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If you want to see what yutes do, look at Joomla.

If you want to see what experienced people do, look at Drupal.

They both give you a similar site, but have drastically different APIs and development philosophies.

Joomla is shiny and overcomplex, but also has an incredibly arrogant userbase and development team. It's easy to use, and helps people who need to...compansate to feel...bigger.

Drupal is an industrial-strength workhorse. It's not for the faint of heart, but can be used to create massive, powerful and dependable sites.

I've been Using Joomla since the pre-Joomla 1.5 days, so have seen the arc of development. The current 3.5 version is light years ahead of the 1.5 era, especially in terms of the user experience and upgrades. I am a retired computer database admin, but do not have MySQL or PHP skills. If I was well experienced in those two languages, I might be a lover of Drupal. But without PHP background, Drupal is daunting. So that took it off my plate. I rarely get into the PHP code, though I've dabbled in replacing a line now and then. Mostly, I use and revel in the menuing system, which like Wordpress, lets the entire edifice be managed.

It is worth mentioning that Wordpress is the most popular CMS in the world, at 26.4% of the entire Internet (gazillions of sites), that Joomla is second at 2.6% of the entire Internet (millions of sites), that Drupal is third at 2.2% of the entire Internet (millions of sites),and the rest come in at or under 1%. Wordpress is a blog-specific CMS, while Joomla and Drupal are general purpose CMS's.

If I were upgrading a 1.5 site to a current 3.5 site, it depends on how complex the site is, specifically how many articles. If less than 100, I would do it manually, and copy each article by hand. Larger than that, and I would use a migration tool. Look here: https://docs.joomla.org/Joomla.... That being said, I have wasted a lot of time on migration tools, and I usually opt for a manual rebuild. Ultimately, it is faster and much cleaner. Think of a Windows "upgrade" vs a Windows "clean install". Similar experience. Easier but clunkier :).

What I love about Joomla 3.5, over 1.5 is that the upgrade process has gone from ugly to good. In Joomla 3.5, you simply look in two places, the "Joomla Component" to upgrade the Joomla Core, and the "Extensions/Update" manager to upgrade all extensions. To upgrade, simply click the "Upgrade now" button, and "Voila", the upgrades are completed within a few seconds. Light years ahead of the manual processes needed in Joomla 1.5. This means ongoing administration is quick and simple. It is worth mentioning too, that Joomla 3.5 is completely designed to be automatically scalable from Smartphones to Tablets to PC's, where Joomla 1.5 was strictly PC's.

Manually, I would first create an empty 3.5 site. I would then install a current template and try to configure it to look as much like the original as I could. This actually will be the hardest step, and the most artistic. Then I would first create and copy over all the articles and categories as needed, then later the menues. The BEST way to copy articles is to switch to the HTML view, and copy the pure HTML code. Trying to copy the wysiwyg view is never satisfactory. Articles can be copied at the speed of CTRL-C, CTRL-V, which is pretty fast. Then I would create the menu structure and assign the articles and categories, as in the original. Finally, I would examine all the addons, the components, modules and plugins that were added to the original. It will be necessary to find the 3.5 equivalents. Install each one, and configure it as close as you can to the original.

I usually copy the images for the "image" folder lock stock and barrel to the "images" folder on the new site. While Joomla 3.5 does away from the need for the "stories" folder (it was required in Joomla 1.5, not needed but ok in Joomla 3.5), it will still be true that the copied over articles all point to the "images/stories" folder. So unless you want to modify every image link in every article, you can just leave them as they are.

I might add that the two extensions that I always insist on are the JCE editor component and the Akeeba backup component. Both are free, and superb. Good luck however you go.

You don't want a Wiki, you want a Content Management System (CMS). I'd suggest Joomla. There are lots of extensions for delivering video.

You don't want a Wiki, you want a Content Management System (CMS). I'd suggest Joomla. There are lots of extensions for delivering video.

> a distributor can distribute something that is "the work" alongside (and potentially intermingled with) something that isn't "the work" without causing the two to become mixed

I'm not sure how you can have it "intermingled with" but not "mixed", but les pretend that sentence somehow makes sense.
You pointed to the aggregation clause. You looked at the second half of the sentence, how about the first half of the sentence you point to:

        A compilation of a covered work with other separate and independent works, which are not by their nature extensions of the covered work,

        and which are not combined with it ..

So that applies to "separate and independent works" which are NOT extensions of the original work.
So would that apply to the stuff on http://extensions.joomla.org/ ? Interesting URL, isn't that? Your argument can make sense only if you claim that Joomla extensions aren't extensions of Joomla.

"Mere aggregation" is when two SEPARATE works such as Apache and Firefox are burned to the same disk.

The lines are more blurred than you suggest. What about, say, the Linux kernel and Apache? The latter makes use of the services provided by the former, in much the same way that a plugin for a web application uses services provided by that application, but does that mean Linux builds of it can only be distributed under the terms of the GPL? Most people seem to assume otherwise, and I fail to see the practical distinction between the two cases discussed here.

Actually, I never said their format is bad; just that mine is better; in many ways, mostly for my own purposes. It has virtually nothing to do with K&R indenting, which was actually invented in the early days of C, when file size was a much bigger issue than it is now.

You see, I write plugins for all three of the "big" CMSes (Drupal, WordPress, and Joomla).

I use a common base class, and about 90% of the code is completely cross-coded. It's a sort of "M-V/C" pattern, with the C and V being mixed up a lot. It's an outstanding way to generate extremely robust and high-quality UX across systems. I've been doing it for a long time, and in many different languages.

I won't rewrite all the code used in the other plugins, just to please one set of folks. They have every right to enforce a common style, and I have every right to release mine on GitHub. The Drupal folks are geekier than most, so fetching the plugin from elsewhere isn't a big deal. It would be more of a big deal for the WordPress crowd or the Joomla crowd.

As I said, it really is all about personal style. However, in all my years of coding, one thing that I have learned, is that geeks LOVE to say "you were wrong", so I'm glad I was able to provide that service for you.

Cheers!

Actually, I never said their format is bad; just that mine is better; in many ways, mostly for my own purposes. It has virtually nothing to do with K&R indenting, which was actually invented in the early days of C, when file size was a much bigger issue than it is now.

You see, I write plugins for all three of the "big" CMSes (Drupal, WordPress, and Joomla).

I use a common base class, and about 90% of the code is completely cross-coded. It's a sort of "M-V/C" pattern, with the C and V being mixed up a lot. It's an outstanding way to generate extremely robust and high-quality UX across systems. I've been doing it for a long time, and in many different languages.

I won't rewrite all the code used in the other plugins, just to please one set of folks. They have every right to enforce a common style, and I have every right to release mine on GitHub. The Drupal folks are geekier than most, so fetching the plugin from elsewhere isn't a big deal. It would be more of a big deal for the WordPress crowd or the Joomla crowd.

As I said, it really is all about personal style. However, in all my years of coding, one thing that I have learned, is that geeks LOVE to say "you were wrong", so I'm glad I was able to provide that service for you.

Cheers!

I've been using Dreamweaver for about 12 years, great piece of software - for static websites, and if you want to maintain it yourself.

However, from some of the previous pieces of software the author has used, it sounds like his best solution is a content management system. Sadly, for most of these, it does mean a rewrite of the site, but it sounds like he is doing that anyways every couple of years.

Go with something like Wordpress http://wordpress.org/ or Joomla http://www.joomla.org/ . You just do not know the relief it is when clients have their own ability to change content - both for stress on your end and to get stuff done in a timely fashion on their end. Both (especially Wordpress, not as familer with Joomla) have been around for years, and are pretty well established. And many hosting providers will install these on your site free of charge, so all you really have to do is set it up. I would look into some themes though - the default layouts for Wordpress kind of irritate me - maybe because I have seen so many sites using that default template that its gotten old. But there are TONS of themes and plugins out there for both systems.

This is tired old FUD that you Microsoft shills trot out all the time.

Can you name one technology that Microsoft innovated? And by the way, it doesn't count if they bought it from someone else.

Ok, now to your original question:
1. Alchemy
2. Bespin
3. Bitcoin
4. eyeOS
5. KDE Social Desktop
6. Ksplice
7. Unity
8. HTTP, the Web, TCP/IP, and ARPAnet
9. X Windows
10. Perl
11. Slashdot
12. Google keeps playing with open source, but can't make up their minds. Here are some
13. Microsoft plays with open source, here are some. This must just eat you up. Too bad, Open Source is everywhere.
14. Here are some more innovative open source projects.

Now, I expect you to provide at least 5 innovative projects Microsoft created within the last 10 years. (Sorry, you can't count Windows or Office, since those ideas are much older, and are no longer considered innovative.)

Failing that, at least read what I wrote.

Clearly some do: http://mambo-foundation.org/

And I suspect at least some of these folks still remember Mambo as well: http://www.joomla.org/

I've never understood how a templating language is any more or less difficult than a simple php (or jsp, or whatever) page in which you're doing only presentation-- displaying data provided to you by other system components. It's still code, no matter how you cut it. A look at the example provided at the bottom of the Understanding Joomla! templates page bears this out yet again. Except you have the added benefit of several additional components to be configured separately in XML and INI files (but as part of the same template).

How does one expect something to be fixed without it being reported? More over was it Joomla! or was it a third party extension?

http://docs.joomla.org/Vulnerable_Extensions_List is the second result in google for "joomla vulnerability list" and lists vulnerability for third party extensions. http://developer.joomla.org/security.html does the same for the Core of Joomla.

Finally have you followed the Security Checklist? http://docs.joomla.org/Category:Security_Checklist

How does one expect something to be fixed without it being reported? More over was it Joomla! or was it a third party extension?

http://docs.joomla.org/Vulnerable_Extensions_List is the second result in google for "joomla vulnerability list" and lists vulnerability for third party extensions. http://developer.joomla.org/security.html does the same for the Core of Joomla.

Finally have you followed the Security Checklist? http://docs.joomla.org/Category:Security_Checklist

How does one expect something to be fixed without it being reported? More over was it Joomla! or was it a third party extension?

http://docs.joomla.org/Vulnerable_Extensions_List is the second result in google for "joomla vulnerability list" and lists vulnerability for third party extensions. http://developer.joomla.org/security.html does the same for the Core of Joomla.

Finally have you followed the Security Checklist? http://docs.joomla.org/Category:Security_Checklist

Surprised I didn't see this here yet; Joomla! meets or exceeds all your requirements, has over 4300 extensions for doing anything from document management to e-commerce, needs nothing more than a web-browser for management and best of all it's FREE.

I hardly even code straight HTML anymore, haven't had a project or client that couldn't use it. http://www.joomla.org/

I dunno, I think there might be something here, but also expand on it:

The Dalek model: One strong personality creates the project, and gets it to a first release.. then the other developers overthrow him, split the project, wage holy war upon the rest of the world (and each other), but occasionally bring back the original founder for their own reasons.. overall the project won't die since it's still popular with the masses even though everyone knows it's evil. (I submit 'Joomla/Mambo' for this model)

The Cybermen Model: Have a basic idea/product, but adapt it to every possible platform known to man even though there's little change between them. (I submit as an example the 'Nuke' CMS)

The "Brigadier Sir Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart" model: A project led by a Scottish project lead for the sole-purpose of getting tax credits

>>>with 6 posts, [one] of which seem to have been written by an upset person.

Fixed That For Ya - http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?f=304&t=377189&p=1607349#p1607349 ;-)

I use BOTH systems for the company web site. Joomla!, lets me create and customize things like menus, download zones, galleries of images, a forum, etc. A link points to our blog implemented in Wordpress. There are blog extensions for Joomla, but WP is IMO better than those.

Joomla is both a CMS and a framework to add powerful extensions, and using just for a blog is overkill. Wordpress is a blog (and of course able to present a simple static web site), but is limited beyond that.

Note also that there are many Joomla extensions in order to let other projects being integrated in the Joomla framework. See for example:
http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/content-&-news/blog/6659/details (integrate WP with Joomla)

It's pretty obvious that Joomla will have a larger learning curve so the comparison is really pointless.

Clearly, neither the author of the book, nor reviewer understand web security.

If you want to learn about securing web servers, why not read Ivan Ristic's Apache Security?

Apparently, from the topics discussed in this review, this book has nothing to do with writing secure applications using the Joomla Framework. Seriously, file permission? Using Nmap? Nessus? Talk about using the wrong tools for the job. Not even the Joomla Security page has anything do with actual web application security.

How about going over topics like secure session management, input validation, parameterized queries, output entity encoding, etc?

Take a clue from OWASP and skip this book.

>I don't know any web developer that uses or likes Joomla.

I do. I also been setting up systems to a number of large and small corporations and schools that are more than happy with Joomla.

Joomla maybe isn't for the the programmer type of webdevelopers themselves - they could write their own CMS if they wish/could - but for the publishers who simply want something up and running and than add/remove functions. Joomla give you that. Drupal needs someone to give it a fresh shiny, publisher friendly look exposing it's features when installed by someone who doesn't understand php at all. Look at a no-frills Drupal install w default template, it looks feature-less and plain. Joomla while rather boxy looking atleast it shows of lot's feature in matters of minutes of beeing downloaded.

Joomla is a system that's easy for a designer to do a template for. Yes it really is if you know CMSes and look into a template. Look at XOOPS , EZPublish or Typo3 - absolutely horrible. I say no to anyone asking for EZPublish.

Of course Joomla has it's flaws, the very limited fixed section/category way of organizing articles/pages, still many default modules gives you tablebased code as it looked in 1994, no support for GD built in, no built-in support for auth. against LDAP or other system, I could go on for ever.

Many other open CMSes has the similar oddities and/or misses out on the same obvious features maybe because there are no publishers involved in the development of the functions. Get them involved!

>I've been developing websites since the late 80's
Eh.. no, you haven't.

...before I created my site. It is quite a bit of a different paradigm to use a system such as this.

Getting a mod to be able to publish instantly and post directly to the front page without using the administrator page is a must. I use myContent.

It sounds like paizo.com has gone for the standard open source solution. Fork your own version from the previously licensed product. Since this is going to get support from other pissed-of companies it has the potential to become the majot player, just like Joomla vs Mambo.

yea, hence even joomla added salting: http://www.joomla.org/content/view/3670/78/

shoot...I love a lil' salt and pepper with my steak.

Path.module in Drupal is not really the same as searching for a free-form string through the website. It will not provide free-form search, but rather through the categories or whatever structure Drupal has.

Joomla has that, in the extension: "404 Auto-Redirect Handler for Artio JoomSEF". Its from Dec. 2006 though:
http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,1519/Itemid,35/

Basically, it will convert any 404-page into a search (only with mod_rewrite of course).
If a good hit is found, it will show the page after a 301 redirect (as in Googles Im feeling lucky)
If not, it will show the search results for you to choose from.

I just spent the two last days improving the search using Keyword Density search mambot (Joomlas basic search really, really sucks BAD) and improving the hits from searching the article titles (excluding non-authorized pages and unpublished articles). So it is a bit weird that this comes up now, but am also pretty used to these synchronities now as Im also doing yoga and meditation.

So now, on my web page, a free form search is performed on our Joomla-installation when typing in "www.domain.com/search whatver you like-or even/with different symbols intwined/for_old_pages.php".. Just like in this patent, and maybe even a bit more advanced since it handles symbols and extra garbage like .html - for automatic converting to new sites and good SEO practices. Doing a very good approximized search using Key Density search mambot in Joomla and searching article titles in a more sane way, almost feels like a Google search now (which is a feat in Joomla).

However, the basic functionality of the 404-mambot still covers the same thing as this patent. So my improvements are just that - improvements. Logical developments. AS COMPUTING IS SUPPOSED TO BE, and not being a minefield of legal hurdles.

So this is very, very much obvious. Its just hard to find free software that implements just this exact functionality supposedly covered by the patent, but I found it in Joomla and Im sure being in a general package, it must have been used for some years in specialized websites too.

Posting anonymous since I dont want to be harassed by greedy lawyers.

Will contribute my changes when it is stable. Im sorry I cant provide contact details because of threat of law against free software development. Please call and write your legal representatives about changes to patent law.

Does anyone know of other similar open source projects? In specific, I'm curious if there are other projects like SugarCRM. I know about all the different Wikipedia projects.

Joomla! 1.0 was exactly the same as Mambo (just look at the code and you'll see). On the other hand, Joomla! 1.5 has been completely rewritten from the ground up. It's coding styles and structure remind me a lot of Java for some reason... must be the whole JClass naming convention. However, they have adapted the MVC pattern to every aspect of the CMS now that it has made creating components and modules (with the new structure) quite more complex. The nice part of it though is that you can separate the interface and the backend pretty easily so that changes to the front end don't create changes for the backend (MVC pattern's goal). They have also added a nice API reference: http://api.joomla.org/ which makes developing a hell of a lot easier. If you just wanted to learn the basics of creating a Joomla! extension go here http://dev.joomla.org/component/option,com_jd-wiki /Itemid,32/. So far I like 1.5 but they have quite a few bugs to work out and there isn't an actual release yet so that makes sense as to why :).

Joomla! 1.0 was exactly the same as Mambo (just look at the code and you'll see). On the other hand, Joomla! 1.5 has been completely rewritten from the ground up. It's coding styles and structure remind me a lot of Java for some reason... must be the whole JClass naming convention. However, they have adapted the MVC pattern to every aspect of the CMS now that it has made creating components and modules (with the new structure) quite more complex. The nice part of it though is that you can separate the interface and the backend pretty easily so that changes to the front end don't create changes for the backend (MVC pattern's goal). They have also added a nice API reference: http://api.joomla.org/ which makes developing a hell of a lot easier. If you just wanted to learn the basics of creating a Joomla! extension go here http://dev.joomla.org/component/option,com_jd-wiki /Itemid,32/. So far I like 1.5 but they have quite a few bugs to work out and there isn't an actual release yet so that makes sense as to why :).

If you want something web-based, try out "Taskhopper"

http://taskhopper.com/

It's an addon for the Joomla! Content Management System ( http://www.joomla.org/ )

I have been using it extensively to track customer issues, log new requests, and update and manage any manner of work I might do.

Isn't it? I have a USB key plugged into my machine that has XAMPP on it, and installed copies of Joomla, Mediawiki and other PHP apps as I need. Something to synchronise MySQL databases between machines would be handy but I'm sure there's something around if the need arose.

Vtiger is a SugarCRM fork which is IMHO further developed (Sugar seems to have stopped when it went commercial), and in 'further' I include the ability to integrate with practically the whole Office suite. We don't use half of that because we ditched MS Office for OpenOffice.org and, where possible, Open Source we can use instead - the aim is to abandon the Windows platform altogether. (note to Skype: get video to work on Linux).

Ledger SMB is a SQL Ledger fork which started out of frustrreation with unaddressed security issues in SQL Ledger but which has since moved to do a complete code overhaul (i.e. a large debugging session) and is heading for a 1.3 release with a much cleaner code base which will support APIs for integration. Just lurk on the mailing list and you'll see just how active this project is. IMHO a good sign if you're about to commit your business finance to it, but make sure you gave it firewalled. Not because you have to (code seems to be reasonably OK), but because you should (it's your money we're talking about).

Joomla is a CMS which allows you to knock up a website pretty quickly. Set up DB, instal template and off you go, especially if you use Joomla Cloner for backup. It takes a while to get used to, but CMS is the only way to go for an average size business.

There you go :-).

For anyone interested, that Joomla workaround for PNGs is actually a mambot (not a component): http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_ mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,859/Itemid,35/ ...although I assume mambots will be called something else (joombots?) in version 1.5 or 2.

Have you tried Joomla! 1.5 Beta?

I have been sitting on the fence for some time. The kind of discussion going on now is tilting me towards the Joomla camp considering that I am not a coding expert anymore.

One really anoying thing with PHP/MySQL Solutions is that there's so many of them. And a lot are so crappy it's unbelievable.

Here's my breakdown of systems worth mentioning and that I've worked with/administrated/looked into:

Typo3 - the scariest heap of PHP code ever. 7 years of historically grown code mess. Don't even think of looking at the current data model. The operating system of OSS CMSes, the first to sport a proper GUI and an own configuration language and heavy Ajax use in the backend (before it was called Ajax). Large community. Despite the mess it is, its performance requirements and it's notably difficult install process, it is a very powerfull, flexible, secure and stable system. Usefull extensions number in the thousands and it is one of the bridgeheads of OSS into the corporate world and powers a notable amout of large scale / high profile / heavy traffic websites. It's extremly popular in web agencies throughout the german speaking world (probably because it had a german backend from early on) and basically has allready grown beyond critical mass in Europe. Reddot regularly pee their pants when they hear 'Typo3'. The Webagencies using it as their prime tool are actually called Typo3 agencies sometimes. You can make a fair living as a Typo3 expert in Germany. There's a regular magazine on Typo3 (some articles in english as free PDF available: http://www.yeebase.com/home/ ) and 20+ german books about it.

If you want to dive into an OSS CMS for good it's not the worst choice. If T3 doesn't have it, you probably don't need it. However the learning curve is steep and it's a german-style overengineered monster, despite being initially built by a danish guy. You have been warned.

Note: The T5 team (a subgroup of the core T3 community) is currently rebuilding an entirely new architecture from scratch and plans to be finished with the new branch (Typo3 5.0) in about 2 years. Which actually keeps me interested in the project.

EZ Publish - same league as T3 yet smaller community. Backend less scary. Probably less features.

Joomla - descendant of Mambo, factually it's successor. My and many others favourite. The first turnkey OSS CMS that doesn't look like shit. Hence the raging success. Installation is a breeze. Considered a strong competitor to Typo3 in Germany, despite lacking a German backend. Which means a lot, because Typo3 owns Germany (see above). 1000+ Extensions and Plugins and many German books on it and a magazine aswell - which went broke after 3 issues though :-) .

PHP CMS - yes it's called that way. Very small, simple, no DB needed. My first. Not very big but good enough for small sites.

Drupal seems to much between the above and the Wordpress/b2evolution Blog-park to be of interest to me. I've heard alot about it, he community is very active and a lot of people in the T3 and Joomla Camp accept it as one of theirs. However, there's only so much systems you can look into before it get's pointless. Drupal may be worth a try aswell for those who are interested.

I was a Webmaster. Amongst other things in the field. Now Joomla and the secretaries are doing the job nearly just as good as I ever could. And way cheaper and a milllion times faster. Journalists are moving in fast aswell. And nobody even needs DW anymore to do it. The last time I started DW was more than a year ago. I toyed around a bit for 5 minutes and thought of back in the days of 2000 when we were handlinking entire e-learn lectures with the DW crosshairs and DWs offline template engine. It took us hours to do what any OSS LMS I can download in 3 minutes does in an instant.

Now I make my money setting up the CMS, customizing it, building webapps and designing databases.

The Webmaster went the way of the weaver when the mechanical loom came. And that's a good thing. No need for humans anymore. Automate it and move on. It's a big wave and it's called cyberpunk. Learn to ride it.

http://www.joomla.org/

This is my guess...

I hope they factor in the practical flexibility of a given CMS. I've tried Drupal, Typo3, and Mambo/Joomla. With all of them, you can usually tell which CMS a site uses, e.g. a Drupal site looks like a Drupal site. This is less true for Typo3 and Mambo/Joomla, I think, but admittedly I no longer have any Drupal sites set up (just Typo3 and Mambo, as far as OSS CMS software goes).

And let's talk about average users and training. The Typo3 interface is very frustrating to most of my end-users. Mambo, on the other hand, is much simpler and more streamlined. It doesn't have quite the flexibility of Typo3, but it also doesn't require learning a whole new scripting language (TypoScript) just to get simple things done.

So, though it may be construed as n00b and insufficiently geeky for Slashdot, I'd vote for Mambo... or perhaps Joomla but I haven't upgraded yet.

Admittedly this is not exhaustive, but... all of the open source CMSs I've tried have too many "community" features that need to be disabled for use in a professional environment. This is just frustrating. Is there an OSS CMS that just focuses on kick-ass content management and doesn't care about letting users contribute stories, or running discussion forums, or the like?

Joomla content management system (CMS):

http://www.joomla.org/

Yeah, just ask the folks over at Joomla how to come up with a clever new name...

In the community the deployment pipeline often gets neglected. I know this problem myself. You keep dev'ing at the project and tend ignore end-user ready deployment. And they have to fuss about with old versions. Luckyly we're seeing a break in this trend with OSS projects getting into competetive marketing and end-user management.

Hmm... well, the main advantage of LAMP is that the various pieces Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP work really really well with each other. On the development tools side, there isn't anything free that matches Visual Studio in sheer development speed (I use vim myself), but I've heard good things about PHP Eclipse. On the database side, PHPMyAdmin beats everything else I've ever used, open source and commercial. If you're really interested in rapid development and programming ease, I'd suggest looking into Ruby on Rails.

However, the real wealth of tools come in the form of the applications that are built on top of the LAMP stack, including blogging tools and Content Management Systems which make creating and maintaining a website infinitely easier.

Moreover, this is a fork of yet another cms: FOYACMS. I like the ring of that.. FOYACMS. Maybe this should be the new name!

Having said that, I think people interested in a CMS for personal or small business use should look into Joomla. It is very easy to administer and install, provides a lot of flexibility in layout and content and has a lot of community support.

Better than the other way around. The Mambo / Joomla ( http://www.joomla.org/ ) split comes to mind, where Miro wanted to start a foundation but didn't include most of the core development team on that foundation. In that case, the foundation seemed to serve the purpose of bringing an open source product BACK in control of the company that set it free as OSS in the past.

How about...Joomla? (formerly known as Mambo)

I call bullshit.

Content Management Systems can be updated very quickly.

Here's a little flash demo of adding a new article to a joomla site(the demo's about 1meg of flash)

Do you know how a demo site works?

Visistors can change the whole thing and it will be reset once in a while.

I gues thats what happened over there.

Joomla is just a real good piece of software and their upcomming 1.1 release will be something else. http://www.joomla.org/content/view/663/74/

Wim

Joomla seems to advocate porn. Look at their demo page -- it has a direct, working link to xxx.com. While they may have intended this to be an "example.com" type of link, probably not the best choice -- or maybe it is, depending on your point of view!

http://www.joomla.org/

And know you can check joomla :
http://www.joomla.org/


Gavroche Le Gnou
Flash Xml Socket Server

A plea to the Joomla! community for an unprecedented level of courteousness:

http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,6785.msg49 863.html#msg49863

The announcement to which you refer is NOT an official announcement - it is mearly a news item on one community member's site. Furthermore, that particular community member is not a native english speaker.

If you're interested in reading the OFFICIAL announcement, head over to http://www.joomla.org/