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High res images
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Re:Terraforming MarsSorry to be nitpicky, but:
Moon is only about 1/81 the mass of earth (it's surface gravitational force is one sixth of Earth's) and
Mars has (rather stable) seasons (see e.g. Season on Mars )
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Re:That's not important
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Re:Look at art!
Oh, great! Now we now that there is intelligent life on both Mars and the Sun! Soon they will probably even find intelligent life on earth!
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From the article..
There are no MCSEs on Mars to reboot computers that crash.
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Compare To Photos of Martian South Pole Reveals..
What's really interesting is to compare the neutron maps with photo maps of the Martian ice cap on the south pole here. You've got to be careful about the scale and orientation of these two images, since they are totally different (90 degrees is at three-o-clock on the neutron map, nine-o-clock on the photo map) but what's really facinating is that the visible ice pack is not circular-symmetrical around the pole and the neutron data IS.
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My take on the subject
The way I see it, some parts of Mars are a *lot* hotter *now* than where I live gets during summer (they're consistenly up at ~20 ***centigrade***!) and *I've* got liquid water
:)
Seriously, it's not like it's too cold for water all over the planet, and from looking at the hubble pics I'm pretty convinced those clouds have got liquid in them. More stuff for your perusal though...
Big image, sorry... Look at the bottom though - this is by *far* the most convincing pic of a lake I've found yet.
More lakes, this time cropped appropriately :) (original nasa image is here
Oh look, a waterfall... I suppose that's not really liquid either :) (taken from same nasa image as above)
I had a link to the tech specs for the ships they were putting up too and I'm pissed that I've lost it because it had some pretty incriminating stuff on it (the colour cameras they've got up there just now don't 'do' blue IIRC) - I'm convinced there's liquid water up there right now and they're holding back on telling us...
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Re:Hi-resolution images of the fissure.
For some reason, this picture really turns me on!
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Hi-resolution images of the fissure.Here are a few images of the fissure courtesy of the Mars Global Surveyor:
here here here and hereNo signs of life there, some say that these ones show life: "Banyan Trees", "Hot Spring??", "Leopard spots"
Personally, at this resolution, they could be anything, but they are still fun to look at.
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Hi-resolution images of the fissure.Here are a few images of the fissure courtesy of the Mars Global Surveyor:
here here here and hereNo signs of life there, some say that these ones show life: "Banyan Trees", "Hot Spring??", "Leopard spots"
Personally, at this resolution, they could be anything, but they are still fun to look at.
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Hi-resolution images of the fissure.Here are a few images of the fissure courtesy of the Mars Global Surveyor:
here here here and hereNo signs of life there, some say that these ones show life: "Banyan Trees", "Hot Spring??", "Leopard spots"
Personally, at this resolution, they could be anything, but they are still fun to look at.
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Hi-resolution images of the fissure.Here are a few images of the fissure courtesy of the Mars Global Surveyor:
here here here and hereNo signs of life there, some say that these ones show life: "Banyan Trees", "Hot Spring??", "Leopard spots"
Personally, at this resolution, they could be anything, but they are still fun to look at.
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Hi-resolution images of the fissure.Here are a few images of the fissure courtesy of the Mars Global Surveyor:
here here here and hereNo signs of life there, some say that these ones show life: "Banyan Trees", "Hot Spring??", "Leopard spots"
Personally, at this resolution, they could be anything, but they are still fun to look at.
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Hi-resolution images of the fissure.Here are a few images of the fissure courtesy of the Mars Global Surveyor:
here here here and hereNo signs of life there, some say that these ones show life: "Banyan Trees", "Hot Spring??", "Leopard spots"
Personally, at this resolution, they could be anything, but they are still fun to look at.
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Hi-resolution images of the fissure.Here are a few images of the fissure courtesy of the Mars Global Surveyor:
here here here and hereNo signs of life there, some say that these ones show life: "Banyan Trees", "Hot Spring??", "Leopard spots"
Personally, at this resolution, they could be anything, but they are still fun to look at.
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Cool Animations of the Melting Ice Caps
Here are some "cool" animations where you can see the ice caps melting. Also, here's a JPL press release which is a little more level headed than the news coverage.
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Re:Are we alone?here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/extended_may2
0 01/face/I can't believe I did that..
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wrong.
This is flat-out wrong. NASA specifically made a big deal about publicizing the images taken of the "face" by Mars Global Surveyor. You can see one of the many NASA pages that compares the 1976 Viking image with the MGS image here. MGS images of the other supposed "artifacts" are linked from that page.
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Life on Mars is probably carbon basedLife on Mars is probably carbon based for two reasons:
We believe that Mars might hold life because Mars is relatively similar to Earth. Correct me if I am guessing wrong, but silicon based life forms would live on a planet with higher temperatures.
The second reason is the panspermia theory. Small molecules and pre-bacteria, not very much lifelike, are enough to push the chemistry between planets onto a certain path of evolution.
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Life on Mars is probably carbon basedLife on Mars is probably carbon based for two reasons:
We believe that Mars might hold life because Mars is relatively similar to Earth. Correct me if I am guessing wrong, but silicon based life forms would live on a planet with higher temperatures.
The second reason is the panspermia theory. Small molecules and pre-bacteria, not very much lifelike, are enough to push the chemistry between planets onto a certain path of evolution.
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Warning. Public hair inside ..Look at this image from mars: Image from mars that I found while working at clickworkers.
And before you mark this as a g**t.cx link, look at the big picture : The big image.
*p*
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Warning. Public hair inside ..Look at this image from mars: Image from mars that I found while working at clickworkers.
And before you mark this as a g**t.cx link, look at the big picture : The big image.
*p*
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Tubes or sand dunes?Check out this picture. It shows how the so-called tubes start as what looks like sand dunes and are transformed into the tubes when the sand is blown into thin strips. What is really fascinating to me is the face animation. Since the MGS took the photo of the face at such a low angle, this animation seems to show what the face would look like if it were shot overhead. If the math/physics are correct, then this view is quite extraordinary and seems to clearly show artificiality.
Shon
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"tubes" = dunes?
Came across this while randomly looking at the MSSS gallery -- view the "full size image".
Notice some parts look like the "tubes" that people show from mars photos, but when you see them merging into large dune areas they appear to be just sand dunes? -
tubes
Here's an example of the tubes -- look at the high res version, lower left corner.
One thing to note when we look at stuff that's come back from mars is that the most of the planet has not been viewed with the narrow angle camera at all -- for example, go here, select a region, then look at the clickable map -- the little light blue tracks are the places where the narrow angle views are available. -
tubes
Here's an example of the tubes -- look at the high res version, lower left corner.
One thing to note when we look at stuff that's come back from mars is that the most of the planet has not been viewed with the narrow angle camera at all -- for example, go here, select a region, then look at the clickable map -- the little light blue tracks are the places where the narrow angle views are available. -
Another site devoted to this type of thing
Is Richard Hoagland's http://www.enterprisemission.com. One page with a few pictures of these Mars structures is http://www.enterprisemission.com/sequel.htm and others are at Glass Tubes, and Cydonia Triangle. Another site with tons of Mars surface feature images is http://barsoom.msss.com/moc_gallery/index.html.
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What is NASA really looking for on Mars?
If NASA was really looking for life or past life on Mars, they would have better and more pictures of the Cydonia region. The shots taken of the face are often at low resolution and bad angles. The rest of the region needs more photographing. It isn't like the rest of Mars is more interesting.
This official web page shows the left side of the face with an eye in the socket:
Official SiteThis unofficial web page shows a study of the latest picture:
Unofficial siteTrying to say that past civilizations in the solar system have to be bunk and need not be studied misses the point of exploration in the first place.
- James - [IMAGE]
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A Cure for Repeatedly Botched Mars ScienceThe finding of biological magnetite on Mars highlights the profoundly frustrating goings on with Mars science to date, starting with the cessation of all Mars probes for over 15 years that began in the 1970s followed by the failures of Phobos I, Phobos II, the Mars observer and Mars 96. Then there is the ridiculous way NASA handled the Cydonia face business and the fact that NASA has now reimaged only the portion of the face already, repeatedly, imaged.
Over a decade ago I proposed the National Science Trust that would be a trust fund that paid out only for information delivered, from whatever source and by whatever lawful means. In other words, new information flowing in causes new cash to flow out.
I'm no longer one to advocate political action about anything, but The National Science Trust idea can easily be adapted to private philanthropy as well.
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Re:Hmmm, I know what would be cool
I'm pretty sure Malin Space Science Systems, the ones who put the camera on Mars Global Surveyor, already examine each picture and write a short description of it. I say this, having downloaded hundreds of narrow-angle camera images of the Iapygia region (270W-300W, 30S-0N. quadrangle MC-21) and seeing comments on a lot of their pages. So odds are you're not the first person to examine that spot, and I guarantee you're not if it's in the Iapygia region.
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Hmmm....
....doesn't really look that much like a skull to me, I could look at clouds for an hour or so and find a cloud that looked more like a skull than this cluster.
There was a similarly unconvincing story a while back relating to what looks like a face on the surface of Mars
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Where is the face?I can seem to finger it. I don't think there really is a face on Mars. Can anyone point me to it? Mars surface
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3-D
They even have 3-D images... look. It makes me wish i had a pair of those red/blue glasses to see what it looks like (as if i can't guess). Don't get too excited now... you aren't really there... it's just an optical illusion.
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Thanks for avoiding a slashdotting
Thanks, Michael, for not posting this on the main page. Otherwise, all the pretty pictures would be slashdotted.
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context map
context map of what
/might/ be the general area.
Camaron de la Isla 'When I sing with pleasure, my -
akThe picture used to illustrate this is unlikely to be what this rumour is about. It's a southern hemisphere crater; the BBC story is talking about the bottom of Valles Marineris.
As the Mars Global Surveyor's raw dataset is up on the web the assembled
/. hordes should be able to identify something, perhaps. http://barsoom.msss.com/moc_gallery/watables/mc18- M04-wa.html is a list of images from the general region.Enjoy !
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Um, Jamie? Mars *does* have water...Mars actually does have water ice clouds over its volcanos. So there *is* "water in Mars' atmosphere", Jamie. See this picture of Arsia Mons and this one of Olympus Mons. Also this picture of the Tharsis region. These are all from Mars Global Surveyor.
Of course, none of this water is likely vapor or liquid -- it's all solid water ice.
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Um, Jamie? Mars *does* have water...Mars actually does have water ice clouds over its volcanos. So there *is* "water in Mars' atmosphere", Jamie. See this picture of Arsia Mons and this one of Olympus Mons. Also this picture of the Tharsis region. These are all from Mars Global Surveyor.
Of course, none of this water is likely vapor or liquid -- it's all solid water ice.
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No Freakin' Pyramids!! was:Enter the Flame(all of a sudden, it feels like sci.space.policy, not
/.)
Hows this for a theory?!
Mind you this theory is not based on any scientific investigation... There are the pyramids on Mars and there are the same pyramids on Earth.
Not quite. The entire "face on Mars" thing is a product of Richard Hoagland's marketting skills, not scientific research. I would love it if there were artificial structures on Mars (no excuse for not flying a mission if there were), but the "Face" and the "Pyramids" and "City" are just hills.
What's the possibility that they are related?
None? The pyramids and ziggurats on Earth were made by people. The "Pyramids" on Mars were made by water, lava and later a very lo-res imager.
High.... If this is the case then it may be possible that people from Mars colonised the Earth. It's not impossible... We're trying to colonise the Moon...
It's actually quite likely that Mars and Earth have traded organisms (if there is bacteria there), but it's highly unlikely that humanity is originally from Mars, in the sense of having migrated to Earth as humans. Best evidence: fossil record has clear line through time that leads to us.
As for colonising the moon, I wish! I'd have already put a down payment on a crater if we were. Colonisation isn't going to happen until two conditions are met:
- Launch costs drop radically (yeah Roton!)
- It becomes profitably in some way.
It would open profound thoughts, if they were real. Much better to focus on what we know is there, here are two very informative links that you should check out:
Mars Global Surveyor Home
Malin Space Systems
Malin is the company that has built a number of cameras for Mars missions, and the other link is a probe that is currently mapping the entire surface of Mars, including the Cydonia region.