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Even if you use an ide like Forte, it would probably be a good idea and head to the Ant page and see what is all about.

I do use an IDE like Forte and in fact it has *great* Ant integration and you can even install the Ant documentation so it's available from within the IDE.

As a matter of fact, all the IDEs I've tried recently for Java do in fact make efforts to integrate Ant. (Eclipse, IntelliJ, even ... JDeveloper)

How about some of the java IDEs that are out there, NetBeans, Forte, some of borlands offerings perhaps? They are also pretty damn hot not to mention that they are all crossplatform compatible and NetBeans is free. Beat that with your dotNet.

How about some of the java IDEs that are out there, NetBeans, Forte, some of borlands offerings perhaps? They are also pretty damn hot not to mention that they are all crossplatform compatible and NetBeans is free. Beat that with your dotNet.

I use NetBeans and it works great. They claim OS X is ready to run it on their site.

Sorry, I'm an idiot. Link should be netbeans without the other stuff. Cheers.

Sun has developed Forte for Java which is based on netbeans. It now goes by Sun One Studio. Anyway, it is a nice IDE and users at my company are generally split 50/50 between that and JBuilder. They have a free Community version as well as some commercial versions.

try a look at NetBeans. Opensource'd under the Sun Public License, cross platform IDE that's written in Java and works quite well. Works for 1.3 or better.

From my viewpoint, these links have served me well for both C++ and Java.
Java's Home
SourceForge - cannot live without
Apache - there is no other
JGuru
IBM DeveloperWorks
Eclipse OR NetBeans
Google is the main site I use
Cetus Links

NetBeans is a Java-based IDE that is very extensible. It requires more of a beefy development system than Eclipse (sluggish with a K6-500/128Mb), but it's been around longer. The IDE is set up for Java development, but can be easily extended. It has a C plugin right now.

Well I just played with Eclipse and I must say, as an IDE goes, it is not very impressive. Seems to be build more for the Windows Developer than anyone else. And while that may be the "norm" of the script kiddies out there, I would rather see an editor more designed for the serious developer.

Must also say that SWT looks HORRIBLE. I would rather put up with a slight lag in the gui than put up with something that is going to ruin my vision!

Swing is only slow when the developer can't code. If you are using an IDE to build your gui for you it is going to be slow. Learn the language, write you gui by hand and learn how to make it perform. I write Swing GUIs on a daily basis that are quite fast. Would I say they perform as fast as native? Depends on the platform. Linux? yes, OSX? yes, Windows? hell no. Is that the language's fault? probably not.

What I am saying here is dont fault the API when you are running windows. My bet is on the problem being in the OS.

If you want to see a real gui, written in Swing, that runs quite nicely on every platform try out Netbeans I think you will be quite surprised and pleased. I know I was.

Of course if you want to do some serious coding then you need to learn VIM, there is a true editor. Definitely not for the script kiddies.

Netbeans has an XML module (soon w/XLST transformations) that includes a pretty nice editor; in my experience, it's almost as far as XML Spy (tho' admittedly my experience with both is limited).

Just make sure you have the RAM; validating a document under 256MB w/ JDK 1.3.1 kills my system, and I'm not sure why.

You can download the Java SDK for free. You can also use NetBeans which is a nice, open-source IDE.

I would have to agree. I have been running a PII 333 288 MB of ram Asus F7400 laptop. XP seems faster than my old Win 98SE OS. I did turn off all the fancy eye candy and I am only running at 16 bit color, but it crusises. I use netbeans java ide and it starts and runs very fast, compared to 98. And the stability for a M$ product is pretty good. I have crashed it once and was due to driver updates. No problem just did an easy rollback and things work great! peace, abombss

Checkout NetBeans. It's an IDE that has a lot of good features and it is developed under an open source license (SPL). It works under both Windows and Linux. I have used for about a month and the only thing that I personally think is missing is good support for projects. It includes Tomcat so you can run your JSP/servlets directly from the IDE.

IBM's Software Donation: Move To Eclipse NetBeans?
NetBeans IDE 3.3 released
IBM to open source WebSphere tools
threads on Eclipse
threads on NetBeans
threads on IDEA

Eclipse is a product of Object Technology International Inc., which also produced VisualAge for Java.

And as the article "Refactoring with Eclipse" mentioned, "...Erich Gamma is the team lead for Java tools for Eclipse. Gamma was one of the Gang of Four known for creating the book Design Patterns...". I think that Eclipse will be a high quality software.

IBM's Software Donation: Move To Eclipse NetBeans?



NetBeans IDE 3.3 released



IBM to open source WebSphere tools



threads on Eclipse



threads on NetBeans



threads on IDEA

Eclipse is a product of
Object Technology International Inc.,
which also produced VisualAge for Java.

And as the article "Refactoring with Eclipse" mentioned,
"...Erich Gamma is the team lead for Java tools for Eclipse. Gamma was one of the Gang of Four known for creating the book Design Patterns...".
I think that Eclipse will be a high quality software.

Go here to see the same things said of NetBeans

Bah! netbeans

I don't know that I would call this the first, though it may seem that way from the web-site. The Java Development Tools plug-in has been available for a while, as has the Jikes RVM plug-in.

Eclipse, for Java development, is definitely at a usable stage (both 1.0 and the 2.0 integration builds.) Very nice editing, refactoring, and VCS features (to name a few.)

I'm not sure why one would think that an open source development tools platform would constitute an attempt to block SUN. If you mean NetBeans, then, insofar as competition equals "blocking", I suppose you could say that.

first off, it works really well for development. you can run any of the all java IDEs like netbeans or forte from sun or even borland's jbuilder
i've been using jbuilder4 for a while. i had a bit of a hack getting the linux version to install, but once i did, its all straight up java 2 code, so it ran fine. (i prefer jbuilder4 since its got the ability to load in the vi editor tool from sourceforge - jvi.sourceforge.net i've got tomcat 3.2.1 and 4.0 running fine on my pb, and it all works like a champ.

i've found that the java integration into osX is outstanding. apple has made it one of the languages to code full on applications for osX with. i've got a coworker who does use the apple IDE projectBuilder to do his java development, so i know its possible. i just havent done it. i use jbuilder on NT at work, so i wanted to keep the same project files.

My small ebusiness team at a large manufacturer use netbeans. It is the basis for Sun's Forte for Java. Netbeans is opensource, and is undergoing rapid development. It is free for download.

Implemented in Java, it should work anywhere you can install a Java2 JVM. There are prebuilt binaries for Linux and Windows, but you can always get the source and build it yourself. The current release is 3.2.1, but 3.3BETA3 is out. It might not do everything you want right now, but it is improving rapidly. The only thing I'm missing right now is EJB stuff which will probably be out in 3.4. It does have support in 3.3 for JSP and Servlets, there are db modules and you can plug in Poseidon UML tool. It interacts with CVS, PVCS, etc. Also has support for C++, makefiles, ANT, & JUnit!

Netbeans is a kick ass, open source Java IDE. Everyone at my company swears by it. It is even able to update itself. It is quite well written and has every feature I need.

Oh, and did I mention that NetBeans is written entirely in Java?

• Vim - Really, it's what I use.
• JEdit - Pure-Java, super pluggable IDE.
• NetBeans - The origninal pure-java IDE.
• Forte - Never used it... lots of people like it.
• JBuilder - Seems like a descent ide.

Like I said, though, I really *do* use vim, mc and ant. And that's it. jode if you need to do some decompiling, and everything is great under Linux.

It's been called "The Bronze Age IDE" by my colleagues, but it's fast and stable. Run a couple windows in each virtual desktop and you can edit 20 files at once easily. Vim has everything I want in an editor -- color syntax hilighting, auto-indenting, quickie macros, horizontal and vertical split, block copy and indent, etc. And ten million other little features.

No matter what IDE you use, ant is by far the best Java-based build system. Everyone should be using it.

-nate

If I were doing much heavy programming in Java, I'd be using Netbeans . It's high-power and open-source. I'm not doing much heavy programming in Java though.

At the university I use Metrowerk's Codewarrior . It's very good, although both features and speed seem sub-par compared to Netbeans. It's closed-source, coincidently.

My personal favorite, though, is Arachnophilia . I don't need an IDE with gobs of features for the light programming I do; Arachnophilia is a multifaceted IDE that does Java, HTML, C++ and a few other common languages (albeit in small portions). It's fast enough for my work, too.

I've tried several. Here's a rundown of what I've experienced. All of these have syntax highlighting, code completion, popup parameter help, can jump to the place a class or variable was defined. The all have a debugger.

Codeguide This was my first java IDE. I used it for a while. For a java IDE it's not so slow. Real-time compilation shows any code mistakes (it underlines them red), even stuff that others miss. Free evaluation version. Not terribly expensive. Relatively poor debugger. Nice autoindenting and code formatting. Virtually nonexistant CVS integration. Closed source.

JBuilder : Slow. Does a lot. Has excellent plugin support, so it can be extended a lot. Nice project management. The Enterprise version has excellent CVS integration. Has a visual editor if you do a lot of Swing programming. Fairly poor real-time error detecting. The best "enterprise" tools of these I mention. If you're doing j2ee stuff maybe you can use that stuff. Nice debugger. Library support for editing classpath is great. Autoindenting and code formatting a little weaker. Frustrating memory leak under linux has been plaguing it for years. There is a free version, closed source.

NetBeans SLOW. Reall, really slow. Has a ton of plugins. Ant integration is cool. Project management is a little hard to get used to. Etrememly flexible.I gave this one a real chance but the speed and bugs finally drove me away. Weak CVS integration. This is whas Sun's Forte is based on. (Think Mozilla/Netscape.) Open source.

Idea Excellent IDE. The refactoring support is 2nd to none in any IDE for any language I've ever seen. Code formatting is excellent, I've never seen so many options for how to format code. Code templates are cool. Library support is a little weaker than jbuilder and codeguide - that's one of its few weaknesses. Decent CVS integration. (Not as good as JBuilder, nothing I've seen is.) I code faster with this IDE than any I've used. UI to override methods, implement interfaces, move methods (and fix all the dependencies in your project), rename methods/classes. Lots more. Try it. Closed source.

During the whole discussion of Eclipse the other day, I wrote about how it differs from Netbeans.

For me it meets pretty much all of my needs:

Open source

Decent interface (although some people disagree), which you can configure to appear as a single window or multiple windows (great for those multi-monitor setups)

Support for CVS

Ability to mount FTP directories as a filesystem so that I can store projects on the servers at school

Support for a whole wack of Java standards which I don't use at all - JINI, JSP, beans, etc...

ANT build scipts

Plenty of other stuff I won't bother to mention.

In fact the only real minus to it is that it is kind of a memory hog and takes a bit to load up (probably because it's written all in Java). Either way though, it's worth a look.

On Windows, I've used Oracle JDeveloper, which is Free(beer) software and can be downloaded from the Oracle Tech Network site if you register. I've mainly used the older version (3.1) for doing JSP work, but it contains some native code and is thus faster. I think Jdeveloper was based on Borland Jbuilder, but I'm not familiar with the new version.

Personally I have only used Netbeans (an open source IDE writte entirely in, you guessed it, java) and Forte. I've heard of some people who like a Tek-tools product but I don't know much about it.

The thing I like about Netbeans is that it runs on Linux AND Windows. Again, personally, I've only used the Linux version. I think they also have maybe a Mac OS, OS/2, and Unix (?) version of the product. The difference between Netbeans and Forte is that development builds come out often with new features that I can't deny loving.

Of course, no product is without bugs. Fortre has bugs. Netbeans has bugs. The only major problem I've found using Netbeans is that when you request an inexistent branch during checkout the program crashes. There are a few other petty problems, but, again there are builds that come out all the time and bugfixes almost daily. Hope this helps!

NetBeans is an amazing IDE, although it was a bit slow on my 400 Celeron at work.

this project has been around for a while, I've actually downloaded and compared (briefly) with some other SWING IDE. As an everyday SWING user (JBuilder, netbeans, TogetherJ), Eclipes is FAST! SWING just can't beat the speed!

And Sun has created SWING, and this IDE GUI package is way faster than SWING and I can see SWING die. Hence it Eclipes the Sun. That's the real meaning.

Don't mind if its another netbeans really, I use netbeans, as well as Forte, and maximum respect to those OSS people!

humps

Maybe it's just me, but how does this project really differ from Netbeans (except for the whole Sun-IBM sponsorship thing). I've been using it for a while now and it does pretty much everything you mentioned above. It's also been out for a while now (coming out with version 3.3 when Java 1.4 comes out next year) and IMHO is fairly mature.

I'm quite curious to know why I should consider switching.

Having a look at this page, it makes me wonder whether Netscape should have put a stricter license on the MPL.;)

Lemme see:

Full open source projects:

OpenOffice

Netbeans

Tomcat (The source was gifted from Sun)

NFS (gifted to the Linux community)

They also have source that free for research and internal use at:

http://www.sun.com/software/communitysource/index. html

They also have given financial and programming support to:

Gnome

Mozilla

And I'm just scratching the surface! And for the record, Lutris was perfectly able to create a fully open source, J2EE branded server. The catch 22 was that they couldn't open source Sun's code so they would have to write their own. Did they? No.

Geez, you people could at least TRY to understand the issue before shooting off at the mouth.

Disclaimer: This post does not meet established Slashdot doctrine. Go ahead, mod me down. I dare you. Be a censor just like the news media. The truth? You can't handle the truth!

Netbeans

Sun Forte

Borland JBuilder

IBM Visual Age

No Visual Studio != No choices.

Their FAQ has the following to say about the relationship between Forte and Netbeans:

The Forte for Java product line is based on NetBeans. Forte for Java Community Edition is a productized version of NetBeans and will continue to be free. The relationship between NetBeans and Forte for Java Community Edition is similar to that between Linux and companies such as Red Hat, Caldera, SuSE, Debian, etc. - a productized version of an open source project.

Cheers //Johan

Their FAQ has the following to say about the relationship between Forte and Netbeans:

The Forte for Java product line is based on NetBeans. Forte for Java Community Edition is a productized version of NetBeans and will continue to be free. The relationship between NetBeans and Forte for Java Community Edition is similar to that between Linux and companies such as Red Hat, Caldera, SuSE, Debian, etc. - a productized version of an open source project.

Cheers //Johan

Their FAQ has the following to say about the relationship between Forte and Netbeans:

The Forte for Java product line is based on NetBeans. Forte for Java Community Edition is a productized version of NetBeans and will continue to be free. The relationship between NetBeans and Forte for Java Community Edition is similar to that between Linux and companies such as Red Hat, Caldera, SuSE, Debian, etc. - a productized version of an open source project.

Cheers //Johan

Their FAQ has the following to say about the relationship between Forte and Netbeans:

The Forte for Java product line is based on NetBeans. Forte for Java Community Edition is a productized version of NetBeans and will continue to be free. The relationship between NetBeans and Forte for Java Community Edition is similar to that between Linux and companies such as Red Hat, Caldera, SuSE, Debian, etc. - a productized version of an open source project.

Cheers //Johan

GNU JAVA COMPILER!

I can finally write in Java and not get made fun of by my elite C++ hax0r friends!

In case you weren't aware, GCJ is the first Gnu toolset for Java, and it's not just a nasty rehash of Sun's stuff...it's JRE, JIT and NATIVE CODE COMPILER rolled into one. They have an odious refutation of the Write Once Run Anywhere creedo which I don't necessarily agree with (the guy must be writing some pretty fierce code if he's had problems like he mentions, I've done distributed Java with the Swing libraries for about a year and never had a problem that wasn't related to Netscape sucking). What I care about, though, is the speed ups. Finally, all my keen little utility programs I've written in clean, attractive Java code (to do stuff like rename files, play music and so on) will run as fast as OS level stuff. I intend on compiling the sweet ass netbeans ide as soon as they get AWT working. Maybe I'll finally be able to get it to run as fast on my shitty Celeron windows machine as it does on my MACOS lappy.

GNU TOOLS FOR LINUX: BECAUSE LINUX USERS HAVE A RIGHT TO CLEAN, ATTRACTIVE, EFFICIENT OBJECT ORIENTED CODE, TOO.

Forte is good, but the project that actually produces Forte, Netbeans, has an even better (though nearly the same) IDE. Check out the Netbeans website and get the latest version.

You say you are looking for something cross platform. One obvious choice is Java. Many vendors have IDEs that will run under Linux. NetBeans is an open source project under the Sun Public License, which is the basis for Sun's Forte product (very much like how Mozilla is a basis for Netscape). Forte Community Edition is free to download and try out. Borland offers JBuilder, with a Foundation Edition available for download. I'm sure there are many others with run under Linux, but this will get you started.

You say you are looking for something cross platform. One obvious choice is Java. Many vendors have IDEs that will run under Linux. NetBeans is an open source project under the Sun Public License, which is the basis for Sun's Forte product (very much like how Mozilla is a basis for Netscape). Forte Community Edition is free to download and try out. Borland offers JBuilder, with a Foundation Edition available for download. I'm sure there are many others with run under Linux, but this will get you started.

Take a look at Forte For Java or Netbeans.
Netbeans is the basis for Forte, so it's basically the same. Both are really good Java IDE with Form design support (including GridBagLayout, the most advanced Java GUI concept).
They support a big bunch of functionalities: JSP, CVS, automatic doc generation, and many more.
If you're used to VB, Java is really easy to grok, many of the concepts are similar and the documentation is really good.
Hope it helps....
Quentin

Take a look at either
TogetherJ or Netbeans for Java/Swing based GUI apps strong enough for daily use.

1. AQUA was very, very sluggish.
2. I wanted to use OSX because it had Java 2 support - but it was not very stable. LinuxPPC's Java 2. (even has Java Enterprise edition) was much better. LinuxPPC's java can run NetBeans IDE too =)

"so apart from my little firewall (that would really best be searved with FreeBSD on an x86 box), remind me again why i would have any good reason to run LinuxPPC? and "because it's GPL" doesn't count as a good reason for me, especially after Apple has "refined" the APSL."

well the above were my reasons. Mind you when OSX finally get's released things may (hopefully) have been improved.
--

What's good for you - it's working on both Linux and Windows (among other OS's).

Kamzik

If you just want to build stuff with existing tools, CIS is probably the way to go. If you want to build the tools and/or full-blown from-scratch software, do CS.

Actually, the Netbeans Java IDE is nice and snappy on my 900MHz Athlon (256megs RAM, 7200RPM IDE drive, Win2K SP1), unlike the old P2-400 (256megs RAM, Maxtor 6gig IDE, NT4 SP6a) at work. *Huge* diff. Y'gotta get one. Hopefully Dell will come to their senses and start selling Athlons by the time the three year lease on the work machine is up; if not, I may have to strongarm the Powers That Be to let me custom-build my own box (heh heh heh)...

This SPL is jsst like the MPL with only s/Mozilla/Sun/g and s/MPL/SPL/g. Take a look for yourself normal diff non-unified

I think Sun is seeing their mistakes with SCSL. They seem to be doing a great job with the netbeans.org site.....maybe they are listening to collab net...or are listening to /.