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Less than 30% are civillian, looks like pretty damn good stats to me.

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So now it's not the people killing the innocent people who are responsible!!!!!!!!!

What a stupid argument.

Naming the Dead project records the names of over 700 killed by drones in Pakistan | The Bureau of Investigative Journalism

Out of Sight, Out of Mind: A visualization of drone strikes in Pakistan since 2004

At what point did you supply 'authoritative numbers'?

Hypocrite.

Or, y'know, maybe the US could stop carpet bombing oil producing countries... might that be worth investigating and spending a few billion quid on? Maybe redirect some of that enormous bombs-for-children budget to education instead? Why 'Murricans can't see the blindingly obvious is a big fucking mystery to us unless the continual global cockups and catastrophes initiated by Obama are actually deliberate. Anyway, get a grip and think about the children. Love, the World.

Those fucking Yanks are trying for PATENTABLE DRUGS, not a Nobel prize that literally anybody (warmonger Obama Barrick for example) could get. The patent system rewards drug makers, hospitals push their drugs, and the American consumer gets the hard deep fucking they asked for.
 
Could be worse. If the US blew their entire year's budget on something other than interest payments to the non-Federal "Federal Reserve" - eg. bogus drug Tamiflu - you'd be in the same shoes as Britain. And America wonders why nobody wants (shitty, non-working) vaccines and chemo. Pff.

Our politicians are batshit insane from living in a "Yes we can"/"Change" propaganda bubble, and want no part of modern civilization, but the US is hardly a failed state.

FTFY. And consider the barrage of proposals from US congresscritters to further skin alive those sane Yanks who want to be free (exit wealth tax FFS, among others) before shackling those poor kids to a lifetime of American citizenship. They would be reviled by 80% of the world while traveling, their "homeland" is constantly starting one-sided oil wars and drone-bombing foreign schools and failing its own youth, what really are the benefits of being American if you don't live in 'murrica?

If Obama is a Christian then Houston, we've got a problem. The scale and scope of American terrorist attacks dwarf al Quaeida's most soggy wet dream.

Glad I don't live in the gulag that 'Murrica has become. What a fucking joke that country is, with the raging nutters (aka Osama Hussein Barrack) perpetrating terrorism on millions of innocents with fucking drones piloted by a bunch of drunken frat idiots in Nevada. What a way to think... is that how you stop terrorism, by bombing schools full of kids? Deter terrorism by confiscating middle class wealth so you guys have no freedoms to envy anymore?
 
At least they could pretend this confiscation is part of an anti-terror plot, instead of an attempt at the wholesale destruction of middle class America.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, we really love you guys and the giggles you furnish to the countries you aren't bombing, but this shit is really wrong and you might think about stopping it.

Dude, your precious POTUS has declared 60+ wars around the world, including a few at home. War on drugs. War on children. War on Terror. Visit Detroit. Fuckers "standing their ground" in Florida. The US is a war zone and when Barrack Osama keeps his 2008 campaign promise you'll see it ramping up when all those violent gun-toting douchebags return.

As long as the drone targets are persons of color and poor ones at that, it does not matter about so-called "collateral damage". The US of A is militarily superior and therefore in their legal rights to do as they wish, without concern of consequences. We are on a mission to bring freedom and democracy to these people, and if it takes a lot of drones and a lot of collateral damage, than so be it. Here is an important link on the topic: http://drones.pitchinteractive...? These people in Pakistan/Afghanistan need to be educated about freedom, the hard way. http://www.clowncrack.com/wp-c... America is doing all it can to correct these people and those who contest her policies are a bunch of unpatriotic cowards.

So true. Definitely not home of the brave after remotely bombing so many children and innocents.

What is idiocy is to consider that this is about terrorism, defending from it in particular (because the state doing terrorism is not even questioned). If US would be so worried and invested so much to protect the life of every and each US citizens, would had i.e. stopped/banned or at least muted tobacco companies that kills more than 5 millon people every year, to put an example of deaths caused by what should be criminal behaviour.

If you are deliberately killing innocent people with drones, you aren't doing it right. That is why they don't deliberately target innocent people.

That's the point: they don't deliberately target innocent people. Drones seem to still kill a fuckton of civilians, though.

Former US drone pilot quits, regretting bombing innocents, including children

U.S. Accused of Using Drones to Target Rescue Workers and Funerals in Pakistan

Living Under Drones: Stanford International Human Rights & Conflict Resolution Clinic"

That was an accident. this ones were not, and wasnt exactly transporters on the ground. Weddings, schools, sports, funerals and other "suspicious" meetings of people, most civilians, by far, and that in a lot of countries. Yes, there are been a lot of terrorist attacks this last decade. But the head of the organization behind them wasn't hidden in caves or under false names, but sit in the White House.

The ease with which BHO will deploy drones to kill people without trial is scary, doing in countries we are not at war with is scary,
the number of Others that die in the attacks is indefensible.
They are not as accurate as they say. When the "Pilot" is thousands of miles away, they are a little quick on the trigger.

Possibly of interest: Out of Sight, Out of Mind: A visualization of drone strikes in Pakistan since 2004

UN to examine UK and US drone strikes [2013-01-23]

Excerpt from above article:

"Between June 2004 and September 2012, according to research by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, drone strikes killed between 2,562 and 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom between 474 and 881 were civilians, including 176 children."

If you suggest that he will be target of a drone strike no matter where he is, you are very wrong about who is the indecent there. Anyway, we already know how indecent is the US government regarding drones, so you missed one big motivation in your list.

They are taking into account this count? A lot of innocent died during those terrorist attacks.

How telling others (specially, US citizens) that they are being spied put your own people in danger? Who is behaving wrong there? Or spying all the world is a god given priviledge? Is not that they won't abuse that privilege,

I don't want anybody hurt, but give government free card to do anything and they will be the terrorists. If you think that that terror campaign only goes to a few countries, think again, they want to go against hackers too (so better you don't live in the same area that someone downloading an mp3). And if that don't worry you because you, after all, live in US, you probably will be next.

This is about awareness, the rest of the world so they can protect themselves, and you, that should be the one that can do anything about it. But you can keep giving them free pass, in the end, if/when something happens to you or to someone you cares about in the hand of that government you are defending, you will know that was your fault.

He's way of getting awareness is now starting to cause damage. I understand he wants to shut the program down but he's going about it the wrong way. Also it might not be an option to shut it down anyway.

So I agree with you if it's about abuse we have to prevent that but I don't see how him fleeing to Cuba or threatening to release damaging files will prevent abuse. Has the NSA stopped spying on us? No.

How telling others (specially, US citizens) that they are being spied put your own people in danger? Who is behaving wrong there? Or spying all the world is a god given priviledge? Is not that they won't abuse that privilege,

I don't want anybody hurt, but give government free card to do anything and they will be the terrorists. If you think that that terror campaign only goes to a few countries, think again, they want to go against hackers too (so better you don't live in the same area that someone downloading an mp3). And if that don't worry you because you, after all, live in US, you probably will be next.

This is about awareness, the rest of the world so they can protect themselves, and you, that should be the one that can do anything about it. But you can keep giving them free pass, in the end, if/when something happens to you or to someone you cares about in the hand of that government you are defending, you will know that was your fault.

Just giving those countries and everyone else the chances to protect themselves do a big service for mankind, not just US citizens.

And a little hint: if Snowden, a worker from a private company, with that access to information, as you said "did wrong" and went public, what about the rest that didn't went public? As far i could say, there is no meaning in international intellectual property by now, anything discussed by foreigners thru internet that could had some value is already traded, patented, and being used to sue the original creators of the idea when comes the chance, to put a just a sample of potential abuse.

The following is a brief media presentation created by a company called Pitch Interactive that helps to illustrate the efficacy and efficiency of the drone strike program in creating — excuse me, killing — "terrorists:"

Out of Sight, Out of Mind: A visualization of drone strikes in Pakistan since 2004

Personally, I think the whole thing is barbaric and unnecessary and we shouldn't be doing it. At all. It's immoral. But whether or not it minimizes civilian casualties compared to carpet-bombing followed by an all-out invasion still remains to be determined.

I'm glad you said that; I don't think we should be doing it at all, either — but I don't think that the program should be compared to committing wholesale extermination of a populace based on their geographic location, but rather to less-provocative solutions that are possibly humanitarian or isolationist in nature.

As for the Obama Administration's hard-on for "double-tap" drone strikes, I think everyone who authorized this practice should be brought to The Hague for prosecution; such blatant and atrocious targeting of civilian non-combatants is, in my mind, a completely inexcusable war crime.

Until we reach something closer to an AI with self awareness, they should be treated as cars. If a robot injures someone, is fault of the one that made or programmed or ordered it. We will put guns in jail because they are the ones that ultimatelly killed? Or demonize drones taking out all the responsability to all the chain that ordered what they did?

And what about the difference between physical, humanoid or not, robots, vs computers? Like blaming excel for all the economic troubles of today instead of the people that used it in situations and ways that they shouldn't?

It won't change. There is no space for a change in the trend when the most of the places for coordinate them (or that could disclose that it is happening) are under tight surveillance, and the remaining free/secure spaces are becoming outlawed. And most people are not aware or not care that they traded freedom for relative safety (at least until is their turn), they think they have a democracy in US, but it's just Lesterland

What worries me is how all of this spills over all the rest of the world. If you think US care little about the right of their citizens, you should see how just not care at all about others.

That's a solution to the financial and moral bankruptcy of the USA. Starting wars for no good reason was a bad idea from the start, but I guess it's all fair ball in a country that is willing to elect a chimp as head honcho.

Apparently "priorities" like healthcare and food issues have already been ignored.

You'll have to zoom in to see most of the stuff on the chart. And to think, the laughable debate about defunding NPR and education etc to help "balance the budget" because it is wasteful spending. But don't you dare touch that defence spending, it's absolutely essential... because... because terrorism!

http://www.pitchinteractive.com/usbudget/

Now, I'm not saying building a starship is a practical use of a trillion dollars, but there are a lot of things we *could* fund that cost nowhere near a trillion that would have huge benefits to society - like fusion power, or a permanent moon base.