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1. Convince TiVo to make there device a truly 100% open programmable device with the ability to store content unencrypted and to be able to transfer the content onto your computer. Such a device will be 100% legal but you bet they will get sued beyond belief which is probably the number one reason isn't right now. So, in order to prevent this from being a reason convince EFF to provide them with legal assistance and funding to fight the battle in court.
2. We, the open source community can develop such a device ourself. I am in fact planning on doing just that. For more details see This Message that I posted to the livid-user mailing list. If you are interested fell free to email me at kevin at atkinson dhs org.

Choice number 1 will defiantly be preferable as it will get more public attention, however, choice number 2 is something we as geeks can defiantly do.

The card works well in both Windows (98, 2k, don't know about XP) and Linux (particularly with the XFree86 4.0.x and 4.1.x series of drivers).

I've heard the AIW supports DVD playback well, but as I don't have a DVD I couldn't tell you.

Insomnia, the lead developer at GATOS, the ATI video project, has accomplished miracles with this series of cards and the GATOS program itself will handle just about any type of TV video input you could throw at it.

In my experience both GATOS and the XFree86 teams have more solid work on the Linux side of things than the ATI people on Windows (go figure). Not that I don't appreciate the ATI work on Windows, but it works...

Appologies for the confusion, it turns out that while it has been two sleeps, it has only been one day since I installed them.

I do not know exactly when the packages turned up, but I installed them Wed Nov 21 00:59:53 CET 2001.

My best guess on the SuSE packages is that they arrived on the 21st, i.e. the same day that KDE announced it, but, one day before slashdot announced it.

Mind you, on a related note. Know how I discovered that XFree4.2.0 has been frozen? Because 4.2.0 drivers for my ATI card have been released. Now, I just need to wait for 4.2.0... :-)

Try some other programs - I also have not had luck with Xine.

There is the Linux Video Project which produces a DVD player for linux.

There is MPlayer which is capable of playing DVD's...

But the one that I have had the most success with is the VideoLan Client. Despite the name, it is essentially a DVD player for many OS'es, with a built-in CSS decryptor. I have used it very successfully.

http://www.linuxvideo.org/devel/data/ac3dec.tar.gz

• It's part of the Linux Video project, which describes it as "completely useless to 99.99 percent of users out there. It is mostly of use to those interested in audio coding research and evaluating codecs."
• There's an XMMS plugin for it.
• It's also part of the ALSA project, which chances are provides your sound drivers if you're using one of several popular Linux distributions.
• RPMFind also has RPMS for it (try rpmfind ac3dec!)

Before someone accuses me of being a karma whore - I'm already over the cap and sinking towards 50 fast!

Here is a list of gcc-3.0 improvements over gcc-2.95.3. As for myself, I really appreciate the libstdc++-3.0 support.

I am less than enthusiatic about the

New warnings for C code that may have undefined semantics because of violations of sequence point rules in the C standard (such as a = a++;, a[n] = b[n++]; and a[i++] = i;), included in -Wall.

OMS/LiVid code, in particular, trips this up.

Been there. The TWINVIEW_README file has no mention of RCA, TV, or S-video. Like Yetti stories, there are comments about support Real Soon Now, and some who say specific GeForce cards could do it...but no eyewitness accounts.

Another downside is that different Geforce cards use different chipsets to program the TV-out. Here are a couple comments on this (grabbed from Usenet via. a groups.google.com search);

1. comp.os.linux.hardware:
2. "try to set up twinview according to the READMEs and set up a TV friendly ( NTSC or PAL compatible ) resolution on the second head (*) and then "somehow" program the video encoder on the gfx card to turn on the TV out. Some GF2MX cards use the bt869 encoder, which is documented and even has a driver ( in the lm_sensors package , search on google.com ), I don't know what yours has."

...or this...

1. comp.windows.x.i386unix:
2. Hi, is there anybody around who has a working Geforce 2 MX Twinview AGP-card in dualhead mode under Linux (not nvidia's own driver built-in twinview, but two different screens with two independent desktops)?

   I can't get it working. Twinview works fine, but because the windowmanager is not able to detect 2 screens, windows are generally opened across both screens. I'm tired of moving every window to its right place. So I want two sessions on two independent desktops (kde 2.1.1). Is it possible?

Unfortunately, no followups on either thread. An extensive search showed more of the same; lots of second-hand sightings, but no Yetti.

ATI cards -- also promising -- come up short as well. The TV-out hardware hasn't changed on these cards in years, yet nobody can figure out how to enable it...and ATI isn't helping. The Gatos project has most of ATI's special video features working but still no video out.

One ray of hope comes from the comments of Dalinian (previous message) who seems to have peppy XMMS visual plugins. That's promising. Yet, Dalinian doesn't play 3D games, so couldn't confirm -- yet! (hope!) -- that 3D is actually enabled or that the card is simply faster with the new drivers.

Well, It's about time for me to upgrade my home theater... This time around I wanted a monitor rather than a TV anyway...

I guess all I'd need is to install LiVid. Which would be the most impressive to see, Ronin or Titanic... hmmm. Definately Ronin.

Imagine playing Quake on this bad boy!
--

The lights flash, and a siren wails. "Damn cops, they are on to me." As I pull over I flip the face plate down so they can't see I have cajun in the car and quickly hit the hidden record button

"Do you know why I pulled you over boy?"
"No SIR!"
"You have a picture of a penguin on your car, you know the Linux operating system is illegal don't you??"
"Yes Sir I only run Microsoft product as per the constitutional amendment of 2015, Sir"
"You wouldn't be an illegal coder would you? I see the case of Jolt cola there, and I think I see an O'Reilly book on your back seat, thats damn near probable cause to search your car!"
"But sir, I'm just a lowly cleaner, see all the cleaning supplies. I found this stuff in an storage unit I was cleaning out".

I showed him my pay stub for the idiots I work for. I knew going through those old storage lockers would net me someting eventually. The cop bought it. Berated me for the penguin sign, said even though it wasn't illegal he'd take it off the car. I promised I would. Cop said owning a O'reilley book was illegal even though I knew it wasn't. I tried to argue but got a quick slap in the face. Ended up giving him the book, don't want him opening the trunk. We parted amicably, my cheek still stinging. Wow what a bitch slap that was. He probably dresses in drag on the weekends.

I'll use my new face recgonition software and cross my video with the video feed we have at dumbkin dognuts. Have to keep an eye on this one, he must of spotted that penguin sticker from 200 meters or more.

Over the top can't happen? Well at one time I would have thought that you could always record what a public official does in public. MA is interesting. I guess those laws allowed a senator from the state to get away with murder (or at least negligenct homicide), but prevent a common citizen from protecting himself from a authority figure abusing his/her power.

"Science is about ego as much as it is about discovery and truth"

Dude! The LiViD link links to the wrong place! You should check your linksto make sure they go to the right place.

Perhaps someonecould write an open source Perl script that checks links and put it in Slashcode so that CmdrTaco never links to the wrong place again.

Or perhaps Microsoft just put some smart tag code in Slash.

Yes I know is is somewhat offtopic, but CmdrTaco did link to the wrong place with the LiViD link. www.livid.org goes to someguy's homepage while www.linuxvideo.orrg goes to LiViD. So this is ontopic. And it makes fun of Smart Tags.

--Volrath50

...is at http://linuxvideo.org/, not livid.org as linked.

Your livid link is wrong linuxvideo.org
that is all.

This is a pretty novel approach to DVD-decryption. I'm not sure as to the legality of this, but I do know that the server where this code resides is in France, maybe they have a saner intellectual property policy?

I really think that with this release the folks at videolan.org have surpassed the OMS project, which also had an aim of bringing DVD video to the desktop.

Heck, it could even be made into an actual product, if anyone's left to develop it. I'd buy the bloody thing...

Linux can't even display the stuff to begin with.

Sure it can...
OpenDVD
LiViD

It wasn't the drivers. It was suport for the file system that is used on DVDs. Linux did not have support for the filesystem at the time so it was developed on Windows to see if it would indeed work.

Quite simply, what DeCSS does is read and de-encrypt the raw MPEG-2 data off of a DVD. From there, it is pretty straightforward to decode the MPEG-2 and re-encode at a lower bitrate using DivX -- and then it's the whole napster nightmare for the MPAA.

No, the sound and video is not in MPEG-2 format. It is in a raw uncompressed format. Remember that while MPEG is good compression there is a price to pay. The color is not as distinct and the images are not as clear. Not too noticable but there is a trade off to be made. Plus even with DivX, the resulting file is still around 650MB. That is not very small. Even with broad band that takes a while to download. Most people don't want to bother saturating their connection for that long. There are some but not many.

MPAA != DVDCCA. Yes, the DVDCCA is concerned that their monopoly on DVD players is in jeopardy because of the release of the key. But that is entirely separate from DeCSS, a **Windows program** to decode DVDs.

Well then what about css-auth, the Linux version of DeCSS which some of the code is used by the LiViD for playing of DVDs? I think the intent was to allow projects like LiViD to show up. Decrepting the VOBs(the files that on the DVD that contain the raw video and audio) was needed to be done before a player could be made. I followed the events of the different groups trying to break the encryption for a long time. DeCSS came on the scene and it was instantly seen as a way to play DVDs.
Molog

So Linus, what are we doing tonight?

If you want more information on Linux and DVD see http://www.linuxvideo.org/

For a nice player go to http://xine.sourceforge.net/

Mp1e is the only program that does high quality high resolution real time compression, but it does not produce MPEG2 right now, only MPEG1. That is not a problem for the quality, though: for this application there is not much difference between those two. There is currently no release version of mp1e, you have to get it from the CVS of Zapping and it works only with V4L2. There is also the old version 1.7.1 of mp1e, which has a much lower quality but may be easier to install.

Sampeg can do real time MPEG1 and MPEG2, takes advantage of multiprocessing and is optimized for both Intel and Sun SIMD operations. It is very well written in C++, but also rather slow and there has been no update in a long time. The author is now working on an MPEG-4 encoder that should be available in the near future.

ffmpeg is reasonably fast, is usable and under current development and supports most formats, most notably MPEG1, MPEG4 (OpenDivx compatible), DivX ;-), and Realvideo. Some more may be added soon.

VCR may also be an alternative, but I have not tried that yet.

--
Arnd Bergmann <arnd at itreff dot de>, no /. login

It seems we have gone from none to too many movie solutions for the free unices. I am amazed at the sheer amount of duplication, but I guess that is the way we do things in the free software world.

GPL Movie systems listed from most mature to least, imo:

• Xine:
  • http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html
  • http://xine.sourceforge.net/
• OMS/LiViD:
  • http://www.linuxvideo.org/
• XMovie:
  • http://heroinewarrior.com/xmovie.php3
• XTheater:
  • http://xtheater.sourceforge.net/

The rumor is that OMS still doesn't have any method for properly synchronizing video and audio. Why would someone put a 1.0 stamp on something that doesn't handle this basic problem?
--

There is also an official announcement for OMS.

There is also an official announcement for OMS.

One of the lead LiViD developers has posted a descriptive list of features in OMS/OMI. It also lists the near-term developement goals.

OK, I have only one question. What movie does this screenshot come from on the site?

DRI works, and I get good 3D acceleration, so there's some hardware support done good for you. gatos has some support for Radeon, not sure how much, but I saw a bunch of commits going on in livid-cvs.

If you want DRI, check out the CVS tree from dri.sourceforge.net, main branch. But last I checked it minces all forms of 3D acceleration quite badly, but it worked like a charm on January 15th. So check out the main branch on January 15th. For a quick HOWTO, look at README.DRIcomp.gz in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86 on a Debian system, or search around on x.org; it's there somewhere. It's best to be running X 4.0.[12] already to be able to link in the rest of the infrastructure easily. I've found that if you set ProjectRoot to /usr/<somewhere besides X11R6> and run /usr/there/bin/X -configure, modify /root/XF86Config.new as appropriate, and put it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (or whereever it normally goes on your distro), you can use your normal (X 4.0.2) server and it'll just load the Radeon modules. Works fine for me, YMMV. Also make sure your Mesa (libGL) libs are the ones DRI built. Then startx (kdm doesn't like me now), run glxinfo, and have fun if it says "Direct Rendering: Yes". Email me privately (obvious modifications to email of course) if you have a Radeon and want Quake &c and can't figure it out from the above and other docs.

Now this of course doesn't relate to video capture, but shows that high-level Radeon support has already been done in one area, and from what I know about video cards (not much, mind you...), capturing features should be a lot simpler than good 3D acceleration. So grab gatos from LiViD and have fun.

Personally, from my experience I'd reccomend an ATI All-In-Wonder product (I have an AIW PRo, the Radeon is a dream right now). When I first started using it over a year and a half ago, the drivers were buggy, but now I've found that Gatos has done a great job putting together solid and easy to use tuner support. Check ATI for the link, or The Linux Video Project for the newest drivers. ATI actually points to xfree pages.

-Jason

Ok, here's the specs:

333 K6-2 evergreen upgrade processer,
8MB ATI All-in-Wonder Pro,
Creative DXR3 DVD Decoder,
USR 33.6 modem w/ voice,
Creative 64 Gold value,
2 hard drives,
1 CDRW,
1 DVD,


I have been using the comp. for 5+ months and must say it works great. Only problem is due to the fact that most of my episode files(I did see the show when it was brodcasted, and did tape on VHS when it did) are a mixture of Divx, MPG, Quicktime, and ASF. To play two out of the three I need to have Windows installed.

I love my DVD drive and Decoder and recomend it to everyone I know. The only problem is due to fact that only one person is currently developing for the EM8300 chip on the card in Linux/FreeBSD, the drivers are only in 0.82 release. If you want to run DVD decoding in Linux, Buy a god damn . Creative has opened up the source on the drivers somewhat and do support an Open Source project for those drivers. One question that I am sure that has poped up on few geeks minds that own a DXR3 is "Why isn't Creative suporting DXR3 when it's supporting DXR2?" The reason is due to the fact that Creative didn't make the chips for DXR3, Sigma did. They say that they support Linux selectively, but having spoken with the developers themselves, I know that they didn't have any plans as of 10-00. Also, I do know that the DXR2 did have many problems, and I had one upuntil it died on me.

The Video card works great at 800X600 due to the work of the Gatos Project. If you do have a DXR2 and ATI, you can use the Pro to use the DXR2 to display on Monitor. I don't know if the video does work.

Soundcard and others: if it's linux compatable, buy it and use it. If a soundcard is linux compatable and has 5.1 sound, why haven't you bought it yet?!!!

Pros for my system:
1) I don't need cable, just need to go to mom and dad's place to record episodes.
2) Set your own TV network up and delete the comercials except for at the superbowl. Then you watch the commercials and skip the game. Especially this year. (where's my buck Lucas?)
3) Playlist is a very good feature.
4) who need a 19" monitor when I have a 32" TV?
5) It gives me something to tweak everyday.
6) If you have a "copy" of a movie on your comp, why do you have to go to the theater to find out that it sucked?
7) It's what made me adiment about re-learning C++ and memory calls
8) Preview homepages to see how much it would suck if I had a WebTV

Cons:
1) Windows based. I want someone to come out with an ASF 2 MPG converter that actually works, and does not do it real time. (I would do it, and have tried to learn, but I'm about 3years to late to do machine code anymore) 2) Only 800X600 may sound great on a tv, but I'm going to have to upgrade when I get an HDTV.(Oh please, please, please santa. Bring me one small one, like say 27") 3) I can't think of another one other than the mess of cables.(hahahahhahahaahahahaha!!!!!!!!!)

if anyone really wants to talk to me, (bubbles@nospam.rea-alp.com) mail me, and we'll talk. If anyone has a similer situation or a problem, ask, and if I don't know it, then I'll ask around. And if I have a problem, we can talk and I can figure out wtf Microsoft is thinking to not open up asf.

Also, Taco, Divx is just as good as ASF, and there v2.0 site is even cooler.

Sincerly,
Mark W. Wallace

PS: I also have owned all of these thing for 2+years, so don't tell me that it's not fast enough!!!!!!!

DVD Player TV Tuner MP3 Ripper/Player CD Player

video capture and playback infrared receiver for standard remote control

Things like Napster, Divx, DeCSS work as long as the purveyors and users are the minority leaches, while the rest of society supports the infrastructure.

Two things I find rather funny.

1) You buy the MPAA line that the CSS-decryption code in DeCSS is only used by leeches. On the contrary; the code is used by OMS, and a plugin for Xine that allows people to view encrypted DVDs. I guess I'm a leech...

2) You use the spelling of the old, defunct Divx that was a serious first attempt at enforcing pay-per-use with physical devices. Most people didn't stand for it. It was a first strike at the concept of unlimited usage, and it came too early. Be assured, things like HDCP and SDMI-like systems will be introduced much more quietly in the future to ensure everything is pay-per-use, not to mention laws that ban "time-shifting" and "fair use".

What concerns me even more than this is as I understand it, the DTV that the FCC has mandated that we migrate to will be, by law, encoded in pay-to-license formats. (Dolby Digital and MPEG.) Currently, NTSC television is (to my knowledge) license free. This means all sorts of nasty private corporate interests between people who want to make stuff and the Evil Companies. ("No, it won't run Ogg or on Linux.")

Is there a patch to make it play discs crippled by CSS? I've been using Oms from the LiVid people so far. I get reasonable results (PIII-600, TNT2). I would like to compare it to Xine, but the only things I seem to be able to play with Xine out of the box are VideoCDs.

Video capture is out of the question, of course, since there's no software for it. There's a program called xatitv that works well, but it hasn't been updated in about 5 months, is quite beta and doesn't enable bilinear filtering on the TV image, giving you the 'line effect' when the image moves sideways. (Remember that PAL/NTSC are interlaced)

I guess you're not aware that the developers of xatitv have been spending quite a while merging their code into the r128 Xv extension, allowing user to use xawtv to view video. There is also an effort underway in getting the video4linux loopback device to use the Xv extension as an input source, thereby making the Rage 128 cards (and, hopefully any card with an Xv extension) v4l capable.

Check out the livid-gatos website for more info.

Ranessin

Hyperlinking in progress! LiViD!

That's easy enough to deal with. You write unencrypted content. Problem solved.
Problem not solved.

Your player won't play unencrypted content. It will look for the content code, which will return the zeros. It will then refuse to play the disc.

Unless you play with the firmware or software, and unlike Region Codes, there's very little inroads which have been made into supplying replacement firmware or software capable of playing consumer written DVD content [obviously these would be underground efforts - like with console games, producing any DVD content involves licensing from those who intented the system - the MPAA].

OSS will likely be one of the first players to support consumer produced, backup, and pirate DVD content if enough [that fits into the first two categories] is produced.

Mike

-- Dave

1. http://xgov.net/dvd/DeCSS.zip and http://xgov.net/dvd/decss.tar.gz
   
   
2. http://www.2600.com/news/1999/11 12-files/DeCSS.zip/ and http://www.2600.com/news/1 999/1112-files/css-auth.tar.gz
   
3. http://douglas.min.net/~drw/css-auth/
   
4. http://www.devzero.org/freecss.html
   
5. http://www.chello.nl/~f .vanwaveren/css-auth/css-auth.tar.gz
   
6. http://www.geociti es.com/ResearchTriangle/Campus/8877/index.html
   
7. http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/
8. http://www.vexed.net/CSS
   
9. http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vr eeken/
   
10. http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip
    
11. http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-aut h.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip
    
12. http://frozenlinux.com/local/decss/in dex.html
    
13. http://www.unitycode.org/
    
14. http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip
    
15. http://decss.tripod.com/index.html
    
16. http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/
    
17. http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/
    
18. http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/
    
19. http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.ht ml
    
20. http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/
    
21. http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html
    
22. http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVi d.tar.gz
    
23. ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVi d.CVS-11.06.tar.gz and ftp://193.219.56. 32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-stuff-only.tar.gz
    
24. http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~a drian/css/index.html
    
25. http://www.dvd-copy.com/
    
26. http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css /css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS .zip
    
27. http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip
    
28. http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/
    
29. http://members.theglobe.com/avoiderm an/dvd.htm
    
30. http://humpin.org/decss/
    
31. http://www.twistedlogic.com/htm l/tl_archive_map.htm
    
32. http:/ /munitions.polkaroo.net/software/algorithms/stream ciphers/decss.tar.gz
    
33. http://muni tions.dyn.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz
    
34. http://uk1. munitions.net/software/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz
    
35. http://muni tions.firenze.linux.it/algorithms/streamciphers/de css.tar.gz
    
36. http://www.irgendeinedomain.de/decs s/index.html
    
37. http://therapy.endorphin.org/DVD/
    
38. http://killer.discordia.ch /Politics/Copyprotection.phtml
    
39. http://linuxvideo.org/
    
40. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconV alley/Port/3224/
    
41. ftp://ftp.one.net/pub/user s/dmahurin/files/software/dvd/
    
42. ftp://ftp.charm.net/pub/usr/home/dutch/ or http://www.charm.net/~dutch/
    
43. http://dsl129.drizzle.com:2001/downlo ads/DVD/
    
44. http://perso.libertysurf. fr/ortal98/dvd_rip/decss_12b.zip
45. http://users.drak.net/bem ann/software/css/css-auth.tar.gz and http://users.drak.net/bemann/so ftware/css/DeCSS.zip
    
46. http://www.angelfire.com/movies/decss
    
47. http://www.angelfire.com/myband/decss/
48. http://josefine.ben.tuwien.ac.at/~davi d/dvd/
    
49. http://www.c0ke.com/DVD/
    
50. http://rockme.virtualave.net/
    
51. http://amor.rz.hu-berlin.de/~h0444t2v/
52. http://www.quintessenz.at/q/index.html
53. http://www.dvdlinks.co.uk/css/
    
54. http://www.fortunecit y.com/tinpan/tylerbridge/679/dvdcss.html
    
55. http://www.crosswinds.net/~valo/DeCSS/
56. http://members.home.com/christopherlee/ dvd/
    
57. http://members.xoom.com/freedecss/
    
58. http://63.225.181.97/decss/
    
59. ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/
    
60. http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip and http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css -auth.tar.gz
    
61. http://mun itions.cifs.org/software/algorithms/streamciphers/ decss.tar.gz
    
62. http://www.able-towers.com/~flow/
    
63. http://www.cgocable.net/~jdionne/css/
    
64. http://people.mn.mediaone.net/bojay/s lashdot/
    
65. http://www.capital.net/~mazzic
    
66. http://24.108.23.121/DeCSS/
    
67. http://ananke.hack.pl/
    
68. http://www.geocities.com/donotsueme/
    
69. http://members.tripod.com/donotsueme/
    
70. http://donotsueme.homepage.com
    
71. http://www.homestead.com/donotsueme/ index.html
    
72. http://donotsueme.freeservers.com/
    
73. http://www.angelfire.com/punk/donotsueme/
    
74. http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~marsie/
    
75. http://209.178.22.9/protest/
    
76. http://www.bard.org.il/~marc/dvd
    
77. http://www.geocities.com/RainFor est/4360/decss.zip
    
78. http://www.altern.com/tfagart/decss.zip
    
79. http://www.itouch.net/~jm/dvd.html
    
80. http://ils.unc.edu/inls183/resources .shtml#DVD
    
81. http://avdira.cc.duth.gr/~kkonstan/css/
    
82. http://www.multimania.com/sxpert/decss/
    
83. http://www.posexperts.com.pl/peopl e/wrobell/css/
    
84. http://www.koek.net/dvd/
    
85. http://www.cyberchrist.org/freecss.html
    
86. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~cybe rchrist/freecss.html
    
87. http://www.planet.net.au/~coram/
    
88. http://www.geek.co.il/css/
    
89. http://www.datacomm.ch/adrien/decss/ index.html
    
90. http://home.rmci.net/bert/fuckthelawyers/
    
91. http://unimatrix.dyndns.org/fucklawyers/
    
92. http://www.isn.net/~dsimeone/DeCSS.zip
93. http://logical-solutions.com.au/DeCSS.zip
    
94. http://www.sarahandcasey.com/decss/
    
95. http://www.fsp.com/
    
96. http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~echerry/dvd
    
97. http://www.mafkees.com/dvd
    
98. http://dB.org/dvd/
    
99. http://dcwi.com/~wench/decss
    
100. http://dvdcss.newmail.ru
     
101. http://www.subcor.com
     
102. http://www.frankw.net/decss
     
103. http://danger-island.com/~dav/any.lawyer.who/quote s.this.url/gives.permission/for .his.residence.to.be.searched/any.bootleg.audio/vi deo/tape.found/nullifies.legal.and.moral .standing/
     
104. http://www.fortunecity.com/vi ctorian/parkwood/95/DVD/
     
105. http://www.asleep.net/dvd
     
106. http://members.xoom.com/NiKeX
     
107. http://www.geocit ies.com/ResearchTriangle/Station/2819/index.html
     
108. http://www.execpc.com/~unicorn/dvdmirr or.htm
     
109. http://members.xoom.com/chapter3/Mamma No.htm
     
110. http://wiw.org/~drz/css/
     
111. http://merlinjim.freeservers.com/dvd/
     
112. http://www.visi.com/~adept/liberty
     
113. http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/deccs
     
114. http://www.ct2600.org/2600-DVD.html
     
115. http://magic.hurrah.com/~fireball/dvd/
116. http://www.jonhanson.com/dvd
     
117. ftp://ftp.foon.net/pub/decss
     
118. http://osiris.978.org/~brianr/css/
     
119. http://earnestdesigns.com/dvd
     
120. http://www.satl.com/~satlpop6/
     
121. http://xempt.darpa.org:81/decss/
     
122. ftp://cm-d0415.resnet.ucsc.edu/p ub/css-auth.tar.gz
     
123. http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user /mycroft/css-auth/
     
124. http://www.eyrie.demon.co.uk/derek/dvd/c ss
     
125. http://ananke.hack.pl
     
126. http://budice.ancients.net/www.free -dvd.org.lu/
     
127. http://defiance.darktech.org/decss/
     
128. http://kesagatame.tripod.com
     
129. http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon/decss
130. http://www.gnosis.cx/download/DeCSS.zip
     
131. http://bone.powersurfr.com/DeCSS/
     
132. http://wakeupthe.net/dvd/
     
133. http://everest.yooniks.org/dvd
     
134. http://cubicmetercrystal.com/decss/
     
135. http://analyzethis.acmecity.com/triboro /90/
     
136. http://homepages.together.net/~ib nzahid/DeCSS.zip
     
137. http://www.save2600.8m.com
     
138. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dantepsn/
     
139. http://members.xoom.com/mxpxguy/dvd/
     
140. http://decss.fall0ut.com
     
141. http://vedaa.tripod.com/decss.html
     
142. http://members.xoom.com/iox
     
143. http://www.hackunlimited.com/dvd/
     
144. http://hem.fyristorg.com/police/css.htm
     
145. http://elknews.netpedia.net/dvd/
     
146. http://www.idrive.com/decss/web
     
147. http://quintessenz.at/q
     
148. http://www.clug.com/~vodak/dvd/
     
149. http://www.nacs.net/~vodak/dvd/
     
150. http://ny2600.iwarp.com
     
151. http://www.wpi.edu/~nassar/dvd/
     
152. http://www.glue.umd.edu/~castongj
     
153. http://www.geocities.com/cold_dvd/
     
154. http://www.projectgamma.com/deccs/
     
155. http://members.xoom.com/mogreen/decss/
156. http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip
     
157. http://www.angelfire.com/de2/decss/dec ss.htm
     
158. http://www.krackdown.com/decss
     
159. http://www.ithink.org/dvd/
     
160. http://www.fortunecit y.com/skyscraper/motorola/1415/decss.htm
     
161. http://chaz.fsgs.com/misc/DvD/
     
162. http://www.linuxstart.com/~kv ance/projects/decss.html
     
163. http://www.darkkingz.com/DeCSS.zip
     
164. http://come.to/intelex
     
165. http://ebmedia.net/dvd/
     
166. http://www.geocities.com/decss_forever/
     
167. http://revolution.3-cities.com/~spack/dv d/
     
168. http://www.geocities.com/Sili conValley/Software/8762/
     
169. http://members.xoom.com/s_o_sam/help.html
     
170. http://smokering.org
     
171. http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz
     
172. http://dlsf.org
     
173. http://home.rmci.net/bert/dvd
     
174. http://thrash.webjump.com/decss.zip
     
175. http://linux.uci.agh.edu.pl/~outlaw/ decss.html
     
176. http://debian.mps.krakow.pl/mirror/css/
     
177. http://www.fission.org/~mangino
     
178. http://212.187.12.197/decss/
     
179. http://www.clarkson.edu/~andrixjr /decss/DeCSS.zip
     
180. http://www.geocities.com/Capitol Hill/1583/dvd.html
     
181. http://members.xoom.com/freedecss/
     
182. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/dvd.htm
     
183. http://www.members.home.net/normanlorrai n/
     
184. http://home.swipnet.se/~w-18931/decss/
185. http://home.soneraplaza.nl/qn/prive/v alhalla/
     
186. http://www.robotslave.net
     
187. http://www.angelfire.com/punk/freedom/
188. http://www.corova.com/dvd/
     
189. http://2600.dk/mirrors/css/
     
190. http://dvdcrack.homepage.com
     
191. http://www.copkiller.org
     
192. http://www.worldcity.nl/~frank/dvd
     
193. http://members.xoom.com/iamkeenan/master/
     
194. http://www.adulation.net/css/
     
195. http://homepage.interacces s.com/~mycroft/decss/DeCSS.zip
     
196. http://underground.pl/dvd/
     
197. http://members.xoom.com/nyc2600
     
198. http://zerosoft.hypermart.net/warez/ DVDcrK.txt
     
199. http://www.deforest.org/CSS
     
200. http://nickd.org/decss
     
201. http://www.xenoclast.demon.co.uk/main.ht ml
     
202. http://www.ctol.net/~ross/css-auth.tar.gz
     
203. http://www.xenoclast.demon.co.uk/main.ht ml
     
204. http://www.ctol.net/~ross/css-auth.tar.gz
     
205. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconV alley/File/3635/
     
206. http://members.xoom.com/a1010_2000/
     
207. http://decss.globalservice.hu/
     

As for the commercial products, I would assume that they obtained a license in the usual manner. Last I heard, however, they were all vapourware... not to mention closed source.
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• DVD and Linux Support
• LinuxVideo.org
• OpenDVD.org
• Sigmadesigns Product - they have couple DVD products that you may find interesting. NetStream 2000 has Linux drivers (BETA) available on their FTP site.
• Linux DVD from Liberty Surf.

Hope this help.

Well then, what is it used for?

Well I use it to decode the DVD vob to my hard drive, then run a converter to mpeg format, and then I watch the movie. I am well within my rights as I own the DVD that I'm decoding and watching.

If the DeCSS people had never published it, these people probably wouldn't have found the decryption algorithm, correct? So they're all essentially DeCSS offshoots.

For your info, speed ripper was out long before DeCSS was. In fact the code for DeCSS was not originally available but then the css-auth code came out. I do not think that they are all DeCSS offshoots and I would love to see you prove it. If DeCSS and css-auth have no practical purpose, what about its role in LiViD?
Molog

So Linus, what are we doing tonight?

Errr, there is auctally.
LiViD is one such open source DVD player.
css-auth (which authenticates with the drive) was auctally written by someone on the LiViD team and was used in DeCSS (which is GPLed thus).

It does work, a few months ago I saw the Matrix played off DVD under Linux. So yes, it does work, and there is player (Which, I am in no doubt that if the MPAA wins will be delcared illegal, at least in the US.) Fortunatly, it is GPLed. They can't stop Open Source software, because it will simply be "smuggled" over borders, and the developers will still develop it.
All it will mean is that you will have to get it from foriegn soil.

A partial software implementation is available at LiVid

I can't believe that they had to sign a contract agreeing not to make a FIREWARE DVD player! Apple should sue the hell out of them.

No, what Apple should do is invest some money or a few full-time employees into the LiViD project, and then bundle that player with their next OS release, instead of bundling their licensed player.

As a result, people could ultimately get the firewire outputs, which the MPAA tried to eliminate, on their DVD players despite the manufacturers contractual agreement!

The subversion of the agreement is a pretty minor point nowdays, though, since you can now make a DVD player without signing any contractual agreement. :-)

Information on the open-source Linux DVD player is available at LiVid

1. DVDs are scrambled using a low grade (40-bit) encryption algorithm known as CSS. Although the relevant algorithms have been reverse engineered, and cracking the relevant keys has been shown to be trivial, the legal status of these reverse engineered algorithms is very much in doubt, as two lawsuits, one by the Motion Picture Association of America, the other by the DVD Copy Control Association, may have the effect of removing this source code from open distribution.

2. Portions of the AC3 sound decoder algorithm may be owned by Dolby, although an unlicenced decoder has been developed.

3. Portions of the MPEG2 video decoder algorithm are entangled in various patents. An unlicenced decoder has been developed.

4. The menu system and subpicture/subtitle decoders still need some work.

5. The current focus within Livid seems to be syncing up audio and video streams.

Most of the people working on LiVid are working on technical problems, not legal ones, however, and development continues apace.

Q: Oh yes! DVD under Linux! Hooray!
A: We thought you would be happy.

Q: Since this is a Linux project it's going to be open sourced and gpl'd, right?
A: No.

Q: WHAT?! Why (optional profanity) not?
A: Unfortunately the DVD Forum, Dolby and MPEGLA have proprietary rights to AC3 and decoding schemas (as well as much needed hardware specs). In order to legally develop this program we are going to have to pay a huge licensing fee to each and (on top of that) royalties on every program distriputed. Hence, we have to charge for it, but not too much hopefully.

Q: You're sure it won't be free?
A: Positive.

Q: Not even for me? I am "eleet dude", come on!
A: Nope, not even for you.

Q: Well how about a beta then. Can I be a beta tester?
A: No, all of our testing is going to be done internally with the developers and other hand picked individuals.

Q: When will it be released?
A: Eventually.

Q: Eventually? Eventually!?!? How soon is that!
A: How soon do you think it is?

Q: Can I please have a beta?
A: No.

Q: So how much did you say it was going to cost?
A: I didn't say. How much are you willing to give us?

Dunno about you but this doesn't give me much of a warm fuzzy feeling inside. The folks over at LiViD may have some work to do still, but at least I can see their progress, and help contribute to the source tree where I can. Not that I don't welcome projects like LSDVD - but I'll believe it when I see it.
FWIW the LiViD CVS tarball features AC3 decoding, decryption and authorisation of discs, mpeg playback and a whole lot of other bonus features - including hacked up hardware acceleration for DXr2 and Matrox owners.

Support them /.'ers - they need your help.

Of course, the whole idea of International Standards that can't be used by anyone is patently (heh) ridiculous. How to deal with this, I have no idea, short of creating a new codec that rivals MPEG-4, which is no easy task. Perhaps we can find a way to make our voice heard to the various lawyers deciding licensing, but I'd rate that as a rather low chance of success.

If truly open standards are to persist much into the next century, it is critical that patented methodologies be explicitly excluded from consideration at the get-go. Furthermore, methodologies which become patented down the road (for which there is no prior art - e.g. there is a patent application pending which no one is aware of) would be immediately disqualified or marked as "tainted" and replaced with an unencumbered equivelent.

To achieve this we need to dump the ISO as a standards body. This wouldn't be as difficult or traumatic as one might think - they are not know for creating great technical standards (remember the virtually unimplimentable, horribly ineffecient, and none too soon defunct OSI "seven layers"?).

I would submit that we should use and expand the auspices of the Internet Engineering Task Force, with a specific addendum to the charter prohibiting proprietary and patent-encumbered technologies from being considered, much less defined into, any open standard whatsoever.

More to the immediate point, we do need to develope our own standards and codecs (see OggVorbis and the nascient Open Video Disc mailing list for examples.

We need to take back our standards on both the implementation (defacto) front and the institutional (IETF vs. ISO) front.

From the divx.st site: "DVD-Quality". Let's get one thing straight: DivX does not give you DVD-quality, and IMHO it doesn't even come close to DVDs. If you're a movie enthusiast, you'll know what I'm talking about.

And yes, MPEG4 is a standard. Microsoft has implemented that standard. Their implementation is not called DivX. DivX (which has nothing to do with Circuit City) is Microsoft's MPEG4 codec which has been modified to allow the use of MP3 and WMA audio. (No, it's not blessed by MS :)

As you probably understand, I don't like DivX that much. It gives you great quality at a small filesize, but it's nowhere near DVD-quality.

I don't understand why anyone would spend time working on that port anyway. Go contribute to something like OVD ("Open" counterpart to DVD) instead. Checkout linuxvideo.org for more info.

Note: This post may attract flaming but, some things should be set straight.

In keeping with the spirit of open source ethics, Monastiero says that InterVideo is looking at ways to open up as much of the product as possible to the OS community.

While we may not see the decryption, navigation, etc. opened, this is a very promosing statement from InterVideo. I know that MPEG-2 decoding is having some trouble right now (I'm subscribed to the livid-dev group), so obviously CSS and navigation aren't the only problems prohibiting a public, free, open source player from the linux developer community.

While, I don't agree with the MPAA at all on the way that DVD encryption is being handled (I'm also boycotting the MPAA, I've had to resist buying several DVDs just to know I'm doing the RightThing(tm)), I do think that a player with some open specs may speed the development of other open-source projects (i.e livid).

"But the CSS, Dolby, and navigation code will definitely not be open source. We're doing this to add a legal player to the market that the DVD industry can also be happy with."

By reading this, I get the impression that they are just pasifying the MPAA for now until some laws change. Being a fairly well known company, they would be committing suicide to go all out and create a free, open source DVD decoder/player. Maybe InterVideo isn't so evil after all, maybe their waiting for the right time? Sure hope so.



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5). LiViD is getting there - THEY REALLY NEED MMX OPTIMISERS - if you are a super genius mmx coder I'm sure they'd really want your help.

mpeg2dec MMX code was checked into CVS last night. Go to www.linuxvideo.org to try it out. SSE/3dnow version isn't checked in but is mostly done. If someone knows how to schedule or otherwise optimize MMX instructions please take a look at the code.