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MCC stated: That to prevent confusion with the popular web-standard technology CSS, the CSS BIOS technology will before release be renamed to "Firebird", a name chosen after an exhaustive search based on the fact that it kind of describes "Phoenix" and hey, it's like the car.

I think Mozilla/Firebird's "Type ahead" feature was a first. It's quite useful for browsing with the keyboard only. That, and the Smart Keywords feature are things that they did first, at least as far as browser interfaces go. You can check the full list of features here

A few more questions:
As I understand it, I have to use a new browser in order to use these URLs, right? Because mozilla says it already supports it. So I guess a hyperlinks can be in both forms: The encoded or the decoded version, right? Does this mean:

• Unless I upgrade my mail client, I cannot send emails to these new domains?
• A hyperlink can be encoded in two ways, and unless it's encoded in the long form, any not-yet-upgraded browser won't be able to follow links?
• Since browsers need to be upgraded, doesn't this mean that many other apps need to be upgraded as well, like IM-clients, web-grabbers, filesharing apps and search-engine spiders?

I'm delighted to tell that Mozilla is one step forward again, and already supports IDN since version 0.9.5 http://www.mozilla.org/projects/intl/idn_mozilla.h tml

ATMs run bloated operating systems for the same reasons that certain web browsers can read email. Because it's possible. ;)

At some point someone thought it would be really cool to have ATMs with 10" color screens and speakers, so it can show commercials while you wait for your mugger.

They also seem to be moving away from the keypad. I had the unfortunate experience of using a touch-screen ATM the other day. The touchscreen was horribly calibrated (probably due to the thickness of the glass, and it was probably calibrated by someone kneeling in front of it, instead of standing up). I had to poke aroud each button for a while, then eventually gave up and used the keypad below when i could).

Its probably also driven by companies like Diebold who want to keep selling the latest and greatest machines to the banks. And since usability and security are not driving new sales, they boxes have to look "cooler" to sell.

*insert obligitory "it isn't called that anymore" comment here*

I've found the easiest way to implement SpamAssassin is to invoke it through MailScanner. MailScanner uses third-party virus scanners and can optionally invoke SpamAssassin as well. With the free ClamAV antivirus product, you can build a powerful open source mail scanner. Even without a virus scanner, MailScanner detects and quarantines executable attachments and other dangerous content which represent the most common types of mail-borne viruses and worms.

RedHat installs the daemonized version of SA as well as the SA Perl scripts. Using the daemon, the easiest implementation is to invoke SA in /etc/procmailrc on the mail delivery host; for mail gateways running sendmail, you need to use the milter interface. I've found the MailScanner+SpamAssassin approach much easier to configure than either of these methods, and you get virus scanning to boot!

I suspect if the reviewer had compared SA 2.60+ to the commercial products, rather than the older 2.44 version used in the review, SA would have shown better results.

I'd agree with the reviewer that one of the things SA lacks is an easy method for users to interact directly with the program. (Part of the issue has to do with security; SA runs as root. As I read the review, I wondered how the other products allow users to interact directly with the scanners without sacrificing security.) It's not easy to maintain per-user Bayesian filtering, for instance, but I generally recommend having the mail client, e.g., Mozilla, handle these tasks.

The next thing the Israeli govement thinking about is to adopt Mozilla instead of Internet Explorer for use with internal web applications and messaging. In the Hebrew press we got few messages about it in the past week, but I can't approve yet how much seriously they are.

The problem is that the Hebrew localization project for Mozilla still missing few features, because of [mostly] UI bugs in the browser.

Most of the major bugs in Mozilla for Hebrew users can be found in this list (Tsahi is the person who did most of the l10n progress). Any help would be welcome!

Hopefully, one day, we will get our whole goverment to use Linux on each desktop...

While Mozilla is a great piece of work technically, the management can't be described anything other than moronic.

I am a supporter of free software and I also have several webpages.

• I'd love to use SVG to display 90 rotated text, I'd also love to tell people that if they use Mozilla, the SVG-version will download a lot faster than the image-based alternative. But I can't, because if it isn't in the default distribution, it is worthless, even if I can get somebody to download the "special build" it will break after every update.
• I'd love to recommend Firebird to users. But I can't because no matter how stable it is, a pre 1.0 version is not recommendable.
• Another example of stupidity is the removal of MNG. Originally somebody "decided" that the bashers are right and MNG had to be removed to "reduce bloat and download size". It's only a few hundred kilobytes, so this seems strange. Even after the MNG supporters showed that by replacing the animated GIF which shows Mozilla's animation in the top right corner by an MNG variant would save more space than it would cost to support MNG they didn't listen. Even after several coders significantly reduced the size of MNG support, they wouldn't listen. By now it has escalated to a matter of pride and it seems that Mozilla drivers don't want to back down even if it means holding on to the most moronic arguments possible. Voting for this bug won't change much, it's already the most voted bug and no Mozilla maintainer seems to care.

That's why I have given up any hopes of Mozilla spearheading new technology. To do that you have to have some minimum of self-confidence which the Mozilla project lacks.

That's why Apple chose KHTML and not Gecko.

KDE 3.2 will come out in about a month and Konqueror will come with SVG support out of the box. IE will have something similar later. The sad fact is that Mozilla's minority complex is so big that they simply won't incorporate anything that isn't in other browsers in a usable form, so Mozilla users will have to wait for Konqueror to hope for a useful SVG-implementation in default-Mozilla.

There are so many things right in front of the noses of Mozilla maintainers that would make Mozilla a better browser and would introduce killer-features, that no other browsers support, yet they prefer to let those technologies rot unused and wait for other browsers to support it.

Well, at least it's a start to head off MS dominance. If SVG does become popular, I'm sure more resources will be devoted to this project.

...so I feel obligated to link to the Mozilla SVG Project.

Please check these sites out immediately for more information. This field is GROWING CONSIDERABLY. If you WANT A JOB, study this stuff very closely!

- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/
- http://www.adobe.com/svg/main.html
- http://xml.apache.org/batik/
- http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/
- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/

No no no! Surveys target power users. Think about it: surveys about mozilla would probably show up at mozillazine, or maybe even mozilla.org; an average users' home page could be Google News or Mozilla's default home page, not a site which surveys everyday end users. You hire experts who know what to test, and how to use documented methods to achieve empirically sounds results.

From a developer's perspective, this makes open source software great: there are great products made by developers, for developers -- products like Mozilla's DOM inspector or Venkman (its javascript debugger) come to mind. It's also why open source software either dominates a niche market (e.g., Apache, Linux, MySQL, PHP, and perl come to mind) or has a small, devoted user base (e.g., Mozilla, OpenOfffice, etc.).

It's really hard to get both without a significant investment in both human factors work and marketing.

I'm not a developer, but I personally believe it's because the KDE folks reinvented the whell with khtml. Gnome still waits for the GRE to mature. Am I wrong here?

cu,
Lispy

For a programmer he doesn't seem to be very smart about computing.

• Something like Lavasoft's Ad-Aware would have removed any advertising/hijacking software he might have downloaded and installed by accident.
• As for pop-ups, certainly any of the pop-up blocking Mozilla based browsers would have done the trick. Also KHTML based browsers like Safari and Konqueror. A veritable cornucopia of choices!
• Finally, as the email seemed to originate from the same company, same product, I think even the simplest filter would have been able to recognize this as spam.

"a barrage of pop-up advertising and e-mail."
Now what kinda 'computer programmer' hasn't heard of mozilla and procmail with spam blocking?

First of all note that OmniWeb is not affected by this bug. Outside of a lack of tabs, it's a very good Web Browser that should satisfy you until Apple patches this bug. Of course, I'm sure the Slashdot readership is aware of other options as well.

As for the discussion as to whether this is a bug in KHTML in general, it is not. The bug is in the way browsers parse the hostname out of a URL differently for cookies and the connection itself. So in Safari the url:

http://www.EvilSite.com%00.amazon.com/

will connect to www.EvilSite.com, but be considered in the domain of .amazon.com for the purpose of cookie security. This seems to be a bug in the code around KHTML, not KHTML itself, since vulnerable OmniWeb uses the same WebCore framework that is used by Safari without being vulnerable.

While you're waiting for Apple to patch this why not check out Mozilla Firebird 0.7 for OS X.

It is a great, feature rich browser. Of course you could also check out Mozilla 1.5, Camino, Netscape, iCab, Omni Web, Opera, or even IE 5 or MSN for the Mac

All of these can be downloaded from their respective sites, or from the Internet Utilities section of Apple's Mac OS X Downloads page.

While you're waiting for Apple to patch this why not check out Mozilla Firebird 0.7 for OS X.

It is a great, feature rich browser. Of course you could also check out Mozilla 1.5, Camino, Netscape, iCab, Omni Web, Opera, or even IE 5 or MSN for the Mac

All of these can be downloaded from their respective sites, or from the Internet Utilities section of Apple's Mac OS X Downloads page.

While you're waiting for Apple to patch this why not check out Mozilla Firebird 0.7 for OS X.

It is a great, feature rich browser. Of course you could also check out Mozilla 1.5, Camino, Netscape, iCab, Omni Web, Opera, or even IE 5 or MSN for the Mac

All of these can be downloaded from their respective sites, or from the Internet Utilities section of Apple's Mac OS X Downloads page.

While you're waiting for Apple to patch this why not check out Mozilla Firebird 0.7 for OS X.

It is a great, feature rich browser. Of course you could also check out Mozilla 1.5, Camino, Netscape, iCab, Omni Web, Opera, or even IE 5 or MSN for the Mac

All of these can be downloaded from their respective sites, or from the Internet Utilities section of Apple's Mac OS X Downloads page.

take a look at Mozilla Calendar

The Mozilla Relicensing FAQ says:
''Why didn't you completely eliminate use of the NPL?
Because we don't yet have all the necessary permissions from AOL Time Warner that we would need in order to do so.''
Didn't AOL transfer all Mozilla copyrights from Netscape to the Mozilla Foundation? If yes, then the Mozilla Foundation should finally get rid of the NPL.

The Mozilla Relicensing FAQ says:
''Why didn't you completely eliminate use of the NPL?
Because we don't yet have all the necessary permissions from AOL Time Warner that we would need in order to do so.''
Didn't AOL transfer all Mozilla copyrights from Netscape to the Mozilla Foundation? If yes, then the Mozilla Foundation should finally get rid of the NPL.

The Mozilla Relicensing FAQ says:
''Why didn't you completely eliminate use of the NPL?
Because we don't yet have all the necessary permissions from AOL Time Warner that we would need in order to do so.''
Didn't AOL transfer all Mozilla copyrights from Netscape to the Mozilla Foundation? If yes, then the Mozilla Foundation should finally get rid of the NPL.

totally agree!

i've been running mozilla on linux and (sigh...) winblows since version 0.6 or so. initially it was painful but even the earliest versions were compelling enough - cookie filters anyone? - to keep at it. now i've boobytrapped my website to send ie idiots (90% of my visitors - as can be easily determined by ie's failure to load one of my stylesheets) to mozilla.org for a real browser...

Anyway, that's speculation, the foundation is formed so whatever happens Mozilla is now totally independent of AOL which is a good thing, but I'd like to see them still use Mozilla products.

sPh

Pop-unders? Pop-ups? The web still has those? How soon one forgets how unfriendly the web can be after using mozilla for a while.

A lifesaver!

cLive ;-)

"Go to Edit->Fill In Form in Mozilla and watch what happens."

Anyone concerned about their privacy would do well to visit the usefully named "privacy and security" preferences on their browser.

• Cookies: enable, disable, per-site, prompt, auto, originating site only, disable in email, limit lifetime...
• Images: enable, disable, originating site only. Animation on/off
• Popups: enable, disable, per-site
• Forms: enable, disable, per-site
• Passwords: enable, disable, per-site

To see what information has been stored, see the Tools->Form manager->Edit sites menu, where you can review the information, and delete it selectively or completely.

Similarly, Tools->Password manager->Manage stored passwords can be used to see any passwords stored, and selectively or completely delete them.

Of course, Tools->Cookie manager works in a similar way, as does Tools->Image manager, and Tools->Popup manager.

Naturally, you can set each of these features on a per-site basis, or disable each feature completely.

On an unrelated note, anyone setting up Mozilla to their liking will be find some other preferences useful, which are not on the menus

Perhaps you could do this every 4 core releases? Say, Fedora Core 4 would serve as RH10, Fedora Core 8 RHL 10.1, and so on.

This would allow you to still use Fedora as a "preview" of what RHEL offers while not dedicating too many resources away from your main goal.

(see the [outdated] mozilla.org roadmap if you want an idea of what i'm talking about: http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html

(Editors: this is all one big question, with just a lot of explanatory stuff. Feel free to condense it as needed :) )

Obviously they didn't ask anyone who has switched from Internet Explorer to Mozilla.

* Tabbed Browsing
* Popup Blocking
* Free Ad-blocking plugin
* Email/Newsgroups included
* IRC included
* Free Calendar and Task List Addon available
* Available not only on Windows, but also on Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OSX, Solaris, BeOS, OS/2, and probably more

Mozilla is vastly superior to IE no matter how you compare it.

And that is only one example of how free software can kick MS's ass.

Obviously they didn't ask anyone who has switched from Internet Explorer to Mozilla.

* Tabbed Browsing
* Popup Blocking
* Free Ad-blocking plugin
* Email/Newsgroups included
* IRC included
* Free Calendar and Task List Addon available
* Available not only on Windows, but also on Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OSX, Solaris, BeOS, OS/2, and probably more

Mozilla is vastly superior to IE no matter how you compare it.

And that is only one example of how free software can kick MS's ass.

Jeez, quit your whining!

Oh, and if you want to see how well IE renders W3C compliant sites, try opening This or this in both IE and Mozilla. IE is the most uncompliant piece of crap browser out there when it comes to CSS and DHTML. ...and quit your whining!

Hmmm, technophobes won't use the command line no matter what. Many novices do not have geek friends to show them how to use the command line. So apt-get and emerge are out of the question for mainstream acceptance.

kpackage works fine most of the time but if you get into trouble, then you will definitely need to go to the command line.

I attempted to use kpackage to install the stable version of mono on debian. It failed and mozilla was thoroughly hosed after that. I had to use dpkg to fix it. It was easier than hacking the registry but harder than shopping on Amazon.

2 options:
1) download mozilla, whenever you see an annoying ad, right-click and select "block images from this server.
2) buy a subscription from /.

> Just having toggles to enable/disable javascript and java near the address bar would be excellent. Same with disabling plugins like flash. Just so you don't have to go through menus and preference boxes to do it every time...

Mozilla + PrefBar = just that.

Maybe they can finally support PNG images properly... they've only been an Internet standard for seven years.

Throw in built-in SVG support, too, so we can actually start using them (Internet standard for two years now). Maybe then Mozilla/Firebird, etc. will sort our their library licensing issues and support SVG out of the box, too.

Maybe they can finally support PNG images properly... they've only been an Internet standard for seven years.

Throw in built-in SVG support, too, so we can actually start using them (Internet standard for two years now). Maybe then Mozilla/Firebird, etc. will sort our their library licensing issues and support SVG out of the box, too.

Too few articles mention all three and articles mostly fall into one of two categories: Usually the articles praise Mozilla and Opera for features, usability, flexibility, support of standards, stability, security and multi-plaform support. Or they go on about the problems specific to MSIE, while implying that MSIE is the alpha and omega of web browsers, and finish by giving the bad advice to sit still and obediently wait to buy the next upgrade, service pack, bug fix for MSIE. At the same time, users and administrators tied to MSIE are prevented from learning unresolved problems. There are also further costs if company data, such as customer lists, are compromised as a result.

Clearly censorship is not the optimal long term nor even short term solution. IT staff can save time and money now by migrating their users to Mozilla and Opera.

Anybody notice that this will only be offered with SP2 for XP?

Looks like a not very subtle shove toward XP on Microsoft's part. "Upgrade to XP, and get pop-up blocking!" Or keep your current OS and use Mozilla.

On a related note, I thought I heard that Office 2003 only runs on 2000 and XP. I see a trend here. Soon the only software Microsoft will offer will be Windows XP and Office.

Keep the movement going, increase those Mozilla usage numbers. Give Mozilla Firebird or plain ol' Mozilla Seamonkey to everyone you know, get 'em converted! Need help finding reasons to convince them? We've got em!

Keep the movement going, increase those Mozilla usage numbers. Give Mozilla Firebird or plain ol' Mozilla Seamonkey to everyone you know, get 'em converted! Need help finding reasons to convince them? We've got em!

Keep the movement going, increase those Mozilla usage numbers. Give Mozilla Firebird or plain ol' Mozilla Seamonkey to everyone you know, get 'em converted! Need help finding reasons to convince them? We've got em!

IMO, IBM are doing the right thing in many areas, but their patent policy (apply and apply for anything) seems to be out of control.

I've been quite pleasantly surprised by it.

Incorporate {Scalable Vector Graphics} into {w3c standards compliant open source web rendering engine} and add {Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language} with support for mp3 and/or {Audio compression and streaming that isn't patent encumbered}.

what a slow-loading pop-up-ridden unnavigable piece of junk

What's a pop-up?

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