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Joomla's Project Director Talks 1.1
daria42 writes "It's been a hectic six months for the Joomla open-source CMS since its split from the Mambo project, but according to this interview with project director Andrew Eddie there are even faster times ahead. Next week Joomla will make its formal debut at LinuxWorld Expo in Boston, with the milestone Joomla 1.1 release due towards the end of April. As Mambo and Joomla continue to diverge, Eddie says, users and developers will be forced to declare their colours and pick one or the other for production sites."
What is Joomla, and why should I care?
Ah yes that's right, Salshdotters need to always use Wikipedia as reference guide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joomla
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
yet another CMS, add it to the list only 548 to choose from, so dont let anyone tell you OSS doesnt give you a choice
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You can't just make up words and acronyms and post it on the front page.
Is there any place where I can find a concise list of meaningful differences between Mambo and Joomla ? Most of the time a project is forked over political reasons or simply because some lame coder wants to make some useless changes and call it his own. Seeing as this is a CMS, I can't personally see why they would need diverging feature sets that can't be merged back into the main tree. They're both doing the same job, no ?
-Billco, Fnarg.com
This is right next to where I work and we use joomla on the company portal. Anyone have more info on when this will be presented? I cant find any information on the convention website:S 06A/SN919567
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http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/events/12BO
and the link is slashdotted...
Apparently exhibits and keynotes are free.
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register///
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
I tried, but there isn't a -1 Clueless option. Anyone who thinks being able to move files around directories is a reasonable substitute for a full blown CMS in all cases needs their attitude readjusting.
Seriously, wtf with the naming guys. You think someone surfing through a linux app menu would have any idea what tasks these apps perform? I sure don't...
You'll be able to test it out at OpenSourceCMS.com
I had college once, but I drank some fluids and got a lot of rest and eventually it was cured.
All well and good, but the real step needed for OSS CMS is to create one that an average user can administer. By "average" I mean anyone who isn't a hard core code geek. The kind of person who is comfortable installing these systems to their server, but who is more interested in tweaking the look and adding content than spending hours figuring out the arcane thinking of the people who wrote the code.
I've tried Joomla, as well as few other top rated CMS, and found all of them pretty much imcomprehensible. I'm sure that there is some underlying logic to the Administration of each of these systems, but I have failed to find it. Terminology, functionality, it all cries out for testing by real users.
Blog software like Wordpress has managed to make Administration nice, understandable, and constantly improving, so why can't CMS like Joomla do the same?
And of course, they really do need some real documentation, not half baked wikis and forums.
Three Squirrels
I've been using Joomla for a while now and it is definitely the way to go in the Mambo vs. Joomla decision. Joomla is really great for personal sites because of the vast number of themes/modules/plugins/etc. out there. The only problem is that a lot of these 3rd party components are far from being a stable, polished final product. I think that if Joomla wants to be used more in the business world then it probably has a lot of work to do, but for less "mission critical" uses Joomla is the way to go. I think that Joomla could learn a lot from another big open source CMS, Drupal, when it comes to building a CMS for business uses.
As an aside, is it required that all CMSs have ridiculous names?
Oh no, Joomla, what a weird name! ... Except that Gimp or Apache make me think of a bondage loving dude in Pulp Fiction and an Indian ('Indian' speaking of bad naming)
Joomla had too much negative press (security wise) recently for me to consider it as a CMS. Not that I wouldn't touch anything that ever had a security issue, since security issues simply cannot be avoided. But at some point, there have been just too many of them, so that I have to think about whether the current programmers might be too careless.
If you think that opinion is too hard, let me ask you: Do you still use wu-ftpd, or phpBB?
Sounds really cool.
What, did you expect something witty and sarcastic?
Joomla is a great product and has fairly good support for an open source app. I have been using it for awhile now, and while it does contain bugs (like every other piece of software) they are fixed quickly.
Anyone who says it cannot be used for a professional site is mistaken. I admit it does take getting used to, but wouldn't any CMS with this amount of control have a learning curve?
To all you people knocking it, you really should take a look at it. I'm not a professional web developer nor am I a programmer of any language. None of this mattered and I was able to publish a professional looking company website with a lot of functionality for other employees to update content without knowing HTML.
Joomla is lacking in specific areas (robust ACL is the biggest in my opinion), but I can only tell you of my experiences.
it sounds like a racial slur..
"Another goddamn pack of joomlas coming over the border to take our jobs!"
Any /.ers know of any useful comparisons between the various CMS systems out there? I don't just want a list of features but an actual comparison with ease-of-use, etc. I need to use something for my personal site.
Do really dense people warp space more than others?
The article didn't say anything about new features, and was just a fluff piece. The last paragraph had a one sentence blurp about "more object-oriented features", but that was it.
In Soviet Russia, I ruled you
Are you kidding me? Joomla and its counterpart have to be the easiest to use CMS software ever designed!
:).
Yes it can look a little daunting, but as another poster has pointed out... CMSes are infinitely more complex than a blog. What are you thinking? A CMS with an interface as simple as Wordpress would be absolutely uselss as a CMS. Basically... it'd be a blog
Quit yer whining. Seriously. If you can't admin a CMS then you have no right in even bothering to try. And complaining about the complexity of the interface is ludicrous.
That's like complaining about the complexity of AutoCAD, or Lightwave. "Waa this is too hard, it should be easier!" Uhh no it shouldn't. It's already really very good, (yes there's always room for improvement), but the truth of the matter is: it's just that you don't have the required knowledge, and you're too much of a whining complainer to spend the 30 minutes it would take playing with the system in order to fully comprehend it.
And just to get something straight. No I'm not saying Joomla is anywhere close to being as comples as Lightwave or AutoCAD.
Does anybody have a recommendation for a CMS similar to Joomla or Drupal that doesn't require a separate database server? Something that gets by with either the file system or SQLite? WYSIWYG content creation is a must in this application, so Wikis aren't an option.
I like the name "Joomla".
It's got the virtues you mention (available, memorable, meaningful).
Plus, I just like it, for reasons that aren't reasons because I can't explain them.
-kgj
-kgj
I think this is only true for the "average" non-professional fan site or personal blog / project.
When thinking of an "enterprise grade" CMS that a commercial site might use, where there are complex content management problems that involve complicated taxonomy and multi users and editors, it can be expected that the administration is going to be complex as well. This is not to say that the admins of such a site should know code (though it might help), but it just a whole different level of management from someone's *nuke site or WordPress blog or whatever...
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Yes, the current Joomla is based largely on Mambo, that's because they recently split. But from what I understand, Joomla 1.1 (I'm hearing it will actually be called 1.5) will have a new underlying structure that makes everything more uniform and easier to use, as well as making less problems for third parties and their components/modules. What I also like about Joomla over Mambo is that Mambo releases patches maybe once every four months and just for a security issue. Joomla releases patches to fix minor bugs and security issues more on a monthly basis, which, in my eyes, is good because it shows they're listening and are constantly galvanizing their product, not just letting it stagnate.
Joomla is awesome and I hope it will continue to grow;. However I always advise my clients to use Mambo (4.5.1 even) simply because Mambo and Joomla (> 4.5.1) have compatibility problems with Safari and most of my clients are Safari users.
The problem is that buttons like Save / Cancel / etc. do not work when editing an article either in the front-end or the back end. Sometimes even in FireFox they fail. And no, IE is not an option. All these buttons work fine in any browser in Mambo versions right up to 4.5.1.
Good whitepaper that has made slashdot before.
Seth Gottlieb from Optaros, an open source consulting firm, does a good job going through the various solutions.
http://www.optaros.com/wp/wp_5_cms_report.shtml
Ooo man the floppy drive is broken. No wait. The computer is just upside down.
Joomla, Mambo, xNuke.... they all make me want to puke. They are for those without the creativity or capabilty to code their own dynamic site.
:P
Dump on PHP all you like, I'm sure I can find similar mindless crap for other scritping languages.
I'm so sick of the perl superiority complex around here... it just does not perform as well, that is all there is to it. This site is an excellent example of its dreadful performance.
And oh yeah, CMSs suck!
Both Joomla and Mambo are Swahili words, mambo being a greeting that roughly translates to an informal "how are you" and jumla means "together".
Anyhow, that makes jumla or joomla a good name for a CMS; "together" certainly makes more sense than "hey what's up?". I'm not sure why it's anglicised with two OOs, since in Swahili that makes a long "oh" sound, but maybe there already is a project spelled jumla... which would just go to show how hard it is to find a name for a project these days (see Phoenix->Firebird->Firefox).
/Forgive the errors, haven't written much English for 6 months
//Nipo Dar es Salaam
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If you need to manage data us an RDBMS.
CMSs are for idiots.