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Re:Wow this is great
"I can't see the left getting pissed off though. They've not objected to chimera research before."
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Nothing new George W Bush actually DID restart it
In the aftermath of the loss of the Columbia, the Bush administration directed NASA to return to deep space exploration, arguing that if we are to risk the lives of astronauts in space it ought to be for big things like exploring new worlds. Part of this was the Constellation program to return to the moon to build a permanent manned base at the lunar south pole before putting a man on Mars, which congress under-funded and president Obama cancelled. But the other part was a boost to the Bush administration's re-start of the 1960s nuclear power and rocket engines programs which like everything else he did alarmed the political left.,/p>
The Bush restart of the nuclear rocket engines program was called "Project Prometheus" and was allowed to die-off as Constellation slipped its schedule, was underfunded, and the politics of the day eliminated further Democratic cooperation with Bush.
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Re:Green Party
Actually, someone did above. But I appreciate you doing so also!
Among the liberatrian-minded (as most of the people commenting here appear to be, though that's no surprise at Slashdot), Greens are given a bad rap as carrying on the worst elements of state socialism. In fact, this is not the case:
Greens favor devolving power to states and even municipalities
Greens want government out of our bedrooms
Greens want to decriminalize (most) drugs
Greens have no interest in taking guns away from law-abiding citizens
Greens understand that so-called "free-trade" treaties are just the government shilling for corporate power
Greens are big fans of free software
And some of you will remember that 2004 Green Party Presidential candidate David Cobb and Libertarian Party Presidential candidate Michael Badnarik appeared together in the most lucid and respectful debates in generations -- and then fought together for the integrity of the vote after the election that neither of them managed to win. They disagreed on some topics, but actually agreed on more. -
Re:But no Texans will own it!
Looks like Fast Breed Reactors would be a great idea if not for their perceived violation of Nuclear Non-Proliferation (see third pillar). These would work with existing nuclear power plants.
On the other hand, this report contrasts the "benefits" of the above, also showing that nuclear is more expensive in the kWh arena. Of course, the comments about cancers can itself be contradicted with this study.
Apparently there are political winds blowing about energy everywhere.
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Re:Every recount must be done by 12/13 to matter
We're down to the wire on having any recounts affect any electoral college votes.
They all meet on December 13th to discuss and submit sealed votes.
But we're not talking about the Presidential election, not in this state at least. Washington state's gov race could go on for years, AFAIK.
Ohio, on the other hand, is another story entirely. And even if the electors pick Massa Dubya on Monday, the results must still be certified by Congress on January 6, 2005. If the Green/Libertarian recount push discovers that Ohio could have swung the other way, Congress will be forced to intervene -- and if they choose to go with the tainted results, Bush will have the distinction of having both his terms clouded by disputed election results.
I've contributed to the recount fund. I hope everyone here does as well. -
WHERE YOU CAN DONATE
Here. And please do, it's worth every penny, even if just to confirm the ability / inability of the machines.
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Filing fee
Funny, I didn't think the first count was done yet.
They want $110,000 in donations to pay the required fees. Looks like $10 per precinct. -
Re:All politics is local
How many members of Congress do you have? How many locally elected officials does the Green Party have? How many judicial appointees do you have? See the pattern here?
According to http://greens.org/elections/
429 Candidates in 2004
40 States
74 Types of Offices
And I do indeed see a pattern:
37 Victories in 1996-7
44 Victories in 1998-9
131 Victories in 2000-1
146 Victories in 2002-3
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Re:How can you even begin to be viable
How can you even begin to be a viable choice if you don't have candidates across the board in a majority of electorial races. Even if your positions are fantastic on the issues without at least a glimmer of support from the congress you are dead in the water.
Assuming that Green Party candidate David Cobb gets the same opportunity as Badnarik, I hope you ask the same question. Cobb represents the so-called "electoral" wing of the Green Party, as opposed to the "ideological" wing.
He wants to *elect* Green candidates -- starting at the school boards and building up. Nader, on the other hand, has shown no such flexibility, prefering to tilt at windmills instead of opening the little door at the bottom. He gave us name recognition -- political oxygen, if you will -- but didn't know when to step aside. So at their convention, the Greens gave him a not-so-gentle push. I think the 2004 convention will be remembered as the day the Green Party grew up.
I suspect that Cobb's answer to your question will be along the lines of "We do indeed have candidates, both on the ballot and currently serving, in races from the top of the ballot to the bottom. Watch us grow!"
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Re:Greens use open-source
Relatedly, at the recent GP convention in Milwaukee, we used free software to record and display the delegates votes. We used Debian, with Apache and MySQL and the scripts were written in Perl and GPL'd, not so much that they were very interesting, but on the principle that voting systems should be open. We used Debian as it reflects our values, and we wanted something stable.
-Susan
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Re:Differnet times for a different world
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Re:color in HR and BR tags?
My site, uses the color attribute of <hr> tags extensively. They are easy and light formatting tools that don't play hell with browsers that don't read them.
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Re:interesting twist from ArabNews
Well, here are a few reasons they might be suspicious of the US...
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Re:Why the green party will never grow in the USA
You must understand something about the Green Party here. It's not a monolithic organization like the Republican and Democratic parties, it's a federation of local Green Parties. They have 10 key values, but not a unified platform. The maximum income plank comes from the Green Party USA platform.
My point, in case anybody missed it, saying that you haven't heard of anybody disagreeing with a particular plank of a platform is a spectacular FUD tactic: You can smear somebody on the basis of omission! C'mon. For a person or a party to explicitly disagree with a particular plank, it would first have to be on their radar screens, so to speak.
I cannot speak for all of the state parties, but I know that the Wisconsin Green Party platform does not include such a plank. Ralph Nader's 2000 campaign platform did not include such a plank. Omitting it from the platform surely implies disagreement, no? -
Don't be so optimistic
Whichever way you look at it this is the end of the line for corporate deregulation. Regulation is now going to be considered pensioner friendly and stockholder friendly.
Well, at least until the current round of presidential speechifying and toothless legislating subsides Wall Street's fears, and corporate America's hand returns to the cookie jar.
In and of themselves, public scandals tend not to result in meaningful and structural change. To move beyond political grandstanding and weak legislation (and the bills being looked at currently are very weak -- see CitizenWorks for more info) requires a significant, independent-minded citizen's movement. A corporate accountability movement of this type could begin with demanding reforms in governance and accounting practices (like forcing corporations to expense stock options, a measure rejected by congressional Democrats), and move on to demanding serious and structural changes, such as taking corporate money out of politics (which will require public financing of elections, and breaking up the corporate strangehold over the news media.
But expecting a significant trend to reverse deregulation to suddenly spring up amongst politicians who continue to take their orders from major corporate donors is, unfortunately, too optimistic.
At the very least we will see the sweatheart deals arranged by Enron and the Gramms to exclude energy derivatives from oversight being swept away.
Don't count on it. As far as I remember, the current legislation doesn't repeal Gramm's Enron bill.
But at the deeper level I think that politicians are not going to be able to score easy votes by dennouncing regulation.
No, few voters are going to get hot and bothered about changes in corporate accounting regulations. However, most of them know, pretty intuitively, that they're getting screwed by big business. Frankly, most of the world understands that the current economic order doesn't operate for their benefit (particularly folks in the two-thirds world who don't just lose money on Enron stock, but get displaced by Enron-financed dams).
And no, that's not Marxist babbling -- take a look at some polling numbers: 67% think most corporate executives are dishonest, 57% think white collar crime happens very often, and the percentage who name big business as the largest threat to America's future is at an all-time high (38%).
However, the public doesn't trust politicians to solve these (or most) problems, probably a leading cause of why fewer and fewer of them bother to vote. And nobody's going to trust grand-standing Democrats like Lieberman (who spends most of his time on his knees before the insurance industry) to take a firm stance against over-reaching corporate power.
IMHO, the only way we're going to see a viable political movement for corporate accountability is with a strong, progressive, independent third party. At the moment, both in the U.S. and around the world, that's the Green Party. Provided we continue moving beyond feel-good environmentalism, the Greens can be a grassroots and effective voice for change, by bringing up these issues when people are paying some attention to them (during the election season) and offering bold solutions, rather than more of the same focus-grouped bullshit. The Green Party in the U.S. is now organized in almost every state, and has a platform full of creative ways to advance real, grassroots democracy.
In closing (and for the purposes of extending my pomposity a bit further), I'd like to remind folks that corporate abuse of power affects everyone, in millions of ways -- whether you're a white-collar type whose 401(k) is suddenly worthless, a software developer who's forced to deal with ludicrous patents, or a worker whose job just got shipped to Mexico. And it will take all of us to effect the changes so desperately needed.
(P.S. Another great resource on corporate power is the Program on Corporations, Law, and Democracy.) -
Re:My letter may be of some valueDunno much about the bills, I had always voted for Fienstein before in spite of all the crud she supported that I did not like. Now after this I think I am switching to the Republican party.
Don't bother, the Republicans are just as much in the pocket of corporations as the Democrats are. If you really want someone who represents the peoples' interests, and not those of the campaign contributors, you're going to have to go with a third party. I suggest this one, as they do not accept corporate contributions, and are thus unlikely to be influenced by corporate money. -
Re:Lost cause?How to put pressure on politicians so they will do their damn jobs they already get paid for and ignore lobbyists
I'll give you a hint -- the cure for a Republican isn't to replace him with a Democrat, or vice versa. The Democrats and the Republicans are both bought and paid for by the same corporations, and they merely play a game of good-cop/bad-cop to get you to vote for one party or the other -- but no matter which of the two parties wins, the corporations are in control. Hence the SSSCA, DMCA, etc.
If you don't like this situation, I suggest you vote for one of our fine third parties, and/or support a transition to instant runoff voting to help break the Democrat and Republican parties' lock on elections. -
Real Green Parties are those in the GlobalGreens
GlobalGreens seems to run the only world conference of Greens, who are in most democratic countries as a full party. They recognize the Green Party of the US (Association of State Green Parties), Nader's org, and run those press releases on their web site. So that's the Greens' idea of who the US Greens are. The old party is leftists.
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Truly Democratic Party That Thinks..."if I start a Truly Democratic Party That Thinks The Government Is a Bunch Of Corrupt Assholes in North America or Western Europe, I can."
Except there's no point. You can just join the Green Parties.
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Time to destigmatize leisure time
U.S. workers average more hours on the job per year than workers in any other industrialized country -- Greenies.
Time to destigmatize leisure time! Being particularly lazy, I've been watching the work phenomenon closely. When I worked at an investment bank, the analysts would routinely put in 80-100 hours per week. A paralegal friend of mine easily put in more. To no effect: they aren't going to retire earlier, they've experienced less life, and the money was eh.
Unless your job is your career (lifer entrepreneurs, artists), I don't see a problem with working 20hrs a week to live. In a resource-rich, modern and enlightened society, there shouldn't be a stigma attached to doing as little labor as possible, especially if that labor is nonessential to your interests. Of course, capitalism doesn't seem to be set up this way... but apparently it's possible to survive in an industrialized culture while doing less work, so long as you're not American:
France & Germany make do with shorter work weeks. Germans are much more productive than either the Japanese or the Americans. They don't spend their time off recuperating so that they can go back to work on Monday, which seems to be the case in the States. And, Not all of the industrialized world has the same balance of work and non-work time that we do in the US. Work Time, Free Time.
A hasty Google search has more info on this topic.
In his award-winning "Culture" books, scifi writer Iain M. Banks creates stories in a created a post-plenty universe where all physical needs are satisfied without cost. Difficult to envision, but he does a good job. -
Supermarkets of the world: bad for local community
Vandana Shiva has been protesting the interference of Monsanto with local communities for years. Biodevastation, Water Rights.
Also watch out for Bechtel, using the same tactics in South America Water War Victory.
These corporations are changing the face of the planet for a quick one-time profit. They lack any ties to the local communities they despoil. Take the money and run... Yet the after affects will be long lasting and world wide. And people wonder why we have a cultural image of mad scientists. Once again, proprietary science has allowed itself to create a monster it thought it could control. We'll see... -
Re:Nader, just the man I want on my side--NOTThe GPUSA is the fragmented wing of the original party, the Greens. These guys try to pass themselves off as the legitimized Green Party in order to gain visibility. Notice that the statement you referred to says: "This platform, therefore, does not necessarily reflect in every respect the views of Green Party candidates at any level, including Ralph Nader and Winona LaDuke, Green Party candidates for President and Vice-President in 2000." That's called a disclaimer.
In other words, thank you for playing and please try again.
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Re:There is NO maximum wage!!!!
You got Ralph Nader confused with Jello Biafra who was a candidate for the Greens nomination, but lost it to Nader.
Perhaps the reason why you got confused was you also failed to read the disclaimer on the beginning of the Greens website here that states "This platform is not binding for candidates on any level".
For more information on the Green party, check out this link. Notice on this website that it has a link to Ralph Nader's platform, as ratified at the Green Party National Convention, June 2000.
This is the platform Ralph Nader supports, don't believe the rumor mongers. -
Re:There is NO maximum wage!!!!
You got Ralph Nader confused with Jello Biafra who was a candidate for the Greens nomination, but lost it to Nader.
Perhaps the reason why you got confused was you also failed to read the disclaimer on the beginning of the Greens website here that states "This platform is not binding for candidates on any level".
For more information on the Green party, check out this link. Notice on this website that it has a link to Ralph Nader's platform, as ratified at the Green Party National Convention, June 2000.
This is the platform Ralph Nader supports, don't believe the rumor mongers. -
Re:About Nader's support of a max. wage
Though moderated as "informative", this comment offers no link to any position paper by Nader talking about a maximum wage. In fact, a search of Nader's web site for the phrase "maximum wage" yields no results.
A maximum wage was a plank in Jello Biafra's platform in the Green Party primary. -
Parties Don't Matter As Much As CandidatesYou don't vote Green or Libertarian or Reform. You vote Nader or Browne or Buchanan. Party affiliations are a good sign of what that candidate stands for, but (from the Green site Platform Summary):
This platform is not binding for candidates on any level.
On their specific platform, there is no mention of the 10x minimum wage-100% taxation rate. A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader, not a vote for the Green Party.
Here is a link to the Platform endorsed by the Nader/LaDuke campaign.
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Re:Spare Nader a look
How about this? A member of the green party needs only to adhere to these 10 key values. The candidate's platform is what THEY feel is important, unlike Republicrats, where the platform is controlled by the party. Ralph Nader's platform may be shocking to people who aren't used to having to consider real issues.
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Re:Protest Arrests and my politcal $.02of Nader, you say:
More importantly, the guy is way ahead of all the other third party candidates, is on the ballot in 30 states already (including Montana
:-) Thank you Mr. Wachs and co.) with more to come, and he has eight percent popularity. If enough people vote for him, the Green Party (I was a staunch Democrat before I found the Greens) will become a "recognized" political party.
I find it hard to see Nader as "way ahead" when libertarian Harry Browne is on the ballot in all 50 states already. And while it's true that Browne trails Nader in the polls by a noticable margin, Nader is a celebrity, and Browne isn't. Would somelse running as the Green Party (?, ?, ?) candidate get as much attention? Maybe, but I would guess not. So although Browne will probably get less votes, the LP is certainly growing more steadily than the Green Party.
For those of you who aren't familiar with it, the Libertarian Party is the nation's third largest political party with more members than most of the other 3rd parties combined. You'll get a better idea by reading their site, but their core belief is that the federal government has overstepped its constitutional bounds and needs to be scaled back with a sledgehammer. They oppose the "War on Drugs," think the income tax should be abolished, and basically feel that the individual (and in some cases the state and local governments) should be responsible for most of what the federal government is trying to do (and in their opinion completely fumbling) for you.
Considering that both of these candidates have more down-to-earth time schedules than the two majors, and seem to be popular among the /. crowd, I think a pair of interviews would be a great idea. For example, I know what Browne thinks of Carnivore, but what about Nader? It'd be great if I could just ask him.
~full tide~
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Green Party Link (was Re:Nader)Green Parties world wide
There is an alternative to the Republicrats. Question is are there enough Amerikan voters who remain un-brainwashed by the Amerikan Corpratist State.
Judging by what I'm seeing here, I doubt it...
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Who is Jos� Bov�, and is he admirable? [Facts]
John, this was one of your worst articles.
Who is José Bové, and is he admirable?
He is a Frenchman who was born in Bordeaux in 1953, and grew up at Berkeley, as his parents studied Biochem. Back in France, he refused to do his military service and dropped out of Bordeaux University to immerse himself in various leftist political and ecological movements. In 1975 he and his wife decided to move to the country, take up sheep farming and join a local peasant movement (Confédération paysanne), which he terms 'a trade union', though I do not understand in what sense he means this) against a plan to extend an army base in southern France. He was arrested for "invading" the base during a 1976 protest, and he spent three weeks in prison. (The military project was canceled five years later, more due to the economy than nanything else
In 1998, he blew up up a silo (which belonged to the pharmaceutical firm Novartis) because it contained genetically modified corn. Here's Mssr. Bove's own statement about his actions and motives. It appears to have been written in English, or at least be an authorized translation. I haven't found a French original or variant translations.
In 1999, he became a 'national hero' (according to his supporters -- he's certainly a cult figure) for damaging an unfinished McDonalds with a bulldozer, and later organizing a massive giveaway of Roquefort cheese to protest US import restrictions. He also is known for staging 'illegal' free Roquefort and French bread picnics in front to McDonald's during the WTO protests in Seattle. Distributing the cheese was 'illegal' because it was unpasteurized. Time magazine did a piece on him
But he's not in jail for the bulldozer attack. he spent 20 days in jail for that in 1999. He calls that the greatest favor the judge could have done, due to the publicity it gave him.
On Wednesday, April 19, 2000, an attack on a McDonald's resulted in the death of a '28 year-old waitress'. Jose Bove is believed to have ordered this attack. He has always proclaimmed his movement (Confédération paysanne) to be nonviolent, but admits that violent means have been used, and often refers to the groups actions as 'combat' (same in French as English) I found a French account of the attack that you can babelfish, if necessary
I also found an 12/99 interview where he outlines his current views. He is not an ultra-liberal (in fact he denounced ultraliberalism as 'suicidal'), his personal views are a patchwork of conflicting insistence on individualism and collectivism, (which becomes harder for me to render coherently, the more I read) Politically, he opposes 'internationalization' and insists that 'each nation has a right to choose what it wants to eat' (he supports French Bans on US food, while protesting US bans on French foods)
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Re:Nothing to see here, keep on moving...
Yes! They're the ones I'm thinking of. They exist in the US too. They think their presidential candidate actually is going to win the election. Now, I'm a registered Green and like third-party candidates as much as anybody, but a president elected on a meditation platform? Hm. Interestingly, though, they seem to be playing down the meditation thing -- it's hard to find it mentioned on their site. Perhaps they realized what a bizarre idea it is.
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NY Time, Ralh Reed, POLITICS!There is a NY Times article on the same issue.
Ralph Reed no longer works for the Christian Coalition - he now runs Century Strategies, a political lobbying & campaign group. He left the CC shortly before they lost their tax exemption when the IRS determined they were not a non-partisan group (no big surprise to anyone with a functioning frontal lobe).
So many people on Slashdot bitch on and on about corporations running things or having an undue influence in public affairs in the States. There is one candidate who is actively campaigning against the current state of affairs. Check out Ralph Nader & the Green Party at www.votenader.org and www.greens.org.
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Re:Ralph Nader for President
Yay Nader! If you're interested in getting involved, go to a meeting of your local Green Party. It's fun, it's productive, it'll help make a difference. Or just click the link and learn more -- knowledge never killed anyone. (This being
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Ralph Nader!!!!
I think freedom (with respect to software and otherwise) is a big thing for Ralph Nader (he pushed for punishment of MS for anticompetitive practices). He also seems to have a proven track record of supporting the little guy as well as being a good speaker and an informed, intelligent individual. I am sure he would be in my corner more than he would be in some lobbyists' pocket.
Check it out:
http://www.votenader.com/
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More Complete Listing of Party/Candidate WebsitesSince some party/candidate websites were left out of the HTML analysis, here's a more complete listing:
Official political party sites
Democratic Socialists of America
Green Parties of North America
Official candidate sites
Btw, not everyone's still running. Get involved in politics. Change the course of history. Can anyone get a candidates position of support or non-support concerning the DeCSS-DVD-MPAA issue? Interesting to see Gore running Linux, and Bradley and him using Apache. And though McCain may not be on MS, he does have some skeletons in the proverbial web-closet: McCain pay-chat a Microsoft affair -
Ralph Nader
www.ralphnader.org is running Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) on Linux
www.nader2k.org is running Apache/1.3.4 (Unix) on Linux
And as he'd probably run under the Green banner.. www.greens.org is running Apache/1.3.4 (Unix) on Linux www.greenparty.org is running Apache/1.3.4 (Unix) on Linux Hmm.. makes sense. I've always thought that the best way for the Green Party to get the message out would be through the Internet. "Grassroots democracy" is one of their ten key values, and what could be more "grassroots" than the Internet? All in all, I'm fairly suprised no one has mentioned the anti-MS Public Citizen Nader. -
(getting OT) nader reportThis all changed with the Nadar report
Hmm.. searching Google, I found something interesting about how Ralph Nader is still behind car safety.
Is that the same Ralph Nader who's running for president with the Green Party? I was surprised when he was ranked as agreeing with me more than any of the other major candidates in the US 2000 election, since he is not running with either of the two major parties.
Btw, people on Amazon can't spell Nader's name correctly either :P
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Copy protection...and then some fool will come along and try to figure out a "software copy protection" scheme for DNA. Wait! Someone already has!
http://www.greens.org/s-r/17/17-21.html
http://thewinds.org
/archive/newworld/terminator_seeds04-98.html