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It's real early for an electric car to get across country on one of these.

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Even in California this case started in 2007 and has wound its way through the courts to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. What is next? An en banc hearing before the same court? A link to a story of the first federal court decision. http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-05-07/news/james-corbett/ Want me to believe in ID, creationism or whatever it's called this year. Show me fossilized housecats from the Cambrian.

The Has live in both:

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"Quan and Angelina Ha are good eggs, they understand Southern California is in the clutches of a nasty drought and they want to leave the planet a better place for their newborn. But the couple is going to Orange County Superior Court today to fight a lawsuit Orange, the city they reside in, has filed against them. Their heinous crime: ripping out their water-sucking front lawn."

Cops arrest 9 married couples for having sex thanks to an anonymous tip claiming they were prostitutes. No evidence of prostitution was found, just a bunch of people having sex in a jacuzzi.

if the crime was actually committed.

So cops don't go and arrest a doctor because someone puts a gun in their car and calls from a payphone to claim the doctor was waving it at them? Of course, they let him go, but almost certainly the arrest remains on his record and reputation.

Ignoring the cases above, how many thefts and murders happen every day?

Once the right-wing talk show host Dennis Prager called me a liar on national radio when I told him on his show that I'd witnessed Palestinian marches against suicide bombings. He did so after doing a google search during a commercial break. Unfortunately, the evidence was not googlable because the articles were too old, but was findable on Lexus-Nexus, as I explained to him after the show.

...He could have sent the Irvine PD Bukkake Squad our motto "Shoot first, ask questions later!"

Boschert describes many obstacles hindering widespread production of PHEVs, but none are more important to her than the difficulties that EV developers encounter when they try to obtain large-format nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries.

Chevron then put the battery rights under control of a Joint Venture, "COBASYS," and decided to fund a lawsuit against large-format (electric car battery) competitors such as Toyota-Panasonic.
Chevron's lawsuit led to a settlement agreement with PEVE (and Sanyo, etc.) whereby Toyota paid $30M to Chevron, Toyota was granted the rights to use "small-format" batteries on the Prius, and Toyota agreed not to build "large-format" versions of its batteries (needed for plug-in cars) for export to the U.S. until 2014.

> Come on, I think cops are a pain in the ass as much as the next guy, but they don't just beat you for no reason.
> What did the guy do to get himself into that position ?
> I'm willing to bet it wasn't jaywalking.

Of course! The police *never* arrest anyone who doesn't deserve it! And the police would *never* lie to us if it weren't so! Right?

Oh ...wait.

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/training-day/261 66/

> With a horrified suspect watching, Huntington Beach police planted evidence --- a loaded revolver --- in the man's car during a DUI accident investigation in January, the Weekly has learned.
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> The controversial revelation is not now in dispute although cops, prosecutors and city bureaucrats attempted to keep the incident a secret by sealing records and stalling discovery of related documents.
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> Despite those efforts, the gun incident became an issue during an obscure misdemeanor trial last week at Orange County's West Court in Westminster. Police officers were forced to admit under oath that a snub-nosed handgun had been tossed like a Frisbee about four feet into the trunk of a Hyundai belonging to Tom Cox, the suspect. The loaded gun bounced twice and slammed up against the driver's side of the car's trunk. No bullets were discharged.

Seriously, Joebert, get a clue.

A link provided me from elsewhere in the thread (thanks zenhkim), here read this:

http://www.ocweekly.com/features/features/dude-whe res-my-electric-car/20952/

And if you follow battery tech there are breakthroughs daily. Even cheap batteries can be made to last with a little care. My storage batteries for my solar PV are 8 years old and still work fine, and only cost 50 clams apiece.

I am aware of the issues provided in the article movie reference, but I still plan on seeing that movie, I advise folks who question what I am saying to just *go see the movie*, those boys came up with the same stuff I did, and it's along with the same reasons "why", because that is the data out there to look at.

Some of ya'all debunkers remind me of a conversation I had with my dad a long time ago. We were sitting around talking economics and general BS. He was just about to rollover some jumbos, i suggested to him that perhaps he might want in on a little apple action (they were just hitting around then), I told him that eventually everyone would have a home personal computer because they were just so cool. He scoffed (even though he was a mainframe hardware guy), he said "no one would ever use them, too small, can't do anything, useless, yada yada yada). *Snort*. He got a few percent on his jumbos...big deal.

    Another time in the 60s I was in the UAW in detroit. I was talking to some of my "brethren" saying like "Ya know, these japs gonna come in here and take a huge share of the market, lookit these little cars and how well built they are and how much good mileage they get", etc. Remember, this was way back when *very few* little cars around, VW beetles, a few renaults, etc, mostly just big detroit cars. They all laughed, said I was crazy and "no one will ever buy a little four cylinder car jap car". Oh man I got dissed and ranked over that, much worse then this little disagreement action on slashdot, it was like I was ouling the holy sacrament or something to suggest anything other than a 5-10 MPG detroit v-8 beast that needed replacing every three years.. I would also vote to *not* go on strike because we were already very well paid and I could see a huge pension gap coming that would kill off the biz a lot and would lead to "too expensive" of cars that would also hurt business. GEE, LOOK AROUND NOW, what is going on with GM and Ford?? Ha! After those conversations about "tiny jap cars",a few years later OPEC embargo. Lookee there, seems I was right after all....

I quit the UAW eventually (worked GM), because _both_ the union and management were mostly retards (red neck drunks and pompous preppy management cokeheads is all I ever saw), and they still are judging by how they run their business, I just can't be around non thinkers who can't see past next week. On the net it's OK,I can deal with it, but in meat space I just can't be around morons who go out of their way to remain ignorant.

You ARE going to see a lot of electric vehicles on the road, your concerns about batteries or whatever notwithstanding. Checkout the movie when it comes out, maybe someone will accidently release a torrent or something...

Excellent post, zogger. I first read up on the suspicious actions of the auto industry regarding electric-only vehicles a while back -- here is an online archive of the article:

http://www.ocweekly.com/features/features/dude-whe res-my-electric-car/20952/

It's especially telling when you read the part about the car customer who walked into a dealership, saw the nifty-looking EV in the showroom and was repeatedly rebuffed by salespeople every time he tried to ask questions about it.... as if they were required to display the EV yet were desperately trying to discourage anyone from buying it.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you: the US military *does* look for "bad muthafuckas" who can jump into a firefight without even twitching. Read this article:

http://www.ocweekly.com/columns/ask-a-mexican/ask- a-mexican/24749/

When I asked my "Army vet buddy" about this, he told me that recruiters *love* gangbangers, ESPECIALLY ones who have used firearms! It means the recruits are already mentally toughened, socially conditioned to work in a hierarchy, and have "tasted blood"! To a recruiter, that's prime candidate material for a soldier. So you can bet that most of those new recruits being shipped to Iraq came straight from the streets....

Btw, my friend enlisted while he was in a Chicago street gang, so he's an example of the rule as well. ;-)

Pedophilia is commonly utilized to denote sexual relations between an adult and minors under the age of consent - as the Wikipedia article you linked to points out. Technically it's Ephebophilia, being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to adolescents. Whatever.

The Catholic Church had more than "some pedos". It had a slew, and it went to great lengths to cover up their abuses, harass or discredit their accusers and in the process enable the predator Priests to assault still more children. For every one abuser, there were dozens of enablers within the Church, including a full compliment of the most loathsome lawyers on the planet.

This kind of spin - nitpicking at definitions of pedophilia, blaming it all on "the gays" or "the liberals" - is commonly utilized by apologists for the morally bankrupt leadership of the Catholic Church, in an attempt to deflect responsibility for the abuse away from the Church hierarchy. The only problem is, the Church in which much of this abuse took place was increasingly conservative over the past 25 years, dominated by a conservative Pope and with conservative Priests and Bishops in favor and in power. Many of the diocese being slammed the hardest by lawsuits following the 2002 media frenzy in Boston involving abuse allegations are conservative, were run by some of the Church's most conservative members, and were located in conservative parts of the country.

The Covington diocese in Kentucky announced in June it'll be shelling out an incredible $120 million to settle the suits against it. More than 100 victims had come forward by the time the diocese settled. Heaven knows how many more were too ashamed to speak up. This is on top of a $100 million settlement in Orange County, and the $90 million settlement in Boston. More are probably in the pipeline. The OC Weekly just ran a story about what happened there from the '60s thru the '90s that read like the Nazi abuse of the Jews during the holocaust - it's still online at http://www.ocweekly.com/the-news/news/king-of-the- county-pedophiles_2005-12-14.html if anyone's still interested in reality.

The Priests and Bishops who conducted and condoned this abuse weren't gay or straight - they were child predators, first and foremost. Policies and procedures could have been put into place decades ago to prevent this kind of widescale, horrific abuse. They weren't. That's the fault of the conservative (and liberal, for that matter) leadership of the Church and not anybody else. A leadership which apparently considered itself above the law and more important that the children of its faithful flock. If the buck passing and ideologically motivated attempts to spin the blame elsewhere don't stop now, it's only gonna lead to some other sex scandal in the not-too-distant future, with more innocent victims.

WHY would the car industry want to shut this down? EVERY SINGLE MAJOR CAR MAKER IS BUILDING ELECTRICS as we speak, and most have something on the market at the moment.

And what, exactly, do you expect the oil industry to do to "close this down"? Where on earth would they get the power to do something like that, in a country like the UK?

Big Oil wants a stable price, and not too high, either, because it makes the market nervous and causes people to buy less oil in the long run!

I would suggest that commenting against the war hasn't been entirely repercussion free for folks from goverment involvement, see http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/04/05/lost-washburn.ph p

Still not convinced the MPAA / RIAA approach to trying to have folks fired who say things they don't like is compatible with the academic enviroment. Notice I'm specifically only addressing what folks say, arguements they make.

Clearly, actually copyright infringment would be something they could go after.

Ahh well, the RIAA used to have language around on mp3's being illegal.

Of course, the amusing part fo the story is that the mayor ran on a platform warning voters that without him, the town would turn into a police state [ocweekly.com].