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Re:In search of a hero
Why not? The media has been a key to this whole illegal war. When the Bush regime trotted out its pack of lies about WMD to convince the American people to forget about the economy and to support the war (rah! rah! go team!), the corporate media did not question the lies and just jumped on the bandwagon. After all, who cares about truth when there's ratings to be had! (And now, given the FCC's recent ruling about monopoly ownership of media markets, the corporate mass media has been repaid for their slave-like service.)
When Private Jessica Lynch was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got captured, the US media ignored the stories of brave Iraqi doctors and nurses donating their own blood to keep her alive, and instead printed (now proven false) stories about her fighting while shot and fighting to the death until she ran out of image.
You'll never see stories like this in the US media.
Since this kind of blatant propaganda was a key to the support of the war, why not some propaganda directly aimed at computer geeks?! Hey, we deserve our own lies too!! -
Re:In search of a hero
Why not? The media has been a key to this whole illegal war. When the Bush regime trotted out its pack of lies about WMD to convince the American people to forget about the economy and to support the war (rah! rah! go team!), the corporate media did not question the lies and just jumped on the bandwagon. After all, who cares about truth when there's ratings to be had! (And now, given the FCC's recent ruling about monopoly ownership of media markets, the corporate mass media has been repaid for their slave-like service.)
When Private Jessica Lynch was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got captured, the US media ignored the stories of brave Iraqi doctors and nurses donating their own blood to keep her alive, and instead printed (now proven false) stories about her fighting while shot and fighting to the death until she ran out of image.
You'll never see stories like this in the US media.
Since this kind of blatant propaganda was a key to the support of the war, why not some propaganda directly aimed at computer geeks?! Hey, we deserve our own lies too!! -
Less than an hour to make those calls...
The FCC is set to vote on their secret-none-more-secret changes to the media ownership regulations on Monday. If you like the direction commercial radio has taken in the last few years, don't worry about it. If not, moveon.org has some good resources for who to call.
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File Public comments and letters at MoveOn.org
You can send in a public statement and a letter to your reps. Go here.
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moveon.org has link to FCC comments/senators
You can send a letter to both the FCC comments page and to your senators here.
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turning the tide
welcome to the grassroots fight of your life, if you're a media democracy activist. we've been working on this for a year, trying to build a coalition of peace and justice groups against the issue. during the war in iraq, many national peace activists would turn on the nightly news and say, 'what the hell? where are the bodies? why are retired generals and embedded reporters giving me my news?'
so they embraced the issue. it's a lot harder to ignore the group of people on the steps of the fcc whining 'FREE AND INDEPENDENT MEDIA' if those people are anti-war citizens from all across the country with money, clout, and celebrity spokesmen (michael moore).
the smallish team media democracy activists has ballooned into a huge group of peace and justice activists, hackers, consumer rights activists, kids, parents, people of all stripes. now groups like moveon.org are planning national call-in days. now code pink is pink-slipping fcc chairman michael powell alongside his much-more-famous father, colin powell.
so we have the people. what do we do? what's our power?
1) call your senator. like, now. right now. the senate, after the second commerce committee hearing on this issue, is rattling some sabers and could definitely use some encouragement that this issue isn't just one for the lobbyists.
2) comment to the fcc. you can do so here and the comments you make will also go to the senate commerce committee, and to the president.
3) tell someone who isn't tech savvy about this. you're reading slashdot. you have a choice about where you get your media. most people don't. newspaper, radio, and television matter more than we can say in most parts of this country. just ask the good people of minot.
and visit us at prometheus. we're here all the time. and we will be until june 2nd and after.
hannah sassaman
prometheusradioproject
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turning the tide
welcome to the grassroots fight of your life, if you're a media democracy activist. we've been working on this for a year, trying to build a coalition of peace and justice groups against the issue. during the war in iraq, many national peace activists would turn on the nightly news and say, 'what the hell? where are the bodies? why are retired generals and embedded reporters giving me my news?'
so they embraced the issue. it's a lot harder to ignore the group of people on the steps of the fcc whining 'FREE AND INDEPENDENT MEDIA' if those people are anti-war citizens from all across the country with money, clout, and celebrity spokesmen (michael moore).
the smallish team media democracy activists has ballooned into a huge group of peace and justice activists, hackers, consumer rights activists, kids, parents, people of all stripes. now groups like moveon.org are planning national call-in days. now code pink is pink-slipping fcc chairman michael powell alongside his much-more-famous father, colin powell.
so we have the people. what do we do? what's our power?
1) call your senator. like, now. right now. the senate, after the second commerce committee hearing on this issue, is rattling some sabers and could definitely use some encouragement that this issue isn't just one for the lobbyists.
2) comment to the fcc. you can do so here and the comments you make will also go to the senate commerce committee, and to the president.
3) tell someone who isn't tech savvy about this. you're reading slashdot. you have a choice about where you get your media. most people don't. newspaper, radio, and television matter more than we can say in most parts of this country. just ask the good people of minot.
and visit us at prometheus. we're here all the time. and we will be until june 2nd and after.
hannah sassaman
prometheusradioproject
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Do Something
MoveOn has a page where you can send a letter to your members of Congress and add your name to a petition to stop the June 2nd decision.
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Tape the show and go outside!
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From Denmark (+ MoveOn.org)Not being an US citizen (I'm Danish), I'm still ashamed to see my country mess into this dangerous war. Danger lies not in the war itself, but in the rage that Arabs and Muslims will feel afterwards, for many years (remember the Crusades? There's still anger from those, even).
France stood up with courage for peace, and saved face of many Europeanc countries (including Russia), made it clear that this is purely an Anglosaxian project (US, UK, Australia).
MoveOn.org has a Citizens Declaration (worldwide) for us all to sign and send to Whitehouse.c^Hgov:
With friends like this, who needs enemies?
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Scary world we live in..
I'm listening to the anti-aircraft fire etc. right now, pretty scary.
He just said "On my orders.." *shivers*
I can't begin to imagine where this might take us..
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The Beastie Boys released a song (mp3 link) relating to some of this insanity, it's a decent track. Relevant links: Link1
Win Without War
True Majority - Democracy in Action
Helpful Stuff
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In related news... A Virtual March on WashingtonThe Win Without War Coalition organized today the first ever Virtual March on Washington. Opposed the potential war on Iraq, the protesters have organized over 85,000 emails, faxes, and phone calls, translating to more than one phone call per minute to each Senate office.
The New York Times, the BBC, The Washington Post, and others While not using any new technology, the protest was organized completely via the Internet, and could be indicative of the way digital culture is blending with traditional culture every passing day."
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In other news...
...the Bush administration has announced that in "weeks, not months" it will release Gulf War II, which will provide continuous global war that will support several million 'players' at once. "We expect it to be available for the forseeable future" says Defense Secretary 'Master of the Universe' Rumsfeld. Vice President Cheney says "it's like 'America's Army Operations', but much, MUCH bigger
..... yes, reaaallly big ...."
What if we tried something that might actually work? -
Antiwar message in DC
Those of us who aren't very fond of Bush's push to war with Iraq will be happy to know that moveon.org will be putting out an ad in the Washington DC area. The ad is inspired by Lyndon Johnson's "Daisy" ad from 1964, and makes the (similar) point that catastrophic things can happen when war is prosecuted irresponsibly. The hope is that it will inspire Congress and the Bush administration to think twice before blustering into this planned wholly unnecessary bloodshed. The press release is here.
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Antiwar message in DC
Those of us who aren't very fond of Bush's push to war with Iraq will be happy to know that moveon.org will be putting out an ad in the Washington DC area. The ad is inspired by Lyndon Johnson's "Daisy" ad from 1964, and makes the (similar) point that catastrophic things can happen when war is prosecuted irresponsibly. The hope is that it will inspire Congress and the Bush administration to think twice before blustering into this planned wholly unnecessary bloodshed. The press release is here.
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Re:/. IS 1 MILLION
I disagree. Although we cannot, or do not, donate money on the same scale and microsoft, BillG is not, yet, in a position to buy our votes. All of the donations in the world can't guarantee that they will be elected if enough of us are actually paying attention.
If a million of us went over the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the American Civil Liberties Union, Moveon.org or started our own /. petitions then they would notice, and fear, because that's enough people to tip the balance in an election.
Money or not, they still need votes to get elected and if they think their jobs are at stake, they'll kowtow so fast its not even funny. What we have to do is show them that we are paying attention, and that we do care. We also have to show that we won't be bought off with false talk of compromise.
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Taken the Eff Challenge yet?
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Just out of curiousity...
No one's mentioned this yet, but in Amerika, it is Election Day.
Has everyone worried about AshKroft et al voted?
I know, I know, I'm preaching to the choir. Everyone on Slashdot that expresses their concern about an issue goes out and tells 100 people about it, and gets them all active in progressive change. Example: do you know who Maher Arar is?
I don't mean to get too bitter here, guys, but regime change starts at home. It's like the old Steven Stills song. If you can't have a system you love, umm, change the system you've got until it more closely resembles the system you'd love. =) -
Free "Regime Change Begins at Home.. VOTE!" poster
From MoveOn.org ("working to bring ordinary people back into politics") -- download your very own "Regime Change Begins at Home... VOTE!" poster.
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Free "Regime Change Begins at Home.. VOTE!" poster
From MoveOn.org ("working to bring ordinary people back into politics") -- download your very own "Regime Change Begins at Home... VOTE!" poster.
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Re:Peace Corp
Which story would you rather tell your grand children: '... and our database design was better than everyone elses' or '... and there I was in my fox hole with bombs exploding all around me
The story that I'd rather tell my grandchildren is that the unprecedented speed of my database helped develop a new low cost, high-tech medicine that saved the lives of millions of AIDS sufferers in Africa and around the world, thus ending so much suffering that the world's population decided to put away their differences. ...'?
Or that I was the 3rd grade school teacher for a child who turned out to be the next Ghandi.
Definitely not that I was a mindless pawn in some decades-old economic feud between a war-hawking, oil-loving White House and a crazy old Arab.
Why do so many people think that war and economic pressure are the only ways to initiate change? Want to make a real, lasting difference? Volunteer to help out a cause at MoveOn.org, whether through their site or through a local group in your area. -
Re:First of all
Neither through threats or transgressions.
There is evidence of a lot of things out there, but I guess it just sounds more 'patriotic' to only follow the weak leads these days. Myself, I prefer a more discriminating attitude towards the facts and fantasies..For example:
Every other day Iraqi's fire upon US airplanes patrolling the no-fly zones
Ok. This is something that seems (at first face) to be kin to the truth.. Iraqi AA batteries have (at least once in the past couple of years) made the paper for taking shots at US jets. They haven't done a great job of hitting the vehicles, but they've made a visible objection of foreign authority over their sovereign airspace. It'd be a stronger argument if it weren't for the fact that (whether or not they have the tech) this AA fire has been most effective only in the 'visible objection' realm. Assuming it happens more regularly than it is reported in US mass media (because otherwise this is a non-point), and it _isn't_ downing patrolling jets (because we'd certainly hear about that in this day and age), the fact that it continues implies a different significance than 'we will threaten you'-- it implies 'we refuse to submit to you' (your authority over our airspace).
That's a pretty important act to a country attempting to maintain itself under blockade. It's important from a domestic as well as a diplomatic perspective for a military regime's image, and in that respect is similar in a lot of ways to running up a national flag.Hitting other points,
There is evidence Iraq funded the Al Quaieda network
Ignoring the 'I haven't seen it' counterclaim which comes to mind, and the questions of 'how' and 'when'.. especially keeping in mind the supposed blockade of Iraq, I instead look to the bigger points which lie parallel to this statement..
The second (or third, depending on how you run the vote) biggest demon that got painted by the USA in this matter has been the Taliban. The Taliban was so villainous (sayeth the media) that beyond any issues of human rights, it openly fostered 'terrorist networks'-- notably Al Qaeda. So villainous that the United States was forced to stage air assaults on a foreign power and entertain shades of kingmaking with a revolution in progress half a world away.
So villainous that the United States was one of two countries (As far as I can recall (2000-2001 winter)) to have officially recognized it's sovereignty. So villainous that going into 2001, the US government paid Afghanistan for the heroin and opium which theydidn't produce (according to the figures submitted by the interested partyin terms of reduction of exportation). So villainous that it's reign was supported, up until last fall, by the notorious USA, who during the cold war (by and large) invented the heroin trade as a weapon against Soviet incursion and worked to train many of those who became this year's sensation.
So what sort of support could Iraq have mustered to make our own disappear? Ignoring entirely issues of the support to 'terror' by other countries, what sort of wetnurse could Iraq have been over the past decade to the 'child' of the US and USSR's cold war.I can't really comment on the 'This Week..' statement, as I'm unable to find any direct statements of threat referenced in the NY Times or in CNN's archives. Perhaps Uttles is referring to the statements from the Iraqi VP urging
"all the Arab masses" to "confront the material and human interests of the aggressors wherever they are found."
in response to the threat of the US moving a quarter million troops or more in war.
-Reuters 9/10/02, cited from New York Times archived articleWrapping up with the statement
There is evidence Saddam is researching intercontinental missiles
I'll go out on shaky ground and suggest that were there hard evidence of an ICBM program available, the National debate would be running a little differently. I don't have citations as to the unanimity (or lack there-of) in opinion held by UN Weapons Inspectors, so pitch that point if you will;(if anyone has a link to dissenting opinion, please post a followup, I know that I've seen one out there but I don't have the link) however, I suggest that the following quotation is probably closer to the current hard evidence on whether or not Iraq has nuclear warheads to use in ICBMs:Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) says the CIA has "absolutely no evidence" that Iraq possesses or will soon possess nuclear weapons.
http://www.moveon.org/nowar/In closing, threats aren't enough, and transgressions aren't enough.. Even to quote Kissinger (hardly a dove)
"The notion of justified pre- emption runs counter to modern international law, which sanctions the use of force in self-defense only against actual -- not potential -- threats."
We need more than a 'bad feeling' to be able to claim any sort of justifiable action.
(same as previous)we will all see when this is all over with.
I suppose we will. Here's hoping for the best -
Re:First of all
Neither through threats or transgressions.
There is evidence of a lot of things out there, but I guess it just sounds more 'patriotic' to only follow the weak leads these days. Myself, I prefer a more discriminating attitude towards the facts and fantasies..For example:
Every other day Iraqi's fire upon US airplanes patrolling the no-fly zones
Ok. This is something that seems (at first face) to be kin to the truth.. Iraqi AA batteries have (at least once in the past couple of years) made the paper for taking shots at US jets. They haven't done a great job of hitting the vehicles, but they've made a visible objection of foreign authority over their sovereign airspace. It'd be a stronger argument if it weren't for the fact that (whether or not they have the tech) this AA fire has been most effective only in the 'visible objection' realm. Assuming it happens more regularly than it is reported in US mass media (because otherwise this is a non-point), and it _isn't_ downing patrolling jets (because we'd certainly hear about that in this day and age), the fact that it continues implies a different significance than 'we will threaten you'-- it implies 'we refuse to submit to you' (your authority over our airspace).
That's a pretty important act to a country attempting to maintain itself under blockade. It's important from a domestic as well as a diplomatic perspective for a military regime's image, and in that respect is similar in a lot of ways to running up a national flag.Hitting other points,
There is evidence Iraq funded the Al Quaieda network
Ignoring the 'I haven't seen it' counterclaim which comes to mind, and the questions of 'how' and 'when'.. especially keeping in mind the supposed blockade of Iraq, I instead look to the bigger points which lie parallel to this statement..
The second (or third, depending on how you run the vote) biggest demon that got painted by the USA in this matter has been the Taliban. The Taliban was so villainous (sayeth the media) that beyond any issues of human rights, it openly fostered 'terrorist networks'-- notably Al Qaeda. So villainous that the United States was forced to stage air assaults on a foreign power and entertain shades of kingmaking with a revolution in progress half a world away.
So villainous that the United States was one of two countries (As far as I can recall (2000-2001 winter)) to have officially recognized it's sovereignty. So villainous that going into 2001, the US government paid Afghanistan for the heroin and opium which theydidn't produce (according to the figures submitted by the interested partyin terms of reduction of exportation). So villainous that it's reign was supported, up until last fall, by the notorious USA, who during the cold war (by and large) invented the heroin trade as a weapon against Soviet incursion and worked to train many of those who became this year's sensation.
So what sort of support could Iraq have mustered to make our own disappear? Ignoring entirely issues of the support to 'terror' by other countries, what sort of wetnurse could Iraq have been over the past decade to the 'child' of the US and USSR's cold war.I can't really comment on the 'This Week..' statement, as I'm unable to find any direct statements of threat referenced in the NY Times or in CNN's archives. Perhaps Uttles is referring to the statements from the Iraqi VP urging
"all the Arab masses" to "confront the material and human interests of the aggressors wherever they are found."
in response to the threat of the US moving a quarter million troops or more in war.
-Reuters 9/10/02, cited from New York Times archived articleWrapping up with the statement
There is evidence Saddam is researching intercontinental missiles
I'll go out on shaky ground and suggest that were there hard evidence of an ICBM program available, the National debate would be running a little differently. I don't have citations as to the unanimity (or lack there-of) in opinion held by UN Weapons Inspectors, so pitch that point if you will;(if anyone has a link to dissenting opinion, please post a followup, I know that I've seen one out there but I don't have the link) however, I suggest that the following quotation is probably closer to the current hard evidence on whether or not Iraq has nuclear warheads to use in ICBMs:Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) says the CIA has "absolutely no evidence" that Iraq possesses or will soon possess nuclear weapons.
http://www.moveon.org/nowar/In closing, threats aren't enough, and transgressions aren't enough.. Even to quote Kissinger (hardly a dove)
"The notion of justified pre- emption runs counter to modern international law, which sanctions the use of force in self-defense only against actual -- not potential -- threats."
We need more than a 'bad feeling' to be able to claim any sort of justifiable action.
(same as previous)we will all see when this is all over with.
I suppose we will. Here's hoping for the best -
Re:Is there a petition for this?
Actually I believe Moveon.org was successful at changing some opinion on the impeachment issue and they've done some organization relating to gun laws.
It just proves that this online stuff needs to be followed up in meatspace tho.
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Re:Others to interview
Other folks to interview: Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, the couple behind the centrist grass-roots online Censure and Move On anti-impeachment campaign. This was back in late 1998, and they thought it through better than anyone else I've seen.
Thanks IMHO to a very well-organized and easy-to-use site, they pulled in half a million petition signatures (100,000 in the first week and 250,000 in the first three weeks). The home page was brief, simple, and unintimidating: you just had to enter name, email, zipcode, and a one-line comment about the situation. You could click for a scrolling display of other signers and their comments, or for background info etc. The sensible privacy policy was right there for you to see.
Unless you unchecked the box, filling out this information not only signed the petition but also generated an email to your Congressperson (keyed on the zipcode).
So you were mad and it was easy to fill out the little form to express that. Then they'd snagged you, and their follow-through was especially good. You were given a little more info and asked to click again to register as a local volunteer or spokesperson, or to automatically email your friends about the site. And they emailed you periodic action alerts when it was time to phone Congress before a crucial vote.
They really translated this into offline support. They got over 5,000 volunteers for the offline campaign. They also got time & money pledges from 30,000 individuals to work against the impeachers in 2000, for a total of $13 million and 750,000 hours pledged. To put it another way, 6% of signers agreed to contribute time or money
...They have subsequently leveraged their email list for other issues where they think the US Congress is out of touch with the citizenry, like gun safety.
(Note: I am not affiliated with them except for having signed their petition.)