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Much more informations about the former events
The website for the new event is quite boring, yes. But just have a look at www.hal2001.org or hal2001.drno.de - they will give you a lot of information what was going on the last time - and it will be nearby the same this year. I am really looking forward to this event. fh.
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Re:slashdotting..?You know, back then in 2001 we had alot against echelon. I can remember beeing outraged beacause of the topic when we discussed about it on HAL2001.
Then we had a jam echelon day shortly after 9/11. Of course only few participated because everybody felt ashamed about it.
At HAL2001 lists with words that would trigger echelon were published and they included words like "steak-knife" (the codename of a double agent) or "sex". But I can't say that those were not published by TLA agents.
But mostly we were concerned with the european cybercrime convention act.
Ahh, those were the times...
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Serious problem for conferences
This could be a perfect solution for conferences such as HAL 2001. I remember there was a need for sponsorship by a professional television broadcaster to provide licenses for realtime streaming of conference speakers back then.
A good alternative to Real and Media encoder that is free is definitely wanted in these areas.
Offtopic: I wonder why the DV's of this conference are still not encoded... -
Security Experts ARE hackers......although not always black hats, of course. At HAL2001 someone (cant exactly remember who it was, either a CCC guy or the packetstormsecurity guy) said, that at the conference, we all were seen as "hackers" (in the sense that the public "defines" the term hacker ergo black hats) but the day after the conference we call ourselves security experts, and everybody agreed. So, all Security Experts are hackers, only the colours of their hats differ. But how can you be sure that you hired a white hat hacker who would never even think maliciously? Surprise, you cant.
Of course the probability of a Security Expert to be a black hat increases somewhat, if you know that he has been jailed for cracking. But you even might be able to trust an rehabilitated ex-cracker more than a hacker, whose hat colour you cant know...
And of course it goes without saing that I would hire Kevin Mitnick anytime. Indeed, this would give me a strong warm and fuzzy feeling.
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Timing analysis is nothing new
This was already discussed at HAL 2001...
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Re:Well Damn...
I hope nobody was hurt.
All news reports say people were evacuated in time from the building and nobody got hurt.Funny, I was in this building a few times during the buildup and cleanup of HAL2001. Feels strange now.
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not just stupid treehuggers25 comments, and everybody besides the valuable mirror people (thx!) is trying to be funny... I cannot refrain from the idea this must have to do with the
/. community perception of these people as just being wierd treehuggers, but a) how is this less hackish or nerdish than other fringe hardware hacking, like setting up overclocked boards in fridges or similar stuff which always gets applauded here, and b) this in fact isn't useless, not because it actually solves energy problems, but it rather points to environmental issues someone needs to address...Maybe its too bad for their
/. appreciation that its called the Big Green Gathering and not HAL or Chaos Communication Camp.. Nonetheless they have done a nice and valuable hack, and a green one too... -
Re:nothing says the great outdoors
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where you could feel it beating IRL
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Sounds a bit like HALThe HAL conference in the Netherlands recently seemed to have a similar agenda, although the focus seemed broader there. I am surprized and pleased to see such a forum in the US, even if I cant go.
The BOFs and after-hour discussions are perhaps deeper and more insightful in Holland, or at least, it seems that way...
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It is old news
This is old news. Job showed the very same bug at HAL2001, on his "SMS security" session on friday 10th 2001, 16:00.
Just goes to show that TheRegister apparently missed a great hacker conference ;) -
Good secure hosting siteI was in the Netherlands for HAL2001 this summer, and got to visit a NAP right across the street from the U. Twente campus (where HAL was held). A NAP is where different networks peer, and in this case is also where at least one ISP provided co-lo space and other ameneties.
The cool part: it was in a retired federal bank. Literally a fortress: fully bulletproof, tempest-shielded, multiple sub-basements, iron gates and fully enclosed by fences or walls, the works.
The ICBM silo gets me thinking about the same thing. They have on-site power generation and battery backup and an obviously pretty damn secure setup. So, why not open a secure hosting facility? It's not HavenCo/Sealand, but it's not bad.
The main problem is it's in the middle of nowhere (Mapquest link ), about 50 miles from Topeka. Paying the local loop charges for dedicated (and redundant) Internet access is probably going to cost a fortune.
- Greg
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Europehas had smartcard technology for quite some time. Their civilization has yet to crumble because of it. A friend of mine was working on the Java code for a certain smartcard implementation while he was at RSA, and though he was never able to reveal specifics, he didn't feel it was too sinister. Corporate yes, and therefore sinister to most, but not anymore so than the rest of today's world...
Perhaps someone who was at the HAL workshop can give the hacker's perspective?
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No, he won't.Immediately after his talk at the HAL2001 (wait for the video recordings to show up on this site!) hackers from the audience shouted: "Give us the paper! We'll get the word out!".
Ferguson of course declined.
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Re:The unanswerable questionNow, which crowd is right? None. Which is the best? None. It depends on what you want, what crowd you fit in. If you're very technical, You fall into the Slackware/Debian crowd. If you like what's popular, easy, and commercial, you'll like hanging out with the RedHat/Mandrake folks. And if you like something very specific, or a close community, you'll like SuSE or something else.
True. Last weekend I have been in a crowd of approx. 2500 (HAL 2001), most of which took their own computer so it should give an answer to who is using what OS, and why. This question remains unanswered. It didn't really matter, everybody had its own reason to use what he or she liked. A micro-cosmos of that could be seen in our tent (I was visiting the event together with folks from the Dutch Linux user group NLLGG). Of course, everybody took their own Linux box with them, installed with his or her favorite distro. There is some tendency to Mandrake for beginners and Debian for experienced users, but there are several exceptions to the rule.
At the end of the weekend, a 15-year old kid dropped in our tent who became interested in Linux. The kid had some clue (at least he was familiar with the "man" command
:-)), was programming VB in Windows and knew how Internet protocols work. After some discussion, we sent him off with a URL of the nearest Red Hat mirror (he has a cable modem and CD burner at home), because that was the easiest way to go. Support in our user group is plentiful for any popular distro, however, Red Hat is easiest to get.Brinkie
See my HAL 2001 Photo Gallery
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DMCA gagging crypto researcherCrypto expert Niels Ferguson was at the HAL2001 festival yesterday, speaking about AES/Rijndael vulnerabilities. At the end of his presentation, he wanted to add a personal note.
He said that he had done some research on some topic (unfortunately I could not hear what it was about). He said he would go to the US next week for a conference and he feared being arrested if he would publish. Since he had mouths to feed and rent to pay, he said he could not afford to take the risk. So he decided to not publish his research. He urged everyone to protest against the DMCA which affects him as a non-US citizen. He did realise that at the HAL he was preaching to the choir...
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Fix the core problem, not the symptom
While I feel incredibly sorry for Dmitry and his family, there's absolutely nothing about this incident which couldn't be fully predicted from the DMCA itself, and the general legal trend in the US for the past 50+ years. Corporations are in the business of maximizing profit and minimizing risk, and governments are in the business of maximizing order, increasing control, and growing their headcount, prestige, and budgets. This is the logical result of evolution through time.
Without strong protections, enshrined in contracts like the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and in the everyday behavior and norms expected by a well-educated, informed, and active citizenry, things will naturally become more and more authoritarian. We've seen it in the US with DMCA, CALEA, and other new laws, as well as administrative actions taken by government agencies. We've seen it in the UK, with abominations like the RIP Act. We've seen it in the EU, which passes laws which ostensibly protect individual privacy but in fact create new bureaucracy. And Asia and Australia are even worse in a lot of ways.
Absent a major change in public perception (which I think is highly unlikely), the only path to individual liberty is technical. Perhaps it is now the case that security researchers, mathematicians, and pro-liberty activists must go underground, communicating using anonymous remailers, pseudonyms, and strong cryptography. Certainly groups have been forced underground in the past, but given certain conditions, it is impossible for them to be totally silenced. There are plenty of places in the world where people can live in freedom, due to a policy (intentional or unintentional) of tolerance -- Holland, Costa Rica, islands in the Caribbean, the Pacific -- for those who can't live underground in their own lands. Hopefully, HavenCo and Sealand can play some role in safeguarding liberty for those who live in other nations, by hosting servers for sensitive projects, remailers, and other infrastructure, as well as serving as an example of rational security policy for other nations. However, systems like Mojonation, Gnutella, Napster, ZKS Freedom, Mixmaster remailers, OpenPGP, and BitTorrent are perhaps more important for enabling this kind of research to be conducted, if not openly, at least securely.
If you're going to campaign for political change, don't just campaign for Dmitry to be released, or the DMCA to be overturned -- the core issue here is the continued erosion of individual liberty, at the hands of government, "well-intentioned do-gooders", and corporations.
I look forward to seeing people at HAL 2001, which thankfully is being held in a fairly free country.
Ryan Lackey
http://www.venona.com/rdl/
http://www.havenco.com/
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IMHO, LEA's don't care, judges don't understandFrom my (limited) experience, what I see in court cases that comes from computers is too complex for most judges or even lawyers to grasp. As long as judges can't even rule sensibly about things as hyperlinks and deep linking, I fear that judging whether or not the information can be tampered or manipulated/selected at the LEA's is completely over their heads.
The ETSI standards maturing now (see Opentap) in Europe provide LEA's with encrypted (and signed) information, so the LEA's are pretty sure about the authenticity of the material. The defense could in theory see when information was ommited, since the data sent to the LEA includes a serial number per packet, but the ISP's box has no digital signature of its own, so the LEA can just "create" any information it would want. The ISP isn't allowed to keep copies (or even buffer) the data sent to LEA's.
We'll just have to trust them.
Some more of my comments can be found on Cryptome. I'll be talking about the tapping laws at Hal2001, august 10-12, in the Netherlands.
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HAL is in The NetherlandsHAL 2001 will take place in august in Enschede, the Netherlands.
see www.hal2001.org.
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Where is HAL?
HAL is between 10 and 12 August 2001 at the campus of Twente University in the Netherlands. HAL is Hacking At Large, a gathering in the tradition of HEU and HIP. Camp outside, bring your PC and have a fast uplink to the Internet and a lot of nice people around (you can have both at the same time!). Website: http://www.hal2001.org/. Spread the word and spread the banners.
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Where is HAL?
HAL is between 10 and 12 August 2001 at the campus of Twente University in the Netherlands. HAL is Hacking At Large, a gathering in the tradition of HEU and HIP. Camp outside, bring your PC and have a fast uplink to the Internet and a lot of nice people around (you can have both at the same time!). Website: http://www.hal2001.org/. Spread the word and spread the banners.
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Where is HAL?
HAL is between 10 and 12 August 2001 at the campus of Twente University in the Netherlands. HAL is Hacking At Large, a gathering in the tradition of HEU and HIP. Camp outside, bring your PC and have a fast uplink to the Internet and a lot of nice people around (you can have both at the same time!). Website: http://www.hal2001.org/. Spread the word and spread the banners.
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Re:Practical applicationsA Fields Medalist winner (Nobel prize for math) won the medal for his research on knots. Knots as in knots in rope. He made very nice models of it and all his colleagues agreed the math involved was very interesting, beautiful etc. Problem was that nobody had any real life application for it. Years after first having started the research the professor receives letters from genetic researcher who used his math for their calculations on the human genome. Morale: Maybe Josh doesn't know what to do with it, but that doesn't matter, maybe somebody else will think of a good way to use it.
Greetings
See you all at HAL 2001 http://www.hal20001.org/