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Yeah, that's what people with zero understanding of running a business say. Most executives I've run across are easily worth more than what they're paid, and very few aren't. Just as a case in point:

https://aflcio.org/paywatch/TM...

The AFL-CIO thinks it's terrible that John Legere makes 533 times more than the line workers. But here's why he gets paid what he gets paid: He turned that carrier around from hemorrhaging customers to being the fastest growing carrier within three years, overtaking Sprint as the #3 carrier in the process.

Besides that, because of him, my phone bill has seen both a 50% reduction in cost and a massive increase in quality of service. The same can be said of non T-Mobile customers. When Verizon started losing subscribers for the first time in over a decade and kept doing so for several quarters, they abandoned their line of "customers don't want unlimited data" to offering unlimited data.

AFL-CIO is welcome to suck my balls. And the CWA union can suck my balls as well. It's because of them that Centurylink's employees are lazy as fuck and have made phone service here really turn to shit. I kid you not, Centurylink's employees, as per union rules, are required to bring a lawn chair and an umbrella to their work sites.

I personally have avoided working for unionized companies not only because I would have yet another boss to answer to, but I really don't want to have money taken out of my paycheck to fatten up some mafia boss that ultimately doesn't do anything for me other than pretend he's looking out for my best interests. (Not to mention union executives everywhere make well over 6 figures...tell me...why am I supposed to hate the CEO's pay, but not theirs?)

http://www.npr.org/templates/s...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-n...
http://nlpc.org/2016/02/01/top...
https://www.reuters.com/articl...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Even in the Ghetto, a multiple murder in cold blood would be thoroughly investigated. But it is obvious you aren't a real SJW, because these days the real SJWs are complaining that the cops spend too much time focusing on crimes in the ghetto

Before you know it Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will come out from their respective rock yelling "POHLEASE abusing innocent young man", again

And btw, do you know that Sharpton's daughter sued NYC for $2 Million because of a sprained ankle?

http://nlpc.org/stories/2015/0...

A123 has had a number of problems, from their bankruptcy in 2012, their massive layoffs and executive bonuses, to later being purchased by a Chinese company and selling off their assets

Also, non-compete agreements are not valid in California. Even out-of-state NCAs are invalidated if the employee is to work at a CA company, (Exceptions if the employee is a stakeholder/partner/owner, which doesn't apply here).

https://lpo.energy.gov/?projects=fisker-automotive
http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/02/08/many-unanswered-questions-surround-fisker-layoffs
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/09/25/obamacar-bad-karma-for-taxpayers/

I'm conservative and I didn't mod you down.

I just provided facts about what a totally corrupt, clusterfuck Obama's green energy programs are and I didn't even do it tangentially. Biden was the Senator from Delaware before he was VP, what a coincidence! The cars catching fire just prove what a ill-designed piece of shit they are. We should be grateful that there are not many of them actually on the road.

GM to idle Michigan Volt plant for four weeks

That is despite $15,000 in dealership subsidies as well as local governments getting grants to buy them as well.

sorry the link didn't make it: http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/02/15/lightsquared-fiasco-puts-harsh-spotlight-genachowski

And still you offer none...

There are plenty of examples to be found...

While I agree with most of your points I have to say that the Volt has missed it on quite a few fronts:

1) When you go to a Chevy dealer and you want to see one, good luck. They don't have any details, information or even cars for you to test drive. Some dealers in my area are now getting "Volt Specialists" who will work on answer questions but at the sales outlet I expect that I should be able to look, see and feel one. 2) There's been a lot of fraud regarding the Volt and the Gov't Tax incentives. Instead of buying a "new" volt, some people originally were purchasing one that had been cross sold to other dealers. Why would I want to deal with a dishonest dealer? No pun intended. 3) It's overpriced for what you get. A plug in Prius can be had for less and the Leaf is kicking the Volt's butt in sales. 4) I have two teenage sons now getting ready to drive (twins) and I'm looking for something economical and safe for them to drive. Electric, Hybrid or high mileage is something I would like to look at. Will I buy two? I don't know but if I don't fit a demographic where I'd at least like to know more and drive one to see, then I don't know what the target demographic is? 5) I can go to a Nissan dealer, touch a Leaf, drive a Leaf, get all of the information and I might add see all of the technical innovations that Volt doesn't have, for less money and I can still get my tax incentive because the dealer hasn't done a swap for the vehicle, negating any benefit I would receive. 6) I can go to a VW dealer and buy any of the blue diesel models that are ready, available and priced less than the Volt, Leaf and in some cases Prius and get better mileage overall. That's another alternative. So, have they all missed the target? No, but the Volt sure has.

1) Almost any authorized Volt dealership will actually have a Volt for you to test out. Not every salesman is an expert on the vehicle. That's true for any vehicle make/model. They're not engineers. They're trying to make a sale.
2) There is some amount of fraud when ever money is involved. I haven't experienced Volt-related fraud or really heard much about it. I don't doubt it happens. But it's obviously not common practice.
3) It's not overpriced for what you get. What else compares? Nothing. The Plugin Prius is just a poor man's Volt. The Fisker Karma is 3x the cost. Everything else is either pure electric or still a concept vehicle/pre-production. If you're looking for a range extended electric vehicle, the Volt is really the only game in town.
4) If you're interested, nothing is stopping you from checking it out. Nothing electric is going to be very cheap right now, though. It's still new technology. Early adopters always pay a premium. This is nothing new. I understand that a lot of people are interested in it and are upset that they can't get it right now because they aren't willing/aren't able to pay the early adopter premium. But prices will come down. You'll just have to be patient.
5) You can go to a Chevy dealer, touch a Volt, drive a Volt and get all of the information. You can also see all of the technical innovations that the Leaf doesn't have. For a bit of a price bump given the premium trim options and one-of-a-kind drive train.
6) If that's what you're looking for, buy it. Freedom of choice is wonderful. The free market at work.
The Volt's hit it right on the money. But there's a lot of misinformation out there due to the haters.

While I agree with most of your points I have to say that the Volt has missed it on quite a few fronts:

1) When you go to a Chevy dealer and you want to see one, good luck. They don't have any details, information or even cars for you to test drive. Some dealers in my area are now getting "Volt Specialists" who will work on answer questions but at the sales outlet I expect that I should be able to look, see and feel one.
2) There's been a lot of fraud regarding the Volt and the Gov't Tax incentives. Instead of buying a "new" volt, some people originally were purchasing one that had been cross sold to other dealers. Why would I want to deal with a dishonest dealer? No pun intended.
3) It's overpriced for what you get. A plug in Prius can be had for less and the Leaf is kicking the Volt's butt in sales.
4) I have two teenage sons now getting ready to drive (twins) and I'm looking for something economical and safe for them to drive. Electric, Hybrid or high mileage is something I would like to look at. Will I buy two? I don't know but if I don't fit a demographic where I'd at least like to know more and drive one to see, then I don't know what the target demographic is?
5) I can go to a Nissan dealer, touch a Leaf, drive a Leaf, get all of the information and I might add see all of the technical innovations that Volt doesn't have, for less money and I can still get my tax incentive because the dealer hasn't done a swap for the vehicle, negating any benefit I would receive.
6) I can go to a VW dealer and buy any of the blue diesel models that are ready, available and priced less than the Volt, Leaf and in some cases Prius and get better mileage overall. That's another alternative. So, have they all missed the target? No, but the Volt sure has.

Then may I present to you http://newsbusters.org/ http://www.aim.org/, http://www.cato.org/, and http://nlpc.org/.

Never heard of most of those, but I'm sure there is no immediate bias at http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/ and even liberals deny being tied to http://mediamatters.org/ .

Read their justification here:
http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2010/11/10/congress-must-investigate-google-obama-ties ...urging a thorough investigation of both Google Street View and the FTC’s recent conduct during its investigation of the program. Click here for a 6-page pdf of the letter that includes additional background on Google’s extensive and close lobbying connections with the Obama Administration.

Who is the National Legal and Policy Center?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Legal_and_Policy_Center
The National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) is a right-leaning 501(c)(3) non-profit group that monitors and reports on the ethics of public officials, supporters of liberal causes, and labor unions in the United States.

Just wait until Rush and Faux start spinning this, this will take on a life of its own

Good thing Google doesn't have an illegally close relationship with the government that benefits the company!

Newsflash: Safari isn't the only thing from Cupertino that leaks information. I'm talking about fags' asses leaking DNA in the form of semen.

Maybe I'm misremembering Owebama's lofty campaign speeches, but weren't we promised that lobbyists would have no place in his administration? So how is it that Google's chief lobbyist would up as ol' Barry Soetoro's WH Deputy Chief Technology Officer?

http://nlpc.org/cached/white-house-emails-show-more-extensive-improper-contact-google.html?q=stories/2010/07/22/white-house-emails-show-more-extensive-improper-contact-google

From the NLPC's website,

NLPC was founded in late 1991 following the release of the Senate Ethics Committee report whitewashing the Keating Five. The report made reference to the Code of Ethics for Government, but not by name, presumably for fear of giving it greater standing. NLPC was founded to promote ethics, and to give the Code the visibility it deserves.

A quick Google turned up this page about the chairman of the NLPC's affiliations.

So why would a Republican-leaning group be aiming at Google?

http://www.nlpc.org/pdfs/nlpc%20viddb%20new2.pdf PDF.

I don't know where all the anti-union rhetoric comes from, but I suspect it comes from unions having better contracts with better benefits

A trade union is a monopoly. A trust concerning itself with (mostly — anti-competitive) efforts towards maintaining and ever increasing the prices of its members product (labor).

Nobody likes monopolies — the sooner you are busted with RICO and other anti-trust laws, the better. Your corruption and violence have made you far less likable, than most corporations are or deserve to be.

Those, who have grown up in a Soviet Union and similar countries, have particular dislike for trade unions — workers' solidarity, May 1st, class warfare... As far as I am concerned, for example, your sorry Socialist union-official neck belongs on a lamp-post... Nothing personal.

Those (truly) poor, who wish to immigrate to this country to work, are appalled by your arguing, that Americans are, somehow (by birthright?), entitled to better jobs, than Mexicans or Thais or Uzbeks.

And all — including the natively born and raised Americans — still remember the crookery surrounding the name "Hoffa", and the recent NYC-transit strike. We are all wondering, for example, why using the electronic EZ-Pass is only $0.5 cheaper, than going through a unionized toll-collector (EZ-Pass would've fazed those bums out, so extra is being collected for your undeserved pensions). Etc.

I do strongly dislike Microsoft. But:

• it is possible to not buy them;
• they don't slash anybody's tires;
• they don't beat the competition up on the street;

Much like the Luddite's of the past, you tend to stand in the way of progress — except now you phrase yourself differently. Instead of the honest "this will eliminate my job", you are lying: "it is not safe" (witness the union opposition against automated subway trains, for example).

Got the idea, on where the subject comes from, yet?

while Northerners view Southerners as ignorant, slow, and too informal.

Popular media loves to trash Southerners and Southern culture. Just watch a few episodes of "Family Guy" to see evidence of it. Seeing Southern characters on shows such as "CSI: Miami" that are not a.) inbred, b.) stupid, c.) uneducated, d.) racist, e.) emotionally unstable is a new and welcome change.

Basically, it's completely politically correct to portray Southerners as people who meet any of the negative stereotypes above. Not only is it politically correct, but it is self-perpetuating. So many Americans (not just yankees) are so sold on the Southern=Stupid media image that they like seeing it even more.

If you're like most Americans, the people on Jerry Springer with Southern accents are the ones you remember. It's not that every stupid piece of human filth that deigns embarrass their family's honor by appearing on that sorry excuse for entertainment is Southern. It's rather that your brain probably registers them more clearly becuase it already fits in with the well-crafted and oft-repeated media image.

I would love, for once, to see "Family Guy" or "The Simpsons" address the issue of union corruption. That's something we don't get down here in the South -- namely because we don't have all that many Unions.

This will be taken as flamebait, but I don't care.

Not flamebait, just the same leftist, irrational claptrap which is so popular among young people in general and college students in particular. It should not be shunned as flamebait, but engaged so that its irrational and superstitious aspects can be exposed for all to see and judge.

Freedom right now in the USA is only limited to what can make them more money, not other countries that might limit/threaten their freedom.

Glittering generalities like this may make you feel good, but your emotions teach you nothing.

By this I DO NOT mean in a direct assault on freedom itself, but by affecting the standards of living in the USA.

The USA is one of the few countries in the world where an individual's standard of living is most affected by his/her own choices.

The recent exposed plan in the 70/80's to invade oil rich countries to protect their oil needs is only one example.

While this may seem like yet another "let's enrich the greedy fat cats" thing to you, you have to keep in mind that oil was and is the lifeblood of the American economy. Sure, some fat cats suffered. What are the long-reaching effects on American economy if the oil flow is interrupted? From the politicians' viewpoint, the idea to invade oil-rich companies was more about protecting American interests than it was about enriching someone you hate.

Need I mention DMCA and other laws to protect the corporate companies rather then the consumer.

The DMCA stems from the problems with copyright law and "intellectual property" laws. If you don't fix those problems, then we can only expect to see even more garbage a la DMCA.

Also note this is not a reflection of the mass population in USA, but the direction the goverment and corporate pressures on them are steering USA into.

There are lots of big-money pressures steering the government (which is a nice face put on deadly force). Trial lawyers and unions are both huge donators to the "anti-corporate" branches of our gross government.

Pretty soon the USA will turn into a class based system where only the rich and influential can effect the government and freedom of it's population goes out the window.

The USA is already a class-based system. If you want to be in the lower class, then get some tattoos, get multiple piercings in your face, and practice riding your skateboard on someone else's property. If you want to be in the upper class, get some education in a desired skill in the marketplace, make contacts, stop feeling bad about yourself, and work hard. It's not like we live in the degenerate UK, where the class you're born into is the class where you stay, and people know what class you're in as soon as you open your mouth. Your point sounds a lot like "The sky is falling" and "We have to do something!" More emotional reasoning.

The scary part is most of it's citizens and for that matter the world will think the USA is still in a democracy, but it will be ruled by the rich and influential

Yes, that is a scary idea. Making decisions based of fear is a poor choice. We need more people making decisions based on reason and evidence rather than our petty, childish emotions.

Majority vote is only effective if the votes are informed and heard,

Majority vote (I take it you mean "majority rule") is bad in and of itself. It's becuase of this Tyranny of the Majority that blacks, gays, and women have had such a rough go at life.

The major flaw that I see with Leftist ideology is that even the biggest scumbag loser gets a vote. Why should the lazy and stupid have the right to vote away the money that I've earned? What, you mean there are no lazy and stupid people?

(This is the point where some Leftist will respond and claim that they are, by definition, more intelligent than me. They'll probably make some snide joke in response to my rhetorical question about the lack of existence of the lazy and stupid.)

That's why we have a democracy. We elect leaders we trust and they appoint persons to serve the public interest.

How do you know that those doing the regulation will be moral people? You didn't answer this question. You just have faith that those in government will do what is good and right. As it turns out, government at all levels is rife with corruption. You've replaced one evil with a greater one.

You don't get to choose the actions of others. Enron, Martha Stewart, and Halliburton are all companies working withing a capitalist system.

Likewise, some people in labor unions are totally corrupt. Should I assume that the entire "union system" is evil becuase some of the people within it are immoral?

Furthermore, since you define capitalism as evil, you are using these facts of corporate immorality like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not for illumination.

So what is "fraud"?

This is a non-trivial question. It's why we have courts to help answer it. The courts are run by humans, so they are imperfect. It's the best we can do right now.

Does that mean that a police officer should not be able to impound the car of a drunk driver?

A drunk driver represents a threat to others' lives and deserves to be removed by force. This is a legitimate function of the state: protecting the lives of the citizenry from predators and the irresponsible.

Is depriving a child molester of liberty through forceful imprisonment immoral?

No. The abuse of the child is immoral. Someone who chooses to deprive a child of life in this way is a predator, and it is a legitimate function of the state to remove this predator from the citizenry.

Is it immoral to shoot someone who's holding a knife at your wife's throat, thus depriving them of life through force?

No. My relationship with my wife is my property (though it cannot be stolen like physical property, I would certainly feel loss and grieve if it were to be removed). If some predator tries to use force to deprive me of it, then it is moral for me to use force to protect it. It was the predator, not I, who chose the path of the animal. And those who choose to live like animals deserve to die like animals. They have no place in a civil society, and we cannot rely on the state to protect us from predators.

You do a good job of parroting patriotism in your words, but they are rather amorphous.

You have to ask specifics to understand how my philosphy works in practice. It seems like you have done a good job doing that here, though I don't think you expected me to have answers to your questions. You are, after all, a Lefist and thus defined as more "intelligent" than everyone else who doesn't accept your irrational, elitist philosophy.

My philosophy is logic-based and I could humiliate you in a public debate.

Then why not humiliate me here? We don't have to wait for a public debate. I invite you to challenge my philosophy at all of its levels, and I reserve the right to challenge yours at all its levels. If we are both rational people (and you claim to be one, though I don't believe you yet), then hopefully our dialoge will lead one of us to a greater understanding of what is ethical.

I notice that you have not denied that you define captialism as evil. I also notice that you didn't deny that the concept of "harming others" is vague. Should I assume that you agree with these statments since you made no effort to correct me?

So relax, dude; this isn't bottom feeding. I'm just trying to get this dinosaur turned around in the right direction.

Wow, dude, you're proposing to save the OSS movement all by yourself. I am an ambitious person, this is the kind of nonsense I used to say. Now I am 26, and I realize that I do not have the influence or resources to alter the landscape of software development all by myself.

Yet here you are, proposing to do exactly that. Where did this even come from? Your original post was a meek little request for info about Flash. Now all of a sudden you are our Lord Savior? What's your angle?

You paint a rosy picture of putting union resources behind OSS to miraculous effect. I would say you are naive non-CS type, but your second post is articulate enough to make it clear that you know about previous multi-million dollar cash injections from startups like RedHat and (the now defunct) V/A Linux. What makes you think your union of janitors and nurses is going to help any more than V/A Linux did?

Your organization, the SEIU, does not have a clean track record for "helping" or "working with" other organizations. In fact, the examples of CSEA and Intercity indicate that the SEIU will go to any lengths to infiltrate and co-opt existing organizations.

Your second post - a rallying cry for clarity in the struggling OSS world - amounts to little more than re-stating the obvious. This is a common tactic. By stating the obvious, you instantly win the hearts and minds of people who already agree. In reality, you have offered no new information, you have dreamed nothing we all haven't dreamed ourselves.

Beware, psychologist. You have met your match.

So relax, dude; this isn't bottom feeding. I'm just trying to get this dinosaur turned around in the right direction.

Wow, dude, you're proposing to save the OSS movement all by yourself. I am an ambitious person, this is the kind of nonsense I used to say. Now I am 26, and I realize that I do not have the influence or resources to alter the landscape of software development all by myself.

Yet here you are, proposing to do exactly that. Where did this even come from? Your original post was a meek little request for info about Flash. Now all of a sudden you are our Lord Savior? What's your angle?

You paint a rosy picture of putting union resources behind OSS to miraculous effect. I would say you are naive non-CS type, but your second post is articulate enough to make it clear that you know about previous multi-million dollar cash injections from startups like RedHat and (the now defunct) V/A Linux. What makes you think your union of janitors and nurses is going to help any more than V/A Linux did?

Your organization, the SEIU, does not have a clean track record for "helping" or "working with" other organizations. In fact, the examples of CSEA and Intercity indicate that the SEIU will go to any lengths to infiltrate and co-opt existing organizations.

Your second post - a rallying cry for clarity in the struggling OSS world - amounts to little more than re-stating the obvious. This is a common tactic. By stating the obvious, you instantly win the hearts and minds of people who already agree. In reality, you have offered no new information, you have dreamed nothing we all haven't dreamed ourselves.

Beware, psychologist. You have met your match.

Fellow slashdotters, please check out this guy's website before giving him any more help. Read it thorougly, do not simply gloss over. Notice the saturation of blue-collar propaganda, and the lack of any relevant details as to how the SEIU works. The SEIU is a cult.

The SEIU is, ostensibly, a union, and they do in fact unionize people. Like all unions, they have their share of corruption, money laundering, and influence peddling. However, what sets the SEIU apart from other unions is a singular pattern of coercive, manipulative, and undemocratic behavior towards their members, hostility towards other unions, and strict top-down financial and administrative control.

For documentation, please visit the Organized Labor Accountability Project Please compare the SEIU with the other unions listed at this link. I doubt you will find this pattern of cult-like behavior in any other union.

Local 32B-32J: Our union president... conducts general membership meetings in total violation of the LMRDA, our Local's constitution and basic parliamentary procedure. Mr. Fishman... refuses to open the floor for new business, refuses to take unrehearsed questions and refuses to open the floor to independent motions.

Local 32B-32J: ...on Sept. 11, the original primary day, many of the local's staff were forced to volunteer to campaign for mayoral candidate Mark Green. Staffers were allegedly forced to sign vouchers stating they were taking a vacation day so they can go campaign...

Local 79: [Employees] become union members only after working a probationary period of 100 events in a 12-month period. If a worker cannot work 100 events in twelve months, [he] must start over again... "The workers end up perpetually on probation."

Local 1212: In an effort to lure members away from the United Industry Workers Local 424, SEIU Local 1212... claimed to be the largest transportation union in N.Y. state... However, examination of the union's financial reports... destroy the claims. The report shows the union has only 5 officers and employees...[and] has only 94 members. And it is unclear whether any members are in the transportation industry.

CSEA: CSEA has refused to participate in SEIU's unity plan... which required locals to abandon their names and logos, and use the purple and gold SEIU banner. The unity plan also called for fees that would cost CSEA $18 million... Kenny summarized CSEA's complaints: "SEIU has disenfranchised CSEA."

Intercity Janitorial Services: SEIU began attempts to organize Intercity in late 1994. Intercity's president refused to sign... saying it was up to the workers to decide whether to unionize. SEIU's assistant director of organizing repeatedly warned Intercity... to sign the agreement or SEIU would attempt to drive the company out of business...