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meanwhile, plenty of books are still free
There are hundreds of free college textbooks out there on the web -- see my sig for a catalog.
There are basically two models that have been proved to work. (1) Do it yourself. (2) Set up nonprofit online collaborations so people can cooperate on producing high-quality free books.
#1 is actually the most successful model by far. Just do it. Bite the bullet. Write the damn book and put it online for free. Here are some very high quality examples of DIY textbook projects: Hefferon, Linear Algebra, Carroll, Lecture Notes on General Relativity, Petkovsek et al., A=B.
The best example of an organization doing #2 is the Connexions project, which is run by Rice University. Other examples are Curriki and CK-12. These folks all use permissive licenses such as CC-BY, which encourages people to cooperate and view their work as contributing to a commons.
I first heard about Flat World Knowledge in 2008. What was never clear to me was what they were bringing to the table that was worthwhile or interesting. I doubt that they can afford to provide any of the services a traditional publisher would provide, such as professional copyediting or professional illustrations. Flat World Knowledge uses CC-BY-NC licensing, which is not free. That means that their authors know they're not contributing to a commons. At most they may hope to make some insignificant amount of money. What's the point?
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Re:Overly dramatic title
One problem with "self-published homemade works" is that there are few areas where these are yet of any quality.
Totally untrue. See my sig for a catalog of free books. Many of these are of very high quality. Here are a few examples:
- Hefferon, Linear Algebra, http://joshua.smcvt.edu/linalg.html
- Keisler, Elementary Calculus: An Approach Using Infinitesimals, http://www.math.wisc.edu/~keisler/calc.html
- Judson, Abstract Algebra: Theory and Applications, http://abstract.ups.edu/
- Thide, Electromagnetic Field Theory, http://www.plasma.uu.se/CED/Book/
Those are just the first few that came to mind.
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Re:Inevitable, I Hope
Use an in-house written textbook custom to the department (done in a lot of lower-level classes) which will be cheaper, lets the department recoup some of the money, but is of much lower quality (fewer exercises by an order-of-magnitude, no proofreading for errors, no graphic design, no color, hand-drawn sketches, etc.)
I teach physics, not math, but here are some existing math books that I consider to be of pretty high quality:
- Hefferon, Linear Algebra, http://joshua.smcvt.edu/linalg.html/ (BY-SA license)
- Judson, Abstract Algebra: Theory and Applications, http://abstract.ups.edu/ (GFDL license)
- Corral, Trigonometry, http://mecmath.net/trig/ (GFDL license)
- Keisler, Elementary Calculus: An Approach Using Infinitesimals, http://www.math.wisc.edu/~keisler/calc.html (CC-BY-NC-SA license)
- Illowsky and Dean, Collaborative Statistics, http://cnx.org/content/col10522/latest/ (CC-BY license)
The lack of color in the printed versions of free books is never going to change. The cost of producing a book in color is high enough that no significant number of students will ever choose it voluntarily over a free digital book. This may become less relevant as more and more students start carrying a tablet or a laptop in their backpacks.
Proofreading, error checking, and increasing the number of exercises are all things that could definitely benefit from a wider collaborative effort, and I don't think they require government funding as proposed by Steinberg. E.g., my own physics texts are free, and I've benefited a lot over the years from having people send me emails pointing out errors. I do have a few exercises from other people's physics books that are under compatible licenses, but not very many.
High quality art would definitely be a huge plus for free textbooks. My wife paid a couple of people to do art for her free French textbook, but in general, illustrations are an area where government funding really might make a huge difference.
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Re:"the math of GR" -- how much math is that?
I forgot, if you want try any of the books that go beyond the level of Exploring Black Holes, you're going to need to learn some linear algebra. There happens to be an excellent free book on this topic: http://joshua.smcvt.edu/linalg.html/
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Free/open textbooks
Open textbooks for freshmen level classes should be possible
There are free/open textbooks in mathematics, at least at the fresher level. Here are a few:
http://www.lightandmatter.com/calc/calc.pdf some physics books are at the same site
ftp://joshua.smcvt.edu/pub/hefferon/book/book.pdf
http://www.math.uiowa.edu/~stroyan/InfsmlCalculus/FoundInfsmlCalc.pdf
http://www.mecmath.net/calc3book.pdf
http://www.opensourcemath.org/books/mauch-applied_math/applied_math.pdf
LaTeX source is available for some of them. These books mostly bridge from high school calculus to first year college vector calculus (the last one goes a bit further), but may not be aligned with a particular professor's path through the topics. There are various others at high school level, and quite a few in specialized/advanced areas, but not so many at the undergrad level. It's worth browsing through the categories at http://planetmath.org/?op=mscbrowse&from=books for slightly more advanced topics. -
Re:Open Source?
What, do they come with LaTeX files or something?
Actually, the CalTech prof who's most prominently featured in the article makes his book available in PDF and MS Word format. He has the link to the Word file labeled "Source Code," so he obviously groks the open-source concept and is trying to do something similar. Of course Word is a proprietary format, but it's a proprietary format with pretty darn good OSS support.
Quite a few free textbooks do come with latex source code. Examples: [1], [2], [3], [4].
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Re:Barrier to entry
I haven't really looked into what they are doing specifically, so I can't really comment on that stuff. But I've done some work in neural networks (actually 15 years ago -- I'm sure the state of the art has completely past me by
;-) ).
If you are interested in the field of AI with neural like computing, your best bet is to learn a huge amount of math. Really you can't understand anything without knowing at least 2nd year linear algebra. That's if you just want to basically understand what's going on. If you actually want to contribute, you're going to need a math degree.
This might sound like I'm discouraging you. I'm not. I just want you to understand what you're up against. You can definitely do some toy problems with neural network packages out there. You don't really need to understand what you are doing. But if you actually want to contribute, you don't really start here. You've got to do your basics and get your math chops up.
As for what you should read... Get some basic undergrad linear algebra books. A google search gave me this link:
http://joshua.smcvt.edu/linearalgebra/
Which looks like it will pretty much give you everything you need for the basics of neural networks (without the neural network part ;-) ) You're also going to need some basic calculus. A quick search didn't show me any introductory free books online, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. However, calculus is used for everything which means you should be able to find used books almost for free...
Once you've got that down (and maybe you already do if you've got a math or CS degree), you can start reading some basic neural network material. The wikipedia entry for perceptron:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptron
seems pretty good and should give you a start on how neural networks (very, very simple ones) work. It gets surprisingly complicated from there :-) There are some decent introductory texts (aimed at grad students) on the subject, but I'm afraid I'm well out of the loop now.
Things can get pretty harried math-wise once you start getting into learning algorithms. That's because you are basically trying to do a minimization with *a lot* of variables. It's not surprising that most of the innovative algorithms actually come from physics (well, in my day anyway... probably things have changed...) since when they are modeling stuff they tend to need to do the same thing. This is where you get into the scary math with multiple variate calculus and stuff... Way out of my league (I suck at math...)
Of course there are other forms of AI. But if you are trying to model the way the brain works, you need lots of math... -
Re:Plastic has this problem...
Wooden keyboards? Wouldn't you rather have bugs you can't see: http://academics.smcvt.edu/sburks/BI108.htm
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2 interesting themes here.It is the architecture of Apple's operating system that protects its users from these bugs. And, we are simply irritated by the near absence of major news outlets who reliably report that fact.
The major conflict in OS fundamentals, this argument has provided many hours of great reading by parties on either side. Funny story on OS history I wish though that I could find a better article outlining the battles fought between OS proponents over the years - the best I imagine are in the newsgroups, archived somewhere.
A view point issue on Linux v Windows focus on Sun - however the fundamentals in the OS are common to OSX as well.The Current idea of "Balance" in reporting. Wall street article on changing Journalism
BBC Article on Balance in Reporting focused on Politics This one isn't technology focused, but the themes apply to technology reporting. -
Re:Like the Degree I started
Honestly, I don't see that as happening at Champlain College. The people that you describe (only going there for fun, don't want to learn, etc.) are really the only ones who end up at Champlain. It's kind of a fallback when you get denied from St. Mike's or UVM.
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Excellent Free Linear Algebra TextbookHi,
The following textbook is being used in my honours linear algebra class. The textbook is great, well laid out, and has answers for all exercises. The link is:
http://joshua.smcvt.edu/linearalgebra/
The author once distributed the answers in PDF form but no longer does unless you request it from him. He states that the answers are no longer downloadable but if you download the full postscript package it includes the answers in postscript format. Good Luck!!
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At my school...
...or, rather, my alma matter, things are a mess. This, I might add, is despite a requirement instituted last year that all student systems on the campus network run Inoculate-IT from CA.
First problem: the on-campus debit-card system is Internet-reliant. No residence-area Internet == no way to pay for laundry == no laundry. Second problem: when the network gets really bad, even the non-residential areas (such as the bookstore) can't do those particular debit transactions (credit cards were not affected, at least in the bookstore). Third problem: students want to (or, rather, need to) buy books and a lot of them have hundreds of dollars locked into their debit accounts for this purpose. Fourth problem: bookstore needs to do returns by same method of payment as purchases and therefore can't do any campus-debit-based returns when system is down. Fifth problem: a lot of classes are net-dependent, and Net access has been haphazard at best and virtually nonexistant from student buildings. My girlfriend actually came over to my house last night to use the computer here because she had to do homework and couldn't do it at school.
Of course, that's all secondary.
Original problem: the IT department is horribly underbudgeted, understaffed, and overworked, so it can't keep up with the disasters that can (and will) occur on any campus with an insecure and homogenous computing environment. -
Re:Open textbooks.
One of my professors at Saint Michael's College actually wrote his own text for Linear Algebra and put it on his web site (not a deep link because the school net is slow as molasses in January right now and I'm not digging for it). I think a printed and plastic-bound copy runs in the $20-30 range in the bookstore (and the figure is based on the printing and stocking costs).
My personal pet peeve: shrinkwrapped books that need not be shrinkwrapped. The latest edition of the calc book SMC uses (Fundamentals of Calculus by authors whose names I forget, edition 5e at this point) is two editions newer than the one I used for Calc II and Calc III when I started four years ago (I'm now an alum, yes), and it now comes shrinkwrapped. That means that any student who signs up for the class, goes to a week or two of it, and then drops it won't be able to return the book for full price even if it's in like-new condition. Likewise for a few other books that the SMC bookstore stocks.
And as far as ripoffs go, the bookstores aren't the ones reaming you for books. I know people who actually work in them, and they don't make much on textbook sales; usually it's just enough to cover the cost of stocking the books, staffing the store so you can find the books you need and they can reorder them when necessary because the enrollment for a class jumped by 5 students two days into the semester, and hiring people like me to work as temp cashiers during the really heavy times. The college-logo crap...er, I mean novelty items...now that's a different story. As is the softgoods (hint: if you walk by a 50%-off rack of last season's styles on the way in to any store, there's probably a pretty good margin on the current stuff in the store).
Now, since we all know that money is going somewhere, I suggest that we indict the textbook manufacturers as imposing an undue burden on the growing number of college students and thus prolonging the recession. Make it part of the 2004 presidential race--cheap textbooks!
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Re:Open textbooks.
One of my professors at Saint Michael's College actually wrote his own text for Linear Algebra and put it on his web site (not a deep link because the school net is slow as molasses in January right now and I'm not digging for it). I think a printed and plastic-bound copy runs in the $20-30 range in the bookstore (and the figure is based on the printing and stocking costs).
My personal pet peeve: shrinkwrapped books that need not be shrinkwrapped. The latest edition of the calc book SMC uses (Fundamentals of Calculus by authors whose names I forget, edition 5e at this point) is two editions newer than the one I used for Calc II and Calc III when I started four years ago (I'm now an alum, yes), and it now comes shrinkwrapped. That means that any student who signs up for the class, goes to a week or two of it, and then drops it won't be able to return the book for full price even if it's in like-new condition. Likewise for a few other books that the SMC bookstore stocks.
And as far as ripoffs go, the bookstores aren't the ones reaming you for books. I know people who actually work in them, and they don't make much on textbook sales; usually it's just enough to cover the cost of stocking the books, staffing the store so you can find the books you need and they can reorder them when necessary because the enrollment for a class jumped by 5 students two days into the semester, and hiring people like me to work as temp cashiers during the really heavy times. The college-logo crap...er, I mean novelty items...now that's a different story. As is the softgoods (hint: if you walk by a 50%-off rack of last season's styles on the way in to any store, there's probably a pretty good margin on the current stuff in the store).
Now, since we all know that money is going somewhere, I suggest that we indict the textbook manufacturers as imposing an undue burden on the growing number of college students and thus prolonging the recession. Make it part of the 2004 presidential race--cheap textbooks!
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Re:Open textbooks.
One of my professors at Saint Michael's College actually wrote his own text for Linear Algebra and put it on his web site (not a deep link because the school net is slow as molasses in January right now and I'm not digging for it). I think a printed and plastic-bound copy runs in the $20-30 range in the bookstore (and the figure is based on the printing and stocking costs).
My personal pet peeve: shrinkwrapped books that need not be shrinkwrapped. The latest edition of the calc book SMC uses (Fundamentals of Calculus by authors whose names I forget, edition 5e at this point) is two editions newer than the one I used for Calc II and Calc III when I started four years ago (I'm now an alum, yes), and it now comes shrinkwrapped. That means that any student who signs up for the class, goes to a week or two of it, and then drops it won't be able to return the book for full price even if it's in like-new condition. Likewise for a few other books that the SMC bookstore stocks.
And as far as ripoffs go, the bookstores aren't the ones reaming you for books. I know people who actually work in them, and they don't make much on textbook sales; usually it's just enough to cover the cost of stocking the books, staffing the store so you can find the books you need and they can reorder them when necessary because the enrollment for a class jumped by 5 students two days into the semester, and hiring people like me to work as temp cashiers during the really heavy times. The college-logo crap...er, I mean novelty items...now that's a different story. As is the softgoods (hint: if you walk by a 50%-off rack of last season's styles on the way in to any store, there's probably a pretty good margin on the current stuff in the store).
Now, since we all know that money is going somewhere, I suggest that we indict the textbook manufacturers as imposing an undue burden on the growing number of college students and thus prolonging the recession. Make it part of the 2004 presidential race--cheap textbooks!
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Physics and Algebra texts (online and off)I'm not sure of your level, but these should be approachable by anyone with a basic high school background
Physics:
Motion Mountain Physics free text-900 page pdf which seems pretty damn good, I found it about a month ago.
Feynman Lectures On Physics
Basic Physics: A self teaching guideAlgebra:
Practical Algebra: Algebra from the beginning
Linear Algebra free text-I'm going through this book right now to supplement the god-awful text we're using in my linear algebra class at college.History of Math/Fun
Zero: The Biography of a Dangerous Idea- I really liked it. It's a short, fast moving, entertaining account all about zero and the history of mathematics. -
Re:What the bean counters should consider...
heh. My school has recently instituted an "email-for-life" policy, but it's not just forwarding. It's "keep the same address we gave you when you got here, not a special alumni domain address, and we'll keep maintaining the mail server". Incidentally, the IT staff was recently forced to institute a "any message older than a year in your inbox will be deleted" policy. Could just be coincidence, though.
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Re:When can we post?
I would *love* to be using tin (substitute your newsreader of choice) to read usenet instead of a heavily lagged web interface (ie it takes a couple of days for messages to show up). However, I don't have access to a Real NNTP Server(TM). My school isn't enlightened enough to provide one (which shocked me when I got here...I had always had NNTP access with my Internet access until that point), and I can't afford to pay for one of the commercial services. So I'm stuck with web-based interfaces.
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Re:...except the server decided it wasn't happy
Yeah, it probably would, if my server hadn't picked today to die (segfaults on everything, trying to run "w" gives "Non-standard uts for running kernel: release 2.0.38=0.0.0 gives version code 0" and hangs). I guess it just shows that even with a nice, solid OS, if the eight-year-old hardware dies, you still loose uptime.
Now, if I just had a way to redirect that original resume link to my backup copy of that page (on my school's personalweb server), I'd be all set.
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Re:question
Wait a minute...let's look at those odds again:
1 out of 100 tests is inaccurate. No tests give a false negative. That means that, out of every 100 tests, 1 is a false positive.
Out of every 100,000 tests is a true positive.
By a, 1,000 out of every 100,000 tests will be a false positive.
Therefore only 1 out of every 1,000 people who test positive will have the disease.
So, in other words, I'm going to get the same number of projects done as I was before--none of 'em!
Wanna see my resume? I'm looking for a summer job.
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http://thesanitarium.n3.net
http://ts1.online.fr/dvd
http://underground.pl/dvd
http://users.1st.net/roundhere/decss
http://users.1st.net/roundhere/decss /index.htm
http://users.bigpond.net.au/nf/dvd
http://users.pandora.be/glenn.plas/dvd http://vandenborre.org
http://vedaa.tripod.com/decss.html
http://w1.1634.telia.com/~u163400190
http://wakeupthe.net/dvd
http://warpedreality.members.easyspace.c om
http://website.lineone.net/~kellypink/D eCSS
http://werewolf12.cjb.net
http://wildsurge.a2000.nu/decss
http://wiw.org/~drz/css
http://wusn-members.xoom.com/ambisagrus
http://www.19f.org/dvd.html
http://www.2600.org.au/dvd.html
http://www.UnderTheStairs.com
http://www.adulation.net/css
http://www.agybby.com/dvd
http://www.algonet.se/~skeleton/other.ht ml
http://www.alltel.net/~ledwards/css.htm
http://www.amerisuk.com/~carbon/css.html
http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/revblack http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/drug me
http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/acidlocke http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop/rawkus http://www.angelfire.com/in/sight
http://www.angelfire.com/mb/DVDoutrage http://www.angelfire.com/movies/DeCss
http://www.angelfire.com/movies/dvdiss http://www.angelfire.com/movies/mpaasucks
http://www.angelfire.com/nh/panzah
http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/ny2600
http://www.angelfire.com/or2/buzzkill
http://www.angelfire.com/pe/sh3/deccs
http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon/decss http://www.angelfire.com/punk/DeCSS/DeCSS
http://www.angelfire.com/punk/freedom
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/dblagbro
http://www.angelfire.com/sk2/braindamage
http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/winger s/decss.html
http://www.angelfire.com/vt/bigbrother http://www.angelfire .com/wa2/phederalphelony/breakingnews.html
http://www.angelfire.com/wy/leggosfun /dvd.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/yt/mpaasucks
http://www.angelfire.com/zine/DeCSS
http://www.artnotart.com/anne/decss.html
http://www.asleep.net/dvd
http://www.asylum.webprovider.com
http://www.auntfloyd.com/DeCSS
http://www.auracom.com/~rhomac/dvd
http://www.azillionmonkeys.c om/qed/recess_for_css.html
http://www.best.com/~drumz/decss
http://www.bugbbq.org/decss
http://www.capital.net/~mazzic
http://www.charm.net/~dutch
http://www.chello.nl/~f.vanwaveren
http://www.cognitronics-tech.com
http://www.conspiracynow.com/theories/d ecss
http://www.constant.demon.co.uk
http://www.copkiller.org
http://www.corecomm.net/~davebb/css-auth
http://www.corova.com/dvd
http://www.cpinternet.com/~jhanson
http://www.crosswinds.net/oakland/~ahrendt/Lawyers _are_scu m-sucking_pigs [...]
http://www.crosswinds.net/~dvdcrack
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS
http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~feise/DeCSS
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/dvd.htm
http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~pdl athro/filez/DeCSS/DeCSS.html
http://www.ct2600.org/2600-DVD.html
http://www.cybertrippin.net
http://www.cyperspace.org/~multicom
http://www.december.ndo.co.uk
http://www.deforest.org/CSS
http://www.deprecated.org
http://www.dgw3.com/dvd
http://www.discountwebhost.com/decss
http://www.divisionbyzero.com/decss
http://www.dodgenet.com/~nickz/decss
http://www.ductape.net/~alpha/decss
http://www.duffbrew.com/decss
http://www.execpc.com/~unicorn/dvdmirr or.htm
http://www.firstlight.net/~clarka/decss
http://www.flypop.com
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscrap er/coax/1107
http://www.fortunecit y.com/skyscraper/motorola/1415/decss.htm
http://www.fortunecity.com/vic torian/parkwood/95/DVD
http://www.frankw.net/decss
http://www.free-dvd.org.lu
http://www.freebox.com/zcedri
http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/mpa aidiot
http://www.fsp.com
http://www.futureone.com/~damaged
http://www.geekbits.com/decss
http://www.geocities.com /CollegePark/3807/2600Tribute.html
http://www.geocities.com/Ongakka/rebel. html
http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline /Curb/1232/DeCSS
http://www.geocities.com/Res earchTriangle/Station/2819
http://www.geocities.com/Shapierian
http://www.geocities.com/Silic onValley/Hardware/6188
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconV alley/Modem/4192
http://www.geocities .com/SiliconValley/Ridge/3727/2600/dvd.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Silic onValley/Software/3971
http://www.geocities.com/Silic onValley/Software/8762
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5258/de css.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Exhi bit/5771/decss
http://www.geocities.com/ SunsetStrip/Underground/3587/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/Ti mesSquare/Dome/4021/dvd.html
http://www.geocities.com/cold_dvd
http://www.geocities.com/corporatemin dcontrol
http://www.geocities.com/dba3297
http://www.geocities.com/decss2
http://www.geocities.com/decss_2000
http://www.geocities.com/decss_forever http://www.geocities.com/decss_mirror
http://www.geocities.com/djph3ad/decss http://www.geocities.com/donquix0te
http://www.geocities.com/duck_ohm
http://www.geocities.com/dvdcracked
http://www.geocities.com/dvdfightback
http://www.geocities.com/dvdrevolution http://www.geocities.com/dvdsuit/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/dvdthings
http://www.geocities.com/epoxy_css
http://www.geocities.com/fairusedecss
http://www.geocities.com/fr33dvd
http://www.geocities.com/getyourdvd
http://www.geocities.com/ghaniali
http://www.geocities.com/iwantdvd
http://www.geocities.com/k4dwi/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/k4wi/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/ma dasian2000/decss_mirror.html
http://www.geocities.com/mastaflame
http://www.geocities.com/meluchwj
http://www.geocities.com/mydefiance
http://www.geocities.com/necready433
http://www.geocities.com/necready433/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/neurosis_dvd
http://www.geocities.com/opendvdecss
http://www.geocities. com/siliconvalley/computer/2303/DVD.html
http://www.geocities.com/soho/studios/67 52
http://www.geocities.com/solidex
http://www.geocities.com/verruktesten
http://www.geocities.com/warrdragon_2000
http://www.geocities.com/watice2
http://www.geocities.com/whackmol
http://www.geocities.com/xtridzz
http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~awirth1/decss
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~castongj
http://www.hackunlimited.com/dvd
http://www.hakor.com/DVD
http://www.hellnet.org.uk/decss.htm
http://www.hobbiton.org/~tpm
http://www.hote.qc.ca/dvd
http://www.hotsoupmedia.com/decss
http://www.idrive.com/decss/web
http://www.iinet.net.au/~matlhdam/DeCSS
http://www.image.dk/~mbp
http://www.imsoelite.com/dvd
http://www.infa.abo.fi/~raine/pub/ software/DeCSS
http://www.ironbrick.com/decss
http://www.ismokecrack.com
http://www.jabberwocky.eyep.net/decss.ht ml
http://www.k4dwi.net/dvd
http://www.kentroad.demon.co.uk/decss
http://www.kiss.uni-lj.si/~k4ef1890/css
http://www.kki.net.pl/~rsr66/css
http://www.koek.net/dvd
http://www.krackdown.com/decss
http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS
http://www.lifesolo.com/bin
http://www.linuxnerd.net/decss
http://www.linuxstart.com/~kv ance/projects/decss.html
http://www.linuxstart.com/~sys_admin
http://www.lockpicking.nl/decss
http://www.mafkees.com/dvd
http://www.mayday2000.org.uk/decss.htm http://www.members.tripod.com/dkdecss
http://www.mindspring.com/~coueys
http://www.mindspring.com/~stonethrower
http://www.multimania.com/sxpert/decss http://www.mykle.com/DVD
http://www.myshed.net/dvd
http://www.nacs.net/~vodak/dvd
http://www.netby.net/Oest/Hva lfiskegade/jana/css.html
http://www.netspace.net.au/~gromit
http://www.networksplus.net/blogg
http://www.neurosis.org/dvd
http://www.nsnva.pvt.k12.va.us/~abc
http://www.ntsmedia.com/decss
http://www.nvhs.nl/decss
http://www.nwu.edu/people/ldb/decss.html
http://www.oblivion.net/~amar/css
http ://www.oksanen.net/ville/this_is/under/Finnish/jur isdiction/otherstuff.htm
http://www.olen.net/deCSS
http://www.oz.net/~tvaughan
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jer24
http://www.penismightier.com/weisha upt/dvd.html
http://www.pepper-land.net
http://www.philter.com/DVD
http://www.pippy.itgo.com
http://www.posexperts.com.pl/people /wrobell/css
http://www.projectbullshit.com/decss.html
http://www.projectgamma.com/deccs
http://www.qix.net/~pheonix/decss.html http://www.ratol.fi/~asiipola
http://www.reapers.org
http://www.redgnatt.homestead.com
http://www.redrival.com/chimx/computer s.html
http://www.robotslave.net
http://www.rpi.edu/~jettea/dvd.html
http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~marsie http://www.scwc.net/DeCSS
http://www.sealteamsix.com/phagan
http://www.sk3tch.com/freedecss
http://www.smackfu.com/decss
http://www.spin.ch/~rca/decss
http://www.stanford.edu/~drumz/decss
http://www.stupendous.org
http://www.subcor.com
http://www.swcp.com/~ampere
http://www.tar.hu/decss
http://www.teamnismo.com/2600
http://www.underwhelm.org/decss
http://www.users.on.net/johnm/DeCSS
http://www.uwm.edu/~zachkarp
http://www.vent-soft.com/dvd
http://www.vexed.net/CSS
http://www.visi.com/~adept/liberty
http://www.vulgar.net/dvd
http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~echerry/dvd
http://www.webnx.com/tuna
http://www.webzsite.com/decss
http://www.wizardworkshop.com
http://www.wolfpaw.net/~decss
http://www.worldcity.nl/~frank/dvd
http://www.wwcn.org/~grit/free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~oracle/dvd
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rasch/dvd
http://www.zeal.net/~pyro/DeCSS
http://www.zip.com.au/~zzz/dvd
http://www.zone.ee/DeCSS
http://www3.50megs.com/dvd4freeThis announcement brought to you by the DeCSS Polar Bear.
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Time for Slashdot to take a stand...
The following is a list of all the mirrors from the 2600 site.
Slashdot has long been one of the best true forums for free speech in the world. Link to this comment. Post that link on your website and everywhere. CmdrTaco archives these comments indefinitely, right? Lets see the MPAA take on Slashdot, Andover, and the ACLU (who I'm assuming would back you guys up) BTW: When I click the "Post Anonymously" button, is there any way to retrieve my IP address, or my login info? I sure as hell hope not. Big risk I'm taking here for the sake of free speech... but we gotta do what we gotta do. Right?
ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/arobs /css
ftp://sun.rl.odessa.ua/pub/decss
http://130.111.75.63:142
http://216.35.100.9/ma/kdawson/deecessess
http://24.114.168.235/public/css.htm
http://24.15.107.67/DeCSS
http://24.6.244.114/DeCSS
http://2600.dk/mirrors/css
http://334.se2600.org
http://DVDoutrage.Tripod.com
http://MSD.dyndns.org
http://Winmac.tripod.com/DECSS/decss.zip
http://alcor.concordia.ca/~sd_fort
http://alsscan.webjump.com/DeCSS.zip
http://alsscan.webjump.com/DeCSS.zip
http://amergeisaphreak.netfirms.com
http://andrewstern.freeservers.com/decss
http://artun.ee/~rommi/css
http://benyossef.com/freedom
http://bigpoppa.adsl.alpha1.net/decss
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/clcktwr
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/klflatt
http://budice.ancients.net/decss
http://budsmoker.com/sites/decss
http://bur-jud-118-039.rh.uchicago.edu/d vd
http://cant-stop-us-all.freehosting.net
http://chaz.fsgs.com/misc/DvD
http://chemlab.org/~dvd
http://cherryville.org/dvd
http://come.to/intelex
http://cs.unca.edu/~dillzc/decss
http://css.choppy.com/data
http://cssalgorithm.8m.com
http://cybertrippin.net
http://cymorg.bizland.com/index2.html
http://dB.org/dvd
http://dandruff.cs.unm.edu/~bap/DeCSS
http://darklord.darkthrone.com/users /smith/dvd
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~homeyd/DVD
http://dbzauctions.tripod.com/decss.zip
http://dcwi.com/~wench/decss
http://debian.mps.krakow.pl/mirror/css
http://decss.8m.com
http://decss.cx
http://decss.cyvoid.net
http://decss.fall0ut.com
http://decss.freeservers.com
http://decss.freeshell.org
http://decss.fzylogic.net
http://decss.htmlplanet.com
http://decss.netfirms.com
http://decss.z-man.org
http://decss_files.tripod.com
http://decssmirror.homestead.com
http://deelbeson.detour.net
http://dephile.hypermart.net
http://dephile.hypermart.net/dvdinfo.html
http://developer.dnepr.net/dvdcss
http://dialug.org/html/decss.html
http://dirtass.beyatch.net
http://dlsf.org
http://dogh ousepages.lycos.com/collecting/midnightrider/DVDEn crypt.html
http://donotsueme.freeservers.com
http://donotsueme.homepage.com
http://dosdemon.yi.org/decss
http://dsl129.drizzle.com:2001/downloa ds/DVD
http://dvd.coolpeople.dhs.org
http://dvd.k4dwi.net/dvd
http://dvd.loathe.com
http://dvdcopy.cjb.net
http://dvdcrack.homepage.com
http://dvdcss.newmail.ru
http://earendel.gt.ed.net/dvd
http://ebmedia.net/dvd
http://elknews.netpedia.net/dvd
http://fairuse.freeservers.com
http://freedecss.50megs.com
http://freemymind.homepage.com
http://freeshell.org/~simm
http://friko6.onet.pl/war/mkochano
http://ftp.yodanet.schwaebischhall. de/pub/DeCSS
http://ftso.org/decss
http://geocities.com/donquix0te
http://geocities.com/dontquit222
http://go.to/decss
http://go.to/nairos_dvd
http://hammer.prohosting.com/~deepbleu
http://heavymusic.8m.com
http://heky.org/dc
http://home.att.net/ ~phreakonaleash/ccs_mirror--screw_the_feds
http://home.clara.net/bangor/DeCSS
http://home.cyberarmy.com/drj/DeCSS
http://home.cyberarmy.com/enac/dvden crypt.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~kaos_inc
http://home.earthlink.net/~rocketrob
http://home.earthlink.net/~snagnbytz
http://home.monet.no/~christel/dvd.html
http://home.onestop.net/lakitu/mirror
http://home.pacbell.net/pfconces
http://home.postnet.com/~wsl3/DeCSS
http://home.primus.com.au/ratzmilk
http://home.rmci.net/bert/dvd
http://home.rmci.net/bert/fuckthelawyers
http://home.sol.no/~craphead/DVD
http://home.worldonline.dk/~loadfree/CSS
http://homepage.dtn.ntl.com/paul.chan
http://homepage.interacces s.com/~mycroft/decss/DeCSS.zip
http://homepages.go.com/homepages /4/0/3/403_error
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~cbunton
http://imezok.tripod.com/Untitled.txt
http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/dvd
http://inferno.tusculum.edu/~neil/decss
http://internettrash.com/users/linuxdvd
http://intfreedom.homepage.com
http://io.spaceports.com/~decss
http://isupport2600.8m.com
http://jackvalenti-ismyhoe.tripod.com
http://jadin.virtualave.net
http://jump.to/decss
http://jupiter.spaceports.com/~decss
http://kb5kjn.karco.org/~alpine/DVD
http://kesagatame.tripod.com
http://kevins.ne.mediaone.net/~kevins/dvd
http://killer.radom.net/~shoggoth/dvd.ht ml
http://leeroy.webjump.com/DeCSS.zip
http://linux.uci.agh.edu.pl/~outlaw/ decss.html
http://logical-solutions.com.au/DeCSS.zip
http://loogham.2y.net/decss
http://magic.hurrah.com/~fireball/dvd
http://mail.sirak.org
http://matt.frogspace.net/css
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/jwhite80 55/DeCSS
http://members.home.net/dgweb
http://members.hometown. aol.com/_ht_a/MysticJTY/myhomepage
http://members.theglobe.com/Greed yMan/greedy.html
http://members.tripod.co.uk/SneakyBat
http://members.tripod.com/donotsueme
http://members.tripod.com/donquix0te
http://members.tripod.com/ny2600
http://members.tripod.com/r-sobin/dvd
http://members.tripod.com/~Denney/DeCSS
http://members.tripod.com/~baloney97/dvd
http://members.tripod.com/~lucvdb/decs s.html
http://members.tripod.com/~sk8or311
http://members.xoom.com/CaitSith16/DeC SS.htm
http://members.xoom.com/LinuxDVD
http://members.xoom.com/NiKeX
http://members.xoom.com/amateursoft
http://members.xoom.com/arjicle
http://members.xoom.com/chapter3/Mamma No.htm
http://members.xoom.com/freedvdinfo
http://members.xoom.com/get_decss
http://members.xoom.com/hairfro/DeCSS.zip
http://members.xoom.com/iamkeenan/master
http://members.xoom.com/iox
http://members.xoom.com/maud123/Home/C SS.htm
http://members.xoom.com/mogreen/decss
http://members.xoom.com/nyc2600
http://members.xoom.com/phireproof
http://members.xoom.com/s_o_sam/help.html
http://members1.chello.nl/~o.seibert/DeC SS
http://merlinjim.freeservers.com/dvd
http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/deccs
http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/decss
http://mikepark.org
http://mpaasucks.homepage.com
http://natara.freeservers.com/decss/ decss.html
http://ndez.bizland.com/css-auth
http://neil.gotlinux.org
http://netmanor.iboost.com/zachgoss/s imm.html
http://noc.res.cmu.edu
http://nomoredvd.tripod.com
http://ny2600.iwarp.com
http://nycsoftware.com/MirrorList.asp
http://osiris.978.org/~brianr/css
http://pages.hotbot.com/arts/weknow
http://pages.hotbot.com/edu/silex/mir ror.html
http://pcmania.bg/9-99/mortyr/_vti_ cnf/_vti_pvt
http://people.mn.mediaone.net/bojay/sl ashdot
http://people.mn.mediaone.net/si mulacrum/decss.htm
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/cy berwave/DeCSS.html
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dantepsn
http://personalweb.smcvt.edu/wtaylo r/decss.html
http://planeta.clix.pt/DJ_AmAzInG/DVD
http://primate.net/DVD
http://pyrrhic.8m.com/DeCSS
http://quintessenz.at/q
http://rha.housing.niu.edu/~davebb/css- auth
http://rlk.ch.utoledo.edu/DVD
http://sadennes.is.dreaming.org/hanadu
http://saturate.org/decss.asp
http://saturn.spaceports.com/~brainz/DVD
http://screw_MPAA.tripod.com
http://sektor1.dhs.org/decss.html
http://sites.onlinemac.com/beback
http://sites.uol.com.br/decss
http://smokering.org
http://sophien.webjump.com/css-auth_tar. gz
http://st-bart.net
http://strange.8k.com
http://stunman.iwarp.com
http://stuweb.ee.mtu.edu/~krcalh oo/DeCSS/DeCSS.htm
http://sweet.as/decss
http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/moorco ck/337
http://telnet.stealth.kirenet.com/~star /dvd
http://the.wiretapped.net/wt/dvd
http://theannux.homestead.com/decss.html
http://thesanitarium.n3.net
http://ts1.online.fr/dvd
http://underground.pl/dvd
http://users.1st.net/roundhere/decss
http://users.1st.net/roundhere/decss /index.htm
http://users.bigpond.net.au/nf/dvd
http://users.pandora.be/glenn.plas/dvd
http://vandenborre.org
http://vedaa.tripod.com/decss.html
http://w1.1634.telia.com/~u163400190 /DeCSS.zip
http://wakeupthe.net/dvd
http://warpedreality.members.easyspace.c om
http://website.lineone.net/~kellypink/D eCSS
http://werewolf12.cjb.net
http://wildsurge.a2000.nu/decss
http://wiw.org/~drz/css
http://wusn-members.xoom.com/ambisagrus
http://www.19f.org/dvd.html
http://www.2600.org.au/dvd.html
http://www.UnderTheStairs.com
http://www.adulation.net/css
http://www.agybby.com/dvd
http://www.algonet.se/~skeleton/other.ht ml
http://www.alltel.net/~ledwards/css.htm
http://www.amerisuk.com/~carbon/css.html
http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/revblack
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/drug me
http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/acidlocke
http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop/rawkus
http://www.angelfire.com/in/sight
http://www.angelfire.com/mb/DVDoutrage
http://www.angelfire.com/movies/DeCss
http://www.angelfire.com/movies/dvdiss
http://www.angelfire.com/movies/mpaasucks
http://www.angelfire.com/nh/panzah
http://www.angelfire.com/nh/panzah/DeC SS.zip
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Re:AOL becomes the ONLY internet connection
I've had similar problems with people on campus networks. I went to a prep school with a Novell net and a T1, and I'm now at college with a campus network. Guess what? I've seen AOL installs wreak havoc with networking setup both places. For some reason, AOL can get very unhappy when you try to change network settings--even TCP/IP Ethernet settings. In one case, I had to reboot to safe mode and remove AOL before I could get the TCP/IP changes to work (had to change the setup on a friend's computer when IT installed a firewall). The computer would hang if I tried to remove AOL in normal mode, either by removing the AOL Adapter from Network properties or by using the unistall option from Add/Remove programs. It finally gave up when I removed it in safe mode. I've also seen computers that weren't seeing the network at all suddenly start working again when I removed AOL.
Bottom line: AOL does not play well with other networking components, and the AOL software engineers really need to do something about it. Or people like me will continue to laugh anytime they see aol.com at the end of an email address.