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empty set tennis match
Nowhere in the article does it mention how many of these villagers were on the constant edge of starvation prior to having access to a more varied diet.
Nowhere in your post did you mention this, either.
Jon Stewart Explains the 'Cavuto Mark'
"... Cavuto's not saying these things. He's just asking, like, 'Is your mother a whore?' What? I'm not saying she's a whore. I'm just wondering out loud if she is a whore. All I'm saying is that reasonable people who have banged your mother for money can disagree."
All questions aside, nowhere does it mention your father's vig.
Here's the problem: if cover exists, someone will fly under it. So in the name of infallible subtext, please knock it off.
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Re:Flight recorder
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Re:Makes no sense
So someone points out five examples of serious bias by non-Fox networks, only two of which apparently ended in apologies... and the response isn't "yea, they're all biased", but rather "Fox doesn't apologize"?
Simply googling "fox network apology" show's that it isn't entirely true that Fox never apologizes: here's one example, and another.
I never watch Fox News or MSNBC or any other TV news show, and I'm not defending Fox. But it seems like if your vehement argument for superiority boils down to "my partisan biased news show is somewhat more likely to apologize for its excesses when it gets caught than yours", you might want to be a little less proud of that.
And yet, the original comment gets modded flamebait, and both of the retorts get modded up...
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Re:This isn't news...
Gees numb nuts, I don't have to read those crappy News Corps rags everyday, or watch those crappy Fox not-News channels everyday, there are a whole range of web sites that do it for more and show the highlights 'er' lowlights. You know, I don't have to hit my head with a hammer to know it will feel good when I stop, I don't have to walk with my shows full of rocks to know it will feel better when I stop, I don't have to starve for days to know it will feel good when I eat, I don't have to eat chemically laden artificial junk food to know I well feel better when I eat fresh organic and of course my mind doesn't have to wade through cruft http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cruft day in day out to know I will be far more intellectually satisfied when I obtain my news from better sources.
The crazy idea that I need to read News Corp rags and watch Fox not-News everyday just to appreciate how bad they really are, seriously WTF. I have only got so may free hours in the day for news so I simply go to better sources , now that's common sense. As for the News Corp and Fox not-news lowlights, I wag my head in disbelief and thank people for doing the hard yards of wading through that cruft for me.
Here allow me to save you the pain, you obviously seem to be suffering http://www.newshounds.us/, http://www.fair.org/index.php, http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/, http://mediamatters.org/, http://www.prwatch.org/
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Re:Not just Canada
...and don't forget the Bill O'Reilly coverage of that... complete with Wisconsin palm trees in the background.
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Re:kind of like the police
Seriously? Dan Rather is your big bogeyman from one mistake that he apologized and quit over vs hours and hours PER DAY OF COMPLETE DISINFORMATION on Fox?
Hannity and the rest weren't birthers? Err, they played up the hysteria quite well. I love how guys like you excuse them from playing up both sides. They'll legitimize it and then wash their hands of it when it gets too hot to handle. Here's Hannity loudly and childishly demanding the birth certificate. Conservative pundit Lou Dobbs went full retard with the birther nonsense that his boss had to make him stop. Sure Dobbs isn't Fox, but he's the conservative voice of CNN. These are two well known pundits. Here's conservative darling and occasional fox news commentator Sarah Palin legitimizing the issue.
And its not just the birther crap. Its the other conspiracy theories. A few years ago it was "Iraq is out to get us with WMD." Now its Obama wants our guns. Healthcare is going to send us to death panels, etc. Whatever gets the GOP base excited. Yet, they're all conspiracy theories. See, once you live in a bubble of disinformation its easy to start believing that the president isnt an American.
The real issue isn't bloggers vs mainstream press but learning how to recognize the ownership and bias of the established media outlets. Fox is a great example because its such a shitty and biased network that it perfectly illustrates why people should be skeptical of the media. The problem is that most people skeptical of the media do so because they think its liberal and see Fox as the alternative, when it reality, the news is fairly even-handed and pro-corporate, and its Fox that's the ideological nightmare.
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Re:Good for them
Good thing that its posted AC. It's not an original work. But it has also been passed around a lot, minor refinements made, and without attribution since it was authored. The short essay is apparently originally titled I AM AN AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE SHITHEEL
It's at least as old as September 09, 2009.
Found an older reference at reddit around August 08, 2009.
And somebody attributed that likely the original author posted to the Laissez Faire subforum on Something Awful (Jul 24, 2009) as randomnoise. Some attribution also to a 4chan post (but nothing older than SA post was found)
But seems to be more less plagiarized or inspired (depending on your P.O.V.) by a short rant in July 2004. Also found at michaelmoore.com August 2004, by John Gray, Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican. But, I think the original author is generally unknown.
And then there's the Libertarian response in October 2004 to THAT titled Statist Joe by Gil Gullory, a Halliburton employee.
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Re:"Scientific Consensus Over Climate Change" ?
And you must have rocks in your head if you think that NewsBusters is a credible source. For christ's sake, their slogan is "Exposing Liberal Media Bias".
NewsBusters (a fox news favourite) is owned by Media Research Centre, a far-right group whose president Brent Bozell who, among other things, in 2004 accused John Kerry of lying in his testimony to the US Senate foreign relations committee in 1971 because he had depicted US soldiers in a bad light.
Media Research Centre has several far-right financial supporters, among them:
The Scaife Foundations - Director Richard Mellon Scaife whose fortune was built on the family's ownership of Gulf Oil Corp., Alcoa and Alcan.
John M. Olin Foundation - also funds Brookings, Project for the New American Century etc.
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation - another far right group which gives away about $30 million a year to neocon organisations.
PS. And there is a consensus. Here's yet another survey. Is 96.2% of climate science specialists good enough for you? -
LGF? Bias??
You're presenting crap from LittleGreenFootballs in a piece about bias? Okay. At least you're correct that those are genuine inaccuracies (except the one about rejecting the Op-Ed; they asked McCain to rewrite it because they wanted to hear his plans, not a rebuttal of Obama's).
For balance, how about Fox news listing a Republican caught in a scandal as a Democrat? Or "accidentally" airing that video they "rejected"?
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Re:Politicians will vote for the law
come on now. fox news joked about having obama assassinated. they called his fist pump a terrorist jab. They called the nintendo DS a pedophile tool.
Did they? Are you sure that your not confusing Fox News with programs on fox news? I bet you are. And as for the assassination of Obama, that was actually Hillary Clinton who brought that up. You can't really blame it on Fox.Obviously this is pointing to the bottom end. You might say its just biased. But when its biased to the point where instead of being creative with wording or omission of facts and they are outright lying. Thats not about left or right its just bad. And no intelligent viewer would stand for it.
I'm not entirely sure you know what your talking about. You see, you already attributed something Hillary said when campaigning with Fox news. That right there makes me suspect everything else your claiming. You see, reporting the lunacy of others does not in any way show a bias. And I'm doubtful that you are remotely able to distinguish between the news program on fox news and fox news itself. When Larry King does something blatantly liberal, it reflect Larry King, not CNN. Although CNN has some of it's own biases, they are separate issues altogether.Theres a site just about pointing out the stupidity of fox news.... its obviously very left wing biased but they have alot of articles that just point out contradictions lies and so on that appear on fox. http://www.newshounds.us/
Yes, I am confident now that your making shit up in your analysis. I clicked on your link and it discusses things that guests on news programs say, not what Fox News says. They even seem to be upset at something as minor as having republicans critic democrat policies and vice versa. However, it doesn't appear that they are complaining about the democrat criticing republican policy. That in and of itself tells me that you, the site you links to, and all the supporting evidence you have is biased from the start which means that Fox News, all of the programs on the channel and all, would have to be left bent in order to be in the middle to you. That doesn't make you right by any means. In fact, it makes you a troll.I suppose fox news could live on as a comedy show ala colbert report but it is not news. Infact colbert is more left wing than fox news on occasion and hes funny because hes trying to be so right wing....
The problem is, you don't know what your talking about. I won't get into ripping on you or anything. It is most likely that you were buffaloed into your way of thinking anyways. I mean the link you present doesn't on itself support your claim yet someone convinced you that it did. My suggestion is for you to sit back, take a deep breath, and make up your own mind while ignoring all the people telling you what to think. It doesn't mean that you will change your mind, but hopefully it allowed you to see the errors in your logic. -
Re:Politicians will vote for the law
come on now. fox news joked about having obama assassinated. they called his fist pump a terrorist jab. They called the nintendo DS a pedophile tool.
Obviously this is pointing to the bottom end. You might say its just biased. But when its biased to the point where instead of being creative with wording or omission of facts and they are outright lying. Thats not about left or right its just bad. And no intelligent viewer would stand for it.
Theres a site just about pointing out the stupidity of fox news.... its obviously very left wing biased but they have alot of articles that just point out contradictions lies and so on that appear on fox. http://www.newshounds.us/
I suppose fox news could live on as a comedy show ala colbert report but it is not news. Infact colbert is more left wing than fox news on occasion and hes funny because hes trying to be so right wing.... -
Re:Depends on what the courts do
otherwise Lincon would have had no recourse to lock up captured southern military soldiers as individual rebels
And therefore the exegencies of war trump the rule of law; is that your argument?there was no concept of "enemy combatant"
There was too a concept of prisoner of war during the Civil War! While the First Geneva Convention was called during the Civil War, the practice of taking prisoners of war and holding them until cessation of hostilities is and was a time-honored practice dating back to time immemorial. What do you think the US and England did during the American Revolution? They didn't shoot every captive!
Even now, under Geneva, captives need not be charged with crimes if they are enemy combatants. pulls out his copy of the Geneva Conventions In fact, by Article 99 of the Third Geneva Convention, an enemy combatant who has become a prisoner of war cannot be tried for typical war-related activities (e.g., firing at the future captors during a skirmish). The combatant may only be tried for violations of the laws of war (e.g., dressing up like a civilian and then ambushing the enemy).succeeding
"seceding," not "succeeding"--clearly the South didn't succeed.
That actually brings up an interesting point, however. Assume the South remained part of the USA throughout the Civil War. So the Southern states remained essential to ratification of amendments to the Constitution. So the North naturally forced their defeated comrades to ratify the 13th Amendment as a condition of re-entry into the Union. Wait, what? I could have sworn that they were still part of the Union...
Reunification and reconstruction did a lot of Constitutionally very iffy things. What I'm trying to say in this too-small Slashdot text-input box, essentially, is that (all justifications aside) Lincoln and the North bent the Constitution in order to get their way, paving the way for many arguments supporters of Bush (including himself) use today. -
If it's about Bears, it's Scooter Libby..
If you see an article talking about having sex with bears, it's probably about Scooter Libby. If it's about other animals, it could be about this guy. Of course, it could be vandalism, too. Not all right-wing politicians have a "wide stance" in airport bathrooms, a diaper fetish, or are attracted to animals.
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Hey!!! Where's my sensationalist headline?
Hey, this headline isn't exciting at all! I mean, why do you think I come to Slashdot in the first place, if not for the sensationalism?? Well, to be sure, the headline spuriously adds this thing about "friction" just because the EU says, "Okay, we'll check out this Google purchase of Doubleclick and will tell you next month whether there might be problems," but "experiences friction" just doesn't have the same punchy feel to it.
After all, when a police bring in the apparent sender of a bomb threat and release him after a few hours, Slashdot says, "Innocent man incarcerated for running Tor server!" And when a game counterfeiter gets arrested, the headline says, "All he did was mod the console and he got arrested!"
The Slashdot staff should do a better job here. The headline should say something like, "EU attacks Google with Doubleclick review." Or, for an even better effect, use the Cavuto mark, as in: "EU reviews Doubleclick. Will Google collapse ? "
Yeesh, without these sensationalist headlines, how is Slashdot going to gain ad revenue by attracting more readers who use Firefox and Adblock Plus? -
Uh, many companies work for the gov't, but...
I'm not just pointing out that AT&T works for the government, I'm noting that they are cooperating WITH the government in an *illegal* surveillance program to tap American citizens without a warrant. Other telecommunications companies such as Qwest *REFUSED* to do so.
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Re:I call bullshit.
Perhaps because the newspapers only print stories that promote their own agenda.
Oh...you mean like Fox News?
WMD actually have been found in Iraq as well as the intent to manufacture them.
Liar. Cite proof of this or admit your lie.
Ties to Al Qaeda have also been found.
See response to above.
BUt I doubt the media is trumpeting that much.
If WMDs were actually found in Iraq (or ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda were discovered), do you really think the current administration would spare any expense 'trumpeting' this information? And seeing how the new White House Press Secretary, Tony Snow, was a former White House news anchor, your cute little fantasy about the 'liberal media' keeping the American public in the dark to promote 'their agenda' is revealed as the bullshit right-wing propaganda it is.
I could respond to the rest of your 'points' in the same manner, but this is already getting too long, and I don't feel like wading through two more paragraphs of non-sequeturs, ad homenim attacks, and outright lies. Take your astroturfing elsewhere...most readers here are smart enough to not watch Fox News. -
Markets
That's what really gets me when the Republicans bash the Democrats for alternatives to gasoline, saying that it costs the average person more money. It costs people who buy those sorts of things more money. It is an incomplete substitute for the gas market and will take price pressure off of that market.
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Different area of sick...
That's a different area of sick than where I come from, but they're still sick. Prostitutes and drug dealers aren't a problem for people here, but their lack doesn't mean that society cares about you. This society is sick, and anyone who tells you to live up to society's standards is telling you to live up to sick standards. P.S. Rush Limbaugh, the heartthrob of those who tell us that the prostitutes and drug dealers are the main thing that's wrong with America has been arrested for prescription drug fraud.
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22rush%20limbaugh yields http://www.newshounds.us/2006/04/28/rush_limbaugh_ arrested_and_liberal_blamed.php -
Re:Fucking Hippies!
Hey man, mellow out.
Why do you think it's called Berkeley Software Distribution?
We paved that superhighway you're talking about.
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Fair and balanced reporting
That's impossible! Fox News says so!
Last Saturday morning, Steve Forbes said this about global warming: "There are no real facts to back it up. It's now become a religion instead of science and great fundraiser for extreme environmentalists. I don't think it's a hoax, just bogus science, like eugenics was decades ago.
Well, the extreme environmentalists, like the Kyoto Protocol, want to put a straightjacket and impose socialism which they can't do with red so now they do it with green.
As countries get richer, the environment gets better.
There you have it. America's most popular news station says that global warming is a religion, compares it to eugenics, and claims it's a filthy commie plot. And even if it isn't, it's the poor countries' fault, not America's.
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FUCK CHRISTMAS
Oh man, fuck Christmas.
Seriously - are you kidding me with this "There's a war on Christmas" bullshit? FOX News wasn't raking in enough cash already from all the Christmas commercials for Kill 'em All Barbie and Girls Gone Wild Brand Toddler Gear ? They had to start publishing books about some bogus attack on Christianity? And who did they pick to lead this particular charge?
John fucking Gibson. This guy has wiener written all over him.
Bill O'Reilly gets all the credit as the biggest nutcase in FOXville, but Gibson really deserves his own special wing in the happy house. This motherfucker's embedded assignment reads "Up Karl Rove's ass."
What makes him such a dick? I mean, besides making a fortune by screaming hysterically about how oppressed Christians are by the other twenty percent? How about advocating bombing countries that don't vote the way we want in their own elections? Way to encourage democracy, fuckhead. And maybe he was kidding when he wished, on air, that the French had gotten the 2012 Olympics instead of the Brits so the terrorists would "blow up Paris," but it might have been just a touch over the top to call for it again on the day of the London train bombings. Classy move, asshole.
And really? That's just scratching the fucking surface. Anyone remember who was responsible for the bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma City? John does: Iraq. And speaking of Iraq, Gibson thinks Rove deserves a fucking medal for outing that CIA agent. And, like any good reporter, he wanted to burn the Florida ballots after his buddy Bush got "elected" rather than, I don't know, count them? "Is this a case where knowing the facts actually would be worse than not knowing?" That right there is why sometimes it's useful for journalists to go to, what do you call that fucking place? Oh yeah, journalism school.
And now he's all worked up about Christmas being stolen. What is this, the fucking Fairytale Network? It's a national fucking holiday and we're spending gobs of our hard-earned tax dollars on wreaths and lights for your special Santa day. But these bastards are all "But they call them Holiday trees!" Here's a clue: no, they fucking don't. Ok, maybe in a couple places, like on FOXNews.com and at the White House, but if Christmas is under attack, I'm Kris fucking Kringle.
And guess who's stealing Christmas, according to Gibson. Go on -- guess. "A cabal of secularists, so-called humanists, trial lawyers, cultural relativists, and liberal, guilt-wra
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the future of "news"Wikinews might have some short term utility, but it doesn't seem to me like it's destined to be a replacement for The News-- or at least, I think it's missing something.
What you need in order to write The News is a flow of information coming from people who are able to witness a situation. In the past the mainstream news media has accomplished this by actually sending their people with vans and helicopters so they can stand next to dramatic events and utter such immortal words as, "Can you give us an idea, I know the towel's over her head, but what is your sense of her state of mind right now?" Obviously in principle that shouldn't be a cost-effective way of finding out what's going on in the world for much longer, but in order to effectively replace it you will need another way of getting close to where the action is.
One way to get close to the action is to start there. That is, to be someone who happens to live somewhere where the news happens to happen. This is already starting to manifest. Often when there's a big news story someone will point me to a personal blog written by someone whose life has unexpectedly become entangled with the story. As blogging becomes more deeply integrated into our culture, and more efficiently organized, I'm sure that this trend will solidify.
I do think that there can be a way for "citizen journalists" to collectively write The News, but obviously they would need to do more than rewrite AP articles. One way they could get to where the action is would be to get to it virtually (including, of course, that venerable VR known as the telephone)-- to find someone who might know what's going on, and ask them. It's my guess that some sort of collective strategy around that could work to effectively gather news, but it would be a challenge to find a structure that would inspire and empower large numbers of people to the task.
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CNN leans right
My wife caught CNN imitating Fox's distortion of the Libby case yesterday. This is not atypical of what we see on CNN. Unlike Fox, CNN sometimes covers the left point of view, but that does not make them left-leaning. Right-wingers generally accuse CNN of being left-wing to make themselves seem more centrist.
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Fox News for example...
'...an entity otherwise eligible for the press exception would not lose its eligibility merely because of a lack of objectivity...'
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Re:Definitely Beneficial
Noticed that now there are so few public warnings of new terrorist threats and increasing the national "security level"? Just wait for election time...
Nothing like general fear and confusion to make everybody rally around whomever happens to be in office.And for an added twist, float some insinuations that the enemy endorses your opponents.
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Re:Pretty good, but the Republican Playbook is bog
Can't have any nasty liberals leaving him messages, can we?
I'm sure you think you're joking, but sites with even limited visibility on *both* sides of the political spectrum are beacons for assholes wanting to interject their (poorly spelled and punctuated) thoughts. I post occasionally on Newshounds, a far left wing board, and there are plenty of trolls of both flavors. Free Republic gets the exact same thing.
Unless Hastert uses a moderation system or is allowed some editorial control (which I seriously doubt he has time for, and I'd hate to speculate on the ramifications of being labeled a censor), he's going to wind up with a ridiculously low signal-to-noise ratio.
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Re:Fair and Balanced...
Isn't 'People for the American Way' a left-leaning organization?
Good catch - You're right, of course. I should've used "Americans for Tax Reform" instead.
As to Bill O'Reilly. He's nothing more than a thug and a bully - no different than the average high school punk who can only pick on others when the odds are heavily stacked in his favor. Whenever somebody calls his bluff, he backs off. FWIW, here's a transcript from a show where Phil Donahue turned the tables.
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Re:Fair and Balanced...
Outfoxed was garbage. From the number of anonymous sources they used, to the splicing of footage (notice how often the picture jumps or statements are oddly mistimed), to cropping people, especially liberals, out of the picture to make their points...it's a stretch to call it a documentary. They don't use anything resembling the scientific method to produce a conclusion; they went in with a predetermined outcome and made a "documentary" that "proved" it. Check out who they used to collect their data.
After watching it, my feeling was that given a few thousand dollars and a couple of months worth of footage, I could string together enough damning clips of PBS to make you think *it* was horribly conservative/Republican.
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Re:slanted truthMy original point was that even FOX NEWS occasionally gets it right (they do, whine all you want) and that it is ridiculous not to acknowledge that.
True; but even a stopped clock is right twice per day. =)
Yes, the bashing of Fox News is excessive; Bush and the Republicans get it right sometimes... although perhaps not as often as they don't. I've stopped paying attention to News Hounds because of their excessive stance on Fox. However, Fox's editorial board appears from where I sit to place more emphasis on ratings and/or their political agenda than on journalistic ethics and propriety... or presenting the appearance of either.
Journalistic neutrality is important, and Fox these days doesn't seem to understand that. I believe it was in this segment on NPR where Walter Cronkite mentioned how hard it was for the journalists to maintain that neutral voice during the 1960's civil rights and desegregation coverage. All of them had seen enough of the world to know beyond the shadow of a doubt: "Racism is WRONG". On the other hand, they could not come out and say so. While there may have been questions of ratings and politics in part, mostly, it simply wasn't the proper thing for a journalist to do.
Standards have gone way downhill in the last 30 years....
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Re:I think I speak for a lot of people when I say.
Diebold Election Systems chose the government. We just pressed useless buttons.
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Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU
Here's a lengthy article with some interesting bits including *why* people are stealing stuff like clothes and food.
This little toady with his simpering, self-conscious delivery and complete lack of empathy made me ill! Mr. Olshan obviously couldn't figure out that people were taking clothing and sneakers because they were thirsty and soaked to the bone with salt water that was mixed with sewage!! Salt water is hell on sneakers and clothing, especially when one has been in unbearable heat for days without benefit of a fresh-water shower or a nice air-conditioned company-owned SUV!
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People's predictions are proving accurate
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What I don't get...One thing I find worrying is the disparity between pre-election polling and exit polling compared to the actual results of the election. Pre-election polling had Kerry winning Florida but losing Ohio, and exit polling had Kerry winning Florida and Ohio both. (All the other exit polling predictions were accurate.)
I also find it surprising that Florida was so clearly for Bush given how tight it was last time. (Maybe retirees care more about terrorism and Iraq than I thought?)
Much of Ohio uses Diebold voting machines, which leave no paper trail. Early in the campaign, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell, a GOP fundraiser, promised to deliver Ohio to Bush.
:(Question: If someone committed fraud, would it be better to make it a decisive victory in order to avoid scrutiny?
These guys should start with the big counties in states such as Florida and Ohio that seemed to turn out contrary to prediction.
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Re:Nothing to see here
The WH has denied he was wearing any armor during the debate.
Check up on this story at Newshounds (We watch Fox so you don't have to) on June 5th of this year. There is some question as to whether Bush has been using a radio prompt all along. -
Some of my picks:All are liberal, of course.
- Ugga Bugga has good charts/info compression and researching.
- Wonkette for shear entertainment value. She's great, and she has "scooped" the mainstream press, too.
- Majority Report Radio has a blog that can be a good news source.
- News Hounds, the anti-Fox. "We watch Fox so you don't have to."
- Greg Palast has a very informative and well-researched blog.
- Salon's War Room '04 is awesome, even if you have to watch a 30-second ad to read the whole thing. Not really a "blog" per-se, but sort of blog flavored...
I tend not to read conservative blogs because I like my blood-pressure where it is. And, really, I read enough conservative BS when I read the stories that are run in the normal "liberally biased" press. In their zeal to be "balanced", news outlets feel they need to print a bunch of lies & distortions from the right in order to balance anything not from the right. - Ugga Bugga has good charts/info compression and researching.
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News Hounds
www.newshounds.us
Their motto is "We watch FOX so you don't have to." They monitor the political slant of FOX News. The people that run this blog are the media monitors from the movie "Outfoxed" by Robert Greenwald. -
Re:Founding Fathers thought so.
Conversely, just because Hannity said it doesn't make it false or misleading. Lots of Democrats would like to say that instead. The truth probably lies somewhere between Fox and CNN, between Hannity and Matthews, and between Limbaugh and Kennedy. It's a matter of applying the proper filter whenever you listen to one of the above.
--trb