonial role in the legislative branch, the Veep has as much power as the President wants to let him have. The Bush/Cheney administration was an exceptional example of VP power, not the rule. I'm pretty sure that a Gore/Lieberman administration would not have featured Lieberman effectively in control of decisions like "should the US invade Iraq?".

      Does Joe Biden call the shots in Obama's administration? Nope, although he's capable enough that Obama does involve him in many things. Did Dan Quayle do much of anything in Bush-the-elder's administration? Oh hell no, and a damn good thing that was.

      And "pay masters"? ROFL. Lieberman was and is a jackass, but I have never seen anything suggesting he's a beneficiary of Saudi oil money the way Bush and Cheney both clearly were. Above all else, Lieberman was a classic useful-idiot VP pick, a conservative complement to the more liberal Gore, chosen to broaden the appeal of the ticket.

      So kindly fuck off with this dumb false equivalence which you've repeated several times now. No, just no. A Gore Presidency would not have fucked up in exactly the same administration-defining way as the Bush Presidency. Completely different people, completely different political ties (including an absence of the Middle East oil-money ties that were likely behind the Iraq war), very different agendas, and the Gore administration would not have featured a largely figurehead President.

      And yes they would pay off the rich as they do now, through corporate subsidies... and other regulations to protect their market. Like I said. They differ only on the facade. The scaffolding they share. They turn off the lights, change the stage set, and begin act 2, which all of you breathlessly follow. You people are seeing a soap opera and believing you're watching a documentary.

      Their tag team partner, the republicans are distracting all of you with all the bullshit issues while they pick your pocket dry by stealing your pensions and feeding the money into the Wall Street Casino, the very people who finance the crooks you elect.

      This reads as a bunch of rationalizations for not facing up to the fact that yes, Republicans actually are far worse than Democrats. But hey, keep on being an intellectually lazy fucker over there on the side screaming "IT'S ALL BAD, LOOKIT ME I'M SMART 'COZ I'M CYNICAL" at the moon while doing nothing to fix any of it.

      (Are you aware that what you're doing here is parroting Republican-sponsored talking points? They love preaching political apathy based on All Gubmint BAAAAAD memes. So long as they can convince you the other side's no better, they can get away with being as awful as they want to be.)

    13. Re:RNC still just doesn't get it by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, the republicans are the same. They are people just like everyone else. And furthermore, everything about DC and the government is entirely ceremonial. You elect figureheads to perform in front of the cameras. If you think voting for a democrat will fix anything, then you are part of the problem. Basically you don't know what you're talking about. It is you who parrots mass media.

      So laugh it up, monkeyboy.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  12. They targeted people who want government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think its clear that in both elections Obama's first and his second campaigns. They focused on making the Republican Mitt Romney out as a rich person who cared so little about the working man. Plus the Obama campaign created a emphasis on getting people out to vote who wanted government help. It was clearly a we will help you and the Republicans won't. The issues of course is that this can easily get you elected but then turn against you when the results are so much different. Black's still seem so supportive of Obama and yet young Black unemployment is at ridiculously high levels. I truly believe the Black voter believed Obama could provide more help to them because he was a Black man himself. I think voters need to rethink the process of voting for a person. Obama to me is just a man without any experience in managing properly. He delegates to people incapable of doing the work assigned and Obama never punishes those that fail. The Federal government has failed because we now have so many in Congress and the White House who believe only in a ideology and agenda and its become a free for all on obtaining that agenda. Until we get people in Congress who are common sense middle road, working for the common good of American's. Not for Tea parties, extreme leftists agendas or more government bureaucracy. We will continue to see a ineffective government. Voters, sharpen your minds, do some homework and vote for people based on more then one topic or one ideology. Vote because overall the person is a level headed person devoted to the common good of America.

    1. Re:They targeted people who want government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama acts like a stinking Socialist. If it walks like a socialist and talks like a socialist, it's a socialist. I am not a socialist. Middle road don't work. We need to dial a lot of crap back first. It's not a black/white issue. There are plenty of poor unskilled white families that had large families to get a check from Uncle Sam too. We are now seeing the Democrats "Investment" Payoff. I know plenty of Black IT professionals that are smart and don't like this bullshit either. It's not a racial issue. It's a self suffecient hard working / lazy sucking on the governement's tit issue. We have hardworking and lazy individuals in every nationality. This is not a race issue at all. The problem is the lazy out number everybody else. I don't think we will recover from this shy of a Revolution. That might be soon. Look at Russia, The USA will probably reorg withing 25 years. We can not continue like this.

    2. Re:They targeted people who want government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think its clear that in both elections Obama's first and his second campaigns. They focused on making the Republican Mitt Romney out as a rich person who cared so little about the working man.

      Obama won election the first time because 1) the RP had angered voters by promoting the expansion of government when they were in power (which is why the RP lost big in the 2006 midterms) and 2) the Bush administration panicked the voters by taking deliberate actions which caused the stock market crash of 2008. Obama's first election win had nothing to do with Obama per se despite all of the blathering narratives of the winners and losers.

      Obama won re-election because the RP pissed off their own base by systematically destroying Romney's opponents by using personal smear tactics in the primary. Furthermore, during the general election, Romney denigrated the base of the RP and the Tea Party Movement, refused to directly challenge Obama or any of his policies, basically offering no contrast to Obama. Believe it: the R base noticed the perversity that Romney's campaign was perfectly willing to trash his R opponents, but refused to strongly criticize Obama. Because he didn't define himself, Romney was defined by Democrat partisans in the media as an uncaring rich guy. Despite all the sound and fury in the national media, that characterization actually had no real effect on the election. Romney lost because the RP base and others who wanted to repeal Obamacare and reduce government spending, i.e. the Tea Party Movement, had no confidence that he would do what they wanted and simply didn't show up to vote. The post-election polling backs that up. Romney strongly won the "independents" vote, but the number of Republicans who showed to vote for him was less than the number of Rs who voted for McCain.

      I truly believe the Black voter believed Obama could provide more help to them because he was a Black man himself.

      You are obviously young and your views are still not fully formed so let me clue you in. For the past 50 years, the DP has been been beating blacks over the head with the idea that if you are black, you must support a black politician no matter how corrupt or incompetent they are. They have taught blacks that the DP with rob the rest of society in order to give handouts and special treatment to blacks. The left has also dispensed a psychological salve to justify the pillaging of society on behalf of blacks by repeating the message that somehow today's blacks, people who have never been slaves and most of whom never had to live under segregation in the old south are entitled to handouts as "payback" for "slavery and oppression". Furthermore, the DP so controls the voting in black districts that they intimidate black voters, engage in illegal electioneering and generally bully black communities to guarantee that blacks always vote > 90% for Democrats no matter what the situation. Thinking and analyzing play no part in the voting by most blacks. It's all about indoctrination and strong-arm tactics.

      Obama to me is just a man without any experience in managing properly.

      That's where you are wrong. Sure, Obama, never did anything of significance before his short foray into politics, but his defining characteristic is that he is a hardcore, radical leftist ideologue. He has spent his entire life stewing in Marxist ideology and that guides all of his politics. By his own admission, the thing that he was most proud of before holding office was being a radical political agitator (He deceptively called it being a "community organizer). Don't be fooled by the occasionally moderate tone of his rhetoric; deceit is a standard part of Marxist political tactics. Look at his actions and listen to him at those times when he veers off his moderate tone and starts talking about ignoring Congress and "acting on his own". Pay attention when his admin demonizes one group or another or abuses its power to

    3. Re:They targeted people who want government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama acts like a stinking Socialist.

      No, he doesn't.

      If it walks like a socialist and talks like a socialist, it's a socialist. I am not a socialist.

      Gee that's nice.

      Middle road don't work. We need to dial a lot of crap back first.

      That's what the oligarchs (who stand to profit from the "dial back" of their responsibilities to the nation) would like you to think, yeah.

      The problem is the lazy out number everybody else. I don't think we will recover from this shy of a Revolution.
      That might be soon. Look at Russia, The USA will probably reorg withing 25 years. We can not continue like this.

      The problem is that you and all the other conservatives in the nation have swallowed the "Just World" fallacy: the notion that social outcomes reflect a sort of cosmic justice. You believe in a mythological America where anybody who's poor must be poor because they are, in some way, morally inferior (hence all the accusations of laziness, sucking at the government teat, etc.). You do not want to accept that sometimes people are poor through no failings of their own. Equally important, you believe anyone who's well off must have done something valuable to deserve it.

      Back in reality, upwards mobility in the US is going sharply down, and is easily the worst among all the leading "Western" economies of the world. Hard work isn't enough to lift the average person out of poverty: despite your glib accusations of laziness, lots of America's poor are working as hard as they possibly can, but still not making enough to get out of poverty. There aren't enough jobs to go around, and there is plenty of business-sponsored Republican resistance to paying reasonable living wages for low-end jobs.

      The best way to "make it" in today's America is to be the child of a family which is already in a good position. That gets you far better access to the education and social connections required to land a job which doesn't keep you permanently treading water just to stay afloat. Poor families simply don't have equal access to opportunities to build a better life. (And please don't come back with a story of someone who did lift themselves up; of course there are exceptions to the rule. The problem is that for every one person who happens to luck into the right situation where hard work can get them out, there are thousands of others who are working equally hard without equal reward.)

      And sorry, your attempts to deflect the racism inherent in the right-wing position are nonsense. Minorities are overrepresented in the ranks of the poor, and many attacks on the poor are thinly disguised racist attacks designed to appeal to those who automatically think "brown" when someone says "poor". There is documented history of the Republican party deliberately veiling its racist message by reframing it as a "poor" / "not-poor" class issue.

  13. Stop voting Repubilcan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop voting against your own interests. You are not a wealthy Billionaire. Stop voting like you are one.

    1. Re: Stop voting Repubilcan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I'm also not on welfare or food stamps...
      The rest of us seem to be underrepresented.

    2. Re: Stop voting Repubilcan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen brother. I hear where you are coming from. I'm tired of paying taxes to help some lazy ass.

    3. Re:Stop voting Repubilcan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop using Vladimir Lenin's "false consciousness" tactic. The fact that people don't vote the way you want them to does not mean that they don't understand where their own interests lie.

  14. Hey RNC, don't forget about Home Depot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a lot of pipes there. It will help you with that "Internet thingy"

  15. Better information wouldn't help by Shajenko42 · · Score: 3, Funny

    From what I remember, the Romney campaign ignored their own polls that said they were losing. How would improving the data help when you won't pay any attention to it?

    1. Re:Better information wouldn't help by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Romney threw the 'fight'. It was a show, pure and simple.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:Better information wouldn't help by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they didn't ignore the data, they had bad data

      the last couple of decades has seen the rise of conservative news sources. which is good for morale. you fudge the truth a little, make things look rosier than they really are, and you galvanize your base

      the problem is when you start believing your own bullshit

      romney was fed the fudges the conservative echo chamber feeds itself, and was kept in the dark. so they were overconfident

      there's a respected solid analyst called nate silver at the new york times, who is very good at forecasting elections with his methods

      he called the election early, in september, for obama

      http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n...

      this analysis was pilloried on the right as a propaganda. even though he was just applying cold hard analysis

      http://www.nationalreview.com/...

      when in fact, the right was the one creating propaganda, and silver called them out on it:

      http://www.businessinsider.com...

      the decision makers around romney chose to ignore cold analysis as liberal propaganda. romney had a chance to buckle down and maybe do something with his message in october and maybe eke out a win

      but just look at rove on election night: he couldn't believe the news about ohio. because the right wing media echo chamber was operating on its own bullshit, and kneejerk rejecting bad news as liberal propaganda

      again, conservative media is great for the morale of the average conservative voter. but when the conservative media is depended upon by the decision makers on the right, the right loses, because decisions based on lies are bad, losing decisions

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      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    3. Re:Better information wouldn't help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you imagine the riots and other atrocities that might have happened if romney would have won?

    4. Re:Better information wouldn't help by jerryjnormandin · · Score: 0

      It's a better future than Obamacare. Obama has made an abomination out of our country.

    5. Re:Better information wouldn't help by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      From what I remember, the Romney campaign ignored their own polls that said they were losing.

      That's pretty much the last time that will ever happen again. Nate Silver's nearly perfect prediction of nearly all 50 states was a major wake-up call to the people who didn't believe in basic stats.

      More than Obama, the nerds won last presidential election and its a permanent win.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    6. Re:Better information wouldn't help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, of course it's a show, but the republicans really did try. A republican friend of mine, who has held a state office, was absolutely convinced, the night before the election, that Romney was going to win.

      See, after they blatantly sliced and diced their way through the pool of candidates to measure their appeal to various interest groups (Huckabee the vacuous 'family values' guy; Santorum and Perry, the Real Christians; Bachmann, the comic relief; Herman Cain, the token black tax radical; John Huntsman, the closest thing to Ron Paul the system could accept; etc.), they defaulted back to the usual business-friendly candidate, Romney, whom the RNC figured they could stuff with whatever agendas would appeal to whomever he was talking to at the time, a la Clinton or Bush Sr. I guess that didn't work out for them.

      The republicans are sort of a protest party right now. A lot of their votes come from people who would vote democrat out of economic self-interest (however misguided that may or may not be), were it not for abortions, faggots, taxes (lol), guns, Jeebus, feminists, scientists, etc.

  16. "The GOP has only a few short years to prepare..." by korbulon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That statement speaks volumes about what is wrong about the electoral system, and US politics in general. It's all about winning and consolidating power. Few people are really interested in the process of governance. Jesus H. Christ, where are the adults?!

  17. Stop voting for both parties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might want to look into who the banksters supported financially.

    But you won't. You wouldn't want facts to interfere with your religion.

  18. DNC has history of racism, not GOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of the 52 Dixiecrats, 50 went back to the DNC, 1 to the GOP, 1 independent. Some years later 1 more went to the GOP.

    Not sure why you feel the need to lie. The DNC has ALWAYS been the party that welcomes racists, from back in the 1850s to today. Robert Byrd died a Democrat, Al Gore Sr died a Democrat, and so on. The overwhelming majority who voted no on the Civil Rights Act died life long Democrats. There is a LONG history of racism in the DNC and support for the KKK in that party, no such thing exists for the GOP except in your own head.

    1. Re:DNC has history of racism, not GOP by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      There are more than 52 dixiecrat voters out there. Read up on the republican use of Southern Strategy that works to this day. And I never inferred that the democrats are any less racist today than they ever were.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:DNC has history of racism, not GOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, those who hate blacks FLOCKED to the party that spent 30 years ramming the Civil Rights Act through as almost their single platform issue at the time.

      You are such a complete fucking idiot it must hurt to be you.

      The DNC has over 100 years of supporting racists and bigots. Today they are the party that supports mysogynists. Bill Clinton, sexual predator, is their biggest fundraiser and they all pretend he never did anything wrong. Watch what they say about ANY woman in politics that is not a member of the DNC, such as Palin. You won't hear about their disagreement with her policy, but you will hear them bash her about what Tina Fey said dressed up as her. David Letterman told the world her daughter is a slut and still has his job and people pretend it didn't happen. Martin Bashir said people need to deficate in her mouth and it still took them 3 weeks to fire him.

      The DNC is currently running a war against women while claiming the GOP is the one who supports mysogynists. Perhaps if you looked around for a minute you wouldn't be so stupid.

    3. Re:DNC has history of racism, not GOP by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You can rant all you want. It doesn't change the fact that people are the same regardless of their political affiliations. Anyway, you are a funny guy, and I'm sure the Party appreciates your good work. I bet you believe there were no blacks in the Confederate Army, too.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  19. Re:"The GOP has only a few short years to prepare. by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    i hate to break it to you, but politics was emotional, is emotional, and always will be emotional. the adults you seek never existed and never will. the only truth here is you fail to understand the ugly emotional game called politics. we're human beings, not robots

    please don't shoot the messenger

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  20. We need a Party that's Pro American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sick of the Democrats, damn pimps of poverty. The USA paid and encouraged low income families to have lots of babies. The more babies they had the more money Uncle Sam sent them. That's how the democrats insured they will increase their votes. In the meantime, every hard working family that wanted to provide well for their families had one to two kids. There were some exceptions, like myself. My wife and I had three sons. Even though we had our first early (my wife 19, me 22) we never ever wanted government financial help and we provided well for our three sons. Now... fast forward 18 years... those low income families had 5 to 8 children living off the government, sworn democrats because the government supports thier lifestyle. Dependency = votes. The government wants them to be more self efficient so they make college grants available for low income kids and my wife and I have to scramble again, my employer goes belly up and I freelance while we drain money from our 401k to make sure our kids eduction does not skip a beat. Republicans let me down because they allowed Obamacare to pass and have not done anything to curb Outsourcing. If you are a CIO and are pro outsourcing, you are no better than a drug dealer. Why ???? Because you are willing to sell out your Nation's future and fellow citizen to make a buck. EOE = mediocrity. A Nationalist party that is willing to deport illegal immigrants that don't have a skill. The USA should have immigration policies similar to Canada and New Zealand. You should have a sponsor family, skill, and job lined up. We need to curb globalization. Isolationism isn't good, but outsourcing good paying jobs to low cost labor overseas isn't good either. We need policies in place that will promote companies that insource and tax companies that outsource. We need to reward companies for keeping jobs. I do not see ANY political parties offering that. All I have to say to the CIOs that like to Outsource. What are you going to do when all of us who earned $75k - $150k in the IT industry are unemployed and doing side jobs on our own to survive and no longer have enough funds to buy your goods and services ? Your not going to sell your goods to India. They get paid 1/4 of what an American working an American job makes.. .. yeah a Systems Admin performing a job that typically pays $80k in the US will get $20k. and that's if they are working in the US. if they are remote in India even less. We can only slow this down if we slap business that outsources with a hefty tax. They won't because all the US politicians get financial backing for favoring outsourcing. They all suck and I am getting tired of it. I am currently employed but the writing is on the wall. The new goal at work is to achieve 70% outsourcing. I hope things get better. I've got 10 years left on my mortgage. no money in the 401k..I tapped it all. but no credit card debt. I can't put any money back in the 401k yet because I am working on getting a consulting business together. Now the USA has less hard working red blooded American people than ever before. More lazy people with no skills looking for handouts. Bring back the Wig Party!

  21. Re:"The GOP has only a few short years to prepare. by jerryjnormandin · · Score: 1

    Our problem is lazy citizens looking for money > hardworking skilled people. We are now outnumbered. It took a while to get here. It's going to take a while to get out. Unfortunately I don't think it's going to happen in our lifetime.

  22. Stop Voting for the Pimps of Poverty. by jerryjnormandin · · Score: 0

    Democrats got our Country in the shitter. They encouraged low income families to have lots of babies. Having a child actually got them a check from Uncle SAM. Families that were hardworking had smaller families. This is why Democrats now outnumber every body else. You don't have to be rich to be a Republican. I don't even think I would consider myself a Republican because they sold themelves out too. I would say I lean towards the Tea Party.

  23. Re:"The GOP has only a few short years to prepare. by korbulon · · Score: 1

    Who said anything about robots? You seem to entirely misconstrue the meaning of my original statement: being an adult involves having strong emotional reactions but it also means having the self-control and maturity to manage these emotions in a constructive manner. Being an adult means putting aside petty grievances and personal grudges to try and achieve something for the common good. Being an adult means that I no longer act nor think like a child and think it's all about me, me, me because even the staunchest libertarian will be forced to agree that even personal self-interest is sometimes best served through cooperation and not the miserable and petty one-upmanship that passes for political discourse in this day and age.

    This political system is such an utter disgrace. Those who merely respond "that's just the way it is" are either too jaded or are utterly lacking in imagination to envision something better. And if you say it can never get better then I say: fine, but at least admit you are a nihilist and ascribe to no particular ethos, that the world merely is, that events merely are, that there are no moral categories, and that we are merely specks of flesh aimlessly wandering on a much bigger speck of rock, all of it soon extinguished and forever passing out of memory.

  24. Should have been a warning sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems funny in hindsight but Obama winning campaigns on strong metadata analytics? Should have seen it coming.

  25. Re:"The GOP has only a few short years to prepare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all about the niggers, amirite?

  26. Huh... by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    The Republican party wants to play in the real world again? Someone order a truck-load of red pills...

  27. Re:"The GOP has only a few short years to prepare. by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    the point is you want politics to be something it never was and never will be

    it's *politics*, not polite academic debate society

    all of the ugliness in politics you dislike is the whole point of politics

    all you are telling me here is you don't understand the subject matter. you can't just wave a magic wand and make people behave like robots. of course people aren't robots. but they behave like feral beasts in politics. of course people aren't feral beasts either. but in POLITICS they are

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  28. Ignore the data by MarkWegman · · Score: 1

    Let's see. The RNC and it's friends want to teach Creationism as part of Science. They want to ignore mountains of data on Global Climate Change. They "unscewed" the polls last time around to believe they were going to win -- when their candidate was the most data driven businessman they could find. The economic evidence for austerity based changes or New Keynesian show the Keynesians have been much more accurate in predictions about things like inflation rates and GDP growth. We could go on and on. There's a reason that people say facts (or data) have a well known liberal bias. Someone who's really good with data is going to have to have some strange reasons to be a Republican. It will be hard for the Republicans to assemble a good team, knowing that they'll have to work for people that want to ignore what they have to say.

  29. It's too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's too bad it took 8 years of George W. Bush to teach this generation of the left that all it had to do was win elections.

  30. Re:"The GOP has only a few short years to prepare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > hardworking skilled people

    Only 115.7 million (http://www.statista.com/statistics/192361/unadjusted-monthly-number-of-full-time-employees-in-the-us/) people work full-time and only 99,880,223 (http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/index.html as of 2005) paid federal income taxes. That means less than 1/3 of the people work hard enough to pay taxes, and an even smaller fraction of that are your "hardworking skilled" people. That is who the GOP tries to represent, but they just don't get that that is too few people to win elections. If the GOP promised to expand the negative tax rate to higher incomes, then they would win elections.

  31. they already have a guaranteed win by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    What's the point this time around? They'll get 80% of the vote if they oppose Obamacare and domestic spying.

  32. Re:"The GOP has only a few short years to prepare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lemme guess. you're one of the hard working ones.

    wait, you dont do hard labor for 10 hours a day just so you can keep a place to
    lay your head when you aren't?

  33. Para Bellum? curious choice of name. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    I would have thought GOP would have preferred the name "Ante bellum" to be consistent with their views. (I mean present day GoP's views, not the views of GOP during antebellum era).

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  34. Para Bellum sounds about right... by QilessQi · · Score: 1

    (Quoting from Ask.com) The term 'parabellum' refers to a type of semiautomatic pistol or machine-gun which is also known as Luger. The name was derived from a Latin saying which means ''if you wish for peace, prepare for war''.

    So: we've got the threat of war, the name of a gun, and the fact that "antebellum" -- a term which is basically synonymous with the pre-Civil-War South -- might be appealing for exactly the reason you give. Sounds like a pretty good name choice for an RNC project.

  35. Just goes to show by whitroth · · Score: 1

    where the Republicans really are, and esp. the "Tea Party"... given the phrase ante bellum, and that Sen Cruz and Ms. Palin showed up during the Shutdown in front of the White House with a Confederate flag.

    NeoConfederates, and this is the South (and my gorge) rising again.

    And if you're reading or posting here, odds are you're not a millionaire, and if you're for them, there's a name for you: "sucker" (along with racist, bigot, and wouldn't know "enlightened self-interest" if it hit them with a semi).

                        mark

    1. Re:Just goes to show by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      I am a millionaire, you insensitive clod!

      (No I'm not. I just couldn't resist.)

    2. Re:Just goes to show by whitroth · · Score: 1

      You mean you're just sitting back and letting the computer arbitrage make your millions? You're not out there cracking your whip over us poor pee-ons?

      Need to fix that chair of yours.....

                    mark

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      King: They *certainly* are.

  36. Not sure how this fits /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems more political driven versus "news for Nerds-Stuff that matters" I could see how that would bring some feeling in the setting of perhaps "CNN, or FOX"
    "from the minds of our fabulous overLords"

    tGk

  37. The GOP should be know for their actions by microbox · · Score: 1

    They are about trying to keep a balanced budget.

    In the last 40 years, the budget has been balanced 5 times. EVERY TIME BY DEMOCRATS. The score is 5-0.

    Why do you buy into the rhetoric? People should be known for their behavior. The GOP has a long history of blowing up the budget through a combination of reckless spending and reckless tax cuts. It's just history.

    Even the modern Tea Party doesn't really care about balancing the budget, because it could be done a reinstating taxes on the top 1%, and modest reforms to the tax code in general. And modest spending cuts. Incremental, minimal effect on society. Balanced. If you don't support that which will work, and that which is achievable, then you yourself do not support balanced budgets.

    The most important rule in American politics is that when some politician, D or R, talks about balancing the budget, then they are actually talking about something else. If you want to really know what the GOP believes is far more important than balancing the budget, then you should know .

    Cue motivated reasoning.

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    1. Re:The GOP should be know for their actions by harrkev · · Score: 1

      Brand new news:

      The House votes 221-201 to raise the nation's debt ceiling, but only 28 Republicans, including Speaker John Boehner, vote yes

      The government is whipping out the credit card again, with mostly democratic support.

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  38. Personally, I Don't Believe the DNC by LouisKing · · Score: 1

    The Democrats claim to have used bits and pieces of data gathered over many years to feed a massive Obama-centric data processing engine for his re-election. I don't buy it. With the confirmed revelations of NSA, FBI and the IRS snooping into the personal information of Americans, its much more likely that the information feed wasn't from legal and open sources. Obama was re-elected with illegally gathered government spying. Project Narwhal was, at best, a cover story.

  39. use the right science by jafac · · Score: 1

    I hope that when they're computing pie charts, that they use 3.0 as the constant for PI, as their bible commands.

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  40. prepare for war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, just "bellum" gives you the for war part, "para" is the imperative "prepare". In total that gives you "prepare for war".

  41. And the thank-you ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the thank-you for this massive *tech* effort will be more legislatures' banning the teaching of science that contradicts the Bible. Way to go, Para Bellum 'data scientists'

  42. Para Mecium "Labs" by Drunkulus · · Score: 1

    Paramecia live in aquatic environments, usually in stagnant, warm water. The paramecium evidently has some sense of movement because it responds when it bumps into something.

  43. little sarcasm, little extreme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To that end, the Republican National Committee (RNC) has launched Para Bellum Labs, modeled after a startup, to produce digital platforms for election analytics and voter engagement.

    The problem is they don't believe in science, so this is more then likely some brash fantasy. I love how they flat out attack anything science, to get there voters wound up, but then are trying to use it for there own advantage/greed..

    Both sides have completely lost touch with reality, and there nothing more the bobble head dolls, being bought off by corporations/industries, and we haven't even touched on the powers-at-work that really run the government, getting politicians to pass or ignore the implication of the NSA, FBI, DEA, ect... to just do whatever they want.