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Firefox Achieves 10% Global Market Share
sebFlyte writes "ZDNet is reporting that according to OneStat's latest figures, Firefox has passed the 10 percent market share mark. At 11.5 percent, it's still got a long way to go to reach Internet Explorer's 85.5 percent, but it's heading in the right direction. The report also mentions some odd geographical variation: Firefox's market share is almost three times higher in the US than UK, for example." From the article: "...other companies have noticed a decline in Firefox over recent months. Last month, Web applications provider NetApplications reported that the open source browser's share of the market dropped by 0.7 percentage points from August to September. Although this wasn't the first time that Firefox' share has dropped, RedMonk analyst James Governor said he believes the overall trend for Firefox is upwards."
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Mozilla's browsers global usage share is still growing according to OneStat.com
Amsterdam - November 2 2005 - OneStat.com (www.onestat.com), the number one provider of real-time web analytics, today reported that Mozilla's browsers have a total global usage share of 11.51 percent. The total usage share of Mozilla increased 2.82 percent since April 2005. Microsoft's Internet Explorer still dominates the global browser market with a global usage share of 85.45 percent which is 1.18 percent less as at the end of April.
"The global usage share of Mozilla's browsers is still growing and it seems that Netscape users and some Internet Explorer users are switching to the Firefox version. It also looks like that browser users of Internet Explorer for Apple's Mac are switching to Safari because the global usage share is still growing. It is also interesting to see that Microsoft's Internet Explorer has less global usage share in the USA as in the UK. Mozilla's browsers are more popular in USA and Canada as in the UK" said Niels Brinkman, co-founder of OneStat.com.
The most popular browsers on the web are:
1. Microsoft IE = 85.45 %
2. Mozilla Firefox = 11.51 %
3. Apple Safari = 1.75 %
4. Netscape = 0.26 %
5. Opera = 0.77 %
Source: http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox40_br
Nearly 17% of Canada, over 14% of the USA and just under 5% of the UK use Firefox!!
Once websites start working better with the standard adhering Firefox browser, IE use will begin to drop off as it will annoy users by not showing pages correctly.
"11.5 percent, it's still got a long way to go to reach Internet Explorer's 85.5 percent"
It only needs to make it to 50% + 1%, at least that's what Quebec Seperatists would have us believe.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
At 10% FireFox is starting to become interesting to malware producers. I guess I'll switch to Opera.
Don't the "makers" of Firefox need cash?
If NPR has pledge drives, shouldn't the Open Source movement?
Just asking.
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I think an important bit of data would be to have been told in the synopsis whether FF's growth comes at the expense of IE, or the other smaller browsers (Opera, etc). If it's simply killing off the weaker browsers, then the news really isn't that good, but if it's really taking share away from IE, then that really is important.
And Apple's Safari, supposedly, just hit roughly 3%. Are these percentages
better indicators of OS market share than actual purchase levels which don't
take into account pre-existing machines already in use?
A guy in my company was chastised for having Firefox on his computer. He tried to explain he was *helping* but they made him remove it and gave him an earful. Later, I explained all of the features and benefits... they still didn't want it on any company PC's and have no clue as to what it even is. Pretty sad.
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My website doesn't render properly with IE, and I get quite a few visits from various tech sites. Firefox's market share for my site is therefore around the 20-25% mark.
I'd be interested to see how the content and target audience affects the browser distribution at various websites.
P.S. Please don't visit my site. It's rather dull, and I'd prefer not to break it.
Argh.
...how much can we trust those figures? Not a lot I would say. In particular I find the 3* as much FireFox usage in the US compared to the UK disturbing. I would expect the two nations to have roughly the same uptake rate since they are braodly similar. I would also expect other European nations to have a slightly high uptake rate (as has been shown in other result). Perhaps the figure is absolute rather than per 1000 people or maybe there is some error in their recording which causes people browsing from unknown countries to get lumped in with America. Either way without an explanation it casts doubt, in my eye, on the validity of the results.
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The first one pissed me off because the .de and .com versions don't seem to have problems. The second one was problematic because my wife wanted to order something and didn't understand why the website was broken (Firefox is mandatory at my home). She blamed the website though, but I had to show her Internet Explorer so she could order the stuff she needed.
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I disagree. It's very rare but every so often I come across a site that requires the use of IE. The larger the marketshare of Firefox grows, the less that will happen.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
If I were to guess I would say that people who use Firefox spend a whole lot more free time on the web that people that suffer with IE.
This figure does not take in to account browser choice. I would also surmise that most people who use a web browser at work are forced to click the big blue "E".
At my computer labs at school we do have a choice between IE or Firefox. The IE icon is in it's default desktop location underneath My Computer and My documents. I imagine this is clicked out of habit rather than preference. The Firefox icon is on the bottom of the desktop. It will take years of habit changing before Firefox is the preferred browser for a majority of users.
Are you purposely trying to reject 85% of the potential visitors to your site? Is this your little way of sticking it to the man?
...of course, that's on a rather technical web site, RubyForge. Numbers are here.
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Oh stop it stop it, look here, you can't become a bloody fiscal hermit crab every time the Firefox undergoes a self-correction. Firefox's market has no where to go but up.
(With apologies to Family Guy)
For web developers the important thing is that we've passed the first inflection point: that is, companies can no longer afford to ignore Firefox.
But we're still a long way from the second inflection point: where can stop hacking to support IE (6, maybe 7). That's not happening for a long time, but if you look back 5 years, supporting IE 6 is really a piece of cake compared to IE 5, NS 4, etc.
According to somefakewebsite.com, which was created just a few moments ago as an imaginary source of invalid figures for the entertainment of others (or isifeo, as we like to call it here at randomslashdotcomments inc.), The number of windows viruses has decreased by another 1% due in part to the decreased use of web browsers that let websites install software on your computer, and also due to Norton's virus writing labs not keeping up with their anti-virus labs. (but marketing is right on schedule!)
It is also interesting to note that the linux virus ratio has increased to an estimated 0.01% this month, which is partly due to the windows users that recently switched to linux and installed the Bonzai Buddy via Wine, and the number of pop-tarts in my office has just decreased by 1 serving. ... make that 2 servings.
On a more serious note, I wonder what the market share ratio would be like if Internet Explorer wasn't part of the windows operating system.
"Now the trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed." -C.S. Lewis
Why? Because there exists no proof that all parties involved in market share tracking can agree on. I will not be surprised if anoher party comes up and says something to the effect..."not so fast Firefox..."
An especially annoying aspect is that my company talks a lot about offering non-Microsoft solutions, but many of our internal applications are locked to IE. It's getting better, and Firefox has the official status of a "supported" browser, but IE is still an effective drag.
And don't get me started about MS Office. That's a love-hate relationship and a half.
Moving onto dreams, I'd really like to be able to banish Microsoft from my life. The two major alternatives seem to be Apple or Linux, but I haven't made any move yet...
Getting further off topic, but for me to move away from Windows, I think the new non-Windows operating system should be pre-installed by the manufacturer with high assurance of software equivalents for all of my primary applications *AND* the ability to import my old data, which has mostly been trapped in Microsoft formats. I've done enough of cross-booting to say that cross-booting is not convenient enough...
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Web applications provider NetApplications reported that the open source browser's share of the market dropped by 0.7 percentage points from August to September
I couldn't verify it in TFA, but my first thought is that millions of kids go back to school around the end of August and begin using a browser which they haven't chosen. So it probably doesn't mean anything except that schools tend to not be early adopters.
In light of the rash of security issues for both and aside from a hate of MS, why exactly are you so adement about migrating away from everything MS?
People stop you to ask about it, or give you a knowing nod. It's like being part of a special club.
i mostly use firefox, except for ... ... ... i'm sure ... ...
accessing the web interface of the
dsl router, because i have firefox setup
to use my local proxy and the dsl router won't
except a request not coming in direct
anyway, firefox should keep sticking with
"no frills", just browsing idea, which it
started with in the first place
on my 166 mhz 64 mb win2000 lappy i use k-meleon,
'cause firefox has gotten to *shriek* bloated.
anyway, maybe they could go visit that lanl
gov think where they make the squid, and maybe have
them two abit thighter integrated
firefox could get a speed boost of some kind,
and squid could have a firefox friendly module
just a thought
With Opera recently becoming free (as in beer), there's no better time to switch. Most of the important functionality from Firefox is there (and incidentally was there first), even most of the things that require plugins for Firefox (automatic saving of tabs, mouse gestures, ability to "undo" closing a page, etc). And it has far better (in my opinion) single-key shortcuts (no CTRL or ALT modifier required) to do things like maneuver around a page without using the mouse, switch tabs, increase/decrease font size, go forward/back, and so forth.
If you're at all serious, make the leap--I think it's well worth it.
~ roscivs
The company said that Mozilla's browser now has a global market share of 11.5 percent, an increase of 2.8 percentage points since April.
If MS was promoting this it would be touted as a 24% increase in usage! And market share numbers would not even be mentioned. (It worked for NT...)
Showing my work for math nazies
(2.8/11.5*100=24%)
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... according to figures from http://www.spiegel.de/ and http://www.heise.de/ ( http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64790 => 40,2 % in sptember 2005) - two of the most popular .de-websites.
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I have to disagree. This is excellent news for my site...
You should our website. Evertime you place your mouse cursor over some text the entire pages starts jumping around. It's a horrible experience and can really disorient the viewer. The last time I recommended our web master make our website Firefox friendly, I was given the reply of "Firefox is only 2% of the market share". Hmm, good thing I saved the email because now I can reply with the current stats. Plus with a little management on my side, maybe it will happen this time. Thanks Slashdot and ZDNET!
I am a free(dom) software user and fan. However, whenever I hear talk about ___ software being a revolution I always dismiss it as hype. It is not revolution until a piece of software has at least double digit market share.
I am happy to see that in the case of Firefox, that is is NOW, indeed, a revolution.
Steve
The only reason I use IE is to do tax returns because my revenue service only supports IE. They say that FireFox support is coming soon - but that's been for 2 years now. I've often seen comments asking why we are so concerned about this, it's only a number - but it's not just a number, its the basis of many a (good/bad) design decision.
Everytime I open windows and type 'iexplore', a shiver runs down my spine. The sooner FireFox gets to 25% the better.
On another point, I think it is significant that the 11.5% that use FireFox, as opposed x% that use IE, actually choose to use FireFox, not just use it because it's there.
Genesis 1:32 And God typed
I am working to spread the firefox browser.
We all know that sex sells.
So try to look at this site http://www.thelovesearch.com/ using Microsoft
Internet Explore. It will try to convince your to use Firefox using
sex appeal.
If we could convince all porn sites to only support Firefox the battle
would be won in a few weeks.
Or am I dreaming now ??
Is Opera UA still stuck on IE by default ?
Would be nice to be able to monitor Opera market share, especialy since it got Free (as in Beer)...
We have to keep writing though because if we don't they'll take the "nobody uses it" approach. At the moment they may think that but after they get enough messages they'll have to change or lose custom. Which do you think'll want to do?
As an aside - following yesterday's post about Windows Live - I went to http://www.live.com/ and (using BugMeNot) logged in. At the top was a message saying "Firefox users: Firefox support coming soon - please be patienet
I can't wait for 1.5 to come out. Why? Auto-update. Yes this may be abused, or not trusted, but think about Safari; it's always up to date, or at least is after a few clicks. With FF 1.5 I can leave my Mom's computer alone knowing that her browser will be the safest out there as any vulns will be dealth with/installed ASAP. I see this as being a MAJOR improvement over MS, which last I checked, forced you to jump thru hoops to keep IE up to date.
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At 10% FireFox is starting to become interesting to malware producers. I guess I'll switch to Opera.
That's what's good about web standards. It's becoming increasingly possibly for you to make a choice like that because content less and less tied to one browser.
FF and Opera are both commited to implementing and supporting web standards like XML, SVG, and CSS. The bigger share they get, the more reason people have to develop standards-compliant content.
A virtuous cycle.
To me a website which only works in IE is just like any other nonfunctional or missing site. I am certain that Audi and ALS Verlag can be contacted by phone, where they can be informed of their problem before you have them tell you about their products and possibly take the order. It is in their interest to shift that workload back to the automated webshop.
Interesting... I didn't know about that extension. Still, doesn't the risk exists that she starts browsing with IE without knowing it with this plugin? At least now she uses Firefox most of the time and IE when trouble comes up (due to bad webdesign, and she knows it... )
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You know, it's exactly that attitude of "world domination" that got the Web into the mess it is today. Firefox is not for everyone. I don't want to see it become "what you have to use whether you like it or not", because we've been down that road.
What is nice to see is that users of alternative browsers do make more than single-digit percentages, which of course means they're harder to dismiss. If Apple, The Mozilla Foundation, and Opera can all assure they take the high road at all times with regards to fixing rendering/parsing/etc bugs, MS won't be guaranteed to be the same, but it'll certainly make life easier on web designers.
If designers have to somehow work around 3, 4, 5 different browsers' rendering habits and bugs- things will be a disaster, they'll be frustrated and tempted to just support IE and "the next biggest fish", etc.
Also- I hope all the non-IE browsers are now 'shipping' by default with their own browser strings, not set to pretend to be IE...
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Your math is wrong. The *growth* is from 8.7% to 11.5%; so the correct calculation is (2.8/8.7) * 100 = 32%.
Your calculation would be right for: the old number is 24% lower. This busines of growth catches a lot of people.
I can't believe 9 out of 10 people still fire up IE to surf the web. *deep sigh*
"hey, could you pass me a paper towel? er.. I mean... DEPLOY ABSORBTION PANEL!"
How Microsoft is being constantly attacked by the competition right now?
.NET: Mono
DB: Oracle just launched its free database.
Browsers: Firefox, Opera
Office: OpenOffice.org + Google initiative muahahahaha!
OS: Linux + Wine
Servers: Apache
Microsoft
Compared to five years ago, Microsoft is now living a nightmare (No wonder Ballmer began throwing chairs and everything).
Just a thought.
> Audi Belgium and ALS Verlag . Both sites majorly fuck up on navigation.
/.ing effect will learn them to be non standard compliant!
Ok so ladies and gentleman, you know what you have to do. Just click on the links.
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even Microsoft is recognizing firefox. The new microsoft live site states-"firefox support coming soon".
Also install "Open in IE" extension and configure it to use avant browser. Remove all shortcuts to IE or avant browser, and make FF use mandatory. For sites that don't run properly , just right click and do "Open in IE".
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
To catch IE, asuming all new firefox users are IE converts.
We are the Borg...
Sadly, despite your letter writing, you still fired up IE and gave them business. Unless there is ZERO suitable competition to purchase from, then a better approach would be to have written and let them know that their named competition did receive your business due to their unrestrictive Web site.
Pushing for Free Software and open formats/protocols is not easy and it does require some sacrifice of convenience. Some people only understand the bottom line.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over again expecting a different result."
I don't know if Firefox is really much more secure in terms of virus/spyware than Internet Explorer or not. My intuition is that the virus/spyware things are just geared towards Internet Explorer users. Either way, I get far far fewer problems using Firefox than IE. Perhaps the more people that use Firefox, the more problems we'll have? Strange side effect if true.
-Da3vid-
As a web developer I'm seeing the return of having to fill my javascript back up with "If IE do this; If Netscape do this; If Firefox do this".
Major pain in the butt. That's all I'm gonna say.
BTW, "Almost there"? Firefox now officially has it's foot in the door. That's all. IE7 is about to come out which will eliminate the reasons why many people switched to FF in the first place. I've got no beef with FF. I'm just trying to be realistic here. I predict FF growth dramatically slows when IE7 comes out.
Just like in the case of the PSP "taking marketshare" from nintendo's handhelds. The numbers are very misleading. Just because someone is caught using firefox does not mean they don't have internet explorer also. I have both, and i'm posting this using IE *gasp*. The fact that I have both IE and firefox means i'm in that sample set twice, once because I have firefox and once because I have IE. That does not mean firefox is taking marketshare away from internet explorer. It just means that more people are using firefox.
Netcraft confirms it, FireFox is ... umm ... wait, this can't be right, Netcraft confirms something is thriving?
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And she's right to blame the website. Professional web developers should know better than to code IE-only sites.
You see, this works when you talk about me: I would never buy a product with them because of their inability to create a compliant website. For my wife this is a small inconvenience, but she really doesn't want to hear about browser wars and standard compatibility. All she needs to know is that she needs to fire up another browser because (I quote myself) "ALS Verlag did everything you shouldn't do when building a website". I can't do more than that *and* have a peaceful marriage.
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"Web applications provider NetApplications reported that the open source browser's share of the market dropped by 0.7 percentage points from August to September."
Sure... it's the new school year, new computers ship with IE installed, I am not surprised at all.
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You really thought that I linked to them without thinking of such a thing? ;-)
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My employees install Firefox for 90% of our customer base. hey delete all IE icons and references. Yet within weeks almost 90% of the customers are back to using IE. The reason? Familiarity.
I can't figure it out. I'm no OSS fanboi, but IE sucks. Why the addiction for so many?
At 11.5 percent, it's still got a long way to go to reach Internet Explorer's 85.5 percent
Yeah, I can't wait until IE and Firefox are at 85.5%!
I am optimistic, but if firefox can get around 25-50% of the market we could see more people using open source products. I think with many Open source products that are not popular is the fact they are not so easy to use. Firefox has figured that out. They have even made it easier in Firefox 1.5 by having automatic updates and force pop-ups into tabs. If the rest of the open source community can look at firefox and take some ideas like ease of use people may start going toward open source other than people like myself. Some already have like Novell and IBM putting a nice GUI to many difficult applications to make it easier for everyday people to admin or use as a desktop.Hay, If i can get my girlfriend into open source like firefox and thunderbird i think their might be a new era of applications coming from open source development.
Odd that the figures don't count Mozilla as well as Firefox. On my (non-techie, UK-based) site, about 3.5% of visitors use Mozilla, on top of the roughly 10.5% using Firefox.
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My graphs show a slow but steady decline in IE visitors (about 82% now.)
I can only imagine that the next major release of Firefox (1.5) will cause another wave of Firefox adoption. Personally, I am currently not pushing Firefox that strongly since I know that if I help someone install 1.0.7 today, I'll have to do the same thing with 1.5 in a few weeks. But I will once again be pushing the browser heavily once a new, production-version of the browser is ready. Also a new release means new publicity. I think 1.5 will easily push Firefox into the 15-20% range.
"I would expect the two nations to have roughly the same uptake rate since they are braodly similar."
Simply not. Language is similar but culturally they are worlds apart.
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With FireFox, just add the NoScript extension. Along with the built-in restrictions on installing software (whitelist), this should keep your browser free from anything that isn't an exploit in the browser code itself.
I don't care how "interesting" it is to them. If they can't get their crap installed on my machine, I'm happy.
the overall trend for Firefox is upwards.
That's the point. There are too many people in the news business today who only went to one week of statistics in university, the one where they were told how to "lie with statistics" (and yes, my prof had a special lecture about that in his curriculum).
Posting "Firefox down 0.7%" one month, and another "Firefox share declines again" a few months later is misleading and dishonest if it refers to two dips in an overal upwards trend. Everyone who's ever done statistics knows that very few graphs are monotonously rising, and even the strong rising ones have some dips in them.
The overal longterm trend can be calculated and extrapolated, and it's much more important than what it's been up or down this week, except on the stock exchange where you can actually make money on a moment-by-moment trading basis.
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Most people don't care, and never will. They don't want to here about why IE-only support is a problem, they just want the web to work right, so they'll keep using IE, and sites will feel free to keep coding exclusively for IE.
Do you think they care if they get a letter from someone who wasn't going to buy from them anyway, as long as they make a sale despite the incident mentioned in the letter?
Don't blame me; I'm never given mod points.
Opera in US has marginal share, so there is nothing to take. OTOH in Poland Opera has 6.5% market share and Firefox almost 16%. Since Firefox hype started Opera didn't lose market share and it usage still grows, although much slower (last year Opera had 4% while FF had 0.5%).
Unfortunately we cannot do anything about audi.be, butt als-verlag is a different matter. Check back on Saturday morning, and their site will be, hummm, much more interesting than it is now.
"Oh, no! I told them once, I told them a hundred times: put 'Spinal Tap' first and 'Puppet show' last!"
If you can't understand that, you're either not married or are married to a geeky wife. Go figure, my wife is definately non-geeky and I have to respect that. You don't want to know in what kind of state her computer was when I entered her life.
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"1 out of 10 users prefers the Firefox web browser."
(Picture happy guy browsing the web)
"The other 9, are still having problems."
(Picture unhappy users with viruses and popups. The Firefox user just looks at them and shakes his head, smiling)
Firefox. Now with AdBlock.
that's why you change the firefox icon to the BLUE E, and stick it under My Computer. And in the hotlaunch bar.
on every machine you can.
why should you care? well, maybe you shouldn't care, unless you're a network admin who has to deal with the ie spyware, or if you actually want people to have a browser that allows functional text resizing, bla bla.
it's my experience that usually it does help to send a friendly e-mail explaining the problem. I did it with 3 websites with serious problems (not layout) and 2 of them repaired it within a few days. Most of the time the website works mostly except for 1 thing that makes it unusable in firefox.
I understand not everyone wants to spend time debugging someone elses website for free, but I had the best results by sending a rather detailed analysis of the problem and some hints for a solution.
American Express site seem to have problem with non Microsoft, Non IE platforms. I stopped using their credit cards anyway. Here is one if you don't belive me. Kinda funny lookingin Firefox(I am using firefox 1.5 Beta 1). I heard stories recently they don't you hire if you are using a Mac.
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https://www124.americanexpress.com/cards/home?act
I'm not judging your actions. I don't expect you to demand that you wife boycott companies with bad websites.
However, the fact that she, like most other people, doesn't care how bad the website is shows that it's pretty much a hopeless cause to write complaint letters about the websites in question. The people running them know that you wife doesn't care if she has to use IE. They know that 99% of their potential customers care more about being able to make their purchase than they do about whether they're forced to use a Microsoft product. If every single person who does care about browser choice and good use of web standards boycotts a business, they're hardly going to lose a significant amount of their revenue.
Don't blame me; I'm never given mod points.
Europe is far ahead. Take a look at Xiti's map: http://www.xitimonitor.com/etudes/equipement11.asp
Firefox is a commercial branded product looking to make co marketing deals for the initial bookmarks and such. I wouldn't give them a dime. They are even ordering me to remove Firefox from my RHEL rebuild distro because I don't have permission to use their precious trademark. Feh. So the next WBEL4 release will have Iceweasel in instead. Just not getting in a hurry to to the rebranding work because 1) I don't like getting rolled by buttweasels and 2) I was kinda hoping for consensus among the Free Software community on a new name. Iceweasel is what the Debian folk have been half jokingly suggesting calling it if Firefox does more than rattle their sabers at em, but for now they seem to think the best course is ignoring em and hope they just go away.
And forget passing out customized copies either. Even Speakeasy couldn't do it, instead they pass out a little plugin to install after Firefox to accomplish their cusomizations. As for me at my public library, since Netscape doesn't appear to be going to release a Netscape Communicator Customization Kit for the current release, my choices for our next setup CD (we have two dozen public access dialups) is either a setup doc walking an end user through Firefox, Thunderbird and local customizations for both (support nightmare!) or trying to get a Windows devel box up and building a customized Seamonkey when it finally comes out of Alpha. Double Bleh!
If the Seamonkey guys are hard up for cash though, I'd gladly toss THEM a few bux to keep the caffine flowing in their veins. They are our best hope for getting a 100% Free browser at this point.
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urm, this report says 11.5%
this one from the other day says the http://www.bbc.co.uk/ homepage gets 9.7% firefox.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/24/0627 252
Surely that is about as representative of the uk population as anything?
so since when was 11.5 / 3 = 9.7?
maybe onestat's coverage in the UK is a bit skewed?
The most popular browsers on the web are:
1. Microsoft IE 85.45 %
2. Mozilla Firefox 11.51 %
3. Apple Safari 1.75 %
4. Netscape 0.26 %
5. Opera 0.77 %
Is that the new l33t alphabet or something, because I don't see it.
My bank (SunTrust) won't let me pay bills unless I'm using IE or Netscape. So I installed the Firefox User-Agent Switcher plugin to let Firefox tell the website that I'm using IE. Firefox renders the online banking web pages well so there's no reason they couldn't support Firefox. They're just too lazy to test it.
When I use the User-Agent Switcher plugin, the bank is collecting bogus data about which browser I'm really using -- bogus data that supports their contention that "everyone's using IE, why should we support Firefox!" Irksome.
Well, I suppose that if I hadn't been around for asking why the website was flaky, she would have gone elsewhere. Fate wanted that I was around to help her. She didn't even know about Internet Explorer anymore! I had to start it for her.
So, from that point of view, I am entirely at fault.
I'm already happy that my whole family converted to Firefox. None of them ever uses Internet Explorer (as far as I have observed, of course...), with the recent exception of my wife... of course.
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Joy to the world! The Fox has come! Let Earth, browse oooo-pen sourrrrce!
Many people moved to it because MSIE was seen as insecure but recent reports show some problems with Firefox. The Firefox team should work with the OpenBSD/OpenSSL team to develop an audit process over the code to ensure it truly is more secure than MSIE.
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Yes, keep 'em separate, thats the best way.
Non-sophisticated computer users (read non-total nerds) don't mind a little bit more "difficulty" if it avoids "complexity" (these are two different things).
It is more difficult to run two web browsers than to worry about which browsing engine you are using in a given tab, however, its also an easier idea to conceptualize.
As long as the setup works for the end user, you're golden.
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I'm interested in what data they have for Germany or other countries. If Apache is any example, then Firefox should be much more in use some places: Apache has only about 70% of the HTTP server market worldwide, but has over 90% in Germany.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
It's kind of stupid though. If the bank had simply coded to standard, then there wouldn't be a problem, assuming that MS reps didn't flat out negotiate with the bank to make problems for standards compliant browsers.
However, I think more people are now coding to standard XHTML + CSS for FireFox, Opera, Safari, etc. first and then making tweaks so that their work renders also in MSIE. Passing 11% marketshare will just make that practice more common.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
How come no one mentions that Fire Fox has a very bad memory management ? /. reader ? And for such a user - in the choice between cool browser and functional machine (after 20 minutes of browsing) the second option wins ?
Maybe the decrease in the percentages is due to the fact that the average Internet user have less RAM than the average
Don't get me wrong - I'm using Fire Fox since ver 0.6, and I like it a lot. But the last versions are impossible. After 20 minutes of usage, the Brower must be restarted. A friend showed me Fire Fox consuming 1 Giga (!) of RAM on Debian Linux, with only 2 standard tabs opened (after 2 days with no restart).
The dev team should pay some of its attention to the memory problems, and not just to the new cool features.
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I just installed FF 1.5RC on a friends machine (Pentium II/III 600 with not much memory).
It was impossible to use (taking too much resources) to the point of being no use. Had to unistall it, and leave IE alone...
and make it the default browser but I don't take away their IE. The dumb fuckers just go searching for thier IE icon and use that instead.
If MS was promoting this, they would have used the original market share (11.5 - 2.8 = 8.7) in the calculation. The calculation would then be (2.8/8.7)*100% for an increase of 32.2%!
I use NoScript.
One recent exploit that worked even with NoScript enabled was the highly critical 'Firefox IDN URL Domain Name Buffer Overflow'.
http://secunia.com/advisories/16764/
I'll probably be modded down for this...
And MS would be correct, since that's the proper way to compute increases in percentage.
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I'm guessing it's always been possible to get around firefox's popup blocker, but when it only had a tiny market share, the evil marketers didn't bother with it. However, with the popularity firefox has been enjoying, it looks like they've dicided it is worth their time to try and get me to buy something by hitting me in the face with it. :(
Does anyone know a way to make the popups go away again? - I don't want to block the ad banners; if the sites can get revenue with no interaction from me, good for them. I just the annoying popups to go away.
Who needs graphical web browsers when we have LaTeX!!!!!11oneone
. . . sorry, couldn't resist.
A small anecdote, but I was recently asked to sit in on a vendor demo of some big brother software for tracking usage and keystrokes (!!) of our organizations employees. Prior to the demo, I thought I would check out their web site. The navigation menus were broken in Firefox. I thought that was funny considering most of their products used a web interface. To me, it said, "We don't know how to code a web site properly, but please buy our web-based products!"
Too bad I don't make the buying decisions. Of course, if I did, we'd never be looking for that type of software to begin with.
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/.ers (except me) were good guys :)
And I thought all
Maybe he's using Sun's versioning method!
I would never recommend FireFox to a casual user until auto-update is available. Casual users will not periodically check for security updates (of which there have been many in FireFox) and so they will be like sitting ducks.
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Don't believe me, check out http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vu
The more you regulate a company, the worse its products become.
Firefox is still no where near being secure as it should be for mainstream. Remember the IDN flaw which affected everything? This flaw still hasnt been fixed either: http://security-protocols.com/advisory/sp-x19-advi sory.txt/
I hope all the non-IE browsers are now 'shipping' by default with their own browser strings, not set to pretend to be IE...
I wish that browsers would ship so that the user agent would identify themselves only as being Standards Compliant. Web designers have only themselves to blame for non-IE browsers masquerading as IE. There have been a great many web designers that have configured their sites to REFUSE to serve non-IE browsers. There have also been web designers that have have set up their web sites to deliberately serve broken code to non-IE browsers (one famous example is MSN deliberately sending a broken stylesheet to Opera browsers in Feb of 2003).
you can always switch banks
For several years, the only bank with branches in Terre Haute, Indiana, was First Financial. And for several years, the bank's web site required IE for Windows (though this has since been fixed).
I've had Firefox installed on my wife's computer since before the 1.0 release. I deleted all the shortcuts to IE, and after that just assumed she was using it. Until looking over her shoulder one day, asking her about a movie, I see that she gets to the internet by opening up the start menu, and clicking on windows update . . . shudder. Some people do like Internet Explorer, and will go through extra means to get to it. My wife doesn't know how to recreate desktop shortcuts, but did remember that windows update runs on IE. Hence, she was able to fill up her windows machine with spyware despite my precautions. I haven't figured out what the appeal for IE is yet, maybe she enjoys clicking on the giant stacks of IE windows in the taskbar, and painfully locating the site she was just on.
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I wrote an email to the ALS Verlag. Maybe it helps.
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What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
However, whenever I hear talk about ___ software being a revolution I always dismiss it as hype.
Even Konami's dance simulation software? What about games developed for Nintendo's 2006 video game console?
Wells Fargo Online Banking works fine with Firefox and Mozilla.
Get even. Block IE. Using Apache:
Then just create a little noie.html page that says "IE not supported here. Use a real browser."
If MS wants to pick a fight, fight back I say.
Look All, I think this is over simplified. I have downloaded firefox 3 times for our network installation, and have deployed it hundreds of times.... so what does the download stat have to do with the real number of firefox users? 10 million downloads, x how many corperate/large network users got it through one download. Did you know that 69% of all people lie thourgh stats? Look it up, google it, or what ever...
Sig Hansen?
Are you installing common plug-ins? I think a lot of people are reluctant to install or don't know how to install them. If you can't view plug-in dependent websites, your browser experience isn't going to be all that great.
What idiot modded this informative?
Funny? Yes. Informative? No.
Mmmm.. Donuts
I would never recommend FireFox to a casual user until auto-update is available.
Mozilla Firefox 1.5 RC1 has working auto-update. Install it now, and your casual users will get Fx 1.5 final when it is released.
Evertime you place your mouse cursor over some text the entire pages starts jumping around.
Then your page's CSS has a bug. The fix is simple: don't use a font-weight or font-size that varies based on :hover.
I happily run Firefox on Windows 95 and NT. Guess you can count me out of IE7 too. Actually one of the reasons I stick with 95 and NT is because they DON'T integrate IE into the shell. Too bad I can't run Firefox in Windows for Workgroups....
I'm NOT switching to Opera until there is an easy to install ad blocking plugin like Firefox has for OS X. I don't have hours to mess with config files, and TOR is buggy and unreliable on OS X. I'll do just fine with Firefox. Camino and Safari, thanks.
Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
Go download Firefox 1.5 RC1 and help test it. The only way its going to be adopted more is if it works better and has few enough shortcomings to make the move to it worth it.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
And yes, that's Mozilla, not Firefox, and I probably should either upgrade to 1.7.12 or else use real Firefox, but it's convenient to have a browser install that has all the parts and most of the plugins working with it. I haven't hunted down the offending pages, or tried them in Opera yet to see if they crash it; if I'm going to bother doing that, I should upgrade the browser first.
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As one of the 1.77% using Safari, is it even worth while to switch over to FF again? I've been with the project from the very start, laughed through the name changes, wrote my bugzillas, and got my share of people to switch.
Then I bought a Mac. And FF got sluggish, it takes for ever to open. It's a memory whore (about as bad a pre 10.4.3 Safari). The only thing I miss is extentions, ad-block (dang 4.3 breaking pithhelmet), and mouse gestures.
Does the new FF make this worthwhile?
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
What idiot modded this to 2?
Funny? Yes. Wrong? Yes.
MS will release its latest version of IE and will start to regain some of its lost market share. IE 7 is very nice to use, and should (while running on the next version of Windows) reduce security issues, not to mention better support for standards.
In all honesty I hope Firefox reachs 70% of the market share so they can get beat down with spyware/adaware...
Regular sites have slightly different hit count. I doubt that any huge site has 85% IE and 10% Firefox. Most sites even havy pro-Unix probably have 95% IE hits in stats.
Allowing employees to install...
Gad, what a bureaucracy. I thought the bureaucracy was supposed to *support* employes by *empowering* them and *meeting their needs*. The first clue that you're in a dysfunctional institution is when it starts to be the other way around. Run! Run!
At 11.5 percent, it's still got a long way to go to reach Internet Explorer's 85.5 percent
No it doesn't. (85.5-11.5)/2 = 37.7% Firefox only need another 37.7% to surpass Internet Explorer's illegal market share.
Seriously, while FF reaching 10% is good news, we do need to avoid pushing for another monoculture. The world would be better off with a flock of browsers designed to work well (which included efficiently) for different people and different environments.
A flock of different browsers, all standards-compliant of course, would really help to avoid a situation where a single piece of malware can bring down zillions of machines.
And there are good technical reasons for wanting browsers designed differently. There are all sorts of special situations where one might want an unusual browser. Thus, lynx does pretty well for the visually impaired, and it's also a browser that can be run from scripts (since it doesn't do full graphics). A browser running on a handheld with a tiny screen is going to render things differently that something on a huge screen, and code that does both kinds of renderings is going to be inherently slower than code that's more specialized.
Lots of readers can probably give situations where they'd really like a browser that's unusual in some way. I know I can think of lots of things I'd like done differently from how FF does them.
So, good as firefox may be, we should treat its success as grounds for pushing for still more good browsers. Some may be based on FF. But we'd probably be even better off if they are independent code. Monocultures are dangerous, and should be consciously avoided.
Of course, right now we might start the anti-FF action by pushing for opera. OK; it's not open-source, which is a mark against it. But it's good, and the company is a bunch of nice guys (so far). They just made it ad-free. So everyone should grab a copy and start running up the server stats for it.
And use konqueror some more. Can it run on Windows yet? That'd be fun to foist on the MS crowd.
The ideal would be no browser over 10% of the stats.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
Why cares if some RedMonk analyst believes the trend for whatever is upwards or downwards?
My mother can predict stuff as good as him.
I love w3m. It's so nice and fast compared to, say, Firefox. It's a pleasure to use on properly (and sparsely) designed sites.
However, w3m, like all browsers I've used (maybe not lynx, I can't remember) often requires horizontal scrolling to view the entire page. I most often see this in Firefox in mailing list archives where someone isn't breaking paragraphs into multiple lines (which I believe should be perfectly acceptable... oh well). Why oh why can't Firefox be forced to break these lines? Can it and I just don't know how? Can any browser? I never want to see a horizontal scrollbar. I don't care what contortions the browser needs to go through; just never never never burden me with a horizontal scrollbar. It makes reading anything absolutely miserable. And no, a horizontal scroll wheel on the mouse would not make things better for I'd still need to shift back and forth just to read a paragraph or two.
Here are examples from two web sites (those with a share of less than 1% are omitted, unknowns are crawlers).
The first is mainly a techie site. Audience are tech savvy.The other is for non-techies.See the difference in MS IE vs. FireFox share? It is about 3X as much
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