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You're damn right. Who else is better suited for open source than the guys who are involved with it more then any other entity and are largely responsible for its mainstream use today. Check the kernel changelogs, or Gnome (Red Hat also hosts their website), GCC, a ton of work for GCJ, lots of work on many of the Apache projects, and many other very important projects in OSS from the lowest level things to stuff every day users use. Red Hat contributes far more code then any one else to those plus many many more projects. Red Hat as a policy open sources everything it has and allows all patents to be used by open source projects. So far the only mistake Red Hat made was a marketing mistake and who can blame them? They are getting bigger and must learn from things like they did.

They never once started abusing the community like many companies that just repackage many open source projects together and maybe add a little custom utility to manage some things. Red Hat is an integral part to the OSS movement so people should really stop bad mouthing them. Red Hat puts food on the table for the best of the best enginneers in OSS (excluding some which OSDL covers). Oh yea and not to mention, many of those 24 hour security responses that the OSS world is famous for come from Red Hat. I'm sick of people talking down on them on slashdot, its ridiculous the FUD some are spreading. Thank god alot of people realize that it is just FUD and nothing more.
Regards,
Steve

P.S. This post is directed at the /. community at large, not necessarily just the parent.

Check out the Netcraft report on adti.net. Appartently they only hate certain open source software. Ha ha.

They were on Irix up until a few years ago.

Netcraft confirms it: you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The World of Warcraft website runs on Linux, using Apache and Tomcat. (You can tell Tomcat because of all the JSESSIONID stuff.) Three open source systems.

And it goes down all the time.

The forums, on the other hand, run ASP.NET on IIS. And they haven't come down yet.

Yeah, I'd say using IIS and ASP.NET was a real bad idea. In fact, the only problem most people have with the forums is when the account software, running on Apache and Tomcat, goes down so that they can't log in to the forums.

Netcraft confirms it: you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The World of Warcraft website runs on Linux, using Apache and Tomcat. (You can tell Tomcat because of all the JSESSIONID stuff.) Three open source systems.

And it goes down all the time.

The forums, on the other hand, run ASP.NET on IIS. And they haven't come down yet.

Yeah, I'd say using IIS and ASP.NET was a real bad idea. In fact, the only problem most people have with the forums is when the account software, running on Apache and Tomcat, goes down so that they can't log in to the forums.

Hmm, you got me curious.
Which server does the Army weapons lab use? (IIS/others)
How about the Navy?
Air Force (IIS on Linux???)
Not sure why any of this matters though. It's not like any of these are running secure data. That stuff's on a different network, and the people admining these sites are not the same ones running critical security.
Maybe research sites like Fermilab (apache/solaris)
or JPL (Netscape)
would make more sense?

Hmm, you got me curious.
Which server does the Army weapons lab use? (IIS/others)
How about the Navy?
Air Force (IIS on Linux???)
Not sure why any of this matters though. It's not like any of these are running secure data. That stuff's on a different network, and the people admining these sites are not the same ones running critical security.
Maybe research sites like Fermilab (apache/solaris)
or JPL (Netscape)
would make more sense?

Hmm, you got me curious.
Which server does the Army weapons lab use? (IIS/others)
How about the Navy?
Air Force (IIS on Linux???)
Not sure why any of this matters though. It's not like any of these are running secure data. That stuff's on a different network, and the people admining these sites are not the same ones running critical security.
Maybe research sites like Fermilab (apache/solaris)
or JPL (Netscape)
would make more sense?

Hmm, you got me curious.
Which server does the Army weapons lab use? (IIS/others)
How about the Navy?
Air Force (IIS on Linux???)
Not sure why any of this matters though. It's not like any of these are running secure data. That stuff's on a different network, and the people admining these sites are not the same ones running critical security.
Maybe research sites like Fermilab (apache/solaris)
or JPL (Netscape)
would make more sense?

(If this is modded down it had better be for being redundant)

Heh...I've used both FC3 and Ubuntu pretty extensively, trust me just stick with FC3. It is more stable and solid to me. Always works and has nice config utilities. In short, FC3 is just easier while leaving a ton of power in the user's hands.
Regards,
Steve
P.S. Apparently a lot agree with me, Fedora has grown 122% in the server arena over 6 months, many times higher then any other distro.
Regards,
Steve

Netcraft Confirms it: ZombiePCs really are alive.

Netcraft confirms it!

Apache ITSELF is rarely cause of hack-ins. However, there is a insane amount of Linux web sites hacked via insecure (opensource!) web scripts written in php and perl (phpBB and awstats recently).

Ofcourse, one can claim that it is due to bad system administration, but then again, isn't that the same reason why most windows servers get compromised?

Just compare the percentage of Apache servers vs the percentage of zone-h defaced websites stats.

If you want to keep advertizing free software solutions as SECURE, you need to MAKE them secure.

"If you were Adaptec, would you write drivers for your hardware in Windows, a platform you're programmers are very experienced with and caters to the 90% marketshare, or write drivers for the niche 5% MacOS X or 5% other *nix market?"

If I was Adaptec I'd realize that most people who buy RAID hardware are not planning to run a desktop computer with Windows. They're likely planning to run some sort of server, which I'm sure have much more than 5% of users running a non-windows OS.

According to Netcraft, there are nearly 2500000 sites hosted on FreeBSD (source). This number does not include sites hosted on NBSD and OBSD (obviously).

"Everyone on here expects companies to spend millions in development and bend over backwards for their own purposes."

This wouldn't be millions in development. It would take one guy 10 minutes to e-mail the hardware specs (which they'd have to have available somewhere for them to have written their own driver) to the OpenBSD team and be done with it.

"Adaptec isn't interested in OpenBSD because it's not in their best financial interest, despite their best intentions."

Look at it this way, if you were a stockholder in Adaptec and were told millions of potential customers would not be able purchase your hardware because the company refused to release the specs for it, how would you feel?

ND

Since you're running Blackice software, did you get hit by the Witty worm that used an exploit in Blackice ? AFAIK that was the first real damaging virus/worm in a long, long time and many people lost data to it, plus it spread like wildfire IIRC.

Just curious :)

Not true. Up to the present moment, this has been more talking than action - as most things with this government (yes, I am Brazilian). Check netcraft stats in some government MAIN sites:

Brazilian Presidency: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.pres idencia.gov.br

Brazilian Social Security: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.mpas .gov.br

Brazilian Central Bank: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.bace n.gov.br

Brazilian Ministry of Science and Technology, for "Christ's sake!": http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.mct. gov.br

I'd rather see more action and less propaganda - this government seems excellent in marketing, but really poor in *real* results. (They have been accused of distorting data, among other things, and, in some cities, like São Paulo, even fiscal mismanagement.

Not true. Up to the present moment, this has been more talking than action - as most things with this government (yes, I am Brazilian). Check netcraft stats in some government MAIN sites:

Brazilian Presidency: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.pres idencia.gov.br

Brazilian Social Security: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.mpas .gov.br

Brazilian Central Bank: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.bace n.gov.br

Brazilian Ministry of Science and Technology, for "Christ's sake!": http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.mct. gov.br

I'd rather see more action and less propaganda - this government seems excellent in marketing, but really poor in *real* results. (They have been accused of distorting data, among other things, and, in some cities, like São Paulo, even fiscal mismanagement.

Not true. Up to the present moment, this has been more talking than action - as most things with this government (yes, I am Brazilian). Check netcraft stats in some government MAIN sites:

Brazilian Presidency: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.pres idencia.gov.br

Brazilian Social Security: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.mpas .gov.br

Brazilian Central Bank: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.bace n.gov.br

Brazilian Ministry of Science and Technology, for "Christ's sake!": http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.mct. gov.br

I'd rather see more action and less propaganda - this government seems excellent in marketing, but really poor in *real* results. (They have been accused of distorting data, among other things, and, in some cities, like São Paulo, even fiscal mismanagement.

Not true. Up to the present moment, this has been more talking than action - as most things with this government (yes, I am Brazilian). Check netcraft stats in some government MAIN sites:

Brazilian Presidency: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.pres idencia.gov.br

Brazilian Social Security: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.mpas .gov.br

Brazilian Central Bank: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.bace n.gov.br

Brazilian Ministry of Science and Technology, for "Christ's sake!": http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.mct. gov.br

I'd rather see more action and less propaganda - this government seems excellent in marketing, but really poor in *real* results. (They have been accused of distorting data, among other things, and, in some cities, like São Paulo, even fiscal mismanagement.

Fedora has Yum which has a similar feel to apt, but with a simpler syntax, and also apt-get for fedora works very well. www.FedoraFAQ.org answers alot of questions about that stuff if you do decide to check it out. Apparently alot of people have been pleased with Fedora considering that its usage as a server has increased 122% in the past 6 months. It is worth checking out, FC4 is coming out soon and it should be real nice, however I believe FC5 is supposed be damn near magical :)
Regards,
Steve

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.oracl e.com

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.oracl e.com

Either that or they'll have to rebuild their web server.

Sorry for replying twice, but this may be of interest to you: Netcraft shows that Fedora is by far the fastest growing server OS, growing 122% in 6 months.
Regards,
Steve

Naturally EDS has financial interests in saying such things. They're a company that makes millions off of companies by pushing proprietary software.

It's no suprise that Netcraft shows them as being hosted on IRIX, Solaris and now Windows; they just don't know anything else. Stodgy suits making backdoor deals with Microsoft to push MS product into companies they consult to.

If your company uses EDS, be aware that your best interests are not on their radar.

"Those who can, do; those who can't work at EDS."

It should score huge Kudos points here because the developers say that they wrote te whole thing in C# and they're running the servers on Mono.

according to netcraft they are running on Windows Server 2003/Microsoft-IIS/6.0 and they always have

if they have to lie about something so pathetic as their server OS choice what else are they lying about ?

Does it run GNU/Linux... looks like it does...

Verdict

Parent is not true:

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=you.ca/

I wouldn't put too much stock in Netcraft. After all, they think you don't exist.

Have a good one. :)

The article says that the data stolen was collected by Seisent, which is a company that LexisNexis/Reed Elsevier acquired recently. Because of this, I doubt that looking up the netcraft report for www.lexisnexis.com will tell you much about where that data is stored.

If you look up Seisint, you'll see Linux/Solaris servers.

Looks like Windows 2000/NT servers.

Unpatched ?

With Phishing so much in the news http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/05/00 42226&tid=158&tid=218, http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/08/005223 5&tid=95, and the difficulty that most users have in detected a phishing url without tools like http://toolbar.netcraft.com/, http://www.corestreet.com/spoofstick/ it occurred to me that maybe a solution lies in creating a exclusive Top Level Domain(TLD) for banking. Many of the current problems reside in the free-for-all nature of registering a .com domain name which allows anyone with a credit card, forged or real, to create a domain name convincing enough to phish people. For example my email from Saturday contained an email with these two links purporting to be from Washington Mutal, https://login.personal.wamu.com/logon/logon.asp?dd =1> and http://login.personal.wamuecare.com/%20/logon/logo n.asp/dd=1/login.php in it. One is Washington Mutual's one is a phish.

I propose setting up a new .bank TLD, but making it exclusive to banking and financial isituditons with heavy checking of the business records of the applicatnt and even requiring a bond be posted in the range of $100,000 to $1,000,000. This high a level of entry to registering a domain in .bank would prevent all but the most dedicated phishers from registering say, wamuecare.bank since they would lose their bond if any fraud was found. While your typical user would have no trouble with seeing the .bank at the end of the domain name, and would have confidence in the web site he/she was visting. The cavaet being that the current round of url line spoofing attacks need to be solved, as Opera has http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/25/155 3236&tid=172&tid=218 . Of course International Domain Name (IDN) characters would have to be disallowed in .bank as well.

In my mind any organization that has real or "credit" monies that is keeps for it's customers, PayPal comes to mind, could apply for .bank domains but no one else. Lastly perhaps our govenments can mandate the use of this .bank TLD as a consumer protection keeping banks from trying to be cheap and stick with the .com domains they currently have.

I'm interested in what the ./ community thinks of this as well as what we think the defintion of a "bank" would have to be for this to work.

... facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

Why get spoofstick for IE? The Netcraft Toolbar (used in TFA) shows the country that the server is located in even! That's much nicer.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=lg3d-live cd.dev.java.net

http://lg3d-livecd.dev.java.net was running Apache on Solaris 9 when last queried at 2-Mar-2005 21:56:28 GMT - refresh now Site Report
Try out the Netcraft Toolbar! FAQ
OS Server Last changed IP address Netblock Owner
Solaris 9 Apache/2.0.50 (Unix) mod_auth_svn/0.1 SVN/1.0.1-dev mod_jk/1.2.0 mod_auth_mda/2.0 DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.0.50 OpenSSL/0.9.7b 2-Mar-2005 64.125.133.206 COLLABNET

however.. i think there might be a problem with the bandwith given to the server with the .iso.

He really IS a geek!

Proof!

... facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep 2004)

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

>Mods, he was being funny
Maybe. But posting the link to what Netcraft actually says has been even funnier, IMHO. :)

Look, once and for all, BSD is NOT dying. And yes, Netcraft does friggin' confirm it, so can we please let this troll die its long-overdue natural death?

Mod me down if you like, but if an old rant from an ex developer is considered "interesting", whis should be as well.
Facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep 2004)

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

:)

... facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep 2004)

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

Have you any info on the current BSD market share?
These are the latest data I could find about BSD market share - and they say it's gaining it.
Nearly 2 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
"FreeBSD secured a strong foothold with the hosting and internet services communities at the genesis of the web and has anything but gone away. Indeed it is the only other operating system [besides Windows and Linux] that is gaining, rather than losing share of the active sites found by the Web Server Survey."

A more recent article doesn't talk about market share, but is quite enough for everybody to see how "Netcraft confirms it".. :)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."

I think this pretty much says it all..
--
Requiem for the FUD

Have you any info on the current BSD market share?
These are the latest data I could find about BSD market share - and they say it's gaining it.
Nearly 2 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
"FreeBSD secured a strong foothold with the hosting and internet services communities at the genesis of the web and has anything but gone away. Indeed it is the only other operating system [besides Windows and Linux] that is gaining, rather than losing share of the active sites found by the Web Server Survey."

A more recent article doesn't talk about market share, but is quite enough for everybody to see how "Netcraft confirms it".. :)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."

I think this pretty much says it all..
--
Requiem for the FUD

Guess what OS they were running.

Netcraft confirms it - they thought ahead and are running Windows.

army.mil uses Mac OS X, for its "edge" web servers, anyway. Maybe not the highest volume, but in terms of hacker/cracker targets, it doesn't get any bigger than that.

There are various figures for Name Development's 2004 income, but the balance sheet on page F-70 of the SEC filing says $11,474,620.

Presumably there's some payment schedule for the Name Development acquisition, but it doesn't seem to appear in the prospectus.

Name Development seems to be related to Ultsearch, the company that puts up those worthless "search" pages on dead domains.

This sort of thing will become much less valuable if Google zeroes out the PageRank of domains when they change ownership.