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Re:The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
and 32gb of ddr4 draws less than 32gb of ddr3
Yeah, about 1% less - https://us.hardware.info/reviews/6678/10/skylake-ddr4-vs-ddr3-review-power-consumptionnigp.
But we are talking about notebooks, so LPDDR3 (or in Apple's case LPDDR3E) vs. DDR4.
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Re:Looking for info on running 4k screens
I just bought and installed an iiyama B2888UHSU-B1 for ~EUR500. It runs great at 60Hz over displayport 1.2 on an AMD7950. It's a TN-panel (by CMO, which apparently is used in most of the 4k monitors at this price point), but it performs quite well in the color department, according to proper tests ( http://nl.hardware.info/tv/802... - Dutch, but the tables shown at certain points in the video should be intelligible).
The 7950 drives an extra monitor over HDMI (1080p@60Hz) simultaneously without problems.
1. Using HDMI, you are limited to 30Hz, which is definitely noticeable in daily use.
2. 28" 4k is for people with great eyesight (which I thankfully still have). I'd say 32" is the minimum size for people with average eyesight. This is when using Windows 7, in which dpi scaling is pretty much hit and miss to the point where it is almost useless.
3. 4k TVs are probably going to be bad for gaming, due to input lag etc.
4. Gaming on 4k requires me to kick in my second 7950 in crossfire and even then we're talking around 30 fps in modern games. Anti-aliasing is not necessary, though.
5. Windows 7+AMD drivers+Displayport is a pain in the ass. If I turn off my main display with the power button on the monitor and turn it on again, the display is removed and added again, leading Windows to take a minute to completely mess up the positions of all the windows on all my monitors. Any tips on how to prevent this behavior (beyond what is found on the first 20 hits for 'windows 7 disable automatic display detection displayport') would be most welcome.All in all, I am very happy with my purchase. Photo's with enough resolution look fantastic. 4k video is amazing to look at (there are a number of clips on Youtube that you want to download using some downloading extension/service - at least, if you want them to play properly). Gaming in 4k is also amazing but most of all, being able to see more content on one screen is what I had been waiting for for years (less scrolling, more working).
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Re:bc trim is application- dependant. Their assump
You mean ~1000 full rewrites. Hardware.info once tested this and got ~707 TiB until the first error (SMART: 5) out of a Samsung TLC 840 250 GB http://us.hardware.info/review....
Anecdotal yes, but nice to know it was 3 x bigger than the manufacturers specs. -
Re:It's all about the IOPS...
http://us.hardware.info/review...
The 840 is one of the few SSDs we have this kind of public data on. As they conclude, this one will most likely outlive whatever it is put in with the added benefit of being highly resistant to G-force shocks (normally from dropping).
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Re:Meh. fud spam.
Since when is exceeding specifications by a factor of two and still going strong considered a horrifying result? TLC (a.k.a. 3-bit MLC) is supposed to get about 1,000 cycles per sector, which would suggest the 250GB drive should completely fail after a few hundred TB worth of cycles (i.e. that you'd need to cycle the whole drive hundreds of times; more on that in the next paragraph). The 840 Series drive being tested at your link is already about 2x beyond that, still working, and yet has only accumulated sector failures equivalent to a 1% loss in capacity, which the user wouldn't even see since the drives are overprovisioned for exactly this reason. Again, since when is that a horrifying result?
Even if we assumed that it had dropped dead after the expected number of cycles, a typical consumer would still be able to use the drive for a couple of decades without problem. And what study after study shows is that these drives are capable of going well beyond their specifications, so that would suggest that even atypical users should be able to get quite a bit of use out of them.
Long story short, you're perfectly fine using the 840 Series (which has since been replaced by the 840 EVO) for home use. Also, it's worth noting that the 840 Pro is 2-bit MLC, so my comments are not related to it in any way.
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Power-loss protected? No Samsung?
Does this mean the write-cache is NAND too? I do not see that in the features for the SSDs they selected.
Also, why was Samsung excluded? Their 800 series with RAID support has been tested in the past with long term writes with great results.
http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4178/10/hardwareinfo-tests-lifespan-of-samsung-ssd-840-250gb-tlc-ssd-updated-with-final-conclusion-final-update-20-6-2013
I do not mean to plug a particular brand, but the range of SSD's tested in the articles does not seem very expansive nor do they seem to fit into the criteria they specify. -
3dmark firestrike performance?
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Re:What, no water coolers?
And for some comparison of things, I found this site to most informative (posting this link for the third time)
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Re:Silver
and some more (e.g. a comparison).
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Re:Silver
Water cooling is more noisy, by a little bit. The only thing I hear on my system is my harddisk (I run a stock i7-3820 with memory at 2400 for a memory intensive application). If you want to overclock by a large factor, water cooling can do that better.
See here for a comparison between two popular air and water cooling solutions.
I have the TPC-800 which is large and I make sure I always transport it very gently. But there are specifications for the weight it should be able to handle. Those specifications are for shipping conditions. Most motherboards have a special metal plate on the back side of the cpu mount (and it comes with the cooler too). -
Re:Still put off by price. :(
>all major manufacturers these days promise that even if all the cells failed in the whole drive you should be able to read them
and you should take such promises as having the same integrity as all other marketing claims - i.e they're probably not blatant lies.A Samsung 840 endurance test posted in a comment above: They ran for ~3000 erase cycles until encountering the first unrecoverable read error at which point they declared the drive "dead" - it still seemed to work, but data had already been lost and more losses were inevitable.
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4178/10/hardwareinfo-tests-lifespan-of-samsung-ssd-840-250gb-tlc-ssd-updated-with-final-conclusion-final-update-20-6-2013There's also unpowered data retention to consider - you're storing your data as a partial charge in a capacitor - 1 bit/cap (2 levels) for SLC, 2bits (4 levels) for MLC, or 3bits (8 levels) for TLC. And every one of those capacitors starts losing charge the instant it's written to - it does so very slowly, and typically starts out lasting for years (IIRC), but as the caps start wearing out and the charge levels get "fuzzier" that number can eventually drop to days, though supposedly that's typically well past the drive's rated erase cycles (i.e. folks hammering it 24-7 and hitting 30,000x erase cycles)
But yeah, you're absolutely correct that data recovery tools aren't going to be much use for an SSD where data is stored in discrete "bins", and either it's there or it isn't. Unlike a HDD where data is stored as magnetic "footprints" on a continuous media where even intentionally erasing it will tend to leave a portion of the print behind in the gap between tracks, which can then generally be recovered through repeated head repositioning and statistical analysis.
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Re:Call me old fashion
TLC endurance was tested in this article:
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Re:Timeframe
There might be vendors. Just find out which vendors actually gave update in the past(HTC+samsung mainly?). There is a huge difference of vendors that release a phone that is already outdated when released, and vendors that gave updates form 1.5 till 2.1/2.2
After that, i miss the point of buying a top of the line phone now, and expect updates 2 year later. In 2 years that tech is horribly outdated. Same as you saw on iPhone. running ios4 on a previous generation iPhone disappointed a lot of people.
If you have 300-700 euros to spend on a phone, you can renew it every 1-2 years. If not you are way over budget (phone can be damaged/stolen way too easy, insurance does not cover everything). iPhone is not different, drop it and the glass breaks.
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Re:HW buffer for drives
The main thing this would do that battery backed up DRAM wouldn't do is allow for quick boot and hibernate, which is something the enterprise people generally don't care about. The flash looks like it will be replaceable via a dimm-like slot. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10258748-64.html and http://www.hardware.info/en-UK/news/ymiclpqWwpyaaJY/Computex09_Intel_P55_motherboard_gallery/
The other thing this does is bypass the "slow" SATA interface. We have laptop SSD drives that saturate SATA 3.0 and newer drives should be able to saturate the upcoming SATA 6.0. I don't know what kind of bandwidth is going to be available on this new flash slot, but I hope it's a LOT. -
Re:why flash?
Yes, it looks like they are planning to use a dimm-like slot.
http://www.hardware.info/en-UK/news/ymiclpqWwpyaaJY/Computex09_Intel_P55_motherboard_gallery/ -
Re:power usage.
No.. again you are off. Now i found a better test at harware info
The conclusion:
when the pc is OFF (/hibernate) it still uses between 5 and 10 watts. That is PC only, in off. In S3 that is on average 2 watt more. Not even close to your one watt, and it seems that the power supply is mostly to blaim.
On older pc this values can get worse quickly.
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Re:Nothing but a press releaseUnfortunately, for some reason, Slashdot is a day or so behind on this news... it was presented at IDF (Intel Developer Forum) yesterday along with a host of other things.
Visit some of the standard sites (AnandTech, Hardware info, TechReport, etc.) for various reviews. Here's some to get started on:
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Quote from a poster at another site that I found interesting: What's really sad is that more people have benchmarked harpertown than barcelona, and yet one of these chips has "launched", and the other is ~2 months away.
Another intersting quip:WE DECIDED to ask Paul Otellini whether Intel would ever contemplate creating three cores on one die.
So he said: "We see a distinctive advantage in having all the cores on one die work."
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Printable article link
Link to a printable version of the article (without 10 damn pages of ads): http://www.hardware.info/print/article_print.php?
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I am going for the truth
Going for what single product review will recommend is silly. I rather go for infomration on quality in many reviews, collect thoughts that are very similar, discard that are wildly different, to get understand what the product is *about*, in terms of use and see wether I like it or not. My preference is with manufacturers that don't boost specs, on monitors, like Samsung does:
http://www.samsung.com/ca/products/monitor/lcd_dig ital/ls19mewsfxaa.asp
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http://www.hardware.info/en-US/productdb/bGNkbJiXm JLK/viewproduct/Samsung_SyncMaster_931BW/
But I go for hidden gems like:
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Re:Save time, but spend a bit more.
Get a MacMini. $500...
That's a nice quiet and tiny computer (although $500 only gets you a single-core G4 version), but OS X 10.4 Tiger's DVD player still sucks ass. Tiger's de-interlacer and scaler are awful. If you can get a better DVD player app to work with Front Row, then a Mac mini might be a nice option.If you read TFA, de-interlacing and scaling are crucial to providing good DVD quality. NVIDIA and ATI provide this with PureVideo and Avivo technologies, which use their recent GPUs, drivers, and updated MPEG2 decoders to give DVD quality that surpasses high-end set top DVD players. The Mac mini provides none of this.
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Re:Oh PleaseI wondered the same thing, there was a follow up post in the comments which answers a few points.
http://www.hardware.info/forum/showpost.php?p=9598 49&postcount=4"All DVD players as well as both graphics card were tested with a Samsung Syncmaster 242 monitor (24 inch widescreen). All stand alone players were connected with a HDMI -> DVI cable and the graphics cards directly through DVI. All DVD players were set to 480p output resolution, both graphic cards were set to 1920x1200@60 Hz, with the video windows at 1x magnification (no scaling). For all deinterlacing tests on the standalone players the Samsung monitor was setup in 1:1 pixel mode, meaning that there was no scaling done by the screen. So the scaling quality (or lack thereof) of both the players and the monitor was no issue in this test. Scaling is not something that can be tested with HQV, so we made sure it was of no influence to the results."
From that I would assume the Samsung would upscale the signal from 480p to the native resolution of the display but I'm unsure how that would alter the results. I'm curious how the graphics cards would fare if they were hooked up to a display thats primary purpose was as a TV. From what I understand the 242 is a PC monitor first and a television second. -
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