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That would be silly, because it would be stooping to the IE's level.

If I ever see a web page that specifically excludes me because I use a Non-Supported Browser, or deliberately crashes my browser, I'm not going to listen to that web designer's plea of Using Another Browser. Instead, I go elsewhere.

But if I see a site promoting the author's favorite browser in a sensible, non-intrusive way, I'm not annoyed at all - still might not be interested to switch this very instant, but at least I'm not annoyed. =)

Didn't we learn anything from the last browser wars?

this hack really does show the power of IE that you can deploy a script fix to browser problems.

Maybe 'the powerful IE developers' should fix this problem themselves.

Want a real fix? Go here

Use a Mozilla Firefox nightly build, the bug (217369, I think) that caused this problem is fixed in them.

More major changes since 0.8 here.

If you havent already yet, you should of switched from IE to Firefox. It is now my default browser on Windows, and on Windows XP it even puts it as the top Start menu item. It is fast, light, small download (6Mb), Tabbed Browsing, Popup blocking, Download manager, Cute icon and standards compliance are all good reasons to use it. So don't use an ugly hack to transform your pages for IE, put a firefox icon on your site.

So if you havent downloaded it yet, get it now!. Avalible for Windows, Linux, Mac OS X and more!

I think I'd personally be more interested in a stylesheet that redirects IE browsers to www.mozilla.org/ :) Or even better: crashes them.

MS has listed many remote exploits as 'moderately' critical or less. Given that its poor security has been hitting its customers in the pocket book for years and now finally hitting MS, this is just more spin. Just like when a few years ago it started bundling multiple issues into single announcements and then a year later, with much fanfare, proclaimed that the number of security announcements had gone down (while the number of actual issues and unresolved issues went up)

If people are serious about improving security, they'll put MSIE on the back shelf and use mozilla, drop MS-Outlook and use Eudora, Evolution, Squirrelmail, Pine, Mutt, Mozilla, Thunderbird or whatever. For OS's there are Linux, OS X, and QNX. Given that most Linux distros are now much easier to install, customize and, especially, maintain than MS-Windows variants, it seems like the obvious choice in these hard economic times since you can get more performance out of your existing hardware by dropping MS completely.

If you want ease of use, then OS X is the obvious choice. However, KDE on QNX or Linux is just as easy as MS-Windows XP, but more customizable.

FYI, I am posting AC for a reason. The company I work for does roll-outs and tech support for small cable companies. Scripts are in place to automatically deactivate accounts with high upload/download bandwidth (meaning trojan p2p programs) and techs monitor e-mail usage. Problem with an account? Notify account holder and de-activate account. If the account holder can't be notified, the account is de-activated anyways.

It's time people start taking responsibility for their actions when using a computer. Computers need to be patched frequently with Windows Update. AntiVirus programs such as Norton Antivirus, Mcafee VirusScan, or Trend Micro PC-Cillin (my personal favorite) are needed with updates and scans run, at the very least, weekly. Computers also need anti-trojan programs such as The Cleaner and anti-spyware programs such as Spybot Search & Destroy and Adaware. Even go as far not to use the default Internet programs, Internet Explorer and Outlook Express. Instead, use free, open source programs such as Mozilla Firefox (browser) and Thunderbird (e-mail).

Naturally, the majority of people on /. know this, but we need to spread the word.

FYI, I am posting AC for a reason. The company I work for does roll-outs and tech support for small cable companies. Scripts are in place to automatically deactivate accounts with high upload/download bandwidth (meaning trojan p2p programs) and techs monitor e-mail usage. Problem with an account? Notify account holder and de-activate account. If the account holder can't be notified, the account is de-activated anyways.

It's time people start taking responsibility for their actions when using a computer. Computers need to be patched frequently with Windows Update. AntiVirus programs such as Norton Antivirus, Mcafee VirusScan, or Trend Micro PC-Cillin (my personal favorite) are needed with updates and scans run, at the very least, weekly. Computers also need anti-trojan programs such as The Cleaner and anti-spyware programs such as Spybot Search & Destroy and Adaware. Even go as far not to use the default Internet programs, Internet Explorer and Outlook Express. Instead, use free, open source programs such as Mozilla Firefox (browser) and Thunderbird (e-mail).

Naturally, the majority of people on /. know this, but we need to spread the word.

Mozilla

AS1.0 was like Javascript - it was the flash interpretation of an ancestor shared with Javascript. This is Actionscript's lineage.

But AS2.0 is intended to be Java-like in syntax, and they considerably souped up the class-based OO programming interfaces.

Get Firefox - Take Back the Web

I migrated from Sygate to Kerio, and while it is true that Kerio is no longer 100% free, this is what you miss out on after 30 days:

"Limited free edition does not provide the content filtering capabilities such as blocking pop-up windows, ads, VB scripts, cookies, etc. and other extra features. Please see the comparison table for more details."

Personally, I didn't use any of that because I have a good browser and can handle myself without the "extra features" - it reminded me twice that it expired (a few days before, and on day of) and has since been silently doing its duty.

IE theme for Mozilla. This might even be parent proof.

It's relatively simple to keep your parents surfing in safety. As many people have already mentioned, Firefox is a good start. But that's not where you need to stop. While Thunderbird is stil in alpha, it makes a nice email client, and has fewer glaring security holes than some of the more popular clients.

But where everything comes together is with the last two important pieces of software. I used to be a strong supporter of The Proxomitron, but it's very difficult to find now, and is no longer supported, so I've switched over to Privoxy which runs on most platforms, incidentally.

Privoxy is a local proxy that does filtering on all web content that you view, removing things like some ads, and all unrequested pop-ups. It filters virtually all malicious content I have seen.

A personal firewall is important to have now, and there are some reasonable free ones around. The ones I like take a bit of configuration, but they sure beat Zone Alarm. The two I use are Kerio Personal Firewall and Sygate Personal Firewall.

Sadly, both these products used to be completely free, but the same is no longer completely true.

Essentially, it is important to use a good browser, mail client, local proxy and firewall. With those in place a virus scanner is often somewhat redundant, though one of those might be a good idea too.

On the spam prevention front, I find Popfile to be an invaluable tool. It is, however, a wee bit advanced. I suspect that most parents wouldn't quite grok it. I've heard good things about SpamAssassin, though, and it might be worth the effort of teaching parents.

It's relatively simple to keep your parents surfing in safety. As many people have already mentioned, Firefox is a good start. But that's not where you need to stop. While Thunderbird is stil in alpha, it makes a nice email client, and has fewer glaring security holes than some of the more popular clients.

But where everything comes together is with the last two important pieces of software. I used to be a strong supporter of The Proxomitron, but it's very difficult to find now, and is no longer supported, so I've switched over to Privoxy which runs on most platforms, incidentally.

Privoxy is a local proxy that does filtering on all web content that you view, removing things like some ads, and all unrequested pop-ups. It filters virtually all malicious content I have seen.

A personal firewall is important to have now, and there are some reasonable free ones around. The ones I like take a bit of configuration, but they sure beat Zone Alarm. The two I use are Kerio Personal Firewall and Sygate Personal Firewall.

Sadly, both these products used to be completely free, but the same is no longer completely true.

Essentially, it is important to use a good browser, mail client, local proxy and firewall. With those in place a virus scanner is often somewhat redundant, though one of those might be a good idea too.

On the spam prevention front, I find Popfile to be an invaluable tool. It is, however, a wee bit advanced. I suspect that most parents wouldn't quite grok it. I've heard good things about SpamAssassin, though, and it might be worth the effort of teaching parents.

Nope, no blocking. They make other programs for that purpose.

She doesn't have to learn Linux, no one has to spend $$$ on a Mac, and she can still watch those stupid WMV video clips her friends send her links to.

Chances are your parents already have a Windows PC, just keep it and install the right free apps and you'll be all set.

She doesn't have to learn Linux, no one has to spend $$$ on a Mac, and she can still watch those stupid WMV video clips her friends send her links to.

Chances are your parents already have a Windows PC, just keep it and install the right free apps and you'll be all set.

I don't quite agree with your car analogy there. While it IS a good comparison, you're comparing the wrong things. You can literally see your car has 4 tires and 4 doors, just by looking at it. You know it has an automatic transmission because thats one of the vehicles interfaces. You know the engine is a V4 (you've GOT to be euro if your car has a V4 btw... ;)) from either opening the hood or remembering the specs when you bought it.
Most of those are inherently visual elements. In the same vein, any computer user can tell you that they have a keyboard and mouse, a monitor, and some speakers. Some might even know the size of the monitor or the brand of the kbd/mouse (probably by the logo on it ;)). Quite a few users could also probably tell you that they have a "Pentium something", hinting at a very vauge knowledge of the specs when they bought it.

The problem, then, is that they don't know all the insides of their mysterious black (or beige) box. How much RAM? What speed? What processor? Sound card? Video card? HD size? Most people couldn't tell you that. But then the question is, what can you tell me about your cars engine internals? What's the bore and stroke? Is it an alluminum or iron block? OVH, SOHC, or DOHC? High or low impedience injectors? Interference design or not? Whats the total oil capacity? Do you know? Probably not (I certainly couldn't tell you my cars bore/stroke off the top of my head). Should you still be allowed to operate a car? Of course!
So in the same way that vehicle owner/operators may not have the foggiest idea of what goes on inside a modern internal combustion engine, the staggering majority of computer owner/operators have no idea what exactly goes on inside their case. Intimate knowledge of your vehicle isn't a requirement to operate it, so why should it be any different on a computer? Cars have diagnostic systems and idiot lights, why shouldn't an OS? If people want ease of use, then thats what you'll have to give them. I know it won't happen overnight (hell, it took the motor vehicle industry HOW long to get to where it is today?), but it *HAS* to be an eventual goal of Linux if it ever hopes to rescue the proverbial OS princess.

Now incase you're wondering, I use Windows XP. (Unfortunatly). I don't really want to, but for me to play all my games and use all my art/graphic design programs, I pretty much have to. But beyond that, I know roughly how Windows works and how to work in and around it. I don't have to touch a CLI (had enough of that in the days of DOS). I don't have to memorize a million little acronyms and commands. I don't have to mount drives or hunt down obscure libraries. I'd just rather not spend half my computing time trying to maintain my system. Don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-Linux, i'm just pro-me. I can use Windows, and my parents and sister can use it. Its easy, even if its a shitty program. That said, I long ago ripped off the Firestones. Both mine and my parents box runs Mozilla Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird, AVG, AdAware, and KPF. So I feel fairly confident that neither system is at great risk. Yeah its a pain in the ass, and i'd rather not have to deal with securing two boxes, but its the price I pay for the compatibility and ease of use I want, and my that familly demands.

And when the day comes that Linux offers the same ease of use and compatibility in a better package? You best believe i'm jumping ship and taking every computer in this house with me.

I patiently await that day.

I don't quite agree with your car analogy there. While it IS a good comparison, you're comparing the wrong things. You can literally see your car has 4 tires and 4 doors, just by looking at it. You know it has an automatic transmission because thats one of the vehicles interfaces. You know the engine is a V4 (you've GOT to be euro if your car has a V4 btw... ;)) from either opening the hood or remembering the specs when you bought it.
Most of those are inherently visual elements. In the same vein, any computer user can tell you that they have a keyboard and mouse, a monitor, and some speakers. Some might even know the size of the monitor or the brand of the kbd/mouse (probably by the logo on it ;)). Quite a few users could also probably tell you that they have a "Pentium something", hinting at a very vauge knowledge of the specs when they bought it.

The problem, then, is that they don't know all the insides of their mysterious black (or beige) box. How much RAM? What speed? What processor? Sound card? Video card? HD size? Most people couldn't tell you that. But then the question is, what can you tell me about your cars engine internals? What's the bore and stroke? Is it an alluminum or iron block? OVH, SOHC, or DOHC? High or low impedience injectors? Interference design or not? Whats the total oil capacity? Do you know? Probably not (I certainly couldn't tell you my cars bore/stroke off the top of my head). Should you still be allowed to operate a car? Of course!
So in the same way that vehicle owner/operators may not have the foggiest idea of what goes on inside a modern internal combustion engine, the staggering majority of computer owner/operators have no idea what exactly goes on inside their case. Intimate knowledge of your vehicle isn't a requirement to operate it, so why should it be any different on a computer? Cars have diagnostic systems and idiot lights, why shouldn't an OS? If people want ease of use, then thats what you'll have to give them. I know it won't happen overnight (hell, it took the motor vehicle industry HOW long to get to where it is today?), but it *HAS* to be an eventual goal of Linux if it ever hopes to rescue the proverbial OS princess.

Now incase you're wondering, I use Windows XP. (Unfortunatly). I don't really want to, but for me to play all my games and use all my art/graphic design programs, I pretty much have to. But beyond that, I know roughly how Windows works and how to work in and around it. I don't have to touch a CLI (had enough of that in the days of DOS). I don't have to memorize a million little acronyms and commands. I don't have to mount drives or hunt down obscure libraries. I'd just rather not spend half my computing time trying to maintain my system. Don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-Linux, i'm just pro-me. I can use Windows, and my parents and sister can use it. Its easy, even if its a shitty program. That said, I long ago ripped off the Firestones. Both mine and my parents box runs Mozilla Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird, AVG, AdAware, and KPF. So I feel fairly confident that neither system is at great risk. Yeah its a pain in the ass, and i'd rather not have to deal with securing two boxes, but its the price I pay for the compatibility and ease of use I want, and my that familly demands.

And when the day comes that Linux offers the same ease of use and compatibility in a better package? You best believe i'm jumping ship and taking every computer in this house with me.

I patiently await that day.

Where would we be without MS innovations?

Where would we be without MS innovations?

While I'm happy the US courts were sane, Microsoft has already stopped all plugin support except for ActiveX crap. I'm sure it was because ActiveX is sooooooo secure, you can even write a virus scanner that runs in your browser, sheesh.
"Surfing the web with IE is like screwing without a condom" -somebody

ever tried mozilla??

has popup blocker, increased security, tabbed browsing built in and all that for free!

so if thats no reason to change, what else?

Half the battles we have been fighting lately at work involve IE and pop-ups that install crap without any notification.

Just a suggestion: install a browser other than IE, delete the desktop/start menu shortcuts to IE, and have everyone use the other browser. Mozilla Firefox is a good place to start.

Why not?
But, it could be just nice to add the RDF descriptor of the choosen licence in order to display it on my FireFox browser using mozCC extension.

"twice as good as View Source"

Using mozilla firefox with the adblock plugin, I have been almost completely spyware-free. If you use wildcards properly (like *.doubleclick.net/*) you can block all ads, cookies and scripts from adservers or directories. Once you have a sizeable list, you won't get anymore nasties invading your system, and pages will load much faster.

• Use Firefox. No need to worry about ActiveX spybars.
  
  
• Get AVG Anti-virus. Keeps out the trojans and viruses.
  
  
• Use Ad-aware. Say goodbye to malware.
  
  
• Above all else, use a personal firewall. You won't have to worry about programs calling home without your permission.

But wait there's more, Adblock also blocks flash and even puts a little tab around the flash frame so you can block them more easily. That way you won't even see the white "click to play" frame in place of the flash at all.

Now for an unlimited time only try them for 30 days risk-free and if you like them, just send 3 easy payments of nothing to nobody.

Hmm... I guess one of the bird tranformed into a fox recently

Hmm... I guess one of the bird tranformed into a fox recently

That's why I loved Netscape 4.7x so much - it had roaming profiles. Whatever happened to that concept?

That would be bug 124029. Feel free to vote for it (you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote). Also, you'll need to copy-n-paste the URLs to your address bar as Bugzilla doens't accept Slashdot referrers.

That's why I loved Netscape 4.7x so much - it had roaming profiles. Whatever happened to that concept?

That would be bug 124029. Feel free to vote for it (you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote). Also, you'll need to copy-n-paste the URLs to your address bar as Bugzilla doens't accept Slashdot referrers.

That's why I loved Netscape 4.7x so much - it had roaming profiles. Whatever happened to that concept?

That would be bug 124029. Feel free to vote for it (you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote). Also, you'll need to copy-n-paste the URLs to your address bar as Bugzilla doens't accept Slashdot referrers.

In fact, I still can't seem to switch between HTML and plaintext email composition without changing my overall composition preferences, which is buried at least four or five clicks away from the composition window.

That would be bug 140800 ("switch for plain text/html in compose window"). You'll need to copy-n-paste the URL as Bugzilla doesn't accept referrers from Slashdot.

Evolution is kind of quiet lately; I haven't seen new versions for some time. Besides, so far, it does not include some of the nifty features, like bayesian spam filtering, other email clients do.
There does not seem to be a roadmap for it, either. Maybe Thunderbird is in the future for me.

Is the Gecko Runtime Environment. This is everything you need for a base application for Mozilla. The appsuite already installs it (I'm not sure if it actually uses it rather than having its contents stored in the application directory), and hopefully, soon will the standalones.

You will still need to compile different binaries for every platform (unless bug 206358 is fixed AND your application is purely XUL and JavaScriot). But this isn't too big of a deal since that's the norm anyway.

Is the Gecko Runtime Environment. This is everything you need for a base application for Mozilla. The appsuite already installs it (I'm not sure if it actually uses it rather than having its contents stored in the application directory), and hopefully, soon will the standalones.

You will still need to compile different binaries for every platform (unless bug 206358 is fixed AND your application is purely XUL and JavaScriot). But this isn't too big of a deal since that's the norm anyway.

See bug 226602.

Fire indeed hot!

Then there's... ElectricalFire, predating their other FireFu projects.

I'm using Mozilla Firefox and it never stalls. Back when I used Mozilla 1.2 or whatever it was, it never stalled for me. Is it a new bug?

Been around since 0.9 versions which were the first ones I tested. It used to be really very bad (2 minutes checked from a watch to bring up mozilla) but firefox et al are a bit better about it. Funnily enough, "quick start" feature really made this problem come out.

(Darn, bad html)

I'm using Mozilla Firefox and it never stalls. Back when I used Mozilla 1.2 or whatever it was, it never stalled for me. Is it a new bug?

which were the first ones I tested. It used to be really very bad (2 minutes checked from a watch to bring up mozilla) but firefox et al are a bit better about it.

• Make ESC stop animated GIFs. Just fucking do it already! It's been, what, 5 years now? How long could it possibly take to fix that bug?
• When mousing over a link, with Javascript disabled, I should always, always, always be able to see the URL in the bottom of the window. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. I should never have to right-click on it, select "Copy Link Location", and paste it into a terminal window. (This is a Firefox regression, apparently. I haven't seen the URL displaying fail in Mozilla 1.4 or in Firebird.)
• I should be able to configure the behavior of mailto: links to run a mail agent of my choice. (E.g. rxvt -e mutt %s.) And I shouldn't have to learn 3 or 4 new Mozilla-developed programming languages to do so. It should be on a damned menu somewhere.
• I should be able to use an external text editor for writing very large comments in text boxes... you know, just like the one I'm typing in right now. Wouldn't it be divine if I could press something -- Alt-E, or whatever -- and have the text I'm writing get saved to a temp file, fire up rxvt -e vim %s on it, and then reload it from the temp file when the editor terminates? Oh well, at least it doesn't crash nearly as often as Netscape 4.x did when writing very large messages to web forums.

• Make ESC stop animated GIFs. Just fucking do it already! It's been, what, 5 years now? How long could it possibly take to fix that bug?
• When mousing over a link, with Javascript disabled, I should always, always, always be able to see the URL in the bottom of the window. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. I should never have to right-click on it, select "Copy Link Location", and paste it into a terminal window. (This is a Firefox regression, apparently. I haven't seen the URL displaying fail in Mozilla 1.4 or in Firebird.)
• I should be able to configure the behavior of mailto: links to run a mail agent of my choice. (E.g. rxvt -e mutt %s.) And I shouldn't have to learn 3 or 4 new Mozilla-developed programming languages to do so. It should be on a damned menu somewhere.
• I should be able to use an external text editor for writing very large comments in text boxes... you know, just like the one I'm typing in right now. Wouldn't it be divine if I could press something -- Alt-E, or whatever -- and have the text I'm writing get saved to a temp file, fire up rxvt -e vim %s on it, and then reload it from the temp file when the editor terminates? Oh well, at least it doesn't crash nearly as often as Netscape 4.x did when writing very large messages to web forums.

This is the installerless version, btw, so just uncompress it to /opt, and either symlink /opt/firefox/firefox in /usr/bin, or better yet, find a firefox launch script that works around the stupid profiles.

The future direction should be finally fixing this bug and many other important ones.

scrolling (keyboard or mouse wheel) does not work for elements such as div using overflow - auto or scroll

How comes it works perfectly with iframe but totally fails with CSS overflow property? It's not like it is a new bug!

Then again... forget it. Fixing bugs is something for sissies.. how about a <BOUNCY> tag? Or other useless stuff?

Hmm... did you download a nightly build instead of a more stable build? For me Mozilla was only seriously unstable during the milestone days. But I wouldn't know about what's wrong with Firefox because I use Mozilla Suite on a Win2k desktop (works like a charm). I'd suggest MozillaZine for help. Mozilla bugs in general are classified at Mozilla's Bugzilla site. Both Mozilla suite and K-Meleon are great, although each browser does have their own personalities.

Agreed that any component object model (COM) is heavy and it does have its own problems. But the fact that Mozilla is built on a cross platform com is a huge advantage. If anyone wants to use these apis then they can do it without worrying about platform specifics. Even though currently xpcom is not very feature rich, it is a respected library. With everything else in the browser (or platform) running on xpcom, why do they specifically want to reduce the com support for SVG ?

Agreed that any component object model (COM) is heavy and it does have its own problems. But the fact that Mozilla is built on a cross platform com is a huge advantage. If anyone wants to use these apis then they can do it without worrying about platform specifics. Even though currently xpcom is not very feature rich, it is a respected library. With everything else in the browser (or platform) running on xpcom, why do they specifically want to reduce the com support for SVG ?