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Re:Pulling TiersWell, there's SVG that is supposed to fill in the graphics gap, and the latest browsers are starting to support that. IE has its own proprietary markup called VML.
But what's really exciting is the new element that's already in Safari 1.3+ and will be in Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9.0. Check out this raycaster demo. Another example.
And to nitpick, what you're describing is not AJAX. "simple document markup system with scripting grafted on" is DHTML. Nothing asynchronous there.
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Re:So, nitpicking...
Talking about Google, gmail was initiall released on April 1 2004. Based on the CVS logs of http://mozilla.org/xmlextras/index.html and mozilla/extensions/xmlextras it would seem XMLHttpRequest was introduced into the nightly builds early 2001.
I dont think google was using XMLHttpRequest untill well after it was adopted by things besides IE. -
Help test Firefox
Go download Firefox 1.5 RC1 and help test it. The only way its going to be adopted more is if it works better and has few enough shortcomings to make the move to it worth it.
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No auto-update is a non-starter
I would never recommend FireFox to a casual user until auto-update is available. Casual users will not periodically check for security updates (of which there have been many in FireFox) and so they will be like sitting ducks.
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Re:Back to 1998 again :o(Browser detection has come up as a problem a long time ago. Instead try object detection. The idea is that you test for the existence of the javascript features/methods you need and wrap them in a set of standard functions, then use those functions in the rest of your script.
Although I agree that IE7 will slow down the growth of firefox I doubt it will really diminish the current market share. Slightly better support for web features will cut a little bit out of the "it only works in IE" problem, and most of the new stuff in IE7 is in firefox, or a plugin. In the end a lack of new features combined with any possible previous bad IE experiences will keep the new FF users where they are.
In the future I see technologies like xul as "where things are going".(and yes microsoft has one too) HTML+Javascript is only going to get us so far, and although using the javascript to dynamically update pages can do some (comparatively) awesome things, it does not have the feel of a real solution to it. So if I were a web developer[1] I would start playing with these tools now to be ready in ~3-5 years when they become a preferable alternative.
[1] I am not a web developer. If you are one, and I sound like I don't know what I am talking about, that is probably because I don't.
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Re:There are still too many non standard websites.
She blamed the website though, but I had to show her Internet Explorer so she could order the stuff she needed.
You should show her the IE Tab extension. -
Re:Donations accepted?
They would be more than happy to take your donation.
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Re:Donations accepted?
Of course they need donations:
Donate Today! -
Firefox is on the up!!
Download Mozilla Firefox!
Mozilla's browsers global usage share is still growing according to OneStat.com
Amsterdam - November 2 2005 - OneStat.com (www.onestat.com), the number one provider of real-time web analytics, today reported that Mozilla's browsers have a total global usage share of 11.51 percent. The total usage share of Mozilla increased 2.82 percent since April 2005. Microsoft's Internet Explorer still dominates the global browser market with a global usage share of 85.45 percent which is 1.18 percent less as at the end of April.
"The global usage share of Mozilla's browsers is still growing and it seems that Netscape users and some Internet Explorer users are switching to the Firefox version. It also looks like that browser users of Internet Explorer for Apple's Mac are switching to Safari because the global usage share is still growing. It is also interesting to see that Microsoft's Internet Explorer has less global usage share in the USA as in the UK. Mozilla's browsers are more popular in USA and Canada as in the UK" said Niels Brinkman, co-founder of OneStat.com.
The most popular browsers on the web are:
1. Microsoft IE = 85.45 %
2. Mozilla Firefox = 11.51 %
3. Apple Safari = 1.75 %
4. Netscape = 0.26 %
5. Opera = 0.77 %
Source: http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox40_bro wser_market_firefox_growing.html
Nearly 17% of Canada, over 14% of the USA and just under 5% of the UK use Firefox!! -
onmousewheel, fix please kind firefox hacker?
onmousewheel event is still not supported after four years. IE, Safari, opera, etc support this please fix
:)
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11164 7
Please some firefox hacker fix this before 1.5 comes out. -
Re:Pathetic
Not really. Here's how it all went down:
0-3 seconds: Click super-duper "Submit to Slashdot Front Page" button
3-18 seconds: type in http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox
19-22: click on "Try Firefox 1.5RC1"
22-26: right-click and save to desktop
26-24: Downloaded in -2.00 seconds at (inf+1)KB/s.
CmdrTaco would never settle for a connection that obeyed the laws of physics. You know it, I know it. -
Re:Pop-up blocking
You could also try Fasterfox, which has some heavier-duty blocking.
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Re:To me, this issue always disturbs me
I forgot the Screen size configuration:
from the Mozilla FAQ:
http://www.mozilla.org/unix/dpi.html
To find out what your X server thinks your DPI settings are, run the program xdpyinfo:
$ xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution
Note the dimensions in pixels and millimeters, and the resolution in DPI. Compare to what you're actually using, but don't confuse dots and pixels - a dot may or may not equal a pixel. If you have KDE, kinfocenter's X-Server section will conveniently show the same information.
For example, if you use a 17" CRT display, your actual screen dimensions will be approximately 328 mm wide by 246 mm tall. This actual size can usually be forced by adding:
DisplaySize 328 246
to
Section "Monitor"
in /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/xorg.conf, as applicable on your system. If you are running a 1400 X 1050 resolution with a 328 mm X 246 mm display, your system will be running at an actual 108 DPI. In most cases, this change will be sufficient to correct your problem. -
Re:Is the Mac version still confused about tab foc
It was fixed. See the following bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31082 5 - mind the /. filter. -
Re:I hope they fixed the plugin in manager
Man am I getting pissed at the little fucker popping up every time I visit a site with Flash on it.
Don't the devs get it ? There's no way am on earth I'm installing Flash coz I don't want no Flashvertising.
Couldn't you just Adblock the swf files or install Flashblock? -
Re:I hope they fixed the plugin in manager
Man am I getting pissed at the little fucker popping up every time I visit a site with Flash on it.
Don't the devs get it ? There's no way am on earth I'm installing Flash coz I don't want no Flashvertising.
Couldn't you just Adblock the swf files or install Flashblock? -
Re:If you're gonna download it
Theres an annoying bug that prevents the status bar from displaying the link I'm hovering over.
I already have the tickbox for "Change status bar text" unticked - ie javascript should not change the status bar.
If the site includes onmouseover type events (even with simple return false code) then it cancels the javascript display but the URL never displays.
Its damn annoying.
and no, installing greasemonkey and using the noblindlink type scripts don't work now because nothing can touch the document.on* events (due to the new handling of the DOM within FF (They can however remove the on* events from the A elements, so is a partial fix)
Its been in bugzilla since 2000, what chance I can have it fixed before this release?
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40838
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First ImpressionsFailed to update automatically. Everytime the update would download and be applied, firefox would restart and do it all over again. Updated manually by downloading directly from http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/
One feature I wish they would include that was present in 1.0.7 was opening a new tab when I click with my scroll button on the tab toolbar. Does anybody know a good work-around or solution to this?
Popup blocker with Adblocker extension and a good list of stuff to block has transformed the internet in to a productive time waster again
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Re:Posting this from RC1 and ACID2
There were no plans to make 1.5 pass the Acid2 test. Firefox 1.5 is based on Gecko 1.8. Firefox trunk builds have made some progress as can be seen in bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=198232 part of bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289480.
DO NOT use 1.5 and a trunk build on the same profile. -
Re:IE 7 vs. Firefox 1.5
You can get the tab preview feature in Firefox through the following extension: (compatible with FFox 1.5RC1)
http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/tabpreview/ index.html
As for phishing, check out these extensions:
https://addons.mozilla.org/quicksearch.php?q=phish §ion=A
IE has not innovated in a very long time while other have been trying hard to innovate to just get through the market leader-ship barrier that IE has put. It's going to be very challenging for the IE team to introduce any feature that would be outside the "catch-up" with other browser features. I'm glad to see that IE is going to introduce nifty features from all over the place, nonetheless. -
Re:IE 7 vs. Firefox 1.5
IE7 won't be released until Windows Vista is released (late next year). Firefox 1.5 is coming out this year, and Firefox 2.0 is supposed to come out sometime next year (followed by a 3.0 even I think [???]). I know Ben Goodger has posted and/or linked to roadmaps in the past.. ahha, here it is--
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.ht ml
So yeah, I think the Firefox crew has some time to add in these new IE7 features (at least the ones that make sense) without having to worry too much. -
Re:Microsoft's loss is Mozilla's loss
It is hard to guess what they may do with the Mozilla Foundation. What about the Mozilla Corporation? It is taxable.
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Re:Microsoft's loss is Mozilla's loss
It is hard to guess what they may do with the Mozilla Foundation. What about the Mozilla Corporation? It is taxable.
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Re:IE 7 vs. Firefox 1.5
IE 7 (beta) still has some pretty sweet features that this version of Firefox doesn't. One of the coolest is the feature that lets you quickly see an image of all open tabs.
Firefox is ultimately a lightweight browser that can be easily expanded to suit an end-user's individual preferences. There are freely available extensions that will convert Firefox into the most feature-rich browser imaginable.
For the common end user, another is the phishing filter, which is pretty good.
It's funny that you would mention it. The current development builds of Mozilla Thunderbird actually have a "scam detection" filter, even though I feel that such technology does often add a false sense of security to the equation. Maybe it will be shared with an upcoming Firefox build.
I wish Firefox added more cutting edge stuff.
This subject has been beaten to death here at Slashdot, but I'm afraid that the Trident rendering engine is still many miles behind the competition. Gecko is definitely cutting edge by comparison, even though I understand that the Microsoft team is striving to improve their engine.
MS will win the war if this is what is going to compete against IE 7.
If there is indeed a browser war happening, Microsoft certainly has the advantage. For most people, after all, the preinstalled Internet Explorer is synonymous with "the Internet." However, I don't believe that Firefox 1.5 will be up against Internet Explorer 7.0. Instead, it's likely that Firefox 2.0 ("The Ocho") will be released alongside Vista, and that they will directly compete for the market. -
Wish they'd fix bug 270553 (E4X - DOM)
Kind of makes E4X useless for extension writing goodness.
Here's the URL (no link since they block /. referrers)
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27055 3 -
Infinite Loop Problem
I had that too (though not all people do). Download and run the rc1 installer from http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/ That should fix things.
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ctrl+tab on Mac OS X
With bug 275519 "[Mac] Support Command+Option+Arrows for tab switching (like Camino)" they decided to drop support for ctrl+tab under Mac OS X. As it's now a RC let me give you a how-to to reenable ctrl+tab. I hope it's easier in the final release (copied from my comment in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2755
1 9).
1) Quit Firefox
2) Go to Firefox.app, Choose Show Package Contents (my Finder show the german
text so I can only guess what's the wording in english) and go to
Contents/MacOS/chrome/
3) Backup toolkit.jar and rename it to toolkit.zip
4) unpack toolkit.zip and go to content/global/bindings/
5) open tabbrowser.xml
6) Replace (in line 1977 in my file)
this.mTabBox.handleCtrlTab = !/Mac/.test(navigator.platform);
with
this.mTabBox.handleCtrlTab = true;
7) Create an archive of the content folder
8) Rename it to toolkit.jar
9) You can now use ctrl+tab again
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Giving exemple
With a plugin architecture, it shouldn't be hard to have a small but functional installer that downloads all the bells and whistles the user wants, but only after it knows what the user wants.
To be more complete, you could even cite FireFox as an exemple of a successful "keep only vital core stuff in package and all bells and whistles as plug-ins/extension".
(The only drawback is, some upgrade of the core can break extension compatiblity. I've switched to 1.5 beta but some of the plug-ins I use aren't ported yet.)
AbiWord is an exemple of software which tries to provides less used functionnality in Plugins to avoid to bloat the base installation.
And, since 2.4 it works with OpenDocuments too. And it runs on Windows.
So yeah, there are plenty of exemple proving that the parent is right : plug-ins are an interesting solution that still provides a small installation, but enables users to have their favorite kitchensink enabled software. -
Re:Thunderbird/Lightning?
I'm confused about lightning - is it the new Mozilla PIM or is Sunbird? What's the difference and is one based off the other? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird.
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Re:They're two separate activities.
AFAIK, you should be able to ignore the XUL if you don't need it. All you really need is to intialize the XPCom system, then embed the nsWebBrowser into whatever application you are working on. For example, here's an MFC "brower" and here's a GTK "browser". (The latter being based on the GTK Embed widget.) The rest of the docs go on to explain all the wonderful features you can make use of, including XUL.
At the end of the day, though, the only way to really get going is to do as the Embedding FAQ suggests, and start mucking with one of the example browsers. :-)
P.S. If you're looking to embed Mozilla in Java, the Blackwood Webclient is pretty much ready to go. -
Re:They're two separate activities.
AFAIK, you should be able to ignore the XUL if you don't need it. All you really need is to intialize the XPCom system, then embed the nsWebBrowser into whatever application you are working on. For example, here's an MFC "brower" and here's a GTK "browser". (The latter being based on the GTK Embed widget.) The rest of the docs go on to explain all the wonderful features you can make use of, including XUL.
At the end of the day, though, the only way to really get going is to do as the Embedding FAQ suggests, and start mucking with one of the example browsers. :-)
P.S. If you're looking to embed Mozilla in Java, the Blackwood Webclient is pretty much ready to go. -
Re:They're two separate activities.
AFAIK, you should be able to ignore the XUL if you don't need it. All you really need is to intialize the XPCom system, then embed the nsWebBrowser into whatever application you are working on. For example, here's an MFC "brower" and here's a GTK "browser". (The latter being based on the GTK Embed widget.) The rest of the docs go on to explain all the wonderful features you can make use of, including XUL.
At the end of the day, though, the only way to really get going is to do as the Embedding FAQ suggests, and start mucking with one of the example browsers. :-)
P.S. If you're looking to embed Mozilla in Java, the Blackwood Webclient is pretty much ready to go. -
Re:They're two separate activities.
AFAIK, you should be able to ignore the XUL if you don't need it. All you really need is to intialize the XPCom system, then embed the nsWebBrowser into whatever application you are working on. For example, here's an MFC "brower" and here's a GTK "browser". (The latter being based on the GTK Embed widget.) The rest of the docs go on to explain all the wonderful features you can make use of, including XUL.
At the end of the day, though, the only way to really get going is to do as the Embedding FAQ suggests, and start mucking with one of the example browsers. :-)
P.S. If you're looking to embed Mozilla in Java, the Blackwood Webclient is pretty much ready to go. -
Re:They're two separate activities.
AFAIK, you should be able to ignore the XUL if you don't need it. All you really need is to intialize the XPCom system, then embed the nsWebBrowser into whatever application you are working on. For example, here's an MFC "brower" and here's a GTK "browser". (The latter being based on the GTK Embed widget.) The rest of the docs go on to explain all the wonderful features you can make use of, including XUL.
At the end of the day, though, the only way to really get going is to do as the Embedding FAQ suggests, and start mucking with one of the example browsers. :-)
P.S. If you're looking to embed Mozilla in Java, the Blackwood Webclient is pretty much ready to go. -
They're two separate activities.
I'm aware of the ActiveX control, and that is not what I want. I have read the documentation. What is there is significantly incomplete or out of date, or was as of August.
Most of the documentation focuses on using XUL to design Firefox-like applications. It looks like that book focuses on that as well. I was considering embedding Gecko into a proprietary C++ GUI toolkit. I was not interested in designing an XUL application on top of Mozilla. That is why such documentation was useless.
The somewhat relevant documentation and examples are severely lacking. Look at this XPCOM documentation. Many of the links are broken, and much of the content just isn't there. -
Re:Embedding Gecko, or using it as a platform?
No, those two are pretty much the same. Perhaps that's why the documentation is confusing you? A web browser is merely a wrapper around the HTML control that provides the "browsing" experience. For your own application, you'd pull up the HTML control whenever you needed it as opposed to using it centrally. Other than that, there really are no differences.
If you're thinking that they're different, perhaps you're only looking for the ActiveX Control? You can get the binaries here. It should work *exactly* like IE. -
Re:Embedding Gecko, or using it as a platform?
No, those two are pretty much the same. Perhaps that's why the documentation is confusing you? A web browser is merely a wrapper around the HTML control that provides the "browsing" experience. For your own application, you'd pull up the HTML control whenever you needed it as opposed to using it centrally. Other than that, there really are no differences.
If you're thinking that they're different, perhaps you're only looking for the ActiveX Control? You can get the binaries here. It should work *exactly* like IE. -
Quiet in this threadFor novice users, mention is made of the "--I-am-a-dummy" option which warns and provides a second chance to avoid inadvertent updating or deleting of a table.
Perhaps something less insulting to the user should have been chosen? e.g. "--novice" or "--safety=on"? I understand that they're trying to be funny, but they've never seen a highly frustrated newbie before. The poor sap may be so flustered that having the documentation call him a "dummy" might just be the last straw.
Alternatively, your boss might not find it so funny when you tell him you'll just flip on the "I'm a dummy" flag. I know that my boss wasn't too impressed when I told him that I was going to use Bouncy Castle for encryption. The API is really great, but the name doesn't exactly scream "Professionsl!"
In the same vein, I always got a kick out of the naming for the ElectricFire JVM. From "How did the project get it's name?":Scott Silver, one of the first EF developers, originally wanted to codename the project "Sexual Chocolate". (I'm not making this up.) That name was rejected, presumably because it would confuse Netscape's managers: "So, this Sexual Chocolate project actually has nothing to do with chocolate ?" Instead, Silver proposed "Electrical Fire" (two separate words). For the open-source release, Scott Furman coalesced the two words into one: "ElectricalFire", to make it apparent that the project was not to be confused with a safety hazard. A word of advice for the wise: if you end up working on a project with Scott Silver, do not allow him to handle the project codename.
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Re:Darwin's Inbox?
Birds, having descended from reptilian stock, still show evidence of this; Thunderbird, being no exception, is closely related to a nearly extinct species, Mozilla suite
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Re:Darwin's Inbox?
But how would he explain the existence of Thunderbird?
Eric
Read one of the best AdSense blogs around (runs on blojsom) -
Re:Visual Studio = Vendor Lock in
Sure, but that happens with any compiler. It's less of an issue with Free ones because it's not as big a deal when you're "locked into" something Free. I recently ran across this, the Mozilla C++ Portability Guide, and I was really surprised how anyone can jump through all those hoops to satisfy all these different compilers, and still write such a great app.
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Would it be possible...
For Flock to not open source their browser? By basing it on Firefox, doesn't the Mozilla Public License require that the changes to the source be distributed?
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Calendar extension
I'd love to move some of my small office clients to OpenOffice or StarOffice, but they require the calendar and scheduling functions of Outlook.
Soon, you'll be able to use Thunder and Lightning against Outlook. If you can't wait, there's already the Calendar extension, an implementation of the iCal standard for T-bird.
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Calendar extension
I'd love to move some of my small office clients to OpenOffice or StarOffice, but they require the calendar and scheduling functions of Outlook.
Soon, you'll be able to use Thunder and Lightning against Outlook. If you can't wait, there's already the Calendar extension, an implementation of the iCal standard for T-bird.
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Re:The 1-Click Software is quite useful
Firefox has one of those too. And no ads!
(I'm pretty sure there's a better extension that does the same thing: the one I remember was customizable so you could point the query to any page you wanted, including wikipedia)
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A platform everyone has
One way to start programming is by using something you are familiar with - your web browser. Most all browsers have a Javascript implementation (be aware of MS's JScript and VBScript with proprietary functions though) which you can use to begin learning the basics of input and data manipulation. Might I recommend Firefox for its nifty little JS console.
Sure, buttons and text boxes for input aren't the total representation of data input/manipulation, but like I said, its the basics. You only need to know what a variable is, and most functions offer decent interoperability with numbers and strings.
As well, you learn the C-Type syntax and get to do some cool stuff without having to download compilers and IDE's - a text editor and a JS-enabled browser is all you need. Once you do feel quite comfortable with the concepts, you can use your knowledge of the C-Type syntax to ease the transition into other C-Type languages - C/C++/C#, Java, and a whole lot more.
Recommended links:
Firefox - http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox
JS Tutorial - http://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp
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Re:No MSI build for Firefox - no mass deployment
iirc the reason ff moved from a zip to an installer was some registry key that was needed to make it work properly with a newer version of suns java.
they do however distribute xpis which are apparently just zips with some scripts inside maybe those would be a good starting point for autobuilding custom packages without re-building firefox itself from source. ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/Public/mozilla.org/firefox/r eleases/1.0.7/update/win32/ -
Re:Representative of Overall Market ShareThat's a load of crap, I don't know *anywhere* to buy firefox
http://store.mozilla.org/product.asp?code=MZ80006
& catid=1.Hope this helps.
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Re:Reminds me of Python..
(although I realise this may apply to other languages as well)
Indeed. It reminded me of the JavaScript shell as supplied by the Mozilla JavaScript Engine Rhino (http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/). With it you can use the JavaScript and Java API's. Just like MSH can use the
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Firefox comes with a "Live Bookmark" to the BBC
One thing I noticed when I installed Firefox, is that it comes with just one live bookmark. It is called: "Latest Headlines", and pulls the feed from http://fxfeeds.mozilla.org/rss20.xml/ But, this feed is the same as the main stories feed at BBC. I would figure people would click on these and get some more exposure to the BBC site, more than usual. This has actually made myself more aware of those stories, and made me more likely to visit again.