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When are you running for President? We need someone with a sense of humour in office.

What's this "we" shit? You're British! But don't feel bad, as I live in Ill inois instead of Oreogon I can't vote him into the Senate either.

However, if I was rich I could buy the sucker, and it would be legal, thanks to our insane laws that allow bribery as long as you bribe both major party candidates before the election and call your bribes "campaign contributions".

If I was Bill Gates I wouldn't even bother voting. I would have no need to!

-mcgrew
(The McGrew on this page is an imposter. He doesn't even have the first name spelled right, the illiterate buffoon! It's spelled like the guy in the bible that got stoned.)

Since when was hypocrisy one of the seven deadly sins?

There aren't seven deadly sins. There are ten. Wikipedia, unfortunately, does not quote the KJV. But then again neither does my preacher.

The "seven deadly sins" were cooked up by Pope Gregory the Great in the 6th Century AD.

However, as to hypocracy, Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

"Not advocating" isn't exactly "forbidding".

Ephesians 5:18- And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

That's a far cry from saying not to drink, or that drinking is a sin. It's saying that being filled with God is better than being filled with wine. Who besides an athiest could argue with that?

1 Peter 4 - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

I don't see where this is germaine to drinking; it doesn't mention drinking at all.

1 Thessalonians 5 says nothing at all about drinking either.

Galatians 5:16-21 (more in context) says This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Hatred. Variance. Wrath. Strife. Revelling. All the same as drunkenness. Yet again, the apostles were so drunk they couldn't stay awake in the garden with Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 - And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mark 14:23-37 - And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. ...
And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Proverbs 4:24 - Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

In other words, stop frowning!

Yes, drinking can have us do things we may later regret, but that's not the fault of the wine. God put wine here for us to enjoy.

Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

"Not advocating" isn't exactly "forbidding".

Ephesians 5:18- And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

That's a far cry from saying not to drink, or that drinking is a sin. It's saying that being filled with God is better than being filled with wine. Who besides an athiest could argue with that?

1 Peter 4 - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

I don't see where this is germaine to drinking; it doesn't mention drinking at all.

1 Thessalonians 5 says nothing at all about drinking either.

Galatians 5:16-21 (more in context) says This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Hatred. Variance. Wrath. Strife. Revelling. All the same as drunkenness. Yet again, the apostles were so drunk they couldn't stay awake in the garden with Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 - And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mark 14:23-37 - And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. ...
And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Proverbs 4:24 - Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

In other words, stop frowning!

Yes, drinking can have us do things we may later regret, but that's not the fault of the wine. God put wine here for us to enjoy.

Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

"Not advocating" isn't exactly "forbidding".

Ephesians 5:18- And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

That's a far cry from saying not to drink, or that drinking is a sin. It's saying that being filled with God is better than being filled with wine. Who besides an athiest could argue with that?

1 Peter 4 - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

I don't see where this is germaine to drinking; it doesn't mention drinking at all.

1 Thessalonians 5 says nothing at all about drinking either.

Galatians 5:16-21 (more in context) says This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Hatred. Variance. Wrath. Strife. Revelling. All the same as drunkenness. Yet again, the apostles were so drunk they couldn't stay awake in the garden with Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 - And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mark 14:23-37 - And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. ...
And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Proverbs 4:24 - Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

In other words, stop frowning!

Yes, drinking can have us do things we may later regret, but that's not the fault of the wine. God put wine here for us to enjoy.

Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

"Not advocating" isn't exactly "forbidding".

Ephesians 5:18- And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

That's a far cry from saying not to drink, or that drinking is a sin. It's saying that being filled with God is better than being filled with wine. Who besides an athiest could argue with that?

1 Peter 4 - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

I don't see where this is germaine to drinking; it doesn't mention drinking at all.

1 Thessalonians 5 says nothing at all about drinking either.

Galatians 5:16-21 (more in context) says This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Hatred. Variance. Wrath. Strife. Revelling. All the same as drunkenness. Yet again, the apostles were so drunk they couldn't stay awake in the garden with Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 - And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mark 14:23-37 - And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. ...
And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Proverbs 4:24 - Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

In other words, stop frowning!

Yes, drinking can have us do things we may later regret, but that's not the fault of the wine. God put wine here for us to enjoy.

Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

"Not advocating" isn't exactly "forbidding".

Ephesians 5:18- And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

That's a far cry from saying not to drink, or that drinking is a sin. It's saying that being filled with God is better than being filled with wine. Who besides an athiest could argue with that?

1 Peter 4 - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

I don't see where this is germaine to drinking; it doesn't mention drinking at all.

1 Thessalonians 5 says nothing at all about drinking either.

Galatians 5:16-21 (more in context) says This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Hatred. Variance. Wrath. Strife. Revelling. All the same as drunkenness. Yet again, the apostles were so drunk they couldn't stay awake in the garden with Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 - And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mark 14:23-37 - And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. ...
And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Proverbs 4:24 - Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

In other words, stop frowning!

Yes, drinking can have us do things we may later regret, but that's not the fault of the wine. God put wine here for us to enjoy.

Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

"Not advocating" isn't exactly "forbidding".

Ephesians 5:18- And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

That's a far cry from saying not to drink, or that drinking is a sin. It's saying that being filled with God is better than being filled with wine. Who besides an athiest could argue with that?

1 Peter 4 - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

I don't see where this is germaine to drinking; it doesn't mention drinking at all.

1 Thessalonians 5 says nothing at all about drinking either.

Galatians 5:16-21 (more in context) says This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Hatred. Variance. Wrath. Strife. Revelling. All the same as drunkenness. Yet again, the apostles were so drunk they couldn't stay awake in the garden with Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 - And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mark 14:23-37 - And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. ...
And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Proverbs 4:24 - Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

In other words, stop frowning!

Yes, drinking can have us do things we may later regret, but that's not the fault of the wine. God put wine here for us to enjoy.

Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

"Not advocating" isn't exactly "forbidding".

Ephesians 5:18- And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

That's a far cry from saying not to drink, or that drinking is a sin. It's saying that being filled with God is better than being filled with wine. Who besides an athiest could argue with that?

1 Peter 4 - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

I don't see where this is germaine to drinking; it doesn't mention drinking at all.

1 Thessalonians 5 says nothing at all about drinking either.

Galatians 5:16-21 (more in context) says This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Hatred. Variance. Wrath. Strife. Revelling. All the same as drunkenness. Yet again, the apostles were so drunk they couldn't stay awake in the garden with Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 - And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mark 14:23-37 - And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. ...
And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Proverbs 4:24 - Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

In other words, stop frowning!

Yes, drinking can have us do things we may later regret, but that's not the fault of the wine. God put wine here for us to enjoy.

Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

"Not advocating" isn't exactly "forbidding".

Ephesians 5:18- And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

That's a far cry from saying not to drink, or that drinking is a sin. It's saying that being filled with God is better than being filled with wine. Who besides an athiest could argue with that?

1 Peter 4 - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

I don't see where this is germaine to drinking; it doesn't mention drinking at all.

1 Thessalonians 5 says nothing at all about drinking either.

Galatians 5:16-21 (more in context) says This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Hatred. Variance. Wrath. Strife. Revelling. All the same as drunkenness. Yet again, the apostles were so drunk they couldn't stay awake in the garden with Jesus.

Matthew 26:39 - And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mark 14:23-37 - And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. ...
And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Proverbs 4:24 - Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

In other words, stop frowning!

Yes, drinking can have us do things we may later regret, but that's not the fault of the wine. God put wine here for us to enjoy.

Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

OK, it's that time of year again. The time of year when everyone and their dog waxes nostalgic about all the shit nobody cares about from the year past, and stupidly predicts the next year in the grim knowlege that when the next New Year comes along nobody will remember that the dumbass predicted a bunch of foolish shit that turned out to be complete and utter balderdash.

I might as well, too.

I often see articles at slashdot about The Future of [X} and I invariably ask in a comment "where do I go to get my PhD in Futurism?" The fact, of course, is that nobody holds a PhD in futurism. Futurism is no more real than astrology, Tarot, or divining tea leaves. I've been listening to these guys all my fifty five year long life and haven't once heard a single prediction pan out.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet."

And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet."

And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet."

And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet."

And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet."

And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

Sometimes I would like to see the Klingon legal rules about the lawyers...

Was Jesus a Klingon? Luke 11:46 - "And he [Jesus] said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers."

-mcgrew

Only if they want to. Say, for instance you want to open a porn site (NSFW!!!!). That can cause problems with a certain demographic, e.g., radical Christians.

Or say you wanted to open an online King James Bible with no advertising. That can cause problems with a certain demographic, e.g., slashdotters. Whois isn't going to tell you who owns the Bible site; the tome itself says to do your alms in secret. You are going to unmask the fellow who's paying to put the Bible online?

Oh right, this is slashdot. Holy shit, I just realized how this post is going to be modded...

-mcgrew

PS- there's nothing in the bible that says you can't get drunk and gamble with dope smoking hookers. I looked it up, trust me. OTOH it does say collecting interest on a debt, eating a ham sandwich, and shaving (among other things) are sins. Pat Robertson will burn in hell!!! ;)

MUST... NOT... FEED... THE... TROLLS...

Oh fuck it. Look, boss, lazy has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. In the third world countries you're outsourcing this shitwork to, you can feed a family of ten for two dollars, rent a house for fifty bucks a month, and ride anywhere for a dime.

It's not that Americans don't want to do the work, it's that we can't afford to live on the starvation wages you cheapassed bastards pay.

Asshole. My only consolation is knowing you'll burn in hell.

-mcgrew

A self-professed one. If you want to paint lawyers as evil, don't go medeval, go even farther back, to a more universally recognized tome about evil, the Bible!

Luke 7:30 says "But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him".

Luke 11:46- "And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers."

Luke 11:52- "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

Shakespeare? Pshaw!

-mcgrew (linked diary concerns a young "lady" pursuing a law degree)

1. You're talking about traffic laws here. As long as they don't run from the cops or wreck, they're not facing any jail time.
   
2. There's little chance of hitting a pedestrian on an interstate highway.
   
3. These guys are filthy rich. They don't give two shits about anyone but themselves (as you pointed out).
   
4. These guys are filthy rich. They can afford any fines any judge will hand to them.
   
5. these guys are filthy rich. Even if they were to have an accident and kill someone, they can afford the best lawyers around. Three words: O.J Simpson. OK, two letters and one word (for the pedants out there)

They really should sue AT&T/Cingular first. Those bastards NEVER let you unlock your phone - not even after your contract period is over. That is why I refuse to go with them. With T-Mobile at least I can get it unlocked at the end of the contract.

A locked phone is the least of my TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT/Cingular problems. I'm looking for a new provider; I'm using one of those expensive "minute phones" now.

First was the phone; I dropped it in the toilet. It worked after rinsing and drying, but got hot and drained the battery so I replaced it under its insurance. They promptly cancelled the insurance because I'd had the previous one stolen by one of my girlfriends last year. Getting the pictures out was a royal PITA; a data cable from Motorola was $50 (for a $100 Razr), so I had to email all the pics, 3 at a time.

Then 18T bought out Cingular. Now, in 3 years of using Cingular I'd not once gone over my minutes, and every month I got a detailed statement showing who I called, who called me, and how long. My bill was fifty bucks a month less change, without fail. Then as soon as assfuc..er, "ATT" bought them out, I no longer got a detailed statement; they detailed data use (fifteen bucks for the pictures) but no details on the voice useage, and all of a sudden I'd used up all my minutes and gone over! The bill for that month was $150! I went to the local pigfu... er "ATT" store where I bought the phone, and got nothing but a runaround.

Then the next bill came - FOUR HUNDRED MOTHERFUCKING DOLLARS for a month's use! I didn't use it any more than I ever had. Then they promptly shut the damned thing off for nonpayment.

The next month the babyraping sons of bitchwhores tacked on another $150 FOR A PHONE THEY HAD SHUT OFF! Including taxes charged on use they didn't provide! Maybe I can get the corpowhorats put in prison for tax fraud...

May each and every one of their corporate officers join Sony in hell!

-mcgrew

This guy got famous in the early '60s. Then he got a bit long in the tooth and the labels kicked him to the curb. He was lost in obscurity, playing for pittances in bars to drunken geezers.

Then the old illegal Napster came along and a new generation heard his music. He says it revitalized his career.

-mcgrew

PS: the lyrics to his song "Turn Turn Turn" (music © Pete Seeger) are in the public domain.

From Wikipedia: Thompson describes himself as a Christian conservative and a Republican.

"Christian Conservative" is an oxymoron. So is "Christian Republican". From The Bible (King James Version):

Luke 6:24 "But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation."

Luke 11:46 "And he [Jesus] said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers."

Luke 11:52 "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

And that's just a few choice quotes from a single book. And guess what? God doesn't like bankers much, either (but that's a different topic).

-mcgrew

From Wikipedia: Thompson describes himself as a Christian conservative and a Republican.

"Christian Conservative" is an oxymoron. So is "Christian Republican". From The Bible (King James Version):

Luke 6:24 "But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation."

Luke 11:46 "And he [Jesus] said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers."

Luke 11:52 "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

And that's just a few choice quotes from a single book. And guess what? God doesn't like bankers much, either (but that's a different topic).

-mcgrew

From Wikipedia: Thompson describes himself as a Christian conservative and a Republican.

"Christian Conservative" is an oxymoron. So is "Christian Republican". From The Bible (King James Version):

Luke 6:24 "But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation."

Luke 11:46 "And he [Jesus] said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers."

Luke 11:52 "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

And that's just a few choice quotes from a single book. And guess what? God doesn't like bankers much, either (but that's a different topic).

-mcgrew

From Wikipedia: Thompson describes himself as a Christian conservative and a Republican.

"Christian Conservative" is an oxymoron. So is "Christian Republican". From The Bible (King James Version):

Luke 6:24 "But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation."

Luke 11:46 "And he [Jesus] said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers."

Luke 11:52 "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

And that's just a few choice quotes from a single book. And guess what? God doesn't like bankers much, either (but that's a different topic).

-mcgrew

doesn't the store have a right to stop shoplifting?

No. The store only has the right to attempt to stop shoplifting provided they obey the law while doing so. I remember you from K5, CTS, you've always been a facist and a lunatic. Remember me telling you to take your meds?

To others: this guy has some mental issues. One of his personalities is a libertarian, one is a commie, and one is a facist. His name is Legion and he really should take his meds, like I told him to do many times (before his friend and K5 admin jongular pissed me off enough to leave the site in disgust).

okay: you're obligated to show your receipt

He's also a fucking illiterate. CTS, you are NOT obligated to show your reciept! ...as a previous poster tried vainly to tell you. They can ask for it, you are NOT obligated to comply. I'm sorry that I can't find small enough words for your tiny little neocon facist mind to comprehend.

i would suggest that such people who think so have no idea what fascism really is!

I would suggest that YOU have no more of an idea what facism is than you have an idea what literacy and sanity are.

-mcgrew (link is to an argument with CTS I found in Google).
My home page
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are very few wealthy Christians, although most wealthy people would like you to think they are Christians.

The necktie is Satan's leash, symbol of wealth and power. A "Christian" wearing a necktie or pearls is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I know you didn't mean to inject flamebait, but your ignorance needs to be corrected. Christians don't act like that, although the churches are filled with hypocrites who are closet athiests and agnostics. Look at Bush - how can a man who would execute more men than any Governor in the history of the state that executes more men than any otrher state, then start a senseless war to enrich his own coffers (he's an oil man, after all) possibly claim to be a Christian? Yet people still believe he is one.

People like him give real Christians a bad name.

-mcgrew

PS: Interestingly, the capcha is "dollar", which is what all rich people worship. Fitting.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are very few wealthy Christians, although most wealthy people would like you to think they are Christians.

The necktie is Satan's leash, symbol of wealth and power. A "Christian" wearing a necktie or pearls is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I know you didn't mean to inject flamebait, but your ignorance needs to be corrected. Christians don't act like that, although the churches are filled with hypocrites who are closet athiests and agnostics. Look at Bush - how can a man who would execute more men than any Governor in the history of the state that executes more men than any otrher state, then start a senseless war to enrich his own coffers (he's an oil man, after all) possibly claim to be a Christian? Yet people still believe he is one.

People like him give real Christians a bad name.

-mcgrew

PS: Interestingly, the capcha is "dollar", which is what all rich people worship. Fitting.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are very few wealthy Christians, although most wealthy people would like you to think they are Christians.

The necktie is Satan's leash, symbol of wealth and power. A "Christian" wearing a necktie or pearls is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I know you didn't mean to inject flamebait, but your ignorance needs to be corrected. Christians don't act like that, although the churches are filled with hypocrites who are closet athiests and agnostics. Look at Bush - how can a man who would execute more men than any Governor in the history of the state that executes more men than any otrher state, then start a senseless war to enrich his own coffers (he's an oil man, after all) possibly claim to be a Christian? Yet people still believe he is one.

People like him give real Christians a bad name.

-mcgrew

PS: Interestingly, the capcha is "dollar", which is what all rich people worship. Fitting.

13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

13:18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

So, why is this comment insightful?

He is commenting on the rewrite of the "Xenu" thing, by doing a similar rewrite of my Christian Bible (yes, I'm paying to host that).

Of course, the difference is that you or I can see the "original" King James Bible, whereas the Scien[ce fiction]toligsts' bible is verbotten to you or I. You has to pays yer moneys.

Yes, it was a bit flamebaitish but it did illustrate his point very well. I'd have modded him as the other mods modded, despite the fact that I'm Christian.

Real religious people aren't afraid of words (in fact real faith destroys all fears). It's a weak faith that can't stand up to mere words. If you're looking at a pebble it's pretty hard to convince you pebbles don't exist. When God has manifested Himself to you, it's likewise pretty damned hard for someone to shake your faith.

If you don't believe in Africa you sound pretty foolish to someone who's been there, no matter how convincing your argument.

There's also the whole personality-driven thing, in which Jerry Falwell, Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, and their demons play a major part

Jerry Falwell, Ralph Reed, and Pat Robertson are the "wolves in sheep's clothing" that Christ warned his followers about. See Matthew 19:23: "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

Never trust a preacher who wears a $5,000 Armani suit and lives in a $20,000,000 mansion.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

The Walton family (which owns the majority of stock) is quite religious

Yes, they are. They practice America's State Religion, Capitalism. They worship the almighty dollar. They are NOT Christians, as some folks seem to think they are.

Christians are forbidden from exploiting the poor, while Capitalists (who worship mammon) are required to.

The Waltons may think they worship God, but they don't. Neither does George Bush or Pat Robertson, two other famous Capitalists who pretend to be Christians.

Here's the documentation if you don't believe me

Evil isn't relative, but some people aren't honest, making it seem that way. Being conservative isn't evil, but contributing to global warming and bombing abortion clinics is.

"Piracy is evil" is an evil lie! Well, actually piracy in the old sense of the word (high seas) is, but copyright infringement, as it hurts nobody (and the studies all prove it) is not. No harm, no foul, no evil.

Now, sending a Conservative to Matthew 19:24 might be kind of evil ;)

Being a Christian, one of the things that saddened me greatly about my religion was how many believers were so unwilling to delve into religion.

Saddens you about your religion? It isn't your (our) religion at fault, it's people who consider themselves Christians, but really aren't.

I'm not saddened by my religion, but it saddens me that the "wolves in sheep's clothing" that Christ warned us about are less of a threat than the wolves in shepherd's clothing.

One of these men is Pat Robertson, a man in a $4,000.00 suit ("It is as hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle") calling for assassination of a foreign leader. MY religion does NOT advocate killing anyone for any reason whatever - in fact, not only am I commanded to not kill, I am also commanded to forgive those who do me wrong, to love those that hate me and do good to those who would persecute (and prosecute) me.

Another one who claims to be a Christian also wears Armani suits, executed more people than any other state Governor in any state in history, and started a needless war that has killed tens or hundreds of thousands.

Bush and Robertson's "Christianity" isn't my Christianity, and the only thing that saddens me is that people believe that these wolves in shepherd's clothing are Christians.

They are idol worshipers, kneeling at the altar of the golden calf, worshiping mammon. It saddens me that people follow these idol worshipers straight into hell, belkieveing they're following Christ.

What's saddest is that all you have to do to to be aware of this is RTFM. People complain that there isn't an owner's manual for life, but there are several.

The Jews and Muslims worship the same God as Christians. Bin Laden is no more Muslim than Bush is Christian.

I had a "nice" conversation with a woman who thought drinking was evil, she was horrified when I said that on Christ's last night on this world, he and his friends had a wild drinking party, and Christ was angered that his friends were all passed out and he didn't have anybody to talk to. She was also horrified that the bible doesn't mention smoking at all, anywhere, despite the fact that people have been smoking various substances, mostly intoxicating substances, for hundreds of thousands of years.

It's the High Priests of Mammon (Corporates) who want to ban smoking and drinking; it cuts down on their profits. So the idol worshipers convince Christians that the Christian Bible says not to do these things, when it DOESN'T.

But it isn't Christianity's fault.

RTFM, n00b!

If this current one only lasted half a second, the one Sagan described must have been huge. Problem was that the event flew straight in the face of Psalm 119 which reads:
As it was in the beginning, is now, and always shall be: for ever and ever. Amen.

Bullshit. Monks, of all people, would have read the New Testament, which starts off with a new star that heralded Christ's birth.

(MRC="pretend")

PS: Psalms 119 says no such thing.

Folks like you (not schooled in art) say "I don't know what art is, but I know what I like."

One of my art instructors was fond of saying "I know what art is, but I don't know what I like."

The fact that you hated the elephant dung piece so vehemently is proof that it IS art. Art is NOT a pretty picture on the wall (sometimes if it is stunningly beautiful, but not simply "pretty"); if it doesn't elicit a reaction, it isn't art.

You probably don't consiter a Picasso to be art, either. However, if you do consider Picasso an artist, you will be chagrined to learn that in his final years, he drew and painted nothing but vaginas (google if you wish, or search a wiki).

Matt Groening hiliariously shredded you folks in a Simpsons cartoon where Flanders tried to ge Michalangelo's "David" censored. Or don't you consider Michaelangelo an artist either?

As to your Christianity, you might want to read a little of the NEW testament - you know, the part that actually has Christ in it.

Before you try to take the speck out of my eye, you might get the two by four out of your own (yes, I paraphrased Jesus there).

Unless you are without sin, perhaps you should drop your rocks, eh? You raise your children as you see fit, read, watch, and ignore what you want, pray for those you think are sinners (as if you're not), speak against what you percieve as evil, and leave everyone else alone? Because, after all, that IS what Jesus would have done. Hypocrite.

BTW, I'm a Christian. That means I'm against the war (ANY war, my greatest sin was being in the Air Force) and against capitol punishment. And FOR a higher minimum wage and universal health care. Again, you might want to crack open the last several chapters of your Bible, you folks seem to have not read much past Deuteronomy. Have you read the Song Of Solomon? I'd have to place that part of my bible (yes, I posted it there) in an XXX domain.

It's hypocrites like you and Pat Robertson who give Christians a bad name.

-mcgrew

Remember, this is the president who actually beleives god instructs him personally

No, this president is the one who wants Christians to actually believe that God instructs him personally. I don't believe Bush believes it, he just wants you to.

Christians don't execute people as Bush did as Texas governor (nor do they condone capital punishment). Christians don't wage war, let alone start wars on the basis of lies.

Do you really believe that Bush believes that the meek are blessed, or that it is as hard for a rich man like Bush to enter the kingdom of heaven as it is to get a camel through the eye of a needle? Christians believe that if a man asks for your coat you should give him your cloak as well.

Christians forgive. Christians don't judge. Christians love gays. They hate sodomy, but they love sodomists. Being sinners themselves, how could they judge the sins of the sodomists? Christians believe that we all are sinners, and only Christ can save us from our sins, whether those sins be sodomy, adultery, theift, "coveting thy neighbor's ass" or anything else.

Bush is no Christian. Bush is using "pornography" and Christianity itself to further his unChristian authoritarian agenda. Bush is the "wolf in sheep's clothing" that Jesus warned his followers about.

The government isn't so damned stupid that they think a US law will keep a Russian with a server in Crackistan from serving porn. They do, however, think the US public is stupid enough to believe it.

Religious people don't just want to remove [insert_immoral_action_here] from their own life. They beleive it is their sacred duty to prevent everyone else from doing it as well.

That's a damned wide brush you're painting folks with, fellow. The majority of Christians don't. ...we also don't bomb abortion clinics. Most of us don't, anyway.

Here's a link to what Christians really believe.

Yeah, you're one hell of a Christian, ain't ya? You're a damned liar, buddy. You worship money, not God.

Meanwhile, my heathen musician friends GIVE THEIR MUSIC AWAY!

One last note, fellow: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" (look it up).