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Science and Math For Adults?

Peter Trepan writes "Like most Americans, I made it through high-school and college without a thorough understanding of major scientific and mathematical concepts. I'm trying to remedy this situation both for personal betterment and so I can supplement my *own* kids' education. The problem is, most textbooks are not designed to convey an understanding of the subject, but to squeeze in all the 'facts' required by state law. I'm looking for books that don't just tell me an equation or a concept works, but also explain *why*. Would you please list books that have helped you gain a greater understanding of the basic concepts of algebra, chemistry, calculus, physics, and other core areas of science?" This is similar to an earlier question, but with a broader focus.

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  1. Maths.. by Aliencow · · Score: 0, Funny

    0 + 1 = 1 = First Post !

  2. books... by Yodason · · Score: 5, Informative

    Feynman has 6 easy/not so easy peices on physics... I enjoyed those. On A whole I will recomend any of his books... Math I'm not sure... I'd like to try and find a math book (that teaches you as much as a text book) thats not as dry as one... For calculus for the easy stuff Learn Calculus the easy way is a interesting concept, its taught through a story.

    1. Re:books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the topic of calculus, don't learn anything past calculus I (well, bits of calculus II are useful). The rest is completely useless and you'll forget about it all in a couple of years anyway because of its uselessness. If you want something that's useful go for discrete math and/or the good bits of linear algebra.

    2. Re:books... by bmwm3nut · · Score: 4, Informative

      6 easy pieces is cut from the full "feynman lectures on physics." this is a great series of books. unfortunately they're quite expensive, but they are lectures that feynman gave to an incoming group of physics majors at cal tech, so they start of very basic. if you're looking to get just a basic understanding of physics and a little chemistry and biology thrown in for fun, try reading volume 1 of the lectures. volumes 2 and 3, while great references for physists are probably not great if you're just trying to understand concepts. but if you have the money, there's no reason not to buy the whole set. and as the parent said, all of feynman's books are great (beware, some of them are high level graduate level books). i also recommend the feynman lectures on computing.

    3. Re:books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His lectures are very deep and not at all intended for people being exposed to the material for the first time. When given at Caltech, professors made up most of the audience. Feynman was very disappointed at the reception his lectures got from the undergraduates and had to be persuaded at great length to publish them in book form.

    4. Re:books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense. If you intend to study science seriously, you need to know vector calculus and differential equations. Particularly if you want to study physics, you need to have much more math. For anything theoretical, you certainly need topology, analysis on manifolds, algebra, etc.

    5. Re:books... by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 1, Informative

      His lectures really aren't that deep. I tried using them in my first year at uni and found them useless for anything but the most basic discussion of my subjects. Dedicated textbooks were way better. Try picking up a few textbooks by French second hand. I love my Quantum Mechanics one and the Special Relativity one wasn't bad either. Atkins is good for Thermodynamics. Gribbin is good for popular overviews of various areas of science. Bleaney & Bleaney is a nice Electromagnetism volume.

    6. Re:books... by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1
      I do not recommend Feynman for people starting out in physics. His work was best for teaching advanced physics students and his 'introductory' physics lecture series is actually geared towards people who already know physics. The books look elegant intellectually, and they are, but they do not aim to make it easy for beginners. I endured having to use the Feynman physics texts as a freshman and sophomore at Caltech. The lecturers teaching us operated on almost a whole parallel track to the Feynman books and had to create a set of lecture notes basically comprising a whole second textbook. Doing the problem sets at Tech was in part a lot of discovering 'tricks'. I hated it, as it was more like playing an obscene game than having an enjoyable learning experience. But then, Caltech was a lot of nerds teaching nerds. So what could you expect...

      Some of us used Halliday and Resnick as a supplement, a physics text aimed at normal people, and with many problems and solutions.

    7. Re:books... by MuParadigm · · Score: 5, Informative

      I like the Feynman books as well, but I'd start with "Surely, You're Joking Mr. Feyman" first. The reason I say that, especially if you want to share them with your kids - I'm assuming they're about adolescent in age - is that I find it's easier to develop an understanding in these subjects by hearing stories in them first, then moving on to more theory-oriented works.

      For math, I'd recommend:

      G. H. Hardy - A Mathemetician's Apology
      E. T. Bell - Men of Mathematics (some people have problems with this book in terms of historical accuracy, but I'v always found it a lot of fun)
      Courant & Robbins - What is Mathematics? (nice grounding in general theory)
      Nagel & Newman - Godel's Proof
      Georg Cantor - Transfinite Numbers
      Alan Turing - On the Computable Numbers (fantastic essay, don't know where you can find it though)
      J. E. Thompson - Algebra / Calculus for the Practical Man
      Silvanus Thompson & Martin Gardner - Calculus Made Easy

      For physics:

      Feynman - QED (Quantum Electrodynamics)/ The Character of Physical Law
      Galileo - Two New Sciences (Much more readable than you'd think)
      Fermi - Thermodynamics / Elementary Particles (these might be a little too technical)
      Brian Greene - The Elegant Universe
      Einstein - Relativity / The Principle of Relativity / The Meaning of Relativity / The Theory Of Brownian Movemnent

      Highly Unrecommended:

      The Tao of Physics - Fritjof Capra
      The Dancing Wu-Li Masters - Gary Zukav

      I cannot emphasize enough how lousy these last two books are. I can't understand why they are still in print. Atrocious new age speculation.

    8. Re:books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Honestly, you don't have the background to see how deep the Feynman lectures are. His discussion of angular momentum has so much physical insight that you *know* that the writer has a deep understanding of mathematical physics. Never confuse a lack of verbosity or notation for lack of physical insight.

      French is one of the poorer intro QM books, IMO (a poor formal treatment of operators and commutators and the like). I perfer Sakurai (although it is hard for the average undergraduate) with Peebles as a supplement for applications (the baby-field theory in the last chapter is brilliant) and Shankar for his treatment of path integrals. Merzbacher and/or Sakurai's second book are good for graduate QM. The standard book for stat mech is Kittel and Kromer. I've taught out of it for over a decade and have never had complaints about the text. The BEST book for intro E/M is Purcell. It is an exceptionally elegant treatment that doesn't shy away from math, but still manages to remain grounded in the physics of the situation. For intermediate E/M, Griffiths is the obvious choice. For advanced E/M, Jackason is the obvious choice. For QFT, Perkins and Schroder is the standard text, although for the very mathematically inclined, Weinberg's series is excellent.

    9. Re:books... by dreadnougat · · Score: 1

      What an odd coincidence. I just got back from the library six easy pieces by Feynman...

    10. Re:books... by dreadnougat · · Score: 1

      That would be *with* six easy pieces :)

    11. Re:books... by bmwm3nut · · Score: 1

      if you don't think his lectures are very deep then you haven't read them well enough. my research group took an hour each week to discuss each of the lectures in volume 1 (we just haven't gotten to vol 2 yet). it's amazing how much you can learn from so called 'freshman lectures' even when you're a 5th year student in chemical physics. there's so much packed in there, it's just so elgantly written that you don't realize how much you just learned. if you sit back and analyze the lectures, you get a ton out of them.

    12. Re:books... by berzerke · · Score: 1

      To the physics list I would add Understanding Physics by Isaac Asimov. I wish I had read the book before I took my college physics courses. I would have done better. BTW, the set is only $10 at bn.com, so it's not pricey.

    13. Re:books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely right. His casual and colloquial writing makes it sound like easy reading - but there's really a lot put into those 3 volumes, much more than other standard textbooks because he doesn't waste space on example after example of calculation. The books are very qualitative, which makes it easy to get something out of them at any level. I think most people studying physics should really read them three times - once before undergrad, once after an undergraduate physics background, and once more after a PhD. Perhaps then you can appreaciate more fully what you're reading.

    14. Re:books... by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 1
      Honestly, you don't have the background to see how deep the Feynman lectures are.His discussion of angular momentum has so much physical insight that you *know* that the writer has a deep understanding of mathematical physics. Never confuse a lack of verbosity or notation for lack of physical insight.

      I found that I never learnt as much from Feynman as I did from other books and that when I tried to look up something for my course in his lectures, it was too difficult to find the information or he simply waffled about it. He certainly understands the subject well but in my experience, he fails to convey that understanding to others in so far as the lecture books go. His other books are much better.

      French is one of the poorer intro QM books, IMO (a poor formal treatment of operators and commutators and the like). I perfer Sakurai (although it is hard for the average undergraduate) with Peebles as a supplement for applications (the baby-field theory in the last chapter is brilliant) and Shankar for his treatment of path integrals. Merzbacher and/or Sakurai's second book are good for graduate QM.

      Never come across any of them, but I"m still an undergrad and don't spend as much time in the library as I probably should. Looked at Cohen & Tanoudji and a few others whose names I can't remember. Found I preferred French's style. You're right about the operator and commutator treatment though. He doesn't go quite deep enough into the mathematics. Maybe that's why I liked it :^)

      The BEST book for intro E/M is Purcell. It is an exceptionally elegant treatment that doesn't shy away from math, but still manages to remain grounded in the physics of the situation. For intermediate E/M, Griffiths is the obvious choice. For advanced E/M, Jackason is the obvious choice.

      Obvious choice in my experience differ from tutor to tutor :^) And beginner/intermediate/advanced vary wildly between places. For what I do, Duffin, esp Advanced Duffin is fairly clear and easy to find things in. Bleaney & Bleaney is good for fleshing it out and going into more detail.

      For QFT, Perkins and Schroder is the standard text, although for the very mathematically inclined, Weinberg's series is excellent.

      Don't think I'll be doing any QFT. Not even sure if there's an option to an undergrad level. Just done some atmoic physics though. Can't stand the stuff. Woodgate was a decent starter volume on it though. Nice to finally get a bit clsoer to the truth after all the lies we were told in Chemistry in school.

    15. Re:books... by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I misspoke. Being lazy with my words. He certainly understnad the stuff well, but I didn't find it particularly useful for learning the stuff from. Found other textbooks much clearer. I think they're good to go back and look at once you've learnt a subject and have some understanding of it, but in my experience, they just don't cut it when it comes to learning for the first time.

    16. Re:books... by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify what I said, since I was apparently too lazy with my words, I think the simple beginner stuff is too simple and not explain in enough detail, which is why I said 'not deep'. On the other hand, he jumps striaght from the very simple into much more advanced very deep stuff, but it's things you won;t even think about without already knowing some Physics, so while it's deep, it isn't hugely accessable or apparent that it is deep. Bad learning curve.

    17. Re:books... by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I highly recommend Cartoon Guide to Statistics and Cartoon Guide to Genetics Despite the titles, they don't sacrifice accuracy for cuteness. If you make it all the way through the Cartoon Guide to Statistics you'll be able to understand common statistical practices like t-tests and confidence intervals, and you'll have a much better chance of recognizing when statistics are being abused.

    18. Re:books... by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just wanted to reply concerning the cost issue. If you find something you think will work, and can learn easily from it, it's worth the price. You'd be surprised what a good foundation of scientific principles can do for you, at work and at home.

      It's not only the facts you know about things; those give you the ability to carry on a discussion with a specialist in any given field. It's also the process of discovery and fact-checking. Every time you work a problem, or follow the progression of a historical great discovery, you teach yourself how to apply your natural curiosity in a productive way. Invaluable.

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    19. Re:books... by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd add to the math list: 1, 2, 3... Infinity. by George Gamow. Also to the physics list: Einsteins Theory of Relativity by Max Born. A wonderful primer on relativity using nothing more than HS algebra.

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    20. Re:books... by Hal-9001 · · Score: 1

      Compared to the average college physics textbook, the three-volume Feynman Lectures are a bargain. And any one of the volumes in the Feynman Lectures is likely to contain more physical insight than the other standard introductory physics textbooks put together.

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    21. Re:books... by kardar · · Score: 1

      Nice list...

      I *just* started reading the Tao of Physics... we'll see how that goes.

      I have to recommend these books:

      "Rhetoric" by Aristotle

      A great book, really. Takes a while to read a translation, but well worth it. I always associated Aristotle with the arts in one way or another but it is surprising how relevant many of his concepts are today, given that the book was written in 350 BC.

      The Diamond Sutra

      A very old and very important Buddhist text - A Chinese translation of this book is the world's earliest dated printed book (868 AD). ( There are earlier books, but none of those actually had a date stamped on them. ) You will need a good translation and will probably spend more time in the footnotes, but this is an incredible book. Just an incredible book.

    22. Re:books... by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      Well... Brian Greene's The Elegant Universe is more of a story than a book that allows you to understand physics. That said, it does show you what the life of a Physicist is like more than most. However, none of what is in his book will come up in a highschool class.

    23. Re:books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Feynman's books are a little too advanced for ANY casual reader--in fact they WERE textbooks for the CalTech freshman physics class in 1964 (I think this was the year at any rate) but were quickly scrapped. Feynman adds outstanding insight to those who already "know" physics (those who took the course and did reasonably well), but otherwise I think he befuddles and confuses. On the other hand, 6 Easy Pieces is good, as is "The Character Of Physical Law." Many mathematical physics books would be great to help you pickup both math and physics, but I would recommend starting at the high school level and then moving up (the high school books are written on a college level anyways--after all, how many high school students are interested in mathematical physics!). GEORGE POLYA wrote a book you should check out called "Mathematical Methods in Science" and it is an excellent start.

    24. Re:books... by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 1

      They're not even all that expensive. The commerative edition (Which I got for Christmas) runs ~$95 on Amazon, and is a really nice editon. All three volumes, hardbound, in cardboard holder.

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    25. Re:books... by deuist · · Score: 1
      >> they are lectures that feynman gave to an incoming group of physics majors at cal tech, so they start of very basic

      Actually, the Feynman lectures are at an advanced level. Feynman stated that when he was teaching the course, each class hour was packed with students eager to learn. As time went on, however, he noticed that many of the students were failing. He wondered why so many would attend lecture only to fail the exams later. After a while he realized that the people in the audience were actually graduate students and professors.

    26. Re:books... by Angry+Pixie · · Score: 1

      When I want to refamiliarize myself with a subject or just learn something new, I like browsing college bookstores that way I can see what titles are being selected for particular courses. Of course I never actually buy from a college bookstore. Is that what other Slashdotters do or does Oprah have a book of the month club just for the scholarly set that I don't know about?

    27. Re:books... by Vadim+the+Conqueror · · Score: 1

      "the universe on a t-shirt: The quest for the theory of everything" by Dan Falk is a really interesting book. it's very simple, and it's all about the why, not the how. it's basicly an overview of the history of physics with enough information to get to know what you want to devote more time to learning. i have about 50 pages left to it, but i highly recommend it.

    28. Re:books... by gunix · · Score: 1

      >Alan Turing - On the Computable Numbers (fantastic >essay, don't know where you can find it though)
      Hasn't the copyright expired? Scan it and put it on the web :-)

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    29. Re:books... by server_wench · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you find and enjoy Hardy's A Mathematician's Apology go on to Robert Kanigel's The Man Who Knew Infinity, A Life of the Genius Ramanujan next.

      I also recommend Timothy Ferris' books, like Coming of Age in the Milky Way and for history of technology, James Burke's The Day the Universe Changed and Connections. I have heard him speak in person and if you appreciate humor, he is your author. Another winner is James Gleick's Chaos, Making a New Science.

      Don't forget periodicals, like Scientific American which convey the excitement of discovery that drives most practicing researchers while still being accessible.

    30. Re:books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To hell with books, the US Department of Energy provides several manuals to their contractors to teach basic science and mathh. The math series begins at addition and goes all the way to basic integral calculus. The material is designed to teach the concepts and is quite readeable (though the diagrams are of poor quality).

      Several of the manuals can be found here

      http://c3energy.com/alt_energy/

    31. Re:books... by northstarlarry · · Score: 1
      I decided to do the same thing recently ( altho' I have no kids; it's just for me ), and I stumbled across "Calculus The Easy Way", which I really like. It is, as Yodason mentioned, told in a story, which makes it a little silly at times. It's sort of a Guilliver's Travels plot. But the good part is that the story revolves around the characters actually discovering calculus, which means that they explain what they do and why, and go through proofs when they "stumble" across a principle that they're not sure about.
      It has traditional exercises at the end of each chapter, so you've got your homework right there too.

      I highly recommend this book.

      I also understand that "Algebra The Easy Way" is written by the same person and in the same style ( there are lots of references in "Calculus" to "when we discovered algebra" and so forth ), but I haven't been able to find it. Finally, the other books in the series are not like this -- they are traditional textbooks, dry and nearly useless.

    32. Re:books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This book was very helpful to me. I inherited code written by a guy with a math degree from MIT. So this book helped me figure what he was trying to do. The book is like a childen's book, but who cares.

    33. Re:books... by krysith · · Score: 1

      Browsing college bookstores and then buying the selections for the courses somewhere else certainly saves money. But here's what I do (speaking as a collector/reader/addict):

      1) Dover books! Cheap books by the authors that count! Dover
      See for example "Atomic Physics" by Max Born for $15!

      2) The best place to look for books in a college bookstore is usually not on the shelves. There is often a place where they have discontinued or otherwise "unsellable" books, and you can pick them up for a song. I picked up a great stellar nucleosynthesis textbook for $3 once.

      3) If you are looking for Tech-Oprah, most scientific societies (APS,ACM,IEEE,etc) have book reviews et. al. in their little magazines. These are brand new, so hence expensive. However, if you really need to know what good books are coming out in your field, they are there. Every once in a while, that $150 book is exactly the one you need...

      Cheers,
      krysith

    34. Re:books... by Angry+Pixie · · Score: 1

      I imagine everyone has a book list for their field. I certainly do in mine. The discontinued books at college bookstores are definitely a steal. I bought a couple of calculus text books as well as a physical chemistry book... why? I don't know. I love a bargain... shoes, books... doesn't matter.

    35. Re:books... by BWJones · · Score: 1

      I bought a couple of calculus text books as well as a physical chemistry book...

      Physical chemistry.......Aaaaaagh. You are bringing back bad memories of triple integrals.

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  3. Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. math: by Pandora's+Vox · · Score: 5, Informative

    zero, the biography of a dangerous idea by charles seife (sp?)

    the god particle, by leon lederman

    the particle garden, by someone whose name i can't remember.

    good math and good physics. enjoy!

    -Leigh

    1. Re:math: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your homepage link is broken. "/pvox/ not found on this server."

    2. Re:math: by RussHart · · Score: 1

      Completely agree on Zero, an excellent read.

      Another book I can reccomend, not so much science as Maths & Stats would be "Against the Gods" by Peter L Bernstien. Covers much of the history & timeline of it all.

    3. Re:math: by DecoDragon · · Score: 1

      It's probably been five years since I read it, so I don't remember a lot about "The God Particle," but I do remember finding it readable at the time. As I recall, Lederman walks you through a history of physics to the work at the time of publishing in search of "the god particle" the smallest bit (overly simplifying there). I like this kind of approach, because you see ideas build and it helps me understand the connections between concepts.

  5. Try Community College by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try enrolling in some night classes at your local Community College if you have the time. It's pretty cheap, and you may be able to get your employer to pay for it.

    1. Re:Try Community College by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you just want to learn more about the subject, why does a grade matter? It's not like they are going to lose their job if they get a bad grade in the course. (I am talking about the person in the article).

      If the school supported it, they could even audit the course. The price would drop significantly, and they wouldnt get a grade, but they would learn the material (which is the whole point of this post).

    2. Re:Try Community College by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 1

      The AC is right. I can't believe the elitest crap slashdot is spewing right now about this college and that. The worst thing is that the advice is contradicting itself. "Don't go to a CC, you can't transfer to an elite school. You should just go straight out of high school." It sounds to me like the original asker is already OUT of high school. Is slashdot's advice then to do nothing since its useless? Cmon folks. I back AC here. And as far as the mechanics and nurses comments...its only a matter of time until they ship ALL the jobs oversees, so I hope you know a service trade as well my friend.

  6. Application by schnarff · · Score: 1

    I wish I had something to offer you, but unfortunately, as a product of the California State Public School System in the 80's and 90's, I'm in much the same boat. I got taught a lot of rules and dates, not a lot of theory or application.

    Since this thread may well have people who can be helpful responding in it, though, I'd like to ask quickly: can anyone suggest any good books on calculus as it applies to the physical world (i.e. astronomy, music, etc.)? I've been told by many geeks that calculus is the math that's most applicable in the real world (besides arithmetic, of course), but I've never been able to see how that works.

    Thanks in advance!

    1. Re:Application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a rather difficult task, while calculus is directly applicable to the physical world, much of it is dependant on differential equations (a type of calculus equation, where one property of the is directly dependant on a sub-form of the same property). While there are many books on differential equations, as applied to practical problems such as sound (music), or bridges. They tend to require a lot of calculus basics. Essentially, in order to apply calculus, you must be as comfortable with its largely inapplicable boring basics, as you are with basic arithmetic. If you have no intention of ever using the math to actually apply these concepts, there is little point in learning it. It would instead be wiser to focus on books that teach the science behind everyday objects. Some good titles in that direction include 'The science of everyday life' (this may be out of print so check your library), Gleick's 'Chaos', and anything by Feynman. A book with more equations but also more science is 'The fundamentals of physics', this text is my personal favourite for basic physics.

    2. Re:Application by budgenator · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Public schools in the US never taught very much science as far as I can tell (michigan schools 60'a and 70's, we did some real science in our seinor year of HS), it was really more of a history of science, in which you were expected to learn a few of the principals along the way. Asimov's "The Endocronic properties of Theotimoline" (I think the title is close, but the last word probably miss-spelled) is completely fictional and actualy teaches more science than a year of public school does, its a good read to

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    3. Re:Application by gniv · · Score: 1
      I got all my Calculus outside the US, so I don't know of such books. However, there are many intriguing suggestions in this thread. What I would suggest is reading about the history of Calculus: the problems that lead to its invention by Newton and Leibnitz. This will give you a good understanding of its most common applications. An anecdote that I heard was that Newton was asked to compute the area of a weirdly shaped (curvy) piece of land. He used integrals, of course.

      From personal experience, I think having a good teacher that can explain Calculus intuitively is extremely important. Learning it from a book or from somebody who spits formulas at you is not the best way.

  7. Hawking by endquotedotcom · · Score: 4, Informative

    Stephen Hawking's "Universe in a Nutshell" is a good start on physics and relativity. I've never taken any physics and was able to understand it fairly well.

    1. Re:Hawking by Nolambar · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've tried to read "Universe in a Nutshell" but the first two chapters were dificult to me.

      Then i readed "A brief story of Time" and it's easier. I recomend it to introduce yourself into this "new" kind of physics, and then you can read the Universe in a Nutshell.

      If you want to study physics, i recomendo you to see the book from R. Serway. It's a little bit complex if you don't know calculus (derivates and integrals) but it's good in concepts and examples. I use it and i don't have yet any course of calculus.

      Nolambar von Lomeanor

      Luck doesn't exist, only chaos

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    2. Re:Hawking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've tried to read "Universe in a Nutshell" but the first two chapters were dificult to me. Then i readed. "A brief story of Time" and it's easier.

      Perhaps reading "English in a nutshell" could have been helpful.

  8. Re:goatse by Joey+Patterson · · Score: 1

    No, the correct logic is: 1 + 1 = 2 2 * 2 = 4

  9. Calculus Made Easy by DarkVein · · Score: 5, Informative

    Calculus Made Easy by Silvanus P. Thompson and Martin Gardner. This is exactly the sort of book you're looking for, in the subject of Calculus. To quote from the preface, on the subject of modern math textbooks: Their exercises have, as one mathematician recently put it, "the dignity of solving crossword puzzles." The purpose of this book is to explain the philosophy of Calculus, and teach you how to differentiate and integrate simple functions. I recommend reading the Preface in a bookstore, skimming the first few chapters. I think you'll like it.

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    1. Re:Calculus Made Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apostol's _Calculus_ is probably the best introductory calculus book I have seen. It proceeds rigorously, yet slowly, states and proves all theorems in the necessary generality. The best asset of the book is covering integration before differentiation, which is historically what happened, as well as making more logical sense. This book does not bother with "applications" or pretty pictures. It is a serious book and anyone who goes through it is very well prepared to take any undergraduate math class.

    2. Re:Calculus Made Easy by dtake · · Score: 1

      A book I used when I was learning calculus many moons ago was "Prof. E McSquared's Calculus Primer". Yeah, it's a stupid title for a book, but I found it helpful because many of the mathematical concepts were explained visually, which for me made a huge difference. The book reads a bit like a comic book, which may be a good or bad thing. That didn't matter much to me.

      According to Amazon, the current edition is called "Prof. E McSquared's Calculus Primer: Expanded Intergalactic Version". I haven't ever seen this edition so I can't comment on whatever changes they made.

    3. Re:Calculus Made Easy by kilraid · · Score: 1

      I bought the first volume of Apostol's Calculus recently, after learning probability theory from my bosses copy of the second volume. It is the kind of book that starts from set theory and builds everything on top of that. Lazy as I am, I have not gotten very far yet, but I have already started to believe that if you really want to understand mathematics, you must take the approach Apostol's Calculus is taking.

      It's a lovely book!

    4. Re:Calculus Made Easy by fiftyfly · · Score: 1

      Excellent book.
      Another, though in a slightly different vein is Theoni Pappas' The Joy Of Mathematics. Written for a younger audience it's composed of a series of 1/2 page problems & excercises. It's more a 'big book of crosswords^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^math puzzles' suitable for a larger audience.

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    5. Re:Calculus Made Easy by fiftyfly · · Score: 1
      "...composed of a series of 1/2 page problems & excercises..."
      crud that should be "1 & 2 page". You'd think one might learn to preview once in a while... <sigh/>
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      "Sanity is not statistical", George Orwell, "1984"
    6. Re:Calculus Made Easy by Hatta · · Score: 1

      What dignity is there in crossword puzzles? Always seemed like intellectual masturbation to me.

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    7. Re:Calculus Made Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, that was the point of the quoted material. Duh.

  10. Infinity by rf0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    One article that I found interesting A Guide to Infinity

    Rus

    1. Re:Infinity by WolfFang · · Score: 1

      Even better, IMHO, is "Infinity and the Mind" by Rudy Rucker, a very entertaining and thoughtful look at infinites.

  11. Isaac Asimov by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Any of his non-fiction books, and there's a ton. All subjects, from algebra to the brain to chemistry. (He even wrote about the Bible...)

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    1. Re:Isaac Asimov by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Any of his non-fiction books, and there's a ton. All subjects, from algebra to the brain to chemistry. (He even wrote about the Bible...)


      As an avid Asimov fan (fiction and non-fiction) I concur - his science books are fascinating.

      They would make great ebooks - especially since most are collections of short essays. I suggested that to one ebook vendor of his SF stories, and they said they'd look into it. Never saw them offer them, however. Guess I'll have to dig up my old paperbacks hen i get home.
      That's one problem with libraries - you read a lot of great books, and when you can finally afford to buy some of them, they're out of print.

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    2. Re:Isaac Asimov by Beowulfto · · Score: 1

      I second this suggestion. Asimov has great books out there. He is the second most published author in history and published books in all 10 of the Dewey Decimal System's categories.

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      There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes. -- Dr. Who
    3. Re:Isaac Asimov by Joey7F · · Score: 1

      So you would say that Asimov's nonfiction could lay the foundation for other books? I never knew he wrote non fiction. Just out of curiosity does the prelude come after the first few chapters?

      --Joey

    4. Re:Isaac Asimov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who's the first?

    5. Re:Isaac Asimov by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      Anonymous, of course.

    6. Re:Isaac Asimov by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      Or some chap called "Ibid" :o)

  12. ArsDigita University by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You might check out some of the materials on display at ArsDigita University, they have lectures online and a critique of each course, together with a list of texts...personally, Sispser's text for Theory of Computation was very helpful in explaining a lot of the higher-level CS Math.

  13. Math texts by plalonde2 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Math texts rarely manage to give insight into what's going on at a level sufficient to solve problems. The reason is that it's hard to get the insight until you understand the mechanics, and hard to want to get the mechanics without an understand - a nasty education catch-22.

    The solution that most math texts take then is to give you *lots* of problems/drills so that the mechanics get ingrained, allowing the insight to come later.

    When I screwed up my second year calculus course *really* badly (like 6% on the midterm...) I used a Schaum's Outline to get back on track (and eventually ace the final). It's main benefit is *heaps* of problems to work through. That made me a convert to the problems approach to math teaching.

    The key is to do all the problems, in order.

    That said, I can't really recommend one math text over another, just so long as there are lots of problems, and hopefully a solution key in the back for at least half the excercises.

    1. Re:Math texts by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I can't speak to high school, but at my university courses like calculus, physics and chemistry were "flunk courses". Courses designed to fail a maximum number of students. The professors had *NO* interest in making the subject interesting or accessable. As a whole the university (UCR) had a graduation rate of 60%, whereas the engineering college had an horrific graduation rate of 30%.

      There are several reasons for wanting to fail students, the most frequently mentioned is that theres "not enough room" in the upper courses. But the real reason is they are simply elitist bastards, they figure, "I had to go through it, you do to." The worst abuse I ever saw was a chemistry course I was in. 250 Students, the teacher spent the entire quarter lecturing about the heart medicine he was working on, and how steel refineries worked (his other interest). No problem -- if the tests are on heart medicines and steel production, but, he gave standardized tests and flunked 90% of the class.

      Flunk courses also create some strange strange acedemic relationships. For instance, I was getting 15s and 16s (out of 100) on my physics tests and, with the curve I was getting a nice fat C. The problem with this is two fold ... It sounds great right? get a 15 and get a C? First problem, I'm not getting the education I paid for. Secondly, it encourages cheating because all you have to do is "beat the curve". The thrid and most intriguing problem deserves its own paragraph.

      For me to get a C with 15 out of 100 points. That means, about HALF of the students scored worse then me. The students who scored WORSE then me *financed* my C by getting D's and F's. If they weren't the cannon fodder, *I* would have failed the course. Now here's where things get tricky. Sometimes, you are the sacrifical lamb, and sometimes you are the priest. If you are the lamb, you take the course over -- but this time you're the priest because you've taken the course before and it's finally starting to make sense. So the first timers are competing on a curve with people who have taken the course before. This wouldn't be a problem with a normal distribution of scores, but with poor instruction causing scores to center around 15%, that advantadge *REALLY* counts.

      So now that I've written a diseratation here, what I really mean is, in your post you assume that mathbooks are even designed to help students, when most of the time, they aren't.

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    2. Re:Math texts by drlock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reason is that it's hard to get the insight until you understand the mechanics

      I agree, I just finished 3 years of college level Calculus and Differential Equations. I found that I didn't really get Calc I until I was in Calc II and it didn't all come together until Calc III. Grade wise I did great in all three, but the 'why' of it all took a while to build. The more you use/practice it the more you will begin to connect the concepts and really understand.

      All that said, don't be discouraged from trying. I think a lot of learning comes down to your approach and attitude. When I study math I am constantly looking for 'how does this apply in the real world' and 'how does this fit with the math rules I know'. <rabit trail>The second is really important, there is a very exact framework of math laws, if you know the laws and can apply them, then you can hang everything you learn on that framework and it will make sense. Another tip: when the teacher is doing a proof don't space out, instead try and think ahead and predict where the teacher/author is going next with the proof.</rabit trail>. I sat through lectures and had everything make sense, but had friends come out of the same lecture and be totally lost. It is because they are looking to just pass, not to really dig in and understand.

      Now, as far as books go, the only ones I really know are the textbooks I have used. If you are looking for algebra try Saxon math (These text books are very popular with home schoolers, and for good reason). After a couple years with Saxon (Algebra 1/2, Algebra I, and Algebra II) I moved on to advanced high school math with text books published by University of Chicago. I thought both Saxon and U. of C. were good. I can't really recommend my college level text books. They are not too good, almost all I have learned I got from lecture. <rabit trail> People learn different, if you learn well from lectures it might be best for you to look for night classes at a community college. On the other hand, you may learn better from reading, in which case the classes would be a waste of time</rabit trail>

      Whatever you decide, best of luck to you, and remember, take the bull by the horns and CHOSE to enjoy it. No matter how good the book / teacher is, whether you learn or not really comes down to how you choose to approach it.

    3. Re:Math texts by ebuck · · Score: 1

      I agree that you could go about understanding math the way you have, but it's like trying to reverse-engineer the ideas of the founding mathematicians. Often, it is easier to just read their works directly. Here's a few names, should you need somewhere to get started.

      Euclid. Archimedes, Apollonius of Perga
      Nicomachus, Gilbert, Galileo, Descartes
      Pascal, Newton, Spinoza, Huygens
      Lavoisier, Fourier, Faraday

      I haven't read all of them, but they are on my list. Some deal directly with mathematics, and others with aspects of physics, but remember that the two fields have been spurring each other forward over the centuries.

      For those that are actually in classes, doing ALL of the problems in the textbook (not just the assigned ones) will nearly gurantee you pass far above your classmates and have a firm grasp on how to solve the problem at hand.

    4. Re:Math texts by Fungii · · Score: 1

      Just to note that any of the Schaum's books are really excellent - there are about 40-50 in all, on a huge range of subjects. From my experience if you see one of those books, pick it up because not only are they a lot cheaper than other educational books, but they are less formal.

      For example, the books are organised so you can read through the derivations if you want to - they are presented as separate problems like "Derive Stokes' Theorem" etc, and the chapters all begin with short expanations of the concepts.

      One thing to remember though is that these are definitely companion texts, so either take a class alongside them or read a wordy concept book, but doing examples is definitely the best way to learn, expecially in any applied mathematics field. Abstract matematics is very different, from my experience you are probably better off just sitting down and thinking about things like group theory etc, stuff like that tends to just 'click' after a while.

    5. Re:Math texts by Maul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I took a physics course at UCSD in a similar vein. The mean wasn't quite as bad, though as 30-35% was the average on most quizzes. The professor often went out on tangents, etc. and deferred all questions to his T.A., who was just as disinterested in teaching a bunch of Freshmen and Sophomores.

      I got a B in the class, something which was difficult to comprehend considering that I never got above a 50% on any of the tests.

      Looking back, though, it just depends on the prof. I took other physics classes where the instructers were better, and not surprisingly the class averages were much higher.

      I discovered that sometimes taking a class as quickly as I could or at a convenient time was not always the best solution if the professor was not considered to be good. Universities often put out ratings of their faculty and classes, and if you know where to look you can usually discover who is scheduled to teach what during a particular term far before registration time. Using this knowledge to get the profs regarded as being better can be helpful.

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    6. Re:Math texts by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If your professor is giving standardized tests and you're only making 15%, there's something wrong. Read the damn book, it's not that hard. 95% of professors only repeat whats out of the book anyway. The tests can't be the problem, cause they're standardized. The teaching's not the problem, because everyone gets the same book material. So....

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    7. Re:Math texts by craigtay · · Score: 1

      I had a similar experience. I bombed my first midterm with like a 40 percent. Then I came back with a 93 on the second midterm. Schuams outline is a really great supplement to whatever you get.

    8. Re:Math texts by NFNNMIDATA · · Score: 1

      Man I had the same deal in physics 101 or whatever. Wound up with a grade of 20, which was a D with the curve.

    9. Re:Math texts by ComputerizedYoga · · Score: 1

      In my studies here (Purdue University) I've had great and terrible.

      The great were in the physics and electrical engineering departments (I started in mechE and then changed to compsci/psychology). Physics 152 (calculus based mechanics, prereq differential calculus) was considered a "weedout" class -- that is, the people who can't pass it don't waste the time of the engineering programs, they change majors to something else.

      The prof for the class when I took it was a guy named Sam Harris. Great guy, always spoke loudly, always enthusiastic, and explained stuff, took questions, etc. The TA's were helpful too, as a rule. If you walked in with a basic understanding of the concepts detailed in calculus, there was no reason not to pass the class (I hit 95% or better on every exam, easily).
      The problem is, most people seemed to walk in with no real understanding of applied calculus, or the basic concepts of differentiation. First-take failure rate for the class when I took it was about 40%, and the cutoff for passing was below 50% of the total points.

      I partly blame our abysmal math department and partly blame the terrible math teaching in Indiana schools (I came from honors math in a school in the chicago suburbs, and had calculus before I had any idea what college I would go to--unlike any of my friends from this state who had at best precalc). There's so many people shoved through our math program, so many bad TA's and indifferent professors there that it sabotages better programs and students. I had 4 experiences in this math department (integral calculus, multivariate calc, linalg and diffeq), 3 were taught by grad students who were clearly non-native english speakers, and one was taught by a professor who seemed more preoccupied with his own research than the students who floundered in his class. The thought that these concepts are what goes into the bridges and planes and circuitry and buildings of the next generation of engineers, and that we can't teach fundamentally simple concepts to students, is somewhat scary to me.

    10. Re:Math texts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to record your issues with TeacherReviews.c om...you know...so some of the rest of us can be spared ;)

    11. Re:Math texts by aminorex · · Score: 1

      hehe. i took a relativity & q.m. class at the u of
      mn from one professor y.c.tang who regaled us with
      tales of studying under werner heisenberg as a grad
      student. i got 22% on the final, and an "a" for
      the class, by virtue of assiduous study and very
      careful notetaking. i'm guessing the mean was in
      the single digits. utterly bizarre practice.

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    12. Re:Math texts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, the only university in my fiancee's country in Eastern Europe is set up this way. It goes way beyond simply bad teaching. Most students are not expected to graduate, and things are organized so that sometimes required courses are not offered, or are only offered at the same exact times so it's impossible to take both. There are exams that no one passes for years at a time. I have to admit that the material certainly is at least as advanced as it is here in the U.S., but methods of instruction are not, so the only students who manage are those sufficiently motivated to teach themselves and/or leave the country for someplace with a better university system (in which case, they often do not return). This is a friggin' shame, and is widely recognized as one of the chief obstacles preventing this country from experiencing genuine freedom and prosperity.

    13. Re:Math texts by aggieben · · Score: 1

      this post is just begging for a response from someone who knows better...

      ..."flunk courses". Courses designed to fail a maximum number of students. The professors had *NO* interest in making the subject interesting or accessable. As a whole the university (UCR) had a graduation rate of 60%, whereas the engineering college had an horrific graduation rate of 30%.

      A) Regardless of what the professors do, you have to have a desire to learn it, or you won't. Period.
      B) Engineering/Hard Sciences is tougher than the rest of the subjects taught at the university. Naturally, the graduation rate will be below the university rate. Duh. Any university with a decent engineering college will experience this phenomenon.

      There are several reasons for wanting to fail students, the most frequently mentioned is that theres "not enough room" in the upper courses. But the real reason is they are simply elitist bastards, they figure, "I had to go through it, you do to."

      Um, the teachers may or may not have gone through the "same thing". The real reason is that there isn't enough room in the upper level classes: not enough teachers to teach the same number of upper level students as lower level students, not enough funding for equipment and to hire more teachers, not enough classroom space, etc, etc, etc. My university deals with this probably more than anywhere else except Ohio State, UT, and maybe 1 other. Our Engineering college alone is over 12,000 students. Another reason is that if they allow you to become upper level without a good understanding of fundamentals, you won't succeed anyway. The school gets a set amount of money to educate engineers. Why not set up a system that rewards those who show the most promise? If you can't get to upper level, chances are you wouldn't succeed in engineering anyway, and it would be a wasted investment on the part of the university (or the taxpayers, as the case often is).

      For me to get a C with 15 out of 100 points. That means, about HALF of the students scored worse then me. The students who scored WORSE then me *financed* my C by getting D's and F's. If they weren't the cannon fodder, *I* would have failed the course. Now here's where things get tricky. Sometimes, you are the sacrifical lamb, and sometimes you are the priest. If you are the lamb, you take the course over -- but this time you're the priest because you've taken the course before and it's finally starting to make sense. So the first timers are competing on a curve with people who have taken the course before. This wouldn't be a problem with a normal distribution of scores, but with poor instruction causing scores to center around 15%, that advantadge *REALLY* counts.

      Instructors don't "cause" scores. You (the student) do. It's way too easy to put the onus on the instructor for you to learn something. It's your responsibility to learn the material. Besides, 15% is a C? What kind of backyard school do you go to? I understand that in courses like engineering physics that people with low scores are going to pass, but the kind of curve I would expect is just a single (maybe 1.5) letter grade shift up. 50-60 is D, 60 - something is C, and so on.

      So now that I've written a diseratation here, what I really mean is, in your post you assume that mathbooks are even designed to help students, when most of the time, they aren't.

      Get a grip. It's nobody elses fault but your own if you didn't make it to upper level (ok, there are some extreme exceptions, but nothing you've mentioned here comes close to qualifying). Even learning from a book without an instructor is not all that terrible if the book is even halfway decent and you put some honest effort into it.

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    14. Re:Math texts by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      hehe, everything you've just said is complete bullshit. I don't need you to tell me about *my* educational experience, I lived it, and BTW, I graduated.

      My ultimate statement was that schools and text books sometimes have a vested interest in discouraging students, which you agree with.

      Lastly, we don't *need* to have an adversarial educational system, that's nonsense.

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      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

  14. Hurricane Calculus by screwthemoderators · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately I have no first hand experience, but on Public Radio "Science Friday" this subject came up and there were quite a few hearty endorsements for 'Hurricane Calculus'

  15. Computer Science Major says: "What's Math?!" by YoungBonzi · · Score: 1

    I seem to get by in math, but as far as understanding it goes, I just get over. I'm I really going to have to apply these advanced principals that I don't understand in the real world? If so I'm DOOMED!

    1. Re:Computer Science Major says: "What's Math?!" by Dan+Ost · · Score: 1

      You're not doomed.

      CS majors are required to take lots of math because it teaches them how
      to think in a certain way. Don't worry about understanding the esoteric
      stuff. Knowing it exists is sufficient to be able to look it up later if
      you ever do need it.

      There is, however, one exception: statistics. Knowing how to calculate
      and interpret meaningful statistics (and how to recognize non-meaningful
      statistics) is extremely important. Simply understanding the principles
      behind good statistics will help keep you from deceiving yourself about
      how well your code really works. Knowing how to generate good statistics
      will help you make your case in front of the business types (they don't
      necessarily understand statistics, but they don't, they will generally
      agree with your interpretation rather than expose their ignorance).

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      *sigh* back to work...
    2. Re:Computer Science Major says: "What's Math?!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Teach the Reps that they're morons and should go kill themselves.

    3. Re:Computer Science Major says: "What's Math?!" by YoungBonzi · · Score: 1

      LOL. The old "I'll just nod yes because I have no idea what he's talking about routine." Sounds like your field of work that one exception.

  16. For mathematics highly recommend 2 books by dydxjessedydt · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Foudations of Mathematics" by Denbow and Goedicke (old, but an amazing book for the understanding of most math concepts) "Mathematical Sorcery" by Clawson (More of a "evolution of modern math concepts")

    1. Re:For mathematics highly recommend 2 books by ChefInnocent · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that particular book & author, but I a similar book by Steve Grantham called "Discrete and Foundational Mathematics". The really funny part about math is you don't really learn how it works until much later. Most college courses designed for the lower mathematics really just spend most of thier time drilling. If you need to memorize 1*1 and 2*2, then that's what you might take. But if you really want to understand the concepts, I'd recommend foundational mathematics. For an even deper insight, but requires a great ability to understand abstractions, you might consider abstract algebra. It seems silly that our schools spend more time teaching how to memorize than how to understand. Then, only after you've proven that you can memorize stupid things like 1*1, 2*2, and the fundamental theorem of calculus, you get to learn why.

  17. Good textbooks are hard to find. by nuggz · · Score: 1

    They really are.
    One option is to ask someone who knows better, in HS my math teacher was always looking for books that explained it better.

    Find a topic, and pursue it, the local public/college/university library should have some decent books available for details.
    Also check the used bookstores, read the book a bit, many professors try to find the best book to explain the concepts. Used outdated books a revision behind tend to have the same quality, and the same information, just new page numbers and diagrams.

  18. maybe this will help me out too. by Ryokurin · · Score: 1

    you know, come to think about it. this could very well be the reason why I absolutely sucked at math but did exceptionally well in other subjects in school and today? I've allways been the type to understand something as long as it was easily explained to me. With math I always understood it in class but an hour later trying to do the homework completely a noob again. Been accused of being a slacker and all, and spend days totally studying math and still cannot get it.

    1. Re:maybe this will help me out too. by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're anything like me, I generally found math very frustrating and difficult, largely because there's so much memorization involved - and then to compound things, all the practice exercises don't give me much sense of reward or accomplishment.

      I'm not very good at memorizing things anyway. (I can't even imagine having to work as an actor or actress for a living, for example - unless I was only given bit parts.) With math, you can spend so much time and effort scribbling down rows and columns of numbers, and what's it all for? You end up with another lousy number. Then, when you check an answer key and realize it's not correct - UGH! It just makes me want to give up on the whole thing right then and there.

      To me, tracking down where you made a mistake is incredibly tedious and *boring*. One mis-placed parenthesis can get everything thrown off in a calculation - and it's not like writing software, where your compiler/debugger gives you some assistance with color-coding and pointing out exactly where syntax errors are.

      My father, who teaches math and physics for a living, once said that math isn't really any "fun" until you get pretty far advanced in it, past all the pre-calc and algebra, etc. etc.
      I think I understand that statement, as I think more about it. Only when you get deep enough into it do you start really gaining an ability to solve real-world problems with it, making it rewarding.

    2. Re:maybe this will help me out too. by Lord+Crc · · Score: 1

      Math is hard if you have to memorize all the things. Math is easy once you understand them, so you don't have to memorize them.

      I remember my classmates kept memorizing all the various varieties of the percent "formula" (part * 100 / whole = percent, percent * whole / 100 = part etc), for instance. Once you "get it", you don't have to memorize any of them, just the general concept, and you can just think your way to the formula on demand.
      Sticks much easier in the brain, cause the brain is better at remembering general concepts than exact things.

  19. Try history to gain an understanding of why. by KRL · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've always found it easier to learn something when I know the history of how/ it was developed.

    For math, I can definitely recommend "A History of Mathematics" by Carl Boyer

    For Physics I would recommend the Feynman lectures highly. In these, he mixes theoretical development with modern application.

    Not sure what to tell you about chemistry or other sciences!

    KRL

    1. Re:Try history to gain an understanding of why. by davidbaldwin · · Score: 1

      I also highly recommend "A History of Mathematics" if you can find a copy. It was published in 1968.

      The book provides problems that help illustrate the topic(s) covered in each chapter. Very helpful for real understanding. The target audience is entry level college, but written so anyone with an interest can readily understand the material.

      Another good book on mathematical history is "Mathematical Thought From Ancient to Modern Times" by Morris Kline ( 3 volumes from Oxford University Press, 1972)

  20. Most Universities... by OS24Ever · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...teach some form of 'Math 002' or Science 101 of some kind. Find your local university and see if they have a weekend/evening program (if you're working) and then go to it, work hard. reading books for betterment is a good thing too, but sometimes it helps to have someone to talk to about it.

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    As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.

    1. Re:Most Universities... by FuzzzyLogik · · Score: 1

      ya, and if you're just in it for the education and all that, most community colleges offer a "community enrichment" program.. you pay SIGNIFICANTLY less to take the classes and you get no credit for it, but, again, you get to take the class ;) i'm doing it next summer for autobody repair and painting :) shouldn't cost me more than $1000 for every class there ... that's pretty good, when one class would normally cost me close to $800 or so otherwise :)

  21. What is Mathematics? by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just got a copy of this and it seems really good so far. It also got good reviews on Amazon.

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  22. Suggestions for Math and Physics by CBNobi · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are "for Dummies" books that cover many of the topics you've listed. I was never fond of them, but you may want to take a look at them.

    The biggest problem when you're undertaking a self-study endeavour is that most books that are available are either
    - Very specialized topics (What does pi mean?)
    - Refresher-course books (Lots of problems, few explanations)

    The specialized topics books - commonly reviewed in magazines such as Scientific American - are fun to read, but I'm not sure if they serve the purpose of what you're seeking.

    How much of algebra do you know? If you can look through the table of contents of a textbook for Algebra I and II and are confident in all the topics, then I'd move on to geometry/trigonometry before calculus.

    Also, keep in mind that conceptual physics texts are divided between algebra-based and calculus-based reasoning. Take whichever you're more comfortable with.

    Some 'refresher-course' books that will come in handy with the conceptual books that others may suggest:
    Schaum's Outlines
    Research & Education Association's Problem Solvers series
    CliffsNotes and SparkNotes

  23. textbooks are references, not teachers by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The problem is, most textbooks are not designed to convey an understanding of the subject, but to squeeze in all the 'facts' required by state law.

    The problem is, most textbooks are designed to be companion references, with all the 'facts' squeezed in so the teacher can spend time helping everyone understand the concepts etc. The two work together.

    Simple answer is, you need to take adult education classes. I left college barely half-way through, and ended up taking night classes- intro to calculus was one; another was an intensive Economics class. I found them worthwhile; I probably would have enjoyed the class more if I wasn't young enough to be most of the other student's kid(you would fit in FAR better, from the sounds of it.)

    Without the classes, you don't get the benefits of peer learning, in-class interaction("Did everybody get that?" [blank stares] "Heh, ok, let me explain it a different way...") the discipline that testing creates, nor the resource of having a Really Smart Person(professor) to go to when you need help. There are also other benefits- making friends(you're probably all in similar 'boats' so to speak, so people socialize pretty readily), and networking. My old boss decided to do part-time classes for an MBA, and got a lot of networking out of it(granted, those were business classes, more prone to networking activities, but you get the idea).

    1. Re:textbooks are references, not teachers by fermion · · Score: 1
      I agree completely. Text, especially as one advances in education, assume that the learner has more back and have more outside resources, and therefore become much more dense. In earlier grads the problem is the range of material is so broad that nothing in explained in depth. This is a particular problem with Jr. High science texts. As such, taking a class in math is a very good idea, if you have the time and if it is consistent with your goal.

      OTOH, it sounds like one of the big goals is to help you kid, and there may be a simpler way, assuming that you kid is not yet in college. One side effect of the No Child Left Behind Law is that most states, and most school districts, have a very precise set of objectives for students, as well as many practice and release tests. Also, due to the fact that teachers must now be well qualified in the content of their chosen subject, most states have very precise objectives along with practice tests for teachers. The later may also come with a relatively short set reference texts.

      What this means is that for whatever subject your child is going to take, you can look up, usually online, the state mandated objectives. You can also probably talk to your child's teacher about getting the objectives for the district mandated curriculum. You can then use the objectives, along with the reference texts, to learn the material. If there are objectives your are unclear on, I am sure your kid's teacher can recommend a book.

      As for a specific book, I would recommend Div, Grad, Curl and all that by Schey. It is an application based vector calculus text so assumes that the reader has some knowledge of calculus, vector algebra, and physics. In many ways it is exactly what you are looking for, albeit probably more advanced that what you need know, as it focuses on the application of electricity, and how the mathematics is used to describe it, and does not try to cover everything or get the reader lost in details. It looks like there is a new edition published in the 90's, as well as the original edition published in the 70's.

      Also, anything in the Gonick Cartoon Guide series would be very useful.

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    2. Re:textbooks are references, not teachers by Efreet · · Score: 1

      I'd agree for most textbooks, but the Giancoli physics textbooks seem to be written well.

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  24. The Mathematical Universe by GrEp · · Score: 1

    The Mathematical Universe:

    by William Dunham

    It was the first math book I read in high school and I loved it. It is available for $19.95 at www.bn.com It covers a broad area of mathematics with 26 chapters from Arithmatic to Z(The complex plane). Along the way it talks about Riemann, Newton, Euler, Gauss, and many others. Also, it talks about some of the famous problems. Great book.

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    1. Re:The Mathematical Universe by muon1183 · · Score: 1

      Sorry about being nitpicky (sp?), but the complex plane is denoted C, whereas Z is the set of integers (comes from the German word for integer).

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    2. Re:The Mathematical Universe by GrEp · · Score: 1

      More specificaly it talks about e^i(PI) +1 =0, and the derivitive of z^2 +4z -2i.

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  25. Maths book by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    "Mathematics for the Million" by Hogben, Lancelot.

    Note that it is not ".. for the Million s "

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  26. Understanding Physics, by Isaac Asimov by ScuzzyTerminator · · Score: 1

    Nothing better for easy reading but comprehensive coverage.

    Volume 1 - Motion, Sound, and Heat
    Volume 2 - Light, Magnetism, and Electricity
    Volume 3 - The Electron, Proton, and Neutron

  27. Try The Teaching Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You need the check out The Teaching Company. I've gone through a a number of their courses on CD, and they've all been superb. I just recently finished their World War II course, and I'm currently doing the Foundations of Western Civilization. Given you're question, you'd probably want to look at their Science & Math offerings. I did the Joy of Science course last year as a refresher for all that stuff I'd forgotten since high school and college, which sounds kind of like what you're looking for. (I've no affiliation with The Teaching Company other than being a satisfied customer.)

    1. Re:Try The Teaching Company by scrotch · · Score: 1

      I'd like to second this. I haven't checked out any of their Math or Physics lectures yet, but have sat through 30+ hours of very watchable videos and a few hours of audio tapes. Some of their stuff seems expensive, but it's all more or less equivelent to auditing a college course from a very good professor.

    2. Re:Try The Teaching Company by Comrade+Pikachu · · Score: 1

      I'll third it. I've ordered 7 courses so far, and they've all been worthwhile. Being able to listen to a college course during my commute, rather than the moronic, hate-filled radio has been a godsend.

      The Teaching Company's selections tend towards the Humanities, but mathematics and science are also available. I can recommend "Einstein's Relativity and the Quantum Revolution" with prof. Richard Wolfson.

  28. University Book Store by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Go to the nearest university book store, or even just find the web page for a universities math department and find the text book for the subjects you want and order it online.

    I don't think very many text books just give you a equation and say use this. My HS was a poor ass sucky redneck school and didn't do that, we just didn't have much of a variety in subjects. Also I think saying books just do what the states require only applies to states with said systems. Many, maybe most, just say you need to have a class in this that and the other thing.

    Also once you get into learning the hows and whys of lots of math you will see why people tend to just want the equation, far less frustrating and confusing for learning. Learning how to do it and then going back for the why is often better for subjects like math. Same for say engineer, it seams a whole lot more fun till your actualy doing it and find out 99% of it sucks big time and is not what you think engineers do.

    One book to stay away from if calc. is you game is Thomas Finny, that book sucks beyond belief.

    1. Re:University Book Store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to the nearest university book store, or even just find the web page for a universities math department and find the text book for the subjects you want and order it online.

      I have to agree with this. Find out what books they are using in college classes, then go buy the book from half.com or used from Amazon. Even better if you buy an old edition because you won't spend much money at all.

      Then work your way through the textbook. Don't feel you have to solve every problem. Learning is often more about knowing where to find the answer in a book than memorizing lots of facts. So just read for basic understanding and work out the problems in areas that interest you.

      Don't be intimidated by working through university level texts on your own. You'll be amazed at how much more easily you learn as an adult who wants to learn instead of a child/teenager who is forced.

      Of course, don't forget the library of any local university. Most of them offer free or low-cost library cards to non-students.

    2. Re:University Book Store by Bob-o-Matic! · · Score: 1

      I took calculus in high school, using Finny and Thomas (in that order. red hardbound) and aced the ap exam. Two years later I was looking to refresh my math while serving in Korea, and I picked up Thomas, Finny (in that order, blue paperbound) at the Kyobo bookstore (6th floor) in Seoul (Chong-no, 3-Ga subway station), and I was very disappointed. My high school text was much better, even though the authors were the same.

    3. Re:University Book Store by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 1

      I had the 9th edition, the book is full of errors and in general just does a piss poor job of explaining and giving solid examples. I had to use it for 3 college classes. For unknown reasons my university still uses it.

      I didn't have a HS calc book, well I didn't have any math books since like 9th grade since my school couldn't afford them. Also school didn't have AP classes and didn't know i could take an AP exam without taking a class till way after the fact. Having to re-learn all your math basicly once you get to college because your HS sucked is not fun.

  29. *A Brief History of Time* by Chasing+Amy · · Score: 1

    It's certainly not about the "fundamentals" of math and science, but I have to say that the book that did the best at explaining physics and cosmology to a humanities geek like me was *A Brief History of Time*. Hawking filled it with simple explanations and allegory, and in the tradition of *Flatland* managed to explain hard-to-grasp concepts to everyone.

    It won't help you learn "the basics" in terms of math and science, but if you want to understand the theory behind complicated cosmological principles, I highly recommend *A Brief History of Time*. It would even be a good introductory read before you delve into the math-filled complexities of textbooks and such, because it might open your mind a bit toward understanding the math better if you understand the principles behind the math first.

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  30. Barns and Noble is your best firend by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

    go and brows their math and science section. while it will be hard to find books on the basics, they do exist.

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  31. Calculus Texts by CBNobi · · Score: 1

    If you're still concerned with algebra, this won't come in handy until later in your studies.

    Keep in mind that during the 80s-90s (I think), there was a revolution of sorts in the way calculus was taught in colleges. Professors supporting this reform movement wanted students to understand the concepts instead of memorizing the formulas.

    Sounds good, right? Only in concept (no pun intended).

    To truly appreciate this reform, you'd need to take classes where this curriculum is being used. Just picking up a textbook using this method will probably confuse you, as it's not suppemented by the teacher's explanations and other methods of instruction.

    That said, here are some common textbooks used in calculus courses today. While I know you'll probably be doing a lot of self-study, just having a regular textbook is helpful for obtaining practice problems and clarification.

    James Stewart, "Calculus"
    Finney, Weir, Giordano, "Thomas' Calculus"
    Hughes-Hallett, "Calculus" (Don't buy this - it's full of horrible explanations, imho)
    Larson, "Calculus with Analytic Geometry"

    1. Re:Calculus Texts by robDCX · · Score: 1

      Amen to the Stewart book. I've used it for Calc I and II, and will be finishing it up during Calc III this fall. It's great! If you have a solid basis in Trig and Algebra and are willing to put some effort into the process, you can learn a lot from Stewart's book either alone or in combination with a good instructor.

    2. Re:Calculus Texts by digitalhermit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Keep in mind that during the 80s-90s (I think), there was a revolution of sorts in the way calculus was taught in colleges. Professors supporting this reform movement wanted students to understand the concepts instead of memorizing the formulas."

      The concept of "new math", and the resultant ill effect on thousands of mathematics students, was a corruption of some really good ideas. There's no doubt that some bureaucracy was at fault in this madness. They took the idea that mathematics students should not only think about the "how", but also the "why", and corrupted it into the notion that students really don't need to learn their multiplication tables or memorize trigonometric identities. It was tried before in the 1800's, the 1900's, and recently in the 80's and early 90's. Every single time the message of learning "why" got corrupted.

  32. Learning by NEEDING to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I couldn't get the hang of trig when it was presented to me from dull books by a public servant but when I was learning how to be a machinist and actually doing things with, say, sine bars, it made a lot of sense.

    Calculus with a lot of real-world examples would be great.

  33. Re:Tubgirl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's more like physics. Force equals mass times acceleration (F=MA).

  34. Relativity Visualized by Bonker · · Score: 1

    Relativity Visualized

    by Lewis Carroll Epstein.
    (ISBN 0-935218-05-X)

    This guy explains relativity concepts and the ideas behind those concepts without making you understand eight yards of derivative calculus. The theories are presented in a visual style so that even a novice, unitiated reader can get them. He then goes on to explain the consequences of those theories and details how they effect the universe, again with the unitiated reader in mind.

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  35. Fun math book by xlilacx · · Score: 1

    Try "The Number Devil: A Mathematical Adventure". It's a cute book suitable for both children and adults that gets into various math concepts and patterns (fractals, Fibonacci sequence, irrational numbers, etc..) by explaining them in the context of a story.

  36. Ohanian Physics by kickabear · · Score: 1

    This book breaks all subjects down, and starts explaining each of them in terms of a single point, or single atom. Then it expands each topic out to the real world, ending with real, practical examples of how the topic affects the physical world.

    This may be the best book on physics I ever read.
    The author's full name is Hans C. Ohanian. Enjoy!

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  37. non-traditional... by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

    Feynman introduced his sister to astronomy by giving her a college text and telling her to read from the begining till she couldn't understand what was going on, then start from the begining again. (I think this was in his "What do you care..." book.)

    I ran across a number of softcover books in the mid 80s that were basically stories where the protaganist was dropped on an island with amnisia, and he had to help the islanders (or countryman) solve various problems that ultimately involved most of the major areas of mathematics including basic algebra, trig and calculus. Some plane geometry and I would not be surprised if there was some Boolean algebra as well. You were expected to follow along and do some of the work as well. These were in fairly large format softcover, similar to college text workbooks. (8.5"x11")

    Good luck.

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  38. Strong Foundations by ddorsey443 · · Score: 1

    As an engineering student in the U.S., I have found that most foreign students seem more adept with the basic foundations of mathematics, especially algebra. I attribute this to the fact that that most American students are not introduced to the basics of sets and mappings until far too late. For me, I found one book in particular to be very useful in helping me to get a firmer grasp on algebra and functions which are indispensible for fully grasping calculus, differential equations, and systems later on. The book is called "Applied Algebra and Functional Analysis", by Anthony N Michel and Charles Hergert. As for Calculus, I found "Calculus Made Easy", by Martin Gardner to be very helpful as a supplement to most of my texts in college.

  39. GEB by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 1

    I highly recommend Godel, Escher, Bach -- An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter. I've only read it coming from a math-saturated background, but as it gives the background on how all of basic number theory works, it might actually be a good place to start.

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  40. Feller in probability by arivanov · · Score: 1

    None as far as I know in Calculus (it is usually too engineering oriented), not even think of algebra. Numerical methods - ROFL. So on so forth. If there are any readable ones they are by physicists..

    Still, one exemption comes to mind. It is the finest textbook of all in probability theory. Feller. Note - it is probability theory and applications. No fscking statistics. Amazon has it .

    In btw, when reading the rant in the introduction keep in mind the emphasis which in the US (and some other countries) is put on statistics without proper knowledge of probability (and how many stupid things people do as a result).

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    1. Re:Feller in probability by elusus · · Score: 1

      Feller's books on probability often turn many modern students of math off. His language is very representative of "classic" texts. But he succeeds in three ways: he gives plenty of examples which motivate the theorems and definitions, he includes formal proofs, he includes exercises with answers. It is the best formula for teaching mathematics, but it is so rarely emulated.

  41. The Teaching Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need the check out The Teaching Company. I've gone through a a number of their courses on CD, and they've all been superb. I just recently finished their World War II course, and I'm currently doing the Foundations of Western Civilization. Given you're question, you'd probably want to look at their Science & Math offerings. I did the Joy of Science course last year as a refresher for all that stuff I'd forgotten since high school and college, which sounds kind of like what you're looking for. (I've no affiliation with The Teaching Company other than being a satisfied customer.)

  42. At some point you have to just accept the 'facts' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When it comes down to it we don't know everything.

    The base upon which most science is built, save for math which is pretty much a mental exercise, has a bit of uncertainty.

    We observe the real world. Then we try to describe it, preferably mathematically. It says nothing about why it works, nor does it ensure that our current description is correct. Just that as far we know that's how the world is.

    And strangely, I still find more comfort in this than god.

  43. Anything by Douglas R Hofstateler. by bons · · Score: 2, Informative

    A list of his books

    Since what you're looking for is about as broad as the universe, I figured I'd point you to the man who set me straight back in 8th grade. Godel, Escher, Bach not only taught me much about the arts, sciences, and mathematics, but it rekindled a passion for learning that the education system had done it's best to beat to a pulp. And that's a passion I still have today thanks to him.

    1. Re:Anything by Douglas R Hofstateler. by RPoet · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry if t his is a "MOD PARENT UP!!1" post, but it's very true. Anyone should read "Godel, Escher, Bach". Hofstadter is extremely clever at conveying a natural understanding for things. It's one of the few non-fiction books I've not been able to put away :)

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    2. Re:Anything by Douglas R Hofstateler. by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I love hofstadter, don't get me wrong. I've read everything he's written in the english language. But I don't think this is what he's looking for. Hofstadter offers great perspective, but little that is actually useful for doing anything.

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    3. Re:Anything by Douglas R Hofstateler. by screamingPants · · Score: 1

      Beg to differ. Hofstadter's work is pretentious and often the well-organised rantings of someone who knows very little about a lot of things. I have met Mr. Hofstadter and was thoroughly unimpressed by his approach to things academic, particularly to music. He is an expert at taking other people's work and discussing it at such a length as to make it appear to the reader to be *his* work. Furthermore, what really irked me is that he honestly believes he knows a lot about music, yet I was convinced --even within a few minutes of talking with him-- that his knowledge of music is the superficial knowledge of an amateur music lover, not a scholar or an academic. I have heard similar impressions from colleagues in the fields of linguistics, mathematics, and computing theory.

      So avoid Hofstadter for the amateur that he is. Go read some real science.

      BTW for those who are interested, the title of one of his books is "Le Ton Beau de Marot". For those who haven't read the book, the title refers to a French poet, Marot, and is a play -- in French -- on the word "Tombeau", which means "tomb" and "Ton Beau" which means "Beautiful Sound". Hofstader's explains this in careful detail to the reader to demonstrate the difficulties of the French language. Bravo, Mr. H. on your linguistic prowess. I wonder, however, if anyone pointed out to you that it really should be "Le Beau Ton de Marot", as "Ton Beau" is not the correct word order? Duh. Kinda fucks up yer title, don't it, Dougie?

    4. Re:Anything by Douglas R Hofstateler. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Hofstadter's work is pretentious and often the well-organised rantings of someone who knows very little about a lot of things.

      Really! Is he related to JonKatz, by any chance..?

  44. I learned plentyfrom my teachers... by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and very little from the books.

    I suppose it depends on the type of learner you are, but frankly, I imagine seeing and using the information being delivered to me. Rather than simply "knowing" the things I learned, I understood them and used what I learned to add more peices to the puzzle I call "reality."

    In more simple terms, everything you (should have) learned should be assimilated into the way you operate within your environment. Ever heard "you use it or you lose it"? There's a lot of truth to that.

    Rather than try to get what you missed from books, perhaps it's time to make a much more grand display by going back to school. It doesn't have to be thought of as "remedial" but rather as a "brush-up" or simply continuing education. If you show your children that learning only ends when you die, their minds will be open for life with the expectation that they can grow and improve themselves at any point in their lives... not just during the beginning phases. By the time they reach it, "middle aged" will be 50-something anyway.

    Best advice? Go back to school and pay attention this time.

    1. Re:I learned plentyfrom my teachers... by michael_cain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This comment raises a good point -- different people learn things differently. Some do well by reading, some do better if they can listen. What situation fits you best? While I can learn and have learned math strictly from a textbook, I find that it is easier when I can listen to someone doing the explanation while I look at the figures and/or equations. If you're a person who needs to listen, definitely look into a local community college. Try to find out about the instructor first, though -- I've seen very good CC instructors, and some that are terrible.

      Other small points. If you're doing it on your own with a book (or books), make sure you've got problem solutions available to you; that provides a quick check when you've misunderstood something. And if you have a friend who can give you an occasional tutoring session when you get stuck, take advantage of it. Many people are frustrated teachers deep down inside, and get a real kick when they can see the "lightbulb go on" for someone.

    2. Re:I learned plentyfrom my teachers... by witts · · Score: 1

      I respect your post, but I couldn't disagree more. I realize this is a personal thing and there is no right or wrong, but I always felt sorry for people that went to much more expensive colleges than I did. The way I saw it, at least some of the books used at both colleges were the same, and most instructors were not that helpful. End result: I got the same education as my peers at a huge discount. On the other hand, if someone is like yourself, books don't count for much and the instructor is key.

      I previously worked a job that required a lengthy exam. Most of my co-workers went to a private local college and had huge student loan debts. I went to a different state university that is probably 40% cheaper. I smoked nearly everyone on the test, prompting me to wonder if my co-workers can get a money-back guarantee with their diplomas...

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  45. Science books for adults by quibble123 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mastering Technical mathematics, by Norman Crowhurst A Tour of the Calculus, by David Berlinski The Calculus Tutoring Book, IEEE The Feynman Lectures in Physics (3 vols), Richard P. Feynman Asimov on Chemistry, Asimov on Physics, by Isaac Asimov e - The Story of a Number, by Eli Maor I didn't get much education in high school, and ended up supplementing many college textbooks with the books above, among others. For Calculus, there is a book called "The Concept of Limits" that is an excellent guide to the first hurdle encountered by students of calculus, but I can't remember the author. Good Luck!

  46. A Tour of the Calculus by metal_llama · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A Tour of the Calculus is a particularly comendable book. It only covers the more basic tenants and theorems of Calculus, but gives you an immense sense of the power behind such theorems and of the near-glacial process which has formed them and the calculus as a whole. Reading it gave me a much deeper understanding of the particular topics it covered, as well as the Calculus and math in general.

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  47. EXACTLY, This is what I need. by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    I need something like this as well, my math sucks.

    Why dont some of you open source programmer geniuses write some math E-Software?

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  48. Must read math book: How To Lie With Statistics by IvyMike · · Score: 1

    Not only a good book, but so useful that you'll be applying it the next time you open a newspaper: How To Lie With Statistics by by Darrell Huff. Please, do yourself a favor and at least read the reviews on Amazon.

    1. Re:Must read math book: How To Lie With Statistics by frisket · · Score: 1

      I had a similar problem with stats and the author of my stats package recommended MJ Moroney's "Facts from Figures" (details) [Pelican/Penguin, London, ISBN 0-14-020236-6, originally 1951 but reprinted a gazillion times]. Huff's book is excellent but Moroney's is the classical book on stats for the non-statistician.

  49. Chemistry by littleghoti · · Score: 1

    For chemistry, I recommend 'Uncle Tungsten" by Oliver Sacks- not too heavy on chemistry, but great to read. His other books are fantastic as well.

  50. That doesnt help by HanzoSan · · Score: 1


    I'm in community college, let me tell you that this wont help, the reason why it wont help is because the goal will still be to get a good grade, pass your tests, and learn the knowledge you need to do this.

    Now, if you can find a class which ISNT graded, then yes its a good idea, and I'll take math as long as it doesnt ruin my GPA if I do bad.

    Otherwise I'm just going to avoid calculus, and all that crap so I can have a GPA over 3.0.

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    1. Re:That doesnt help by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is the point of avoiding difficult but important classes simply to preserve your GPA? Are you in school to get an education or to simply achieve some arbitrary GPA? I've been in the position of hiring people for technical positions and I've always been far more impressed by a mediocre GPA in a substantial curriculum then a high GPA in an easy curriculum.

      I recently returned to school myself, so I do have sympathy with amount of work required to do really well in a course, and I do understand that those planning to continue to a four year school or go on to graduate school need to match minimum requirements, but in my opinion you'll be better served by reducing the number of classes you take in a given term then by trying to ditch the challenging courses.

    2. Re:That doesnt help by dcollins · · Score: 2, Informative

      Okay, I'm going to overlook the fact that the primary poster of the thread is pursuing personal edification, and not a particular educational track, so the fact that grades are given doesn't seem to be a relevant concern in his case.

      Let me see if I can be helpful in this sub-thread. I'm an adjunct faculty member at a community college, I've taught for going on two years now. I'll speculate that I'm teaching in the same region you're going to school, based on the 4-year institutions you're looking at.

      If I could give one crucial insight to my students, that I usually have to bite my tongue on, it's this. 4-year schools have expectations which are an order of magnitude beyond those of 2-year community colleges. My biggest challenge in teaching now is to take my experiences at a 4-year (state) school and dial them way down to a level where my students can pass the course, with some getting A's. Maybe my two best students in a class of 20 seem to be doing work that would be appropriate at a 4-year school.

      I would encourage you to not shy away from any courses at a community college. The hardest class in your school will be just a taste of what you'll be asked to do at any 4-year school. You need to find this out about yourself, if you can function at this level, sooner rather than later. If you're worried about passing a math course at a community college, the honest truth is, Harvard is not in the cards. My guess is that a school like Harvard is not going to distinguish much past "4.0 or not 4.0?" when looking at a GPA from a community college.

      Not to say that other colleges you mention are not a possibility. I write quite a few recommendations for my students to go to Northeastern and BU, but even those are generally just my "A" students.

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  51. Probably not exactly what you're looking for... by johnjay · · Score: 1

    These might seem ridiculously old, specialized, or classical, but I remember liking them a lot and really getting a lot out of them.

    Math-
    Geometry: Euclid - The Elements. You probably don't need to learn geometry again, but your kids might, and the proofs are very well done and worth reading if you've never seen them. You don't have to read all of the books (there are 12 (or 13? I don't remember)). You could probably find a suggested course of study on the web site of the University of Chicago, Harvard, or St. John's College.

    Probability: William Feller - An Introduction to Probability Theory and it's Applications (2 volumes). It's a bit expensive since it's nearly out of print, but very well done. You could probably find it used on abebooks. There aren't enough problems per chapter, but if you search the web you can find plenty of problems (Harvard teaches a class on this text and they have problems on line).

    Number Theory: I remember that in college we read an essay on "Continuity and Irrational Numbers" by Richard Dedekind (found in Essays on the Theory of Numbers) that was very good. I have never taken a class on number theory or anything like that, but I found the essay very interesting and not too much work (a few days of reading, maybe a week tops).

    I can recommend that you DON'T waste your time with Calculus by James Stewart. It won't kill you, but there must be better text books out there.

    Science:
    Physiscs:
    Relativity The Special and General Theory - Einstein. Not too hard, actually, and you could almost certainly find a class, lecture, or study group that's working on it if you didn't want to tackle it by yourself. There are also all sorts of books that help explain it (Amazon lists tons) if you just want a study guide.

    Eight Lectures on Theoretical Physics - Max Plank. Lectures 1, 3, 5 & 6 work together to explain quantum theory and Plank's constant. They aren't all that hard, mathematically. There are a few equations per lecture, but not too many, and their generally pretty well explained in the text. You might need a friend who knows math to explain a few of them.

    Genetics is probably not a field that you're interested in, but The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley are both very good. If you're not sure if you are interested, read The Selfish Gene first. Then, if you find you like that kind of stuff, you can move on to The Red Queen.

  52. Handbook of Modern Electronics Math by jwjcmw · · Score: 1
    I picked up a book many years ago when I was messing with some electronics stuff called Handbook of Modern Electronics Math by Sam Cowan. It is part of a series of electronics reference books put out by Prentice-Hall. Using calculus and trig to figure out circuit problems made a lot more sense to me than any of the examples I had in high school.

    Here is a amazon link.

  53. Erwin Kreyszig "Advanced Engineering Mathematics" by duckpoopy · · Score: 1

    I have found this book to be very helpful. It covers a very broad array of topics: linear algebra, trigonometry, calculus, complex analysis, differential equations, statistics .... There are numerous engineering related examples and problems so that you can get an idea of the applicable domain of each subject. I think there would be something in this book for readers from high school level through graduate school.

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  54. John Allen Paulos by kurosawdust · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hope I spelled his name correctly - read his books Innumeracy and Beyond Numeracy, excellent introductions to practical mathematics and advanced mathematics, respectively. I tutored math in college, and by *far* the best way I have found to explain calculus to students who "just don't get it" is using Paulos's "driving on the turnpike" analogy.

  55. Proofs from the Book 2nd edtion by GrEp · · Score: 1

    I just remembered another.

    Proofs from the Book

    by Martin Aigner, Gunter Ziegler, Gunter M. Ziegler, and Paul Erdos(In spirit)

    The book goes through artistic proofs in many areas of mathematics. Proofs from the Book shows that math is beautiful if we take the time to find simple explainations with ingenius arguments.

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  56. In the same boat... by TygerFish · · Score: 1

    Interestingly enough, there's a remaindered book by Berlinski called, 'the advent of the algorhythm' which I found very helpful.

    Although its main concern is mathematical logic, Berlinski's explanations of the thought behind the numbers is a nice thing to have. His book makes you think about numbers--about what a numbers really are and how they work.

    The book's actual math is broken up by sections of very well-written prose that offer relief when the mathematical ideas leave you feeling hollowed-out and brain-fried.

    The advent of the algorhythm is not an easy read without a big math background, but it did a lot to bring me a new understanding and appreciation of what is there in math.

    I don't like Berlinski's conclusions, the main point of his book, but the what he teaches along the way is great stuff.

    I hope this helps.

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  57. consider the Great Books... by ubiquitin · · Score: 1

    If you're looking to answers to the question "why?" it shouldn't suprise you that you're not alone. Since the beginning of time and throughout the ages, the human mind has confronted the same questions. My best advice is to read the original thinkers, the ones who first came to an understanding of whatever subject matter you pursue, as this is closer to the natural course of human understanding (in opposition to the textbook fact-collection approach which you mention.) The Thomas Aquinas College curriculum includes four years of mathematics, from Euclid to Dedekind and Lobachevsky, and for physics, you cannot outdo Netwon's Principia Mathematica and original treatises by Maxwell and Einstein. So if you really want answers, consider chatting with the instructors there, and/or the purchase of a Great Books set.

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  58. Physics and Algebra texts (online and off) by gnurb · · Score: 1
    I'm not sure of your level, but these should be approachable by anyone with a basic high school background

    Physics:
    Motion Mountain Physics free text-900 page pdf which seems pretty damn good, I found it about a month ago.
    Feynman Lectures On Physics
    Basic Physics: A self teaching guide

    Algebra:
    Practical Algebra: Algebra from the beginning
    Linear Algebra free text-I'm going through this book right now to supplement the god-awful text we're using in my linear algebra class at college.

    History of Math/Fun
    Zero: The Biography of a Dangerous Idea- I really liked it. It's a short, fast moving, entertaining account all about zero and the history of mathematics.

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  59. Thanks, I ordered the book by HanzoSan · · Score: 1

    What a wonderful price too, I can really use this book.

    Now I must admit my algebra skills on the upper level (linear algebra and upper level algebra) is kinda weak.

    Hopefully this book will teach me calculus without forcing me to memorize hundreds of formulas.

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    1. re: Thanks, I ordered the book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This book was written early last century by a mathematician looking to spread the good word, making it easy for a more general audience. This probably would have gotten him hung by the math community, and I believe up until his death it was published anonymously. This explains all the concepts, and the revisions in the recent addition attempt to bring it up to more modern notations and such.

    2. Re: Thanks, I ordered the book by Neop2Lemus · · Score: 1
      I gotta agree with the above comments. The book is excellent. It does, however, get a little difficult towards the end as he approaches complex topics (i.e. Integration by parts if I remember correctly). These topics are perhaps a little too advanced to be approaced simply, as in his book. Excepting that, brilliant...

      IMHO there is still not a decent substitute for a properly taught math course at a college nightschool. Thats kinda hit and miss though (you could get a not-so-good teacher). I'd read the book and then do the course.

      The only decent textbook which can be self taught from that I've found is Calculus: Preliminary Edition by Deborah Hughes-Hallet and Andrew M Gleason. Pub by John Wiley & Sons, Inc. Dont forget to pick up the answer manual. Printed on acid free paper too.

      Physics: read Feyman and then do a course, absolutely do the course.

      Also Issac Asimov's 3 books Understanding Physics. They are full of lucid explainations (though not as good as Feyman's) If you read those you still won't be able to do physics afterwards. Application is something totally different...

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    3. Re:Thanks, I ordered the book by Cyno · · Score: 1

      Studying mechanical physics, or the differences between position, velocity and acceleration while I was studying calculus helped me grasp the main concepts behind it, rates of change.

      Once you get that you can apply it to so many things in real life, even though you may never need to use those calculus formulas. Driving a car, for example, is an excellent way to apply calculus in real-time. We do it all the time without even thinking about it. :)

    4. Re:Thanks, I ordered the book by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Calculus Made Easy by Silvanus P. Thompson and Martin Gardner. is excelent for understanding calculus, I read it before I took calculas in college, and understood what I couldn't do. My algebra skills really weren't good enough to take calculus so if I hadn't studied Thampson & Gardner, I'd have now idea what calculas was.

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  60. Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    For math I recommend "Calculus" by Michael Spivak. It is seriously misnamed, it should be "Introduction to Real Analysis". It clear, well written, though dense. It assumes nothing, starting with the definition of numbers. Some 600 pages later you'll have covered about half of a math degeree from a non-technical university.

    If you liked that you should do the other half of standard mathematics. I recommend "Algebra" by Bartel Leendert van der Waerden. After Spivak you'll have enough background. If you can make it through van der Waerden you'll know more math than most professional physicists.

    I can heartly concur with the posters who recommended "The Feynman Lectures" they are brilliant.

    For a more complete study I recommend "The Berkeley Physics Course" in 5 volumes.

    1. Re:Books by C+Joe+V · · Score: 1
      A Warning: I agree that Spivak's "Calculus" is a good book, but I wouldn't start with it if you don't know any calculus already.

      I learned calculus from Douglas Downing's Calculus the Easy Way (I can also recommend Algebra the Easy Way and Trigonometry the Easy Way by the same author; all are published by Barron's), before I studied it in high school. Three years later as a college junior (at one of those elite private institutions) I took an analysis class that used Spivak as the text, and I remember thinking "Hey, this is all the same stuff as in AP calc, but it's ten times harder now!"

      The Spivak book was great for turning a working knowledge of calculus into a deeper understanding of what makes the real numbers what they are. But math "newbies" may find it discouraging. YMMV.

      CJV

  61. Dover Publications by 4/3PI*R^3 · · Score: 1
    Dover Publications is a great resource for cheap books. Dover has made a great reputation for themselves taking out of print books and putting them back into publication. If you are looking for Science and Mathematics knowledge that is not cutting-edge stuff, I'll bet there are dozens of books with more information that you'll ever need in Dover's Science and Mathematics section.


    Most Dover publications are available directly through Barnes & Noble and Amazon.

  62. Physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Elegant Universe by Brian Green

    It's a great physics book that mainly focuses on String Theory but starts at a pretty basic level from Newtonian physics to quantum mechanics. Good for someone that is just curious about physics and for the person that considers themselves fairly savvy in the area.

  63. History of Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is an academic discipline known as "History of Science". The writing is often entertaining and accessible.

  64. The Dover Books by 010_digital_100 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The mathematical/physics books put out by Dover Books are decent. They give you a good overview and background of the subject. The subjects range from Number Theory, Information Theory, Magnetism, Mathematics, Physics, Probablility,etc.

    In each book, there is a bibliography of the sources that it used, in case you want to do additional research on the subject.

    As an added bonus, each book is less than $15, and they can be picked up at any Barnes & Noble. So its worth picking up to see if you are interested in a certain subject.

    Hope it helps, I've enjoyed them.

    010_digital_100

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      Looks like someone beat me to the post...that's what I get for using the "Preview Button".

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    2. Re:The Dover Books by digitalhermit · · Score: 2, Informative

      The mathematical/physics books put out by Dover Books are decent. They give you a good overview and background of the subject. The subjects range from Number Theory, Information Theory, Magnetism, Mathematics, Physics, Probablility,etc.

      The Dover books are usually inexpensive, and some are good references. As a text for the non-mathematician, they're probably inappropriate. What they do cover is usually in depth but also don't pull punches. For example, the opening chapter of "Modern Algebra" jumps directly into set theory without a good treatment of reals, naturals, integers, etc.. Yes, the whole point of the chapter is to introduce these, but talking about isomorphic and abelian groups in the initial pages to a math neophyte is perhaps not the best approach.

    3. Re:The Dover Books by 010_digital_100 · · Score: 1
      I agree with you, but it depends on the author as well. Some of the books are written so that almost anyone can understand who has an interest, others are written for a more mathematician crowd.

      One of the books that I enjoyed was the Dover book on Information Theory. I think it was written in a style that most non-mathematicians could understand....but then again, I am an EE grad student...so my opinion might be a little off base.

      But I do agree with you...a mathematical background when reading the Dover Books can't hurt.

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    4. Re:The Dover Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to disagree with this. I've got a car trunk full of physics books, and I've seen exactly ONE dover book that was worth using as something other than a doorstop (Goodstein, States of Matter, I think). They are quite cheap, but I generally felt like I got screwed even at the price.

      For overall physics, decide whether you want with/without calculus, and start hitting university bookstores. I've seen some that would have giant end-of-semester sales which included the previous editions of textbooks. Not much in a general physics book will change from year to year.

  65. Saxon Calculus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went to a small private school where I more or less studied advanced subjects (like calculus) on my own. I went through the Saxon Wang Calculus and Trigonometry With Analytic Geometry my senior year. With that knowledge, I was able to test out of Calculus 1 and 2 when I got to college. I was recently able to get another copy of it off ebay for about 28 bucks. Great beginning calculus book that's full of examples.

  66. college texts, not hs texts by blackcoot · · Score: 1

    honestly, if you do end up buying a text book, i'd buy a college text book, because with the exception of the text books i used in my ap classes (which were all college text books), my high school text books universally sucked hairy goat testicles.

    better yet, if there's a college nearby, why not see about taking a "101" class or two as an extended studies student... many employers have plans set up for continuing education, so it may even be cheap for you ;-)

    just my $1/50

  67. Two Calc Books by Capitalist1 · · Score: 1

    There are two books for Calculus that I particularly recommend. The first has been mentioned above several times already:

    Calculus Made Easy
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/ -/0312 185480/qid=1059865111/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-943995 5-4464720?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    and the second, which I haven't seen mentioned yet, but which I consider much more important:

    Calculus: An Intuitive and Physical Approach
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det ail/-/0486 404536/qid=1059865826/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-943995 5-4464720?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    The "intuitive and physical approach" really means exactly that. Calculus is developed in the book as the necessity arises to solve certain problems, just as it was developed (mostly) in the first place. Not only that, but the math is continually related back to actual problems, which keeps the concepts from floating off into the academic fairy land where math and logic become nothing more than manipulating scribbles on paper by arbitrary rules.

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  68. Mathematics: A Human Endeavor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  69. Re:Erwin Kreyszig "Advanced Engineering Mathematic by vip223 · · Score: 1

    ... and at over 3 inches thick, this wonderful book also makes an excellent doorstop ;)

  70. Must read books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want an easy introduction to some scientific priciples and want to read a funny story at the same time read the "Science of the Discword" books by Terry Prattchett... very funny and very informative. You get alteranting chapters of story and science.. they ecplain the formation of the world and all kinds of stuff in an pretty easy to understand way... A definate read!!!

  71. suggestions by andy666 · · Score: 1

    Larry Gonicks "Cartoon Guide to *" are good. I particularly like the one on physics.

    I am a mathematician, but I don't know any good textbooks to recommend. "A mathematician reads the newspaper" is a good read though.

  72. There Are No Electrons by Kenn Amdahl by hauntfox · · Score: 1

    is a fun book. It explains the basic physics of electricity and electrical devices in a very entertaining way. Check it out here:
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail /-/0962 781592/qid=1059866050/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-366266 4-1016845?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

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  73. Why do people ask these book questions here? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    Amazon already has user ratings on books... just type in, oh, say "chemistry for dummies" and you'll see that it gets a 5 star rating, AND you'll get links to "Customers who bought this book also bought..."

    Alas, "differential equations for dummies" found no titles. (I always liked the "why" of double integration - "say you are in a room filling with poisonous gas, which is heavier than air, coming from a pipe in the center of the ceiling... Where is the best place to stand to live the longest." Heh, my answer is "outside the room!")

    Ask Slashdot, and you'll likely get the same information, just sorted on a different "key", but I guess that's what you wanted...

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  74. Time for public education reform (long rant) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The quality of public education (altough this isn't the case everywhere, I suspect its the case in most places) needs to be addressed.

    I am a student in high school, I have found the burden of education being shifted from the school system to the student. I don't mean the studying part, thats always the student's responsibility.

    What I mean is that to get a good education, you really can't depend on the school system at all to get a good education. The textbooks are not at all good enough for really learning the subject, so students have to spend their precious time getting tutoring, reading other books, or asking other people.

    The textbooks don't explain the concepts well, examples that don't help, and too much off-topic content that has nothing to do with the subject (mostly politically correct garbage to appease state and local textbook review boards).

    Teachers are problematic too. All it takes to get a teaching job in Texas is a degree in education (there are other ways, but this is by far the most common) and pass some teaching "certification".

    We have teachers who are teaching but know very little about the subject, or only know what the book says. For basic/intro classes, this usually isn't an issue, but higher level classes (AP science classes, Physics, Calculus, Statistics, etc.), you really want a teacher who knows the stuff.

    Does a teacher nessicarily need a physics degree to teach AP Physics? Not nessicarily, in my opinion. I just think that the teacher should have a good college background in science. The same applies with Math. Someone who has background in Math, Engineering, or CompSci would be much better than someone with an 'education' degree because that person will have gotten a decent math background and the ability to think and apply it in a way that students will be able to learn better.

    1. Re:Time for public education reform (long rant) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And with the "free" public health care that's coming, we can expect the same stellar level of quality. It will be poetic justice when those Socialist fornicators and sodomites have to get on a two-year waiting list to have their abortions and sex change operations.

  75. My favorites by digitalhermit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm looking for books that don't just tell me an equation or a concept works, but also explain *why*. Would you please list books that have helped you gain a greater understanding of the basic concepts of algebra, chemistry, calculus, physics, and other core areas of science.

    This is broad. My own list that you might find useful (or not):

    algebra -- a good introduction is Earl Swokowski's "Fundamentals of Algebra and Trigonometry". It's often available in used book stores, campus book sales, etc.. It is a text book, though, and you may or may not enjoy this method of learning. If you want more of an overview of math, take a look at Paulos' "Innumeracy". If you want some lighter reading, try stuff by Martin Gardner.

    calculus -- builds upon algebra so you need to know your algebra, especially limits, before you tackle calc. Know the limits well because it will help in many ways. I often refer to Elliot Gootmans' "Calculus" from Barron. For fun, also try "A Tour of the Calculus". Many chapters in "A History of Pi" are interesting (and approachable) also. Stay away from the Dover books until you have a pretty good grasp. They're cheap, but their approach is sometimes a little heavy-handed.

    physics -- Feynman's "Six Easy Pieces".

    For general reading, also try:
    Godel, Escher, Bach (Douglas Hofstadter)
    Islands of Truth (??Ivars Peterson??)

    BTW, I'm a big proponent of using mathematics software as an addition to traditional study. There are programs such as MuPAD, GnuPLOT, Octave and Maxima that are available for free that can really help in the understanding of concepts. Many people are more visual so a graph is eminently useful.

  76. Stephen Hawking by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 1

    If you want a general and very accessible introduction to relativity, time, etc. in terms of physics, you might want to check out Stephen Hawking's excellent books A Brief History of Time and The Universe in a Nutshell. He explains the basic history and principles in various areas of physics, and goes into theoretical stuff like why time is pear-shaped, etc. Some of it is pretty out there, but the style of writing is very enjoyable and you can get a lot out of both books. They're a lot of fun to read, and really get your mind going on the possibilities.

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  77. 2 Semesters of Calculus. What exactly is calc ? by LouSir · · Score: 1

    What a great topic. Almost 20 years ago I did everything I could to just get through calculus. Now, I have no idea what it even is at all. Nothing. I might as well have never taken it. But, as I grow older and wiser, or just older, I feel the need to learn this as well as some basic chem and physics. I think I will take a look at some of these books. Thanks, Lou Sir

  78. Chemistry / Physics by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    The Cambridge Guide to the Material Universe is a wonderful book describing what is the Physics and Chemistry of matter.

    Unfortunately what is covered in far too many popularizations of phyics is the high energy stuff that either very abstract or does not really pertain to common experience. Not so the material covered in this book.

  79. calculus isn't that easy, but... by hiaips · · Score: 1

    --_Calculus Made Easy_ might be a good book for a beginner. Understanding what differentiation and integration are is absolutely crucial (more so than being able to calculate the "derivative of ...", imo). The only way to accomplish this understanding is reading through a ton of examples and applications as well as explanations which will offer several points of view (grahical, analytical, geometrical, algebraic, etc.) on how to conceptualize these important concepts. After that, I would get a book explaining how calculus is applied to physics in particular to see some of the mathematical constructs "in action." --If you're rusty on algeba, brush up on it first, because you really can't do calculus without algebra. --For physics, I would recommend Feynman's _Six Easy Pieces_. After than, you might try reading some of the Feynman lectures or _Six Not-So-Easy Pieces_...basically anything by Feynman is good.

  80. My High School Math Program (IMP) by Not+Quite+Jake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The math program I was a part of in high school, at Whitney Young Magnet School in Chicago, was called IMP, or Integrated Mathematics program but it could have just as easily stood for Interactive Mathematics Program.
    Basically the way it was structured was that instead of the traditional math program where one learns algebra the first year, geometry the second, trig the third and then moves onto precal, we learned a litte bit of each every year.
    Furthermore, instead of them just shoving facts down our throat and saying here, memorize these (such as all the proofs from traditional geometry) we were actually guided along in discovering them for ourselves.
    Every problem was given to us in word problem format. Each unit, which represented a major concept such as the quadratic equation or some of that other stuff, was presented as one big word problemm and it was broken up into smaller pieces which slowly led up to the solution of the actual problem.
    So instead of coming out of it with simply memorizing the quadratic equation, pythagorean theorem, pi, geometric proofs and the like, we were actually able to discover these on our own.

    It's just too bad the teachers weren't all that great and the program didn't much fit into the "flash/bang" you need to know this information right now that most high school classes are based around. God forbid students actually understand and can apply the information they are learning.
    I also can't seem to recall who published the books we used but I'm sure a bit of googling can solve that.

  81. Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by Cordath · · Score: 4, Informative

    Douglas Hofstadter won a pulitzer for this little gem. This is a fantastic book to read for anyone remotely interested in the mathematical principles behind some of the more glamorous aspects of computing. Hofstadter's "Achilles & the Tortoise" dialogues are a frequently hilarious tribute to Lewis Carol that remain some of my most favorite things in print.

    If you're lacking a basic understanding of algebra then this book may be a tad over your head, but if you can get into it you will find it immensely rewarding.

    P.S. Algebra? ALGEBRA?!!?? You made it through college without algebra?

    1. Re:Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by iLEZ · · Score: 1

      Hear hear! Made me realize that math is everything, and got me into high-school,
      from having had a special teacher in math the first year in school.

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    2. Re:Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by quasi_steller · · Score: 1

      No, he said he made it through college without a thorough understanding of mathematics. Anybody who hasn't taken an abstract algebra course (most college students) probably doesn't have a thorough understanding of algebra.

      My suggestion? If you want a good understanding of algebra then read an introductory abstract algebra texbook. Lots of proofs and helps you understand algebra and number theory much more. (Besides it's a load of fun! Ok well maybe its only a load of fun if your into that sort of thing.)

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    3. Re:Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by ccarr.com · · Score: 1

      This is my favorite book ever, but I would not hold it out as a general-purpose math tutorial.

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    4. Re:Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      Anybody who hasn't taken an abstract algebra course (most college students) probably doesn't have a thorough understanding of algebra.

      Hehe. With an MS in Mathematics I doubt that I've even got a basic understanding of algebra. Somewhere around Algebraic Topology the stuff actually becomes useful. And well outside my own understanding :-(

      For a given destination, there are several routes possible, some (much) easier than others. It is usually possible to solve any kind of problem without what is usually considered necessary to solve it.

    5. Re:Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GEB is an excellent book. The original poster was asking for the "why" (in very broad terms of field). For what it covers, GEB leads the reader to the "why" in way that no other book does. It is not an "easy read", but if you participate in Hofstadter's fun, you come away very much for the better in understanding.

    6. Re:Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      For a given destination, there are several routes possible, some (much) easier than others. It is usually possible to solve any kind of problem without what is usually considered necessary to solve it.

      On a test long ago, I solved a calculus problem (that would have required several steps) with simple geometry considerations. I received a "0" for that question ... not because the answer was wrong (it wasn't), but because I didn't arrive at it in the way the teacher wanted. Regardless, I was pleased that I saw what was (to me) an easier way to solve it. And, in the end, I did get an "A" in the course. :)

    7. Re:Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by daveq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "little" gem?

      I shudder to think what would qualify as big.... There's a tradition of starting GEB and never quite managing to finish it.

    8. Re:Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Does one ever really finish GEB? I've read it cover to cover twice, and I'm still not finished.

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    9. Re:Godel Escher Bach - An Eternal Golden Braid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, it's perfectly understandable that his highschool (and maybe even college) professors never even touched, say, abelian groups. Most math majors don't

  82. Re:Isaac Asimov -double ditto! by dogugotw · · Score: 1

    This man could make any subject accessible. Good stuff.

    There are a series of books that have titles beginning 'The cartoon guide to...'. More really well written books.

    Best of luck - enjoy.

  83. Re:Erwin Kreyszig "Advanced Engineering Mathematic by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

    There's also another text of the same name by C. Ray Wylie and Louis C. Barrett covering differentila equations, numerical methods, oed, fourier series and intergrals, laplace transforms, etc. (I never took the second part of the class :D).

  84. Physics by Inquiry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Reading most/any traditional text isn't exactly the best way to go about things. Just so you don't think I'm talking out my rear, I am a High School Honors Physics/Calculus teacher (M.S. Physics and B.S. Math).

    Anyway, I'd suggest using an Inquiry Physics texts - Here The Physics Education Group at University of Washington presents Physics/Physical Science/Math from a purely hands-on/experimental method. The Physics by Inquiry texts are designed to teach teachers who are not traditional science teachers (elementary and high school) and are written in a very clear and precise manner.

    They are broad in material (traditional physics/physical science/astronomy all using applied math) and every experiment relies mostly on things you can get around the house.

    --Tim

  85. How Stuff Works by JojoLinkyBob · · Score: 1

    Check out How Stuff Works

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    -jc
  86. "Journey Through Genius" by purplejacket · · Score: 1

    I found this book by William Dunham to be (inexpensive and) a readable account of some of the greatest discoveries in mathematics throughout history. I'm a math guy by training so I've been used to the circuit of class-homework-test for learning math but I found that a story format was very entertaining. For instance, the proof of the pythagorean theorem which is discussed in chapter 2 of the book was state-of-the-art back in Pythagoras' day, so even though it's something taught early in high school, at one time it was something the world's top intellectuals had to unravel. And the later chapters of the book are not inaccessible either. I think none of the book even goes into calculus. So overall it's an easy way to become involved in some of the historical gems of mathematics.

  87. Re:goatse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 + 1 = 2 * 2 = 4, therefore 1 + 1 = 4. I'm a genius!

  88. Try Mathematics for the nonmathematician by rafemonkey · · Score: 1

    Mathematics for the nonmathematician by Morris Kline is a great intro. It covers the basics up to integral calculus, with nice peices on probability and set theory. Kline takes a historical aproach,showing how and why each topic was developed, also each chapter is fairly independent, so you can pick and choose the parts that are of interest. I've got the dover edition, and it's ISBN is: 0-486-24823-2

    1. Re:Try Mathematics for the nonmathematician by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only one person suggested Mathematics for the Nonmathematician by Kline?

      An excellent read, broad coverage, entertaining stories and occasional goofs by the author (for modern, postnational readers). Kline's book does a solid job of conveying the motivations pushing mathematics through history. Reading this book inspires the desire for more specific, technical reading.

      A quote from the preface:

      I believe as firmly as I have in the past that a mathematics course addressed to liberal arts students must present the scientific and humanistic import of the subject. Whereas mathematics proper makes little appeal and seems even less pointed to most of these students, the subject becomes highly significant to them when it is presented in a cultural context.

  89. ... the Facts aren't what's -really- important by SunToucha · · Score: 1

    Especially if you are looking to -suppliment- an education system that is based on "here is a TYPE X problem ... you solve it this way with this algorithm ..."

    I suggest books such as Proofs from THE BOOK. Firstly it deals with topics outside the -regular curriculum- but whose problems are easily explained to (and understood by) just about anyone. "Graph Theory" ... simply put "connect-the-dots". "Combinatorics", well that's just "counting things".

    This book is particularly good as it offers, in many cases, more than one proof for a given problem, looking at problems in different creative ways to find elegant solutions. Feynman was a huge advocate of this (see the "Cargo Cult Science" chapter in his book Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman!

  90. Math and Logic by miu · · Score: 1
    I've found a few books with a good mix of theory and application.

    "Calculus - An intuitive and physical approach", Morris Kline.
    Very useful self-teaching intro to calculus. Gives some great notes on different notations.

    "Introduction to mathematical philosophy", Bertrand Russel.
    Gives you some very good tools for how to think about mathematics.

    "Mathematical logic", W.V. Quine.

    "The pleasures of counting", T.W. Korner.
    Gives natural applications of math and how to decide what tools to use to solve those problems.

    "Math toolkit for real-time programming", Jack W. Crenshaw.
    How-to recipes for math primitives and how to use them to build up to advanced applications.

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  91. Find a tutor/mentor by Ninja+Programmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given that you, yourself, are not very math/physics savvy, text books alone may not be enough. You might easily end up in a situation of the blind leading the blind when trying to help your kids. Understanding math/physics will often go beyond what any textbook can tell you. You might do a lot better from a person you can interact with who can see how well you are grasping a concept.

    If you literally want to go to the trouble of hiring a tutor, then you'd get him/her for your kids obviously, but I don't know what to recommend for adult education. Given the current economy I'm sure the tutor might be willing to help you out as well in a package deal. :)

  92. www.woodenbooks.com or www.walkerbook.com by Sjobeck · · Score: 1

    I heard something on NPR the other afternoon about a new series of books (ie: seomthing like 50 so far & counting) that are none longer than about 50+ pages. The main point is that each concept is covered on one page, so the math book is 50 concepts on 50 pages. This does not exactly answer the question answered, but it is a very nice tangent and, from the sounds of it, very nice books. I'm going to go buy some for myself now. Jason

  93. Dover Books by Mooncaller · · Score: 1

    They publish a large selection of math and science books. Most are reprints of some of the best works on their subject ever published. Because they are reprints, they are relativly cheap. I am currently extending my math background to include graduatle level stuff. I have spent less the $70 (US). That is less then just one current textbook.

  94. Prof. E. McSquared's. . . by kfg · · Score: 1

    Grade A Original, Fantastic & Highly Edifying Calculus Primer

    http://www.profemc2.com/flash/profMcSquaredV1.0. ht ml

    It's a hoot, and you'll actually learn calculus.

    Read "A tour of the Calculus," by David Berlinski concurently. I brilliant and superbly written English exploration of the subject. You'll never look at math the same way again after reading this book.

    For Physics, start with Nick Herbert's "Quantum Reality" for Quantum theory and Steven Weinberg's "Dreams of a Final Theory" for the quest for the Theory of Everything.

    These two books are the only popular books that that get their respective subjects right. Accept no substitutes. After you read these you can read the other popular titles without being led astray.

    Throw in Leon Lederman's "The God Particle" for good measure. It won't teach you physics but it's a good look at the life of an experimentalist, a sadly parched literary field.

    As for Algebra, well, as my Psychology professor used to protest, it's a motor skill. You have to sit down and work problems with a paper and pencil. Work enough of them and think about what it is that you're doing at the time and you'll figure it out on your own.

    Schaum's Outline Series title " Modern Elementary Algebra" should do it for you. But you have to put in the work.

    For other stuff I'll agree with things others have posted. Feynman's "Six Easy Pieces" and his classic "Lecture" books. Damnably expesive. Worth every penny. You'll treasure them forever. You won't hand them down to your kids because you won't be able to bear to part with them. This makes them even more expensive because you'll have to buy a copy for each of them.

    And finally, every nonfiction work Isaac Asimov every wrote. They're priceless. They're also cheap in paperback. Especially if you pick them up used. They're all over the place. Hunt around and you can get them for something like a dime apiece. Try the Salvation Army. Honest. I've found some there.

    KFG

  95. I disagree. by bgalehouse · · Score: 4, Informative
    I could never do that. I need the explanation of why and always have. Quite frankly, I can't be bothered to learn facts without understanding. Furthermore, I claim that this need to understand relationships is absolutly key to being a scientist or mathematician.

    Real math involves proofs. In fact, for mathematicians that is the definition of mathematics. The rest is "just" application. Since the original poster is complaining about the lack of explanation why, I suggest that he look into proofs and other creative aspects of real mathmatics. If you haven't learned that math is a creative art you haven't learned jack. Ok, so I'm opinionated, but this is slashdot and what else is new.

    Anyway I suggest that anybody of any age interested in math check out equations and wff-n-proof from the wff-n-proof people.

    Regarding books, he had a vague request so I'll make some vague suggestions. Springer Verlag publishes lots of great mathbooks, as well as quite a few not so great. Some of them I can even read, and they do have a some series and books advertised for undergraduates. Look for yellow in any self respecting University library or technical bookstore.

    Actually, going through a university library or bookstore is probably the best advice I can give under the teach a man to fish philosophy. Learning to go through a stack and pick out books that are readable but challenging is basically the secret to scholarhood. That and faith in the fact that once you've ground through one the rest will be a smidgen easier.

    Oh, and you can also check out the math section of Cononical Tomes I made a few contributions when it first started, and would assume that it has only grown.

    1. Re:I disagree. by forgotmypassword · · Score: 1

      Regarding books, he had a vague request so I'll make some vague suggestions. Springer Verlag publishes lots of great mathbooks, as well as quite a few not so great. Some of them I can even read, and they do have a some series and books advertised for undergraduates. Look for yellow in any self respecting University library or technical bookstore.

      Bwa, ha ha, ha ha, ha, ha

      If you can learn from a yellow bound book without the help of a professor, then you don't need any help.

      ***IANAM BIAAP. I only own seven of their books, which is probably not a representative sample***

    2. Re:I disagree. by Fungii · · Score: 1

      This is just the kind of attitude that really annoys me - what you are saying is "I don't need examples, I can just read the theorem and I will be able to apply it to any example you give me". I'm sorry, but that is complete bull. Math is all about examples, examples tech students all the different and clever *nonobvious* ways in which a theroem can be applied. Theorems are designed to be as concise as possible, and that is precisely what you don't want if you are trying to learn a subject.

      Admittedly examples probably won't get you very far in very abstract mathematics, but where examples are hard to come by clear explanations can fill the gap.

      Oh, and your remark about needing to understand instead of doing examples makes absoloutly no sense - examples are designed to help you understand. Quite simply the best way to learn is by practicing. Examples are precisely what help you learn these relationships you talk about - I could sit for hours listening to someone talk about some abstract concept, but I'm about 100 times more likely to remember it if I do a good few well designed problems. At the start of all my classes in Uni the lectures always say that the people who do the problem sets every week are the ones that pass, and from what I've seen they are right.

    3. Re:I disagree. by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I could never do that. I need the explanation of why and always have.
      I doubt that. Ever learn to eat? Or walk? =)

      I'll acknowledge that you are much more motivated to learn the WHAT if you've a notion that a WHY will follow, but I'd suggest that you CAN'T learn the why without first learning the what. For example...in 1776, the United States declared its independence from England. Why, you ask? It's impossible to explain WHY without first explaining WHAT occurred in the years leading up to 1776. I'm not saying you must have recall knowledge of those events (ie have them memorized and know them cold) but you must have at least recognition knowledge (as in "oh, yeah, those taxes.") To give a more mathematical example:
      Solve -3x+8=20. Solve for x. Why does x have that value? Your answer may involve arithmetic. If so, why does the arithmetic work? Your answer may involve properties of the real number field. If so, why do those properties exist? Your answer may (if you've done serious undergraduate work in math) involve Peano's postulates. Why do those postulates work? Now you're beyond me. Yet to have an satisfying intuitive understanding of why x=4 in the above equation, you needn't be too concerned with anything beyond the arithmetic. You've mastered the WHAT (as in what to do when faced with an equation like that) without having a deep understanding of WHY.

      Real math involves proofs.
      This is true, but I doubt the fellow with the question is interested in real math. Quite frankly, the proofs are a hindrance to understanding the mathematics. Proofs are often the result of hundreds of years of mathematical development. Consider calculus and the limit theorems involved in the proof of derivatives. I can explain to a ten-year-old why the derivative of X^2 is 2x, and I can utterly convince him that it can't be anything else, but I can't prove it. Why? Because proofs involving infinitesimal quantities require a fair bit of knowledge of limit theory*.

      Practical math should be more than "Here's 50 problems of progressive difficulty," but it needn't involve proof. An intuitive demonstration suffices for most people; those who demand proof are generally capable of producing it given the clues in the intuitive development. Otherwise, there'd be no progress in mathematics. Mathematicians begin with an intuitive notion of how the mathematics should work and go on to proof. Intuition yields conjecture yields proof.

      *Not entirely true, actually; google for hyperreal numbers - they formalize the notion of infinitesimal numbers and make Leibniz's dx/dy approach mathematically valid.

    4. Re:I disagree. by stephanruby · · Score: 1
      Wanna know why, read Auto Fundamentals: "How and Why of the Design, Construction, and Operation of Automobiles." by Martin W. Stockel

      I am not into automobiles, but this particular book is so well written it reminded me a lot of Professor Feynman.

    5. Re:I disagree. by KiahZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I read the grandparent correctly, he wasn't saying that problems were dumb. He was saying that understanding the idea behind the problems before attempting them is a better way of learning for him. When I was back in high school, Calculus came pretty easy for me, but I remember some of the kids having problems doing the examples. The problem was that after they got the hang of one type of problem, they would get the next type of problem (say, differentiation), and not understand what to do. Since my teacher focused on rote techniques to teach things, when we moved from simple problems like differentiating x^2 to relatively nasty ones like x^3*sin(x)/(2*x). Since they didn't really understand *what* they were doing with the simple examples, they got way over their heads when they hit the uglier stuff. The best thing for me was having a friend that explained what I was *actually* doing when I did the techniques, so that when I got to the nastier stuff, I still understood what was going on.

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    6. Re:I disagree. by KiahZero · · Score: 1

      Repost with proper formatting (stupid misclick):

      If I read the grandparent correctly, he wasn't saying that problems were dumb. He was saying that understanding the idea behind the problems before attempting them is a better way of learning for him.

      When I was back in high school, Calculus came pretty easy for me, but I remember some of the kids having problems doing the examples. The problem was that after they got the hang of one type of problem, they would get the next type of problem (say, differentiation), and not understand what to do.

      Since my teacher focused on rote techniques to teach things, when we moved from simple problems like differentiating x^2 to relatively nasty ones like x^3*sin(x)/(2*x). Since they didn't really understand *what* they were doing with the simple examples, they got way over their heads when they hit the uglier stuff.

      The best thing for me was having a friend that explained what I was *actually* doing when I did the techniques, so that when I got to the nastier stuff, I still understood what was going on.

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    7. Re:I disagree. by ComputerizedYoga · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'll acknowledge that you are much more motivated to learn the WHAT if you've a notion that a WHY will follow, but I'd suggest that you CAN'T learn the why without first learning the what. For example...in 1776, the United States declared its independence from England. Why, you ask? It's impossible to explain WHY without first explaining WHAT occurred in the years leading up to 1776


      This reminds me of some stuff my mom has talked about a lot (she's an elementary school teacher). Ever heard of "Bloom's Taxonomy" -- a general theory that there's different levels of knowing. There's knowledge, which you need to be able to build comprehension. Can't understand without examples to guide you there, in other words. Can't apply without understanding, at least in a _real_ sense -- in math you can use formulae as a crutch and replace comprehension with knowledge, and get by for a while. But in a situation like the one here, you're only able to analyze if you have knowledge of the events leading up to it, comprehend the subject and the pressures of those events and their causes, and can apply that understanding of the pieces to the whole.

      I remember there used to be a sign in just about every classroom at my elementary school with that on it. But nobody ever explained what it meant there. Guess that was a break in the whole "knowledge" base :-p.
    8. Re:I disagree. by oconnorcjo · · Score: 1
      ...-3x+8=20. Solve for x... Yet to have an satisfying intuitive understanding of why x=4 in the above equation, you needn't be too concerned with anything beyond the arithmetic.

      Sorry to be picky but x is -4.

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    9. Re:I disagree. by bgalehouse · · Score: 1
      I doubt that. Ever learn to eat? Or walk? =)

      Those are skills, not facts. Ever memorize the telephone directory? The win32 api? Any large disorganized collection of information? Quickly and permanently? Without exercising the knowledge regularly?

      Perhaps for some people it is easier to learn rote fact and procedures. Some people are in such a habit of doing so that it is disconcerning.

      My mother runs a clinical DNA lab at a hospital. At regular intervals she was complaining about how every six months to a year she had to have her boss, an MD, sign off on a report. And every time she'd have a re-explain to her boss what was going on. Not little details like which chemicals are being used, but big picture stuff.

      I pointed out to her that usually when I have trouble rembering a complicated structure, it is because I don't have the reasoning behind it. The implication being that she should try to give enough theory to bind the procedures together. Her response? "Oh, these are MDs, they always just want to know the answers."

      Such a reassuring attitude for a doctor to have, no?

      This is true, but I doubt the fellow with the question is interested in real math. Quite frankly, the proofs are a hindrance to understanding the mathematics. Proofs are often the result of hundreds of years of mathematical development.

      That's true, we have been using proofs in math and physics since the greeks realized that they allowed truth by demonstration instead of authority. Now everybody forgets that they are the foundation of everything in math past arithmatic. My guess is that this is because they aren't taught in high school. Well, they used to be in geometry, but I don't think they get much emphasis anymore. It took awhile for western civilization to forget Euclid's contribution, no?

      The game w'ff-n-proof, which I mentioned before, is recommended for grade schoolers, and teaches logic better than any logic course. For this reason I tend to think that people who don't get proofs approach them wrong. The alternative is simply to troublesome to think about :-/

  96. Calculus by rblancarte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For what you do, it might be useless, but for people in Engineering and other fields, calculus is a VERY important subject. As a current CS major, I agree with what you say about descrete math and linear algebra, but I think you are discounting the need for Calculus.

    RonB

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    1. Re:Calculus by slamb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      For what you do, it might be useless, but for people in Engineering and other fields, calculus is a VERY important subject. As a current CS major, I agree with what you say about descrete math and linear algebra, but I think you are discounting the need for Calculus.

      Even in CS, you can't completely escape calculus. Asymptotic notation comes to mind. Whenever you talk about an algorithm being O(n), you're saying that the limit as n approaches infinity of T(n) = C*n, where C is an arbitrary constant. As I'm sure you know, limits are a fundamental building block of calculus. There are a fair number of tricks from calculus that I think become useful when trying to find the asymptotic behavior of complicated things (though I'm hardly an expert).

      My other major is physics. No one questions that calculus is useful there. (I don't actually plan to use this major in the real world, though you never know. I just find it interesting to study.)

  97. Obvious? by rblancarte · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I guess not, if it was, this question would have never been posed.

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  98. No Royal Road to Mathematics by mjm · · Score: 2, Informative
    So, okay, first I just have to point out that there are a bunch of replies but I haven't seen one Slashdottie paraphrase Euclid's famous sound bite - well, it woulda been a sound bite if they'd had The Evening News with Famous Talking Head and Sidekick back then, you know I'm right, get off that pot if you're not gonna shove hard - about learning Geometry. Whutta bunch of illiterate know-nothings you slackers are!

    Speaking of slackers, what's with this question? Right, everybody wants to be Ptolemy, 'cause It Is Good To Be King. Except when the revolution is coming for you, dragging a frehly greased Guillotine to enliven the show. But most of you probably don't have clue number one what this bit is all about either, do you? Of course you don't! You're Slack-dotties, you can't be expected to have learned anything in school. You spent all your time trying to pretend you weren't in school, fuckheaded idiots that you were. I was like that too, but back in my day they'd tie you to the desk and keep you after school until... well, no, they didn't really do that. And that cliche about the rulers and your knuckles? Hardly ever. Really. Of course they didn't HAVE to rap most kids across the knuckles to get their attention back then. No one with that million-miles-away glazed look that says hey yeah, I like school so much better when I stuff the earbuds in and crank the mindless, mind-shredding noise up. Anything to avoid having to use the mind you've spent half your life trying to lose, right Slackies?

    You young pukes make me sick!

    But that's not what I came here to sing about. No, I came to sing the praises of some Good Books. I did see a few nods to Feynman, and a few of his essays are simple enough for even Slackdots to get the feeling that they sort of understood, or at least appreciated, whatever exactly he was going on about. But mostly you gotta have math, and to get math you gotta WORK AT IT.

    'cause there still ain't no bloody god-be-damned royal road to mathematics. No Easy Street slide for slackers, neither.

    You want to learn calculus? I mean learn it well enough to be able to start to learn about how it (and some harder maths as well, but calc will get you in the door of understanding; arithmetic and its yuppie cousin algebra just let you turn the cranks that were designed by people who had the chops) truly is the language of science, which ain't just a cute turn of a phrase, though it is that, but it's like a real, no false analogies here, metaphor for the way our understanding of the entire fucking universe has developed over the last few centuries. As oppposed to how you slackwits have closed your minds to any deeper understanding than the ability to catch a fly ball, and that, though you haven't the understanding to know it, has more to do with a few eons of evolutionary development of your central nervous system than it does with your brain, so called.

    So You Want To Learn Math And Science?

    Get thee to your community college; odds are damned good that they'll have the courses you need to fill in those gaps in your mental toolkit. Of course it's harder now - old brains are less flexible than young, but if you've reached the point that you can see the utter stupidity of your younger self who squandered those golden years, learning to be a twit instead of something worthwhile, something that might be useful for more than impressing your half-drunken friends that you're a wit - it's half true, after all - why, at that point you might be about to find that maturity does bring some compensation for the things you have to give up getting to it. If you haven't blanched and run away yet, back to your comfortable, mindless, slacking drift through life, you may be able to find the gumption to exert yourself and go to school in order to learn what you missed the first time around.

    I mean, the odds aren't very good - if you're reading this, you're probably in the slacker half of the population, more inclined to rant and rail on the

  99. Which topic in maths by Aliks · · Score: 1

    There are many different areas of maths and a range of books to cater for all levels.

    You need to understand which topics you want to get a feel for. The options range from very pure maths ie Logic and Set Theory, through Algebra, Geometry and Calculus and on into Applied Maths, Mechanics, Dynamics, Numerical Analysis, Statistics.

    There are many common features in understanding each area.

    First off, the motivation for the material in each subject is to solve problems. The questions mathematicians address tend to come from the real world, and then later people come along and rationalise / rigorise the area. This leads to the second common point:

    Maths is about abstraction. Solve a set of problems then step up a level and work out what is going on at a more general level. In fact this is why all the text books use a ton of practice problems. Until you understand the examples you can't see the common thread.

    Thirdly the topic you are looking at has been chewed over for decades. People have worked out the ways to explain the topic so as to hide the rough edges and at the same time point up the links to other areas of maths. This can leave new readers puzzled as to why something is emphasised, or even worse to give the impression that you have to master every damn topic before you can move forward.

    I'll mention a couple of books that I used way back when, others will doubtless have their own views:

    Mathematics for the Million: Lancelot Hogben Lots of stuff about numbers and series here.

    Statistical Inference: Silvey still one of the cleanest texts on stats I know.

    Anything by Feinman on Physics

  100. Pork-Barrel Books for Adults by pg--az · · Score: 1

    >> books that have helped you gain a greater understanding of the basic concepts of algebra, chemistry, calculus, physics, and other core areas of science?" . However, I had $20 to plunk into an account at nearlyFreeSpeech.net( worth checking out ), and so, I wonder, can this post to SlashDot manage to exhaust my entire bandwidth account in one swoop ? I was unable to make the fancy frames-page-index at www.xmemes.com work well outside of MSIE, sorry.

  101. Everyday Chemistry by katlzrd · · Score: 2, Informative
    Chemistry is easier to learn if it's connected to real world occurances, and there are a variety of books that you can get that deal with the chemistry of everyday phenomena. These books explain the science behind an event, covering things like crystal structure, pH, polymers, pressure, density, etc. Try:

    Karukstis, Kerry and Van Heck, Gerald. Chemistry Connections: The chemical basis of everyday phenomena. (ISBN: 0124008607)

    Anything in the Commentaries on the Fascinating Chemistry of Everyday Life series by Dr. Joe Schwarcz:

    • The Genie in the bottle (ISBN: 0716746018)
    • That's the way the cookie crumbles (ISBN: 1550225200)
    • Radar, Hula Hoops and Playful Pigs (ISBN: 071674600X)
    1. Re:Everyday Chemistry by Robotdog · · Score: 1

      Good Suggestions. Also, you should definitely avoid Zumdahl's chemistry texts. They are ok if you have a teacher, but are completely incomprehensible (they even sound ridiculous when read aloud) if the understanding isn't already there.

  102. morons cyphering it up for young & old alike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how many babies does it cost to troll around in the humvee all weakend? figure it out yourself.

    if you consider the #'s at all, we've gotten ourselves in a dangerous quandry.

    lookout bullow. the daze of the evile greed/fear based misinformers is definitely #ed.

    consult with/trust in yOUR creator. vote with yOUR wallet. that's the spirit.

    pay attention. add up the cost of that, & you'll be way ahead right away. tell 'em robbIE.

  103. Yeah right by HanzoSan · · Score: 1


    30 kids in a highschool classroom, 100 kids in college.

    The book is a refrence, but the only way to learn the garbage in the book is to practice.

    I find the results of that practice absolutely useless in the real world so I cannot motivate myself to practice.

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    1. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you are your own problem, not the books or the teachers.

      Those who disparage education are usually just slackers looking to excuse their failure by blaming "the system".

    2. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      right everyone who sucks at math is a slacker

      maybe if math werent more boring than watching the grass grow more people would b e good at it.

    3. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's an idot. He has rebutted every bit of advice that may save him from his own misguided educational and career plans. Fuck him if he's not learning in taking advantage of the experience (and mistakes already made) of others. Good luck dude.

  104. What about social sciences and liberal arts? by hey! · · Score: 1

    Example: A lot is riding on what people in the US think about the administration policy in Iraq. Exactly what does the average American know about Iraq? Does he know what the difference between a Shia and Sunni muslim is? Or the distinctions between religious conservatism and fundamentalism?

    Example: You can't get ahead without being persuasive. What makes a piece of writing convincing and credible?

    I know there's apt to be a geek bias against social sciences and liberal arts; but aren't most people's education in these areas just as defective? Is any form of ignorance good?

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    1. Re:What about social sciences and liberal arts? by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

      Is any form of ignorance good?

      I happen to be reading "Dumbing Down: Essays on the Strip Mining of American Culture" at this moment. One of the essayists spends several pages bemoaning the lack of breadth in the university curriculum nowadays. The problem with his idea is that there is so much to learn in any one field, and overly broad degrees being somewhat useless, that a student can't help but specialize.

      One thing in which I did agree was that there is a need for discrimination between good and bad. There are things that I don't need to know, and truthfully, don't want to know. It's fine. I'll spend my energies learning about things that fascinate me. There's too much stuff in the world to do otherwise.

  105. Its difficult to trick yourself into remembering. by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    My mind does not like to remember information which is utterly useless, but some people are better at that than others.

    all the formulas and steps are useless information that you memorize so that you can do calculus so that you can know math which you'll never use a day in your life and most likely wont remember 5 years later.

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  106. Science and Math for Adults by psykocrime · · Score: 1

    I'm looking for books that don't just tell me an equation or a concept works, but also explain *why*. Would you please list books that have helped you gain a greater understanding of the basic concepts of algebra, chemistry, calculus, physics, and other core areas of science?"

    In my last /. journal entry, I list a bunch of math and science related stuff I just bought. In particular, I just bought several "lower level / refresher" type math books, to use for some self-study before tackling calculus (which I will be taking at a college, not teaching myself... although I may try and get a headstart if I have time).

    Anyway, if you look over that list, you might find a few things that you would also be interested in.

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  107. Re:Pork-Barrel Books for Adults - Missing Text by pg--az · · Score: 1

    Did you know, that Winston Churchill once said "Science should be on tap, not on top" ? As with many 50-year-old Americans who experienced Vietnam as teenagers, I have always been obsessed with "on tap, not on top". I have written this up at: http://www.xmemes.com/cssg/ToolPeople_000.htm An eminently readable book which is a great start on game-theory issues is Poundstone's "Prisoner's Dilemma", which I briefly recommend at: http://www.xmemes.com/cessno/PrisonersDilemma_000. htm ( The above text was clipped from the middle of my original post, although I previewed it ? )

  108. Learn How To Prove Things! by kramer2718 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the topic of calculus, don't learn anything past calculus I (well, bits of calculus II are useful). The rest is completely useless and you'll forget about it all in a couple of years anyway because of its uselessness. If you want something that's useful go for discrete math and/or the good bits of linear algebra. Your comment is completely offbase. Actually, Linear Algebra is about as important as Calculus in many scientific/engineering disciplines.

    More importantly, you claim that anything more advanced will be forgotten, but the later courses often serve to reinforce earlier material. For example a course on Fourrier theory reinforces both Linear Algebra and Calculus.

    Most math departments have a course somewhere after the introductory sequence which teaches basic proof techniques often by studying the definition of numerical systems from logical axioms.

    These basic proof techniques are the very basis of mathematics. The reason so many people get through high school with little understanding of math is that they are never forced to do any proofs outside of Geometry.

    In short, if you cannot prove anything, you know practically nothing about mathematics.

    1. Re:Learn How To Prove Things! by pongo000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These basic proof techniques are the very basis of mathematics. The reason so many people get through high school with little understanding of math is that they are never forced to do any proofs outside of Geometry.

      And the sad fact is that in Texas, that last bastion of logical thought and problem-solving called Geometry is being completely gutted thanks to the new state learning standards called TEKS. Gone are the days of teaching high-school students proofs and reasoning. Instead, geometry is now taught as an extension of algebra, basically "plug and play" with no underlying foundations being taught. The reason? It's very difficult to use standardized testing to test whether a student has mastered the logic of reasoning. The only discipline a high school student in Texas might be introduced to reasoning and proofs is calculus, but this is not a required course, and very few students see the need to take it.

      A very sad state of affairs IMO.

    2. Re:Learn How To Prove Things! by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 1

      Most math departments have a course somewhere after the introductory sequence which teaches basic proof techniques often by studying the definition of numerical systems from logical axioms.

      This is usually called "Math Analysis". It usually covers all of the same topics as a calculus course, except now that instead of doing problems, you prove everything.

      Fascinating course, though very difficult and not for everyone. I honestly believe that anyone can learn to pass Calculus, assuming they have good teachers - if you practice enough, you can learn to take derivatives and intergrals. But learning to come up with novel proofs is not for everyone.

    3. Re:Learn How To Prove Things! by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Most math departments have a course somewhere after the introductory sequence which teaches basic proof techniques often by studying the definition of numerical systems from logical axioms.

      _After_ the "introductory sequence"? We started right off, in both introductory algebra and calculus I, with the basic proofs in each subject, and the emphasis was all along on understanding the theorems, to the point that the exams are in two parts: one ordinary test, and, for those that pass, a two hour oral exam about the theory.

      Not the easiest way to get into the subject, perhaps, but you really do get a very solid theoretical foundation to pin your understanding on.

      That said, I don't like calculus... The proof techniques are far too often of the type "half a page of dreary symbol manipulation, apply the magic trick that you would never think of yourself, and another half a page of manipulation". Discrete mathematics (and topology) tends to be a lot, well, cleaner and more beautiful.

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    4. Re:Learn How To Prove Things! by kramer2718 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Well the college that you attended has got the right idea. I noticed that you're a researcher in Sweden. Perhaps you went to school in Sweden, also? Anyway, here in America, the teaching of Math is extremely poor. Unless you are actually a mathematics major (or minor), most of your math education will be focused on learning mechanical techniques and very simple application.

      My differential equations course was so large that a large portion of our grades came from MULTIPLE CHOICE tests. It really pissed me off, too. I felt that I had a very good understanding of the material, but I would make small errors and get no credit!

      I do agree with you, though, about Calculus proof techniques. All those horrible epsilon/delta arguments. Yuck! I also enjoy discrete mathematical proof techniques. That's why I'm now a grad in CS.

    5. Re:Learn How To Prove Things! by JanneM · · Score: 1

      I went to school in Sweden, yes; I got my master's in CS. I thought briefly about maybe taking a bachelor's in mathematics, but alas, I like math more than math likes me :) I'm just not really focused enough to be able to do good work in the subject.

      Multiple choice exams are bad wherever they are used; in a subject like mathematics, it's just ridiculous. In our introductory semester of mathematics, we were 150 students (it was mandatory for those planning to major in CS, physics, mathematics or statistics), and they still managed to have both a written exam and an oral exam for everybody that passed the written one. Granted, there were not nearly 150 people passing the written one, but anyway.

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    6. Re:Learn How To Prove Things! by johnjay · · Score: 1

      More importantly, you claim that anything more advanced will be forgotten, but the later courses often serve to reinforce earlier material. For example a course on Fourrier theory reinforces both Linear Algebra and Calculus.

      I'll attest to that. One of the main reason I am taking more math classes after college is so that I can continue to remember and use calculus and linear algebra. If I had a job that needed these skills, I might not need to take classes, but I don't have a job like that at the moment. I want to still have those skills in case I need them for another job in the future.

  109. Re:goatse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, the correct logic is: 1 + 1 = 2 2 * 2 = 4

    That kind of conclusion has nothing to do with logic. It has to do with your assumption that the formal system used by the original poster assigned to + and * the meanings of integer addition and multiplication, and the symbols 1 and 2 as natural numbers. In fact there is no such requirement, they can mean whatever they like, or have no meaning at all. Consider for example if both + and * were used to represent string concatenation. Then the original expressions would be correct, and yours false. Or if they did represent normal integer arithmetic, but the strings "11" and "22" represented 2 and 4 respectively. Neither has any inconsistencies or is at all invalid, though the second, having two different ways to represent the number 2, is rather silly, as is the first for having two different symbols for string concatenation.

  110. Classic Physics Text by Stranger4U · · Score: 1

    I always enjoyed Halliday, Resnick and Walker's introductory physics text. It's calculus-based and designed for freshmen-level students. Not only does it provide a good, broad understanding of physics basics, but it also utilizes physical intuition to explain many of the concepts. As a graduate physics student, I still keep it around as an excellent reference book. Finally, the problems at the ends of the Chapters are among some of the classics of physics.

  111. the bible isn't a good measuring post for books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what can anyone say about the bible that is objective?

  112. Wikimedia by dysprosia · · Score: 1

    Try Wikipedia, it's information written by the poeple, so I'm sure the information would be more geared to explanations and more knowledge based approache than pure fact based approaches. You could also try Wikimedia-textbooks, but I'd wait till its ismore mature.

  113. particleadventure.org by tkittel · · Score: 1

    For a pedagogical treatment of the fundamental particles and forces considered in physics I can highly recommend:

    http://particleadventure.org

    Full of nice illustrations, and even has little multiple choice questions along the way to keep the reader on track.

    You won't be able to do calculations in field theory afterwards, but it is a great start - especially as a motivator.

  114. Re:Pork-Barrel Books for Adults - Bad URL by pg--az · · Score: 1

    PrisonersDilemma_000.htm - will not work with the "space" in it. Let's try the full URL one more time: http://www.xmemes.com/cessno/PrisonersDilemma_000. htm ( Sorry about these fumbles, dare I accuse the preview of not being 100% WYSIWYG ? )

  115. You do have to memorize by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    Algebra requires you memorize hundreds of formulas, steps, rules, conditions, etc and thats exactly why I cant remember it no matter how many times I learn it.

    Its also useless, all the stuff you memorize never applies to anything in the real world.

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    1. Re:You do have to memorize by styrotech · · Score: 1

      Algebra requires you memorize hundreds of formulas, steps, rules, conditions, etc and thats exactly why I cant remember it no matter how many times I learn it.

      If you thought Algebra was memorising hundreds of snippets, then your teachers sucked. They aren't seperate rules, just different ways of applying a few general principles.

      The teachers should've helped you grasp the underlying principles rather than just memorising rules for every possible situation.

      Its also useless, all the stuff you memorize never applies to anything in the real world.

      If you don't understand it, how can you tell it never applies to anything?

    2. Re:You do have to memorize by gniv · · Score: 1
      No, no, no, no! You have to understand what's behind those rules. Once you get the concepts, you can come up with rules yourself, or realize that many rules are just variants of one single rule/formula.

      Like the poster above, I have a bad memory, yet I've done math or math-related things all my life. I've had high-level calculus courses and I could never remember all the complicated proofs and formulas taught, but I could reproduce them by remembering the ideas behind them and maybe a few tricks used.

      I think your teachers hide their lack of understanding/interest behind formulas and rules. Try talking to someone who can give you the big picture. Once you get it, the rest will seem much easier.

  116. Preview not 100% WYSIWYG by pg--az · · Score: 1

    PrisonersDilemma_000.htm - when I dragged my mouse across the full URL in the preview window, and copy/paste it into the address bar, it works. However, after "submit", doing the same thing puts that "space" in front of the ".htm". Oh, well !

  117. For conceptual understanding of science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    I would recommend the following books...

    Concepts of Modern Mathematics - Ian Stewart

    "Concepts of Modern Mathematics began as an extramural course--nowadays we would say "continuing education"--taught at Warwick University in 1971."...

    ..."Once upon a time it was possible for parents to help children with their homework. The "modernization" of school mathematics has made this less possible: at the very least the parent has to learn a lot of new material, most of which seems strange and uncomfortable. A teacher friend of mine reports that his class has been clamouring to be taught "real mathematics like Mum and Dad used to do", which sheds an interesting sidelight on where children get their opinions. Many teachers, too, find the new style of mathematics difficult to grasp hold of.

    This is a pity. The aim of "modern maths" was to encourage understanding of mathematics instead of blind manipulation of symbols. The true mathematician is not a juggler of numbers, but a juggler of concepts.

    This book attemtps to combat these feelings of unease. ONe is always uncomfortable when faced with the unknown, and the best way to lose one's fears is to see how it works, what it does, and why it does it, so that one becomes accustomed to its nature and no longer feels uncomfortable. This will not be a "handbook of modern mathematics", but a description of the aims, methods, problems, and applications of modern mathematics: the day-to-day toolkit of the working mathematician."...

    Mathematical Mysteries -- The Beauty and Magic of Numbers

    I vividly remember a class on numerical analysis taught by Professor Chamberlain at teh University of Utah during the 1960s. He would become so enthralled with his lecture that, while hurriedly writing equations on the blackboard, he would fail to notice how closely he was stepping to the edge of the platform, raised six inches off the floor. My attention fluctuated between following his lecture and watching his feet move ever neearer to the platform's edge. Suddenly and without warning, he would step off the platform and fall in a great tumble to the floor.

    The entrie class would burst out laughing. Chamberlain would give a great laugh as he picked himself off the floor and brushed the dust from his pants. Smiling, he would offer some delightful joke and then return to the blackboard and his equations. We were so awed by his complete involvment in the realms of numerical analysis that we, too, paid intense attention to his lectures trying to discover what he saw in the subject matter. By the end of the eyar, we had fallen a little more in love with numbers..."

    He proceeds in explaining the interesting connections numbers play in our world similar in which Paul Hoffman portrays in his book, Archimedes' Revenge, except without so much of the story-telling. Semi formula book but can be read without the slightest clue of understanding them.

    [rant]
    I believe Stephen Hawking to be extremely overrated. I picked up one of his books at a bookstore and threw it done in utter disgust. I personally have a bitter dislike of dumbing everything down for the layman and glitzing all the empty space with fancy graphics...okok, that is a bit harsh as I think his books are great for children.
    [/rant]

    Anyways for the highschool/college folk crowd I definitely ever so highly recommend

  118. Polya's How to solve IT by bstadil · · Score: 1
    Try Poly's How to Solve it

    It uses very simple math to explain the various heuristics that can be used in Math solutions. The book is right up there for Math what Feynman's lecture is for Physics.

    40 Years later is it still required reading for first year MIT students.

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  119. COMMUNITY college is not about education. by HanzoSan · · Score: 3, Interesting


    People go to community college to transfer into a good university and get cheap credits, not get an education.

    If they wanted me to focus on an education perhaps they wouldnt make the GPA so damn important.

    What is the point of avoiding difficult but important classes simply to preserve your GPA? Are you in school to get an education or to simply achieve some arbitrary GPA? I've been in the position of hiring people for technical positions and I've always been far more impressed by a mediocre GPA in a substantial curriculum then a high GPA in an easy curriculum.


    Ok say I do take a few math classes and get a few Cs, well then my GPA goes under 3.0 and I can forget about transfering into a good 4 year university, I can also forget about scholarships and grants which also require a high GPA of above 3.0 or 3.5, I really cannot afford any Cs and I know for a fact that its simply impossible for me to get an A or B in math. I take classes which I know I can/will get an A or B in.

    This isnt about the jobs, this is about getting a degree from an elite private university.

    I recently returned to school myself, so I do have sympathy with amount of work required to do really well in a course, and I do understand that those planning to continue to a four year school or go on to graduate school need to match minimum requirements, but in my opinion you'll be better served by reducing the number of classes you take in a given term then by trying to ditch the challenging courses.

    I never take more than 4 classes per semester, and I never get anything below a B in grades, those are the rules I follow.

    Maybe if universities werent so strict and competitive on the GPA issue I could actually focus on learning but right now I have a goal, that goal is to get into Harvard, Tufts, Boston College,Boston University or North Eastern, all which are ELITE private universities which will NOT let you in with a sub 3.0 GPA, you most likely wont get in with a sub 3.5 GPA, so no its not about "learning" right now, its about moving up the ladder, it will be about learning once I get into university, thats when I'll take math clases, get a C or two, and learn something.

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    1. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't even get a B in a community college undergraduate math class, you're not going to make it at Harvard or any truly "ELITE" university, private or not. Sorry.

      (Well, you could if you had lots of country-club pull on your side. But then you wouldn't be worrying about the admissions requirements, either.)

      Getting a real education takes work on your part, not simply gaming the system for least effort per credit or slapping the right label on a bogus degree. It's not something other people do to you, it's something you do for yourself.

    2. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 1
      This isnt about the jobs, this is about getting a degree from an elite private university.

      But don't you think the admissions committe is going to notice the lack of math courses on your transcript? A 3.0 GPA may be a minimum standard, but I can assure you that not all 3.0 GPAs are equal. A 3.0 with Intro Calc is going to be more impressive then a 3.0 with "Free Verse for Slackers". This is true even for liberal arts majors. If you are thinking of going into a technical field, the lack of math would be the kiss of death.
      I never take more than 4 classes per semester, and I never get anything below a B in grades, those are the rules I follow

      I could never handle 4 classes in a semester! When I was taking three classes I doing OK, but running from one assigment to the next without much time for reflection. Two classes a semester is perfect for me (unfortunately most schools require you to take at least 3 to maintain eligibility for financial aid).


      If you will forgive me reapeating my unsolicited advise, I really think you would be better off taking fewer but more challenging courses. If you struggle with math, this is the perfect opportunity to get to know your instructors. Prepare as best you can, show up at all their office hours, and then get them to write letters of recommendation. I know from experience that letters of recommendation carry a lot of weight in admissions at elite private universities.

    3. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by MsGeek · · Score: 1, Funny
      (Well, you could if you had lots of country-club pull on your side. But then you wouldn't be worrying about the admissions requirements, either.)

      Paging George W. Bush...Yale just called. They want their degree back.

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    4. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 1
      This isnt about the jobs, this is about getting a degree from an elite private university

      There is a lot to be said for attending an elite private university. You'll have a excellent education presented to you in the most supportive of environments. However, I'm reminded of a story about Lyndon B. Johnson's first cabinet meeting as president. He supposedly said something like "It is awe inspring to to be at this table with the best and brightest minds of the country: Ph.D.s, MBAs, and JDs from Havard, Yale, M.I.T and Princeton, and one B.A. from Southwest Texas State Teachers College."
    5. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by HanzoSan · · Score: 1

      But don't you think the admissions committe is going to notice the lack of math courses on your transcript?

      Yeah they would if you transfered majoring in computer science, but if you transfer majoring in liberal arts or philosophy they dont really care about your math credentials.

      A 3.0 GPA may be a minimum standard, but I can assure you that not all 3.0 GPAs are equal. A 3.0 with Intro Calc is going to be more impressive then a 3.0 with "Free Verse for Slackers". This is true even for liberal arts majors.

      Oh come on, Calculus is not even a REQUIREMENT for liberal arts degrees, this is like saying a person trying to get a degree in photography needs to take calculus. My field has absolutely nothing to do with calculus and calculus is not a degree requirement.

      If you are thinking of going into a technical field, the lack of math would be the kiss of death.

      No, what you meant to say is if I wanted a computer science degree lack of math is the kiss of death. The field itself does not care if you know calculus, I've never once seen calculus in the computer industry, the only time i've ever seen calculus used is by people like Keith Packard working on Xfree, Video Game 3d engines, and military sims.

      Guess what, 99 percent of all programming has absolutely nothing to do with this, yes if you are a programmer for NASA or working in R&D then you may need to know your calculus, but for 99.9 percent of the population calculus is useless.

      I could never handle 4 classes in a semester! When I was taking three classes I doing OK, but running from one assigment to the next without much time for reflection. Two classes a semester is perfect for me (unfortunately most schools require you to take at least 3 to maintain eligibility for financial aid).

      I agree 2 classes are perfect, but 4 is required. Believe me if I could take 2 classes I'd have no problem taking math classes, but I'm afraid to take math classes when so much is at stake and so little to gain by taking it. I can always transfer into a 4 year university on liberal arts and then take all the math classes I avoided and change my major later on. Its important that I at least get in the door.

      If you will forgive me reapeating my unsolicited advise, I really think you would be better off taking fewer but more challenging courses. If you struggle with math, this is the perfect opportunity to get to know your instructors. Prepare as best you can, show up at all their office hours, and then get them to write letters of recommendation. I know from experience that letters of recommendation carry a lot of weight in admissions at elite private universities.

      Well, I could get at least 2 teachers to write a letter of recommendation, but please tell me why I should ruin the best thing I have going for me (my GPA), if I lose my GPA I then have nothing, my highschool record isnt all that great even though I could get plenty of recommendations from highschool teachers (i went to a fucked up public school before I went to a charter school later on)

      So you are telling me getting teachers to write letters would be equal to me getting a 3.5+ GPA? I'm focused 100% on my GPA, some teachers were impressed by me and gave me compliments, but I dont know if they'd actually write a letter of recommendation, I suppose I could ask?

      I don't think I'll be accepted say say Harvard, even if I had a 4.0 GPA because the percentage of transfer students they accept are ridiculously low on the undergraduate level, however if I were to transfer to a school equally as elite, it would be easy to go to Harvard on the graduate level or even transfer into Harvard on the undergraduate level, I mean if you are coming from an elite school its easier to get into an elite school.

      But thanks for the advice, I dont want to take any risks right now thought because Its not just that I fear ruining my GPA, I also know that if I screw up I dont get any federal money, scholarships, etc, so I cant afford in $$ to get a bad grade either.

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    6. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by HanzoSan · · Score: 1


      Well you see, the point I'm trying to make is, when it comes to getting a job its all about who you know, not what you know and by going to elite private universities you meet the right people who can help you later on in life when you need refrences to take out a loan or you need to start a business and cant get any seed money.

      Also it looks better on your resume to have a degree from an elite university, I'm not saying elite universities are the best place for actually learning, alot of the times they arent, but they have infinite resources, they provide contacts in the industry (NOTHING is more important than this!), and it allows for class mobility.

      In the current world, and with our current global economy, to compete with 6 billion people, you dont want a degree from random state university, you need a degree from an elite private university.

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    7. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe if universities werent so strict and competitive on the GPA issue I could actually focus on learning but right now I have a goal, that goal is to get into Harvard, Tufts, Boston College,Boston University or North Eastern, all which are ELITE private universities which will NOT let you in with a sub 3.0 GPA...

      Heck, you could get a 4.0 GPA and not transfer into any of those schools from a community college. Elite private universities take fewer than a hundred transfer students a year, and they usually get many thousands of qualified applicants - many of those from highly regarded 4-year schools. If your goal is to go to an Ivy League school, go right after high school or not at all. It's still hard, but you're probably 10x more likely to get in.

      Not trying to discourage you, just being realistic. If you don't believe me, look up the statistics for transfer students at one of those schools and see how different they are from first-year acceptance rates.

    8. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      People go to community college to transfer into a good university and get cheap credits, not get an education.

      Horseshit. Why don't you tell that to the hundreds of people who graduated with degrees and certificates from the community college I attend? Some things do not require a university education. Would-be mechanics, electricians, welders, truckers and nurses can all get their credentials at a good community college for a FRACTION of what a university costs and have them be just as good.

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    9. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 1
      Well you see, the point I'm trying to make is, when it comes to getting a job its all about who you know, not what you know and by going to elite private universities you meet the right people who can help you later on in life when you need refrences to take out a loan or you need to start a business and cant get any seed money.

      I think you missed the point of the anecdote. Lyndon Johnson, the president of the US, was the one who had graduated from Southwest Texas State Teacher's College and all those Ph.D.s and JDs from Harvard worked at his pleasure.

      I think you are rather romantically overestimating the power of connection. In my experience connections make a difference often enough to be discouraging to us non-connected folks, but unless you are born into a connected family (like our current president), choosing a college with an eye to making connections is playing a longshot. I have a niece who going to St. Andrews in Scotland where Prince William is attending. She sees him in lecture and in town now and then, but she certainly isn't going to be able to hit him up for a job when she graduates. I went to Reed College, it's not Ivy League, but it is a national liberal art college with a good reputation. My old classmates are now moderately succesuful doctors, business people, and professors, but certainly nobody with "juice", or who could bankroll me in a business venture.

      Luck plays a huge role in life, but get the best education you can, because "chance favors the prepared mind".

    10. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 1
      Yeah they would if you transfered majoring in computer science, but if you transfer majoring in liberal arts or philosophy they dont really care about your math credentials
      What are you planning to study? I think you'll find that even liberal art majors are required to complete a year of college math (though not necessarily calculus) during their first two years. If you are going into computer science you'll probably be required to complete calculus before you are admitted to the major. Before graduating you'll probably have to take statistics, and discrete math as well. The role of those in computer science is a whole other discussion, but I think you'll find that those are common requirements.
      My field has absolutely nothing to do with calculus and calculus is not a degree requirement.
      Fine, but you are trying to impress them so you can get in, and I think you'll find that they aren't impressed by folks who simply meet requirements.
      So you are telling me getting teachers to write letters would be equal to me getting a 3.5+ GPA? I'm focused 100% on my GPA, some teachers were impressed by me and gave me compliments, but I dont know if they'd actually write a letter of recommendation, I suppose I could ask?
      I wish I could give you a blanket answer, but it completely depends on the school. To get into the competitive schools you have to do something to impress them, and preferably two or three things. It may be a high GPA, a brilliant interview, community service, personal recomendations, your essay, your ethnic background, or an important relative. I can just about promise you though, that a 3.5 GPA in easy courses is not going to impress them more then a 3.0 in courses that approximate their something like their own requirements.

      Be sure to talk to you community college advisors and the admissions counselors at the schools you are interested in attending.

      Best of luck to you
    11. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



      I know its playing a long shot but honestly its the only shot I have.

      "My old classmates are now moderately succesuful doctors, business people, and professors, but certainly nobody with "juice", or who could bankroll me in a business venture."


      Yes but if you were lucky enough to have known Bill Gates for that one semester he was at Harvard you would be working for Microsoft right now along with his other classmates.

      Luck plays a role, but Luck is all about putting yourself in situations where you can actually be lucky. My chances of being lucky increase x100 at Harvard.

      I do know that maybe I wont be lucky and if I'm not at least I'll know alot of people with jobs, plus I'll have a degree from Harvard, this would help me get jobs alot easier at least.

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    12. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      I never take more than 4 classes per semester, and I never get anything below a B in grades, those are the rules I follow.

      One of the reasons prestigious private universities take so few transfers is their concern with your ability to withstand the rigor of their coursework. You will be competing with other students who have already survived two years of weeding out, they've gone through initiation and at this point most of them will graduate.

      I'm not on an admissions committee so I don't know, but I imagine what they are looking for in a transfer applicant is one who took a heavy load of hard classes and came out with a high GPA. Those are the types of transfers who can compete on a level playfield with their current students.

      Do these schools have transfer advisors? I encourage you to seek them out and ask about transfer admissions to get the facts about it that don't get published. I may be completely off base, but I suspect not.

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    13. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



      On the graduate level, many people do transfer from regular colleges into elite universities.

      I'm not claiming to go straight to Harvard from Community college, but at the graduate level? Why not?


      I'm not on an admissions committee so I don't know, but I imagine what they are looking for in a transfer applicant is one who took a heavy load of hard classes and came out with a high GPA. Those are the types of transfers who can compete on a level playfield with their current students.



      What exactly is a "hard" class? Some people consider math to be an easy class. If I take a shitload of computer classes and get As in them, to me its easy but to everyone else its a "hard" class.

      I dont know, I could take hard classes but I need to know which classes people consider to be hard, the only thing I have a problem with is math.

      Anyway, to transfer into a state school you dont really need to worry about this, and thats where I'll most likely be after community college, and from state school I'll go to a mid level private school such as north eastern or boston university, from boston university I could transfer into havard on the graduate level.

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    14. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I highly doubt you'll be able to transfer into Harvard as you are right now. I graduated just this June as valedictorian. I had a GPA of 4.5something I made 2 B's my entire high school career. My unweighted GPA was like a 3.9 or something. I didn't get into Harvard, Yale, or Stanford. I even have the female minority card going for me. Getting into Harvard and all the other Ivy League schools is all about early decision and who has money. Period. Simply put, there are fewer transfer spots and many more prospective transfers. People with 1600 SAT's don't get in. It's all about the record, its difficulty, and then what grades you made. They WOULD rather have you take the hardest courses available to you and make lower grades than take easy courses and GPAflate.

      Many people said I GPAflated in high school, but that was only because I took the hardest courses (even took Calc online and that wasn't fun) and thus got a weighted credit.

      That being said I got into 8 schools one of which was Berkeley. Carleton and University of Chicago, schools you've probably never heard of, were ones I also got into. Would I have gone there? In a heart beat. Even had I gotten into Harvard I would have chosen U of C (which was my first choice incidentally) had I been able to afford it. You need to quit being so dazzled by so-called Ivy League prestige and put what you learn first. Connections without knowledge is useless. Harvard is not the only school with well connected alumnae. I got pretty much free ride to Wellesley so that's where I am going. Hillary Clinton and Madeline Albright aren't bad company. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton aren't the only good schools and Ivy League schools might have more "prestige" but in reality there are many other smaller and less known schools that I can think of that have as good or better connections and education systems.

      Don't be blinded by what the press tells you about what's best. Steve Jobs graduated from Reed.

    15. Re:COMMUNITY college is not about education. by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      Grad school is an entirely different beast from undergrad, I know many universities will only include the gpa you earned from them when sending transcripts.

      Hard classes are usually easy to spot in your schedule of classes, the prerequisites, units or names usually give them away. For example:

      The 4 unit class "General Physics" with a prequisite of "Trigonometry" is the easy class, while the 5 unit class "Mechanics of Solids and Fluids" with a prerequisite of Calculus 1 and a corequisite of Calculus 2 is hard.

      The 3 unit "Calculus for Life and Social Sciences I" is easier than the 4 unit "Analytic Geometry and Calculus I".

      4 unit "General Biology" is easy, 5 unit "Principles of Biology" is hard.

      Some colleges have "Honors" classes in the liberal arts for outstanding students willing to take on heavier coursework in exchange for a better looking transcript.

      If you aren't looking towards Ivy league until grad school, taking 4 classes will probably not hurt you now, but you are going to eventually have to take a math class of some sort. You'll also need a dynamite score on the GRE. Check their graduate admissions, chances are the classes required for getting a diploma are well below what they expect for someone looking into grad school. Trigonometry may have been all you needed to get your degree, but they are going to give preference to someone who had the initiative to take calculus.

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      Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
      Edward Everett (1794 - 1865)
  120. I'll second that, and I'm an engineer by John+Jorsett · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I confess that I made it through 3 semesters of college calculus and an engineering degree pretty much not understanding the underlying concepts of calculus. It's surprising what you can accomplish by rote. This book was a real forehead-slapper for me, and I can't recommend it highly enough. Many years after graduating, I've finally learned what I should have back then. If it were up to me, this would be the first book anyone learning calculus ever read. I wish Sylvanus Thompson were still alive (I think Calculus Made Easy was published in 1919) so I could give him a big smooch.

  121. Audit a course by nelsonal · · Score: 1

    Most colleges and universities will let those from the community "audit" a class for a very reduced rate, my college charged like 60 bucks a class, you didn't get a grade, but you could attend all the classes, and tests were optional, at the discression of the professor. If you can spare the time, it's probably going to be much more useful to hear the lectures than just reading a text.

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  122. tao of physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I strongly despise everything new age, but I have to say that I liked the tao of physics. It's written by a trained research physicist, and its basic point is: there are some similarities between quantum physics and some oriental religions. It's not an introductory textbook, but I think if you already have some background in physics, it forces you to think about the fact that physics isn't as different from the rest of human thought as physicists would have you believe.

    It won't make you a new age convert.... relax.

  123. A Realistic Approach by AdamHaun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I'm sure that the people recommending GEB and Hawking have your best interests at heart, they're answering the wrong question. If you want to learn math, you're going to have to start at the beginning and work your way up. "Popular" math and science books won't help you with the basics.

    What you'll want to do instead is what they do in school. Start with some basic number theory(nothing fancy, maybe just enough to know the difference between integer/real/rational/etc). After that, assuming you understand how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide, you're going to want to get into some basic algebra, then calculus, then geometry or whatever else you want. Unfortunately, I learned algebra way back in middle school so I don't have a textbook to name, but I do have some advice that applies at all levels:

    * Do the problems in the book. Then do some more. Then do even more, just for good measure. Some of the other posters have complained about doing problems. Ignore them. Nothing will give you a better feel for how algebra and calculus work than actualy *doing* them.

    * Understand each piece of information before you move on and how it relates to the whole. Any decent textbook should offer problems that use both new and previously gained knowledge. Make sure your textbook of choice has lots of examples and that those examples are worked out well. Never underestimate the value of a fully worked out problem. It may be worth it to get multiple textbooks, look them over, and then return the ones you don't want.

    * Be persistant. Children learn math by doing it every(other) day for years. You're an adult. You can learn faster and better, but that doesn't mean you get to be lazy. Do a bit every day, even if it's just working one or two problems. Daily practice will ingrain concepts in your brain and also make it easier to pick up a book and start on something new.

    * Don't get too formal. Wanting to know "why" is great, but "why" must often take a backseat to what is being learned. Often, the reason for doing something may not be obvious until you already know how to do it.

    * Have I mentioned doing problems?

    Now I do have one actual book to name, and that's:

    Calculus by Larson, Hostetler, and Edwards

    This book has tons of examples and illustrations, as well as excellent problems. It even features a two chapter algebra/pre-calc review!

    Some people have mentioned the calc book by Stewart. We use that book at my college, and given the number of people who seem to have problems with it I cannot recommend it for self-teaching.

    Good luck!

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  124. Alan Turing essay online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alan Turing - On the Computable Numbers:
    http://www.abelard.org/turpap2/tp2-ie.as p

  125. Social sciences - Signal Selection vs Nat-Sel by pg--az · · Score: 1

    Did you know, that Winston Churchill once said "Science should be on tap, not on top" ? If science ends up just making weapons and non-scientists or even VOTERS get to pull the trigger, then social science, being "controlling", is clearly worth study ! To get to the bottom of things I wonder why Zahavi's book "The Handicap Principle" is not more frequently praised. I rant - http://www.xmemes.com/ciss/Handicap_000.htm I was unable to make the fancy frames-page-index at www.xmemes.com work well outside of MSIE, sorry.

  126. Barron's "The Easy Way" series by cosh · · Score: 1

    For great math books that will bring out the kid in you (by means of an entertaining fantasy story as a pedagogical approach), I recommend Algebra the Easy Way (Barron's Educational Series) (ISBN 0764119729, $13.95US) and Calculus the Easy Way (also Barron's Educational Series) (ISBN 0812091418, $13.95US), both by Douglas A. Downing. I wouldn't necessarily recommend other titles in the series (not having read them), but these two follow the exploits of people from the Kingdom of some-name-I-forget-how-to-spell. I read them as a child interested in learning more mathematics, and they definitely focus on a solid conceptual understanding. Share them with your kids as a good bedtime story! I used to beg my mom to read the Algebra book to me.

  127. Clouds in a Glass of Beer by nick_urbanik · · Score: 1

    Clouds in a Glass of Beer: Simple Experiments in Atmospheric Physics by Craig F. Bohren and Jearl Walker is enjoyable to read, and helps look at physics from the point of view of the home rather than the laboratory. It is an attempt to avoid the "overfat physics volume" syndrome.

  128. An OLD Book ... by chris_sawtell · · Score: 1

    which might interest you is:
    Mathematics for the Million by Lancelot Hogben.

    A down to earth treatise for the ordinary person.

  129. Really good ones for Math by photon317 · · Score: 2, Informative


    Mathematics for the Million - Lancelot Hogben
    ISBN: 0-393-31071-X
    (This ISBN is from a 1993 printing of the 4th (last I believe) edition, originally published in 1895. The first edition was circa 1862).

    This book is hands down one of the best adult math texts around, as shown by how it has endured over time. It covers all the practical branches of math one should know including calculus, and starts out at a very basic level. Throughout it explains the real meaning of the math, this is not a fact memorization book at all.

    Also, if you're further interested in calculus, I'd recommend:

    Calculus Made Easy - Silvanus P. Thompson and Martin Gardner
    ISBN: 0-312-18548-0
    (Original by Thompson was from 1851, the ISBN here is an updated version (by Martin Gardner) published in 1998).

    Covers (again, with real explanations, not memorization of facts) the real meaning and understanding of calculus, both differential and integral.

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  130. Totally on the mark by ebuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Calculus is INCREDIBLY important, and from a philosopical point of view it might even be dangerous. :)

    Imagine a field of mathematics that explicitly has at it's underpinnings the hypothesis that as you break up a line into smaller segments, eventually if you make each segment have no length, they still all add up to a lenght.

    Philosopy aside, it's an INCREDIBLE tool for particular applications. Need the area of a sphere, no problem. A cone, still no problem. An oddly shaped object that looks like a art-deco running shoe? BIG problem, that is unless you use calculus.

    1. Re:Totally on the mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Imagine a field of mathematics that explicitly has at it's underpinnings the hypothesis that as you break up a line into smaller segments, eventually if you make each segment have no length, they still all add up to a lenght.
      I'm not sure that what you are trying to say is correct. If you want something strange about the Reals though... consider an equivalence relation on [0,1] defined by the relation x ~ y iff x-y is rational. This defines a set of (disjoint)equivalence classes on [0,1]. Now construct a set A by picking one element from each of the classes. A is known as a Vitali set, which is non measurable. In other words A does not have a length, or more appropriately, A does not have a volume. Note that I don't mean that A has zero volume, I mean that A has no a volume at all. And for my next trick, I will cut a sphere into several pieces and then reconstruct the pieces to produce two spheres, each one identical to the first...
    2. Re:Totally on the mark by Joey7F · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Area of a sphere? 4 pi r ^2...no calculus needed ;-)

      Of course a (an astute) calculus student would notice that when you derive the volume formula for a sphere (4/3 pi r^3) with respect to the radius you get the area.

      My dad is an engineer (I will be too soon...hopefully ) and he has a novel way of find an oddly shaped area.

      As long as what you are looking at has a scale of some kind you can actually cut out that area and weigh it on a (sensitive) scale. Then cut out a known square dimension from the same paper. Now you know what that area is relative to a certain weight...well now finding the original area just takes a little knowledge of proportions.

      Granted it is not exactly going to score any points in the rigorous category, but it will get the answer with uncanny accuracy, which is the only category engineers have anyway :-P ::silence::

      Yeah I am lucky they don't have -1 geek as a moderation...

      --Joey

    3. Re:Totally on the mark by 2sheds · · Score: 1

      Such as the Starship Heart of Gold? :-)

      > An oddly shaped object that looks like
      > a art-deco running shoe?

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      Absit Invidia
    4. Re:Totally on the mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think engineers care about accuracy, you don't know engineers which is surprising if your dad really is one. The scale example is a good one and it does sound like a typical engineering solution. Why not just learn the calculus needed? Once you leave school, pencils are a lot easier to come by than analytic balances.

    5. Re:Totally on the mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a bit off here. You don't "eventually make each segment to have no length" - you never do. That's why it's called "approaching zero", not zero. Also, that's where the name "infinitesimal calculus" came from - working with infinitely small (or large), yet still non-zero (non-infinite) quantities.

      There are philosophical problems with Calculus, but not what you said. Read B. for some great introduction to this.

    6. Re:Totally on the mark by isorox · · Score: 1

      An oddly shaped object that looks like a art-deco running shoe?

      How. I understand the area under a graph is the intergral of the formula of the graph, but if you have an everyday shape, chances are its not created by a known mathematical formula. how do you work out the area using calculus?

    7. Re:Totally on the mark by Alsee · · Score: 1

      He's reffering to an oddly shaped MATH-object, not a random physical object. He just means that an odd math formula might 'look like a art-deco running shoe'.

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    8. Re:Totally on the mark by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Engineers care deeply about accuracy; the main thing is that they only care up to the accuracy needed for a particular problem, not some kind of absolute accuracy.

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    9. Re:Totally on the mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Area of a sphere? 4 pi r ^2...no calculus needed ;-)

      The volume and area of a ball are 1/2 that of the box it came in... no fancy math needed.

      Pi == 3 is just fine for most work (%5 error).

    10. Re:Totally on the mark by bob_jenkins · · Score: 1

      Before I learned calculus, I asked my 7th grade teacher what the area of a sphere was. "You're in 7th grade, you don't need to know that", they said. OK, that was a substitute 7th grade math teacher.

      By 8th grade I knew it was 4 pi r^2, but didn't know why. I could see you could derive it from the volume, 4/3 pi r^3, by dividing the volume up into a bunch of pyramids, each of volume 1/3 base*r. But I still had no way to derive one or the other from more basic principles. I asked my 8th grade math teacher. "Bob, there are some questions that every man must answer for himself", he said. (He was actually a good teacher, by the way.)

    11. Re:Totally on the mark by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny
      As long as what you are looking at has a scale of some kind you can actually cut out that area and weigh it on a (sensitive) scale. Then cut out a known square dimension from the same paper. Now you know what that area is relative to a certain weight...well now finding the original area just takes a little knowledge of proportions.
      You could also stick a drawing of it on the wall, close your eyes, throw darts at it and estimate it from the proportion of darts landing inside/outside the shape. It's called the Monte Carlo method.
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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    12. Re:Totally on the mark by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      but if you have an everyday shape, chances are its not created by a known mathematical formula. how do you work out the area using calculus?
      You don't, you use Simpsons's Rule.
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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    13. Re:Totally on the mark by Joey7F · · Score: 1

      Bingo! A math major wants an answer that is not just accurate, that is definable correct. Ie What is the area of a circle? If you don't have a PI symbol in the answer you are WRONG! Radius of 10? 100Pi not 314 not 314.159265358979 both are wrong

      An engineer doesn't care (unless the margin of error needs to be very SMALL) and says 315...

      --Joey

  131. Re:Atrocious new age speculation. by pg--az · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Did you know that the eminent John Von Neumann, being thoroughly familiar with the principle of defense needing to be eternally vigilant while offense needs only a single opportunity, was resolutely supportive of preemptive war ? Or so it says on page 142 of my copy of Poundstone's "Prisoner's Dilemma". Did you know, Winston Churchill once said "Science should be on tap, not on top" ? I have written this up at: http://www.xmemes.com/cssg/ToolPeople_000.htm If science ends up just making weapons and non-scientists or even VOTERS get to pull the trigger, then social science, being "controlling", is clearly worth study ! I was unable to make the fancy frames-page-index at www.xmemes.com work well outside of MSIE, sorry. I well know that when one starts talking soft-science like game-theory it's easy to sound lame, while tool-science produces such powerful, well, *tools*. To shy back from such controlling topics for fear of sounding lame, well, that would make one a "tool person" !

  132. Isaac Asimov's Realm of Algebra by lamz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I read Isaac Asimov's Realm of Algebra when I was in grade 6, and didn't learn anything beyond it until around grade 10. Actually, I didn't even finish reading Realm of Algebra -- if I did, who knows how many grades worth of math I would have learned in one sitting!

    Unfortunately, it is out of print, and has been for some time. I have seen people asking outrageous sums of money for it used, upwards of $300 U.S. This is truly a book that is crying out to be open-sourced/pirated. Maybe someone who owns one would scan it into a tidy little pdf or something. Do the same to Realm of Numbers too.

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    Mike van Lammeren
    It will challenge your head, your brain, and your mind.

  133. Gonick's "Cartoon Guides" (Seriously) by NoData · · Score: 2, Informative


    I have found Larry Gonick's "Cartoon Guides" charming, accurate (if sometimes kinda understandibly rushed), and very compelling. Gonick is most famous for his "Cartoon History of the Universe," but he also has a "Cartoon Guide to Physics" and a "Cartoon Guide to Statistics" among other science titles. It's perfect for the adult novice and the young student as well. The cartoons illustrate abstract concepts visually, while maintaining a great sense of humor and fun.

    1. Re:Gonick's "Cartoon Guides" (Seriously) by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 1

      I'll totally second that recommendation. Larry Gonick's "Cartoon Guide to Physics" is my number one recommendation for a high-school-level Physics book!

    2. Re:Gonick's "Cartoon Guides" (Seriously) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As well as his Cartoon Guide to computers.

  134. some great books by rsilverman · · Score: 1


    Five Golden Rules: Great Theories Of 20th-Century Mathematics -- And Why
    They Matter (John L. Casti)

    It Must Be Beautiful: Great Equations Of Modern Science
    (collection of essays, edited by Graham Farmelo)

    Mathematics: The Science Of Patterns
    (Keith Devlin)

    Beyond the Third Dimension: Geometry, Computer Graphics, and Higher Dimensions
    (Thomas F. Banchoff)

  135. Good suggestions for Math Textbooks... by Pollux · · Score: 2, Informative

    The parent poster points to one of the few well-developed Mathematics textbook series that offer students a braod understanding of mathematics. If you are looking for a textbook series that actually let's you understand why the math works the way it does instead of just accepting it as truth, then I have one of two suggestions. Both of these series were actually rated as exemplary by the Untied States Department of Education.

    IMP: Integrated Mathematics Program. IMP (as the parent poster said) takes all the mathematics taught in high school and blends it together in a format which is VERY GOOD at showing how mathematics develops logically. Subjects are not isolated lessons which involve repeated "practice of skills." Each lesson involves only two or three (at most) complex math problems which are set up specifically for students to do so that they can learn why math works. The only thing you may want to consider though is that this textbook series does not specifically say how the math works; only by actually doing the lessons does one gain an understanding of the math involved. If you're looking for a more direct detailing of the math, I would suggest this next series.

    CPM: College Prep. Math. This textbook series is divivided into the traditional "Alg. I, Alg. II, Geom/Trig, Calc" classes, though it too does a very good job of making each lesson a logical progression of the last two or three (in fact, it actually gives a "guide bar" at the end of each chapter showing how much each "portion" of Alg / Trig / whatever has been conceptually developed). The biggest difference compared to IMP however is that it explains what the mathematics is doing as it develops in the textbook. Also, there are a lot more practice problems. One drawback is that the book is not the most reader-friendly...many of the text pages are rather cluttered, plus the book is only printed in black & white.

    By the way, avoid the Saxon series like the plague. If you want to know why, or if you want to discuss anything else about what I've mentioned, just drop me an email.

    (And if you're wondering, I am a Math teacher...this isn't just another geeks advice that you're getting.)

  136. Math...forget the numbers by tius · · Score: 1

    Forget the numbers and take 20 minutes to contemplate something along the lines of why the geometry of a tree is useful to trees (as plants). If you find any thoughts or ideas during this endevour interesting then you've discovered what math is truly about. Now you have motivation to understand the tools that math provides. This will take you further in your desire to learn and certainly in the need to understand.

    Enjoy.

  137. Asimov by ratfynk · · Score: 1

    Isaac Asimov books are great, especially about quantum physics, always have been always will be. He doesn't talk down to you and his insights are always brilliant. They are a bit dated but still relevant, and always interesting. Sometimes the best thing to do when you do not understand something like the quadradic formula is to back track and use simple tools then when you start to see with algebra things start to make sense. It is always true that visualisation of the effects of variables is important and until one starts to see in math it is about the same as reading music until you start to see with your ears. For some it comes easy others not. If interest is not there then it is almost impossible. What would be great is if patterns in math became more of a teaching tool. Some of the best math insights come from thinking about how to write an equation to create a pattern. Thats is how great discoveries have come.

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  138. Books on math by The+Stranger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my own experience (from grade school math through grad school math), I have almost always found that the texts aren't terribly helpful until *after* you've learned (at least to some basic level) the mathematics. In one of the posts above, SuperBanana notes this problem, and suggests that you try adult ed courses. I agree that the human interaction with a professor and fellow students can be invaluable. In fact, some of the biggest mathematical ah-ha moments I've had have been when I've been trying to work through an idea with friends. Only then did the stuff in the textbook really make sense.

    Now, that's not to say that there aren't good books out there to help you learn about mathematics. It's just that the ones that are written as textbooks (particularly in the traditional theorem-proof style) don't seem to be written with a learner in mind. By presenting all of the mathematics in a *mathematically* logical progression, many of them end up hiding the kinds of thinking that has to happen in order for someone who doesn't already know the math to learn it. After all, mathematicians don't do their work by smoothly going from stating fixed definitions to giving a theorem with proof- there's a lot of work going on there that we don't see in the formal presentation. I should be careful, though, not to exaggerate. Most textbooks try to give some exposition to help the reader along. However, this usually doesn't do enough to change the fundamental problem of structure that comes with using the mathematically logical sequence to guide the organization of a book intended for learners.

    You may find that some of the newer so-called "reform" materials may be closer to what you are looking for. Many of them do make an explicit effort to focus on the ideas and concepts underlying the mathematics (though some complain that they don't focus enough on developing fluency with procedures). The trick with these is that, when used in schools, they generally work best with teachers who themselves have this kind of deep understanding and thus know where the materials are pointing. There has been quite a bit of venom circulating around these newer materials. My suggestion is to try a few different kinds of materials in both the "traditional" and "reform" styles, and see what works for you.

    So, here are a few suggestions of books that I found useful in making sense of mathematics, its ways of thinking, and how it can relate to the world. The first several aren't really textbooks, but rather books about mathematics.

    Philip J. Davis & Reuben Hersh - The Mathematical Experience

    George Polya - How to Solve It

    John Allen Paulos - A Mathematician Reads the Newspaper

    John H. Conway & Richard K. Guy - The Book of Numbers

    Barry Cipra - Misteaks ... and how to find them before the teacher does

    The Calculus Consortium at Harvard has developed several textbooks, including Functions Modeling Change: A Preparation for Calculus (Eric Connally, Deborah Hughes-Hallett, Andrew Gleason) and Calculus, Single and Multivariable (Deborah Hughes-Hallett, Andrew M. Gleason, William G. McCallum)

  139. Good Suggestions! More for Math and Physics: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have used the tapes (they now have DVD) from the Teaching Company [ http://www.teach12.com ] very successfully with my middle-school and high-school aged children. They have high-school specific courses as well as more general science and math offerings (as well as others). They go on sale once or twice a year for 50%-75% off. Highly recommended.

    And the woman (Monica Neagoy [ http://www.monicaneagoy.com/math.html ] ) who teaches Algebra 1 is HOT! (well, from a geek's POV)

    A few other useful web sites for Math and Physics learning (there are tons more):

    Drexel Math forum. Lots of explanations, hints, resources, etc. Homework help!
    http://www.mathforum.org/

    On-line Graphing Calculator (helps to understand interaction of algebra and graphs, etc.). Nice.
    http://www.coolmath.com/graphit/

    NYS regents exam prep center has some decent tutorials and links to other resources. Some "teaching to the test" but still a useful review, especially when combined with the Teaching Company tapes or other resources.
    http://regentsprep.org/

    Mathematics Encyclopedia
    http://mathworld.wolfram.com/

    Math books online (many fairly advanced):
    http://www.math.fsu.edu/Science/Books.html

    One thing I have not found is a good on-line basic math textbook, but then again textbooks are rarely very good anyway.

  140. The sooner you face up to Math, the better... by MsGeek · · Score: 1
    But don't you think the admissions committe is going to notice the lack of math courses on your transcript? A 3.0 GPA may be a minimum standard, but I can assure you that not all 3.0 GPAs are equal. A 3.0 with Intro Calc is going to be more impressive then a 3.0 with "Free Verse for Slackers". This is true even for liberal arts majors. If you are thinking of going into a technical field, the lack of math would be the kiss of death.

    I am going to have to revisit math after running from it for over 25 years. I'm 39 now and will hit the big Four-Oh in November. I intend to get my teaching credential, and to do it, I have to return to school. And I'm going to have to basically take up where I left off regarding math. In California Community Colleges, you have to have at least Intermediate Algebra on your transcript with a C or better, or test out at that level or beyond.

    So starting September 2nd, I have to revisit Pre-Algebra. Yes, folks, she's a geek, but she sucks at math. Luckily I have a very nice circle of friends who are absolute wizards on the subject, and my husband would have been a math major had the music bug not bit him.

    It's either that or go through life without a degree. And that, my friend, sucks even worse than that C in math will. I was looking at McJobs for the rest of my life. Sure, K-12 teachers aren't paid much, but the perqs are golden. And it pays way better than the CA minimum wage. And most importantly, you are hopefully helping to turn kids onto lifelong learning.

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  141. Huh by Ddl_Smurf · · Score: 1

    No (Score : 5, Funny) ?
    blah, useless thread.

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  142. The diff between apprenticeship and education by ebuck · · Score: 1

    This is going to ruffle a few feathers, but really I do mean well...

    --- Begin Education Rant ---

    If your only goal is to pass tests and get a good grade, and gather up some knowledge, then you would make a fine apprentice.

    Unfortunately, if you desire the "really know" the stuff, and no amount of schooling is going to get you there, unless the schooling is directed toward education.

    Education is what you were supposed to go to school to get, but all of the pressures placed on schools to get you ready for the workforce weakens the cirricula to the point where many educational programs are just "white-collar" apprenticeships. If you want education, you will have to challenge yourself to get one. Nobody can give you "insight" in a field as that's the gift you give yourself after you have had enough exposure to that field's challenged.

    For some it's very little exposure to gain insight, for others it's a whole lot, and for many, they claim they have it far too early (and dangerously may have a very flawed understanding). Education is a work in progress, and by protecting your GPA, you make make yourself more "marketable" (only for that first job), but you won't necessairly make yourself any more educated.

    If you're worried about the GPA, then take the class. You will put much more work into the subject than 80% to 90% of your classmates, and you will learn FAR more than they will. But if you only take the classes you know you can pass, you will leave with 4 years of your life wasted because you are only marginally better than when you entered.

    --- End Education Rant ---

    1. Re:The diff between apprenticeship and education by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



      Well no I wouldnt say that. In some classes I do learn stuff. I must protect my GPA because school isnt designed for learning, at least community college isnt, you must get a good GPA.

      My problem isnt knowledge or gathering it, I have knowledge and I dont really learn in the classroom usually.

      What I'm after is a degree, sure if I can learn thats good too. After 4 years of taking classes I know i can pass, I'll be prepared to go to graduate school at Harvard. 4 years wasted? definately not, because knowledge means nothing if you dont have connections and this is what your elite private university provides.

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    2. Re:The diff between apprenticeship and education by DeanOh · · Score: 1

      OK, I've followed this thread with growing annoyance and can't restrain myself any longer. I know that "HanzoSan" will respond with a string of "Yeah but I...." paragraphs, but I'm going to fire away.

      Let me qualify myself. I am a math/physics/chemistry rock. Just not wired up for those disciplines. I have other gifts that I've been able to make the most of (primarily writing, critical thinking and foreign language acquistion). There have been occaisional breakthroughs (in statistics and geometry)
      in the world of numbers, but I am painfully
      aware of my own limitations in grokking them
      and in the way my left side wetwire is wired.

      But: I appreciate the place math and physical
      science have in both my personal and professional
      lives, and respect BOTH the science and those
      who are facile in them. In fact, I work in a highly technical environment with some actual rocket scientists, and we are all smart enought
      to realize the special talents each of us add in
      taking on our hardest problems.

      I used community college between my freshman and sophmore years of college (after a review of my HS transcript revealed I was in an 1 yeard "Algebra for Dummies" section that took 2 years to complete instead of actually taking a 2nd year of Algebra. A community college gave me the 2nd year I needed.

      After a 17-year interruption in my eductation (a long story fueled by ETOH), I eventually received my BS degree from the State University of New York via a non-traditional program, that permitted me to meet the math/science requirement with a CLEP exam. A mear four years after that....and while still working full time...I received an MS from the University of MD (which included an A in stats). I'm not about to complete any differential equations for fun an profit. But, I have a full appreciation for those who can, and for the value that hard numbers and real science add to any problem: whether it's an orbital manuever calculation or simply determining the proportions of a piece of sculpture.

      But here's my bottom line: YOU NEED A PLAN "B" that does not included attending an "elite private university." Because here's the real deal: they turn away many many many times more well qualified candidtates than they admit. And they do without a second thought, because they know that every well qualfied applicant will get into another school someplace.

      Success in life does NOT depend on where you go to school or how you obtain your eduction. It comes from respecting the power of learning, understanding what you are good at, and from passion for ideas and accomplishment.

      The superficiality of your stated desire ("I might meet some important people who can hook me in the future") will be crystal clear to any interview.

      Figure out what you love to learn about. And then figure out how to go work in that field. Get eductated because you want to contribute to the body knowlege (either in research or in practice), not because you might have classmates who will get you a job. Good grief.

      And for what it's worth, I have a friend who's son made an academic journey from a Maryland community college student to an MFA from Harvard. His passion for creating art carried him to Cambridge, and beginning his eductaion at a CC held him back in no way.

      I am now an adjunct instructor the community college where I live. My #1 message from outside the text: establish goals for your eduction and your professional life. My #2 message: it's never to late to learn, achieve or grow. But you have to start with a work ethic, and not a bucket of "Yeah buts..." Put yours away, and get to work. Screw the GPA and the admissions challenges associated with "elite private universities", and go challenge yourself.....

  143. Read Feynman and the "Introducing..." books by ralphbecket · · Score: 1

    For an extremely accessible and entertaining overview of "what it's all about", the "Introducing ..." books come highly recommended. They won't teach you any formulae, but they will give you an excellent picture of what mathematics/physics/quantum theory/et cetera are all about and the history of the big questions that have driven these fields. Don't be put off by the cartoonish style of the books - they're written by people who know and love their subject.

    Check out
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /1840 460571/qid=1059872794/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-380183 5-2881520?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
    http://www.am azon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1840 460113/qid=1059872822/sr=5-1/ref=cm_lm_asin/104-38 01835-2881520?v=glance
    http://www.amazon.com/exec /obidos/tg/detail/-/1840 461586/qid=1059872822/sr=5-2/ref=cm_lm_asin/104-38 01835-2881520?v=glance
    (Don't pay too much attention to the odd poor review: they're from people who were expecting textbooks where these books simply try to show you the big picture.)

    For physics and mathematics, I cannot recommend volume I of Richard Feynman's "Lectures on Physics" highly enough. Feynman is the clearest scientific writer I've ever come across. Within a few pages he can take you from basic addition all the way to an understanding of calculus that my entire schooling in the fast stream for mathematics never managed to convey.

    Look at
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201021 153/ qid=1059873620/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_3/104-3801835-28815 20

    Cheers.

  144. One of the best I've seen by Walter+Wart · · Score: 1

    I'm heading back to school and have forgotten way too much math. The best single book I've come across is "All the Mathematics You Missed But Need to Know for Graduate School" [Thomas Garrity, Cambridge University Press 0-521-79285-1].

    It's weak in that it lacks practice problems, but it gives good familiarity with the major topics in about 340 pages. No mean feat.

    Also good, of course, are "Div, Grad, Curl and all That" and "How to Solve It"

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  145. Integrated Math and what to avoid by DoktorFaust · · Score: 1

    Although I didn't actually formally use any of these math books, my sister and several of my friends used "Integrated Math" published by Houghton Mifflin Co. The idea with this book is that they teach you math by showing you how to use it and not do like "Saxon" and merely drill you to death. I would recommend at least taking a good look at this series for high school level mathematics.

    If you would like something a little bit more advanced (college freshman level), Integrated Physics and Calculus by my undergraduate advisor and math professor is a very nice text that integrates the learning of calculus with uses in physics. I would recommend something like this over the Feynman series that people talk about.

    A couple of avenues to consider...

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  146. for physics and chemistry by johnMG · · Score: 1

    A very good general physics textbook is Ohanian's Physics. For something even easier and maybe more fun to start off with, there's "the cartoon guide to physics". :) As for chemistry, you may want to have a copy of Linux Pauling's, err.. Linus Pauling's General Chemistry (a Dover paperback). He was truly a giant in the field.

  147. e: The Story of a Number by hcetSJ · · Score: 1

    Eli Maor's book e: The Story of a Number is an interesting read, and you can pick up a lot of calculus from it (I read it in high school before I had calculus, and learned a lot). It's may not be meant to convey understanding of the math so much as to explore the history (which is actually pretty interesting--did you know the inventor of the logarithm was excommunicated?), but there's still a lot of math to be learned from it (like the difference between Newton's and Leibniz's Calculus, and why we use Leibniz's, but still consider Newton to be the father/inventor of the Calculus [and why Calculus gets capitalized and a definite article]).

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  148. Euclids Window by chucking · · Score: 1

    Euclid's Window
    The Story of Geometry from Parallel Lines to Hyperspace
    Leonard Mlodinow

    I've always considered myself a math retard (cant do anything more complicated than algebra) and I try to avoid math stuff because I never felt I 'got it'.

    However, while reading this book, I kept finding myself saying "Why didn't they tell me this stuff in high school and college? It would have made things so much easier to understand."

    And while you might think that any book about mathmatics/geometry must be pretty boring, I actually found this book hard to put down - its under 300 pages and I had read most of it in three days.

  149. try some non-textbook books as well.... by vandensype · · Score: 1

    Being a biologist by profession, I find that the non-technical/textbook books tend to be very helpful and a nice change of pace for me. Some books that I recommend are (sorry for no authors, but I'm doing this off the top of my head): A Tour of the Calculus: A nice history of calculus and *why* it is so useful. Relativity: an intro into his theory in simple terms. Also see, a brief history of time by Hawking. The Beak of the Finch: Pultizer prize book and a fascinating read about the study of the evolutiuonarry relationships in Darwin's finches in the Galapogos Islands. Fermats Enigma: nice story of one of the most famous math problems ever. These books might not make you more proficient in actually doing any problems, but they are good insights into why and how math/science thinking is done.

  150. -1, Troll ??? Fuck you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it that whenever you say something against the Slashdot orthodoxy, you get modded as a troll. Little twat geeks cannot seem to handle different opinions.

    1. Re:-1, Troll ??? Fuck you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Little twat geeks

      I know you are, but what am I.

      Well, somebody out there had a different opinion about your post. You seem to be the one not handling it.

      Geez, I've been unjustly troll-modded too, but I don't throw a temper tantrum. Deal with it.

  151. Science Labs by cheezboy · · Score: 1

    You might want to try a lab in the subject you are interested in. They usually offer good insight into how things work, once you know what is going on it is usually easier to see where you need to start. As a Physics Grad Student I have taught labs and recitations. The students seem to understand the more challenging problems better if they do a lab and Pay Attention to what is going on.

    Drawing pictures of what is happening is also very useful when working problems.

  152. Calculus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find this book somewhere and read some of it: "Calculus: One-Variable Calculus with an Introduction to Linear Algebra," by Tom Apostol. It is unlike any other calculus book I've seen and I found it to be far more fascinating for its difference. It is not a "dummies" book--probably a polar opposite, in fact. I wish it could have been my calculus book when I was learning. There's two volumes, but they are fat, dense books, so you may not ever need (or reach) the second volume... (Oh, and try to find it in a library, because you'll never see it in a store and it has a serious price tag.)

  153. Re:the bible isn't a good measuring post for books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of the more scholarly archeological periodicals and researchers do a good job. That isn't to say that they are always right, but many of them are good informational sources.

  154. Mr. Tompkins! by toothfish · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mr Tompkins in Wonderland and Mr. Tompkins Explores the Atom are both fictional narratives that demonstrate relativity through greatly exaggerated examples-- apparently Mr. George Gamow has written an umber of other physics books as well.

    They're fun to read, and definitely helped me in high school AP physics.

  155. Study Economics by PoiBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If you want to gain a solid foundation in mathematics, study introductory graduate-level economics texts. Mathematics is much easier to appreciate when you know why you are learning it. Learning optimal control theory would probably be dry and boring on its own, but by studying modern macroeconomics, you will learn optimal control theory as well as a solid grasp of typical applications.

    I would recommend Mas-Colell, Whinston, and Green's "Microeconomic Theory" and Obstfeld and Rogoff's "Foundations of International Macroeconomics" Both presume only a limited background in mathematics (and economics) and have generous explanations of the mathematical tools being used.

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  156. popular science reviews by danny · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You might find my popular science book reviews useful.

    Danny.

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  157. Lewis Carroll Epstein's books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Thinking Physics for general physics and Relativity Visualized for special relativity. These books are elementary but very clear and fun to read.

  158. Number Devil by bettiwettiwoo · · Score: 1

    I don't know how old your children are, but everyone deserves to read Hans Magnus Enzensberger's The Number Devil: A Mathematical Adventure .

    True, it only explains basic mathematical concepts, but does so in such a charming way you and your children might end up hooked on mathematics forever.

    Who wouldn't want a Number Devil anyway?

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  159. AC what exactly are you talking about? by HanzoSan · · Score: 2, Interesting



    Not everyone by birth is a genius at math, some people must work for YEARS to get the B in math.

    "If you can't even get a B in a community college undergraduate math class,"

    I'm not a Math person.

    "you're not going to make it at Harvard or any truly "ELITE" university, private or not. Sorry."

    Thats exactly why I wont major in math or science at Harvard.

    "Getting a real education takes work on your part, not simply gaming the system for least effort per credit or slapping the right label on a bogus degree. It's not something other people do to you, it's something you do for yourself."

    I am working, but I also know the system is not a very fair system, and the system does not reward hard work, it rewards those who "game" the system. So yeah I could learn math, get a C in math, have a bad GPA and never get into an elite private university, or I can get a good GPA, find some way into an elite university, and then take the math classes when I'm there.

    I see no reason why I should take them now and get bad grades now when my grades actually matter when I can get bad grades later. And what you said doesnt make any sense, you act like a person must get a B in every single class they ever took in college, we all know that this is very unlikely as most people are humans who have strengths and weaknesses. I might get a C in Algebra and Calculus, but I'll never have to take those two classes again once I actually go ahead and do it, so for you to tell me that because I cant get a B in calculus that I'll never be able to handle university is pretty ignorant, I mean sure if I were majoring in math and science you'd be right, but I suppose you didnt do a good job looking at the list of possible majors which do not require you take tons of math classes.

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    1. Re:AC what exactly are you talking about? by dcollins · · Score: 1

      And what you said doesnt make any sense, you act like a person must get a B in every single class they ever took in college, we all know that this is very unlikely as most people are humans who have strengths and weaknesses.

      Actually, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think you'll find that most people going to Harvard did in fact get A's in all their prior courses, regardless of their major. Probably so too while they're at college.

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  160. Re:Atrocious new age speculation. by MuParadigm · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but you seem to be arguing a point here and - while I understand the point - I'm not sure how it orginated to anything in my previous post (i.e. the parent post).

    In any case, to answer your questions:

    A) Yes, I was aware that von Neumann was suportive of preemptive war.

    B) No I did not know about the Churchill quote.

    C) I have read Poundstone's "Prisoner's Dillema" and found it to be quite an interesting read, as well as a nice overview of some of the ideas in game theory.

    If what you are taking exception to is the phrase "Atrocious new age speculation", I assure you that game theory and social sciences were not what I meant by that phrase. It was a criticism of Capra's amd Zukav's attempts to imbue physics with a layer of spiritualism that cannot be accommodated within the scientific method. Zukav, in particular, seems to have done way too much acid.

    In other words, please don't take the statement as a criticism of the so-called "soft sciences" for which I have a healthy respect. The statement was a criticism of non-science and it's popularization through books claiming to be about science.

  161. Economics vs Ratchet, Divide-and-conquer by pg--az · · Score: 1

    Ah, mumbo-jumbo. 1st-and-only rule of economics - get either a monopoly or a niche, with niche being merely a diminutive form of monopoly. Then you use the divide-and-conquer ratchet - visit your many suppliers and pick the cheapest one, iterate. "Niche" has some subtlety when there are complementary functions to be performed, like the complementary proteins in rice and beans. This is well discussed by Brandenburger and Nalebuff in Co-opetition. I rant - http://www.xmemes.com/cess/CoOpetition_000.htm To thus oversimplify, I invite a scathing response from PoiBoy. I mean, you have invested years in studying details which I have obviously never touched on. So the question remains - are there some underlying fundamentals beneath all of that mumbo-jumbo, which I have missed out on ? If so, someone must have made an attempt to simplify them for the non-specialist, and I'm always interested in knowing about such distillations. I was unable to make the fancy frames-page-index at www.xmemes.com work well outside of MSIE, sorry

  162. Learning Mathematics by petrus4 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    http://math.about.com/
    http://www.math.com/
    http://homeschooling.about.com/cs/math/index.htm?t erms=math
    http://homeschooling.about.com/cs/science/
    http://physics.about.com/
    What is Science?

    Even on the off chance that the About network doesn't have all the information you need, they have a large number of links to sites with relevant information across the Web, so there's a very good chance that you will be able to use them to find what you are looking for.
    Also...although these are not strictly an answer to your question, I would still heartily encourage you to follow the links to these (listed in a suggested order of reading...my probably misguided opinion only) text files, web pages, and books, as I think they could be of enormous benefit to both your children and yourself...indeed, anyone who wishes to read them. Although I understand that several of these could possibly only be understood at tertiary level, they also as far as I know are not normally included in *general* curriculums, and IMHO they should be.

    It used to be in the past that the education systems of most nations didn't want us to know the why (philosophy, religion, history, political theory) of life, but were content enough to let us know the how. (Science without analysis, numeracy and literacy skills, etc) Now however we are seeing that primarily in America, but also in other places, government education departments no longer even want to allow people to know the how.

    Mathematics is part of the how - a means to an end, a way of solving problems - but it is not a destination in itself. The material I've given you links to in my second section is concerned with finding out *why* - "Why am I here? Who am I? How do I know what reality is? What do I want to do with my life? What moral values do I believe in?"
    The answers to these questions are far more important than becoming merely literate or mathematically capable for their own sake. Figure out what your purpose is first, and the rest, although still requiring work, will be relatively easy. That is what the links in the second list will help you do, and it's not something you'll be taught to do in any contemporary public school, either...Governments consider people with purpose to be highly dangerous.

  163. Ms.Geek, why? by HanzoSan · · Score: 1


    If I face up to it now it could RUIN me and make it so I cannot afford to go to college at all, It can also keep me from getting into an elite school if I screw up now, I mean sure after you've got 10 As and Bs, the occassional C wont mess up your GPA, but when you have only around a dozen As and Bs, that C will totally destroy your GPA.

    The GPA is everything when it comes to transfering out of community college, and shouldnt my goal be to get into university first, and then worry about learning once I've established my abilities to the world?

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    1. Re:Ms.Geek, why? by MsGeek · · Score: 1
      If I face up to it now it could RUIN me and make it so I cannot afford to go to college at all, It can also keep me from getting into an elite school if I screw up now, I mean sure after you've got 10 As and Bs, the occassional C wont mess up your GPA, but when you have only around a dozen As and Bs, that C will totally destroy your GPA.

      Suit yourself, Hanzo. Those elite schools will pass you over for avoiding math much quicker than they will looking at your overall GPA. There is a sure-fire way to avoid that C...HARD WORK. If you aren't good in math, rather than dance around it, get some help! Tutoring and other services are usually available at Community Colleges.

      Perhaps you might have an undiagnosed learning disability that prevents you from "grokking" math. Again, find out about resources available to you and use them.

      It is utterly impossible to get a degree, anywhere, without math. That is, unless you answer one of those many spams for U.N.I.V.E.R.S.I.T.Y D.E.G.R.E.E.S F.A.S.T. You know the ones...the ones you get in the same batch as the Nigerian Scam and "free porn passwords."

      It's up to you, HanzoSan.

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    2. Re:Ms.Geek, why? by HanzoSan · · Score: 1


      Suit yourself, Hanzo. Those elite schools will pass you over for avoiding math much quicker than they will looking at your overall GPA. There is a sure-fire way to avoid that C...HARD WORK. If you aren't good in math, rather than dance around it, get some help! Tutoring and other services are usually available at Community Colleges.

      According to the admissions, based on whats on their websites and documentation, a Philosophy or Liberal Arts major is not required to take calculus as a prerequisite, so why should I take it if its not required? Would it really boost me up that much ?

      There is a sure-fire way to avoid that C...HARD WORK. If you aren't good in math, rather than dance around it, get some help! Tutoring and other services are usually available at Community Colleges.

      I cant get tutoring because I dont have a car yet, and I dont live on campus because its community college, so this isnt an option, when I live on campus then I can get tutoring.

      Perhaps you might have an undiagnosed learning disability that prevents you from "grokking" math. Again, find out about resources available to you and use them.

      A learning disability is an excuse, the reason I dont get math is because math is useless, to actually suggest that someone has a learning disability because they dont get math is like me claiming anyone who cant use Linux or anyone who doesnt understand C must have a learning disability.

      It is utterly impossible to get a degree, anywhere, without math. That is, unless you answer one of those many spams for U.N.I.V.E.R.S.I.T.Y D.E.G.R.E.E.S F.A.S.T. You know the ones...the ones you get in the same batch as the Nigerian Scam and "free porn passwords."

      Ok, check out some of these sites, look under "philosophy" as the major, and tell me where it says you need to take calculus to get a degree in philosophy.
      http://www.bu.edu/
      http://www.northeastern.edu/
      http://www.bc.edu/
      http://www.tufts.edu/
      http://www.hampshire.edu/flash/index.php
      http://www.amherst.edu/
      http://www.umass.edu/

      Math is a prerequisite for SCIENCE degrees only. Show me where it says you MUST take math to be accepted into any of these schools for a philosophy degree? At most I'll need to take an a linear algebra class or a pre calculus class, thats it.

      One class is all you must pass in order to get a degree, and I can take this class during the summer and get a C, and get my degree. So tell me why you think it would be a good idea to take it now if none of the schools say its a requirement for acceptance?

      If the schools DID say its a required class for acceptance into their philosophy program, I'd take the class, but that would delay me from transfering for another semester so I dont see a point, I think instead i will transfer out of community college into one of the 4 year colleges on the list I showed you, and then take the mathclass, when I actually LIVE on campus and no longer have to worry about traveling for over 2 hours to get to school via public transportation.

      Hard work can avoid a C? Actually no it cant, it depends on how good you are at what you are doing. You can work hard and get a C, or you can breeze through a class and get an A, if you are doing something you never were taught in highschool, such as say a student who comes from another country and decided to take a college level english class, theres no way in hell they'd get an A, because they never learned English before, math is the same way, its unrealistic for me to believe I can make up for 12 years of not being taught something, simply by cramming 12 years of work into one semester.

      Sure I can pass with a C, but I dont think I'd truely underst

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    3. Re:Ms.Geek, why? by MsGeek · · Score: 1
      Math is a prerequisite for SCIENCE degrees only. Show me where it says you MUST take math to be accepted into any of these schools for a philosophy degree? At most I'll need to take an a linear algebra class or a pre calculus class, thats it.

      OK, I must have misunderstood you. I thought that you were saying you had *zero* courses in Math and no intention of taking any. I agree with you about Calculus...neither your or my academic goal requires Calculus. However, in order to get an Associates in California community colleges, you have to have at least introductory Algebra, and for teacher prep you need to have intermediate Algebra, Geometry and a class called "Math for Educators."

      Most degrees indeed require only one math class. I guess you don't consider Algebra as math, then.

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    4. Re:Ms.Geek, why? by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



      introduction algebra is nothing, my problem is when you get to intermediate algebra, I just cant remember all the formulas.

      Geometry is easy because you can apply this to the real world, you can even apply trig to some extent.

      Upper level Algebra is the math I hate. If they'd let me pick out the math class I want to take, I'd take statistics, discrete math, combinatorics, or at least something I can actually use.

      I hate intermediate algebra and precalculus, so I will avoid it at all costs, I know I'll have to eventually take it, thats why I purchased the book calculus made easy.

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    5. Re:Ms.Geek, why? by Wavicle · · Score: 1

      introduction algebra is nothing, my problem is when you get to intermediate algebra, I just cant remember all the formulas[...]Upper level Algebra is the math I hate. If they'd let me pick out the math class I want to take, I'd take statistics, discrete math, combinatorics, or at least something I can actually use.

      If your biggest hangup with mathematics is rote memorization, all three of those are bad choices (statistics is probably the least bad). There is good reason they don't let you just pick those classes (you could probably take an introductory stats class with the algebra you have).

      From a computer science perspective, Discrete Mathematics is a lot of fun and has a lot of applicability to database theory, recursion and logic. It was, however, among the worst classes I had for getting knocked down by small issues (such as forgetting to put reflexive elements into an equivalence relation). In order to get through the exams covering proofs (inductive and contradiction) you will have to be comfortable with algebra. You should take at least a pre-calculus level math course before attempting Discrete Math. Although I'm sure right now you'd have no problems converting between number systems, much of everything else would likely bury you in abstraction and rules.

      It's good stuff... it's all the beginning of understanding why relational databases work the way do. But if you don't have enough algebra to make quick work of those problems, you'll probably hate the class.

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    6. Re:Ms.Geek, why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Howdy. :-)

      introduction algebra is nothing, my problem is when you get to intermediate algebra, I just cant remember all the formulas.

      Here is what you do: Buy 200 3 x 5 "recipe" cards before even thinking about it. Then every time you're looking through your math notes or textbooks, worried that you will forget a formula, on the unlined side of a new card, you write a question in plain words, the only possible answer to which must be the formula to be memorized. On the other side, the lined side, you write the formula. Keep a rubber band around your stack of cards. Three times per day, shuffle and flash these cards at yourself. Write the answers down as you test yourself. When you flip a card and discover that you made mistake during this self testing, "punish" yourself just like the proverbial kid held after school. Without looking at the previous copy of the formula, write the formula down 10 times per mistake. My stack of cards is approaching 140 for going back to college after a dozen years out of the game, and I'm "restarting" with Calc. II going back in. =-O Eeek! (We're talking formulas from algebra, trig, analytic geometry, pre-calc, and Calc. I, all having gathered dust for more than a dozen years.) After cramming for hours with my "recipe" cards, I'm not scared anymore.

      One more thing: Schaum's ouTlines book, "Calculus" and "Pre-Calculus" in the same (ouTlines) series are excellent but not if you don't already have a clue of the concepts. They are great for sharpening wobbly skills for things you already grasp. They only cost sixteen bucks each.

      When I said "one more thing", I lied through my fingertips.

      Upper level Algebra is the math I hate. If they'd let me pick out the math class I want to take, I'd take statistics, discrete math, combinatorics, or at least something I can actually use.

      "One" more thing: Statistics is like the weekly worship service at the altar of the normal distribution curve, which, in turn, is built out of calculus. (It is also the same thing as a grading curve, which matters for education majors in debates about "objective" grades versus "per batch" dog-eat-dog grading on a curve.) For that matter, Calc I is a prereq. for more than just science. Biz and econ are big on Calc I. as prerequisites (any study of changing rates of events happening in time). Calc. I and sometimes Calc. II are even important for matters of law enforcement/criminal justice, philosophy, political science, and (without a doubt) psych., soc., and even sexology.

      (For example, if some scholar points to a scatter diagram of reported AIDS cases versus poll numbers of awareness, and a disagreeing scholar claims that people in history "learned earlier", the instantaneous "rate" of cluefulness, dCluefulness/dInfectionRate on AIDS is a part of the scholarly argument, which, in turn, would be a premise about the sexual behavior of some subpopulation at some point in history. Is linear regression from said scatter plot relevant? What if a regression analysis is tried to fit the data plot better with a non-constant dCluefulness/dInfectionRate? If not, how would dCluefulness/dInfectionRate "bend" to more aptly describe the data? Does it trend toward linearity over time (

      anyway)? If so, how fast? Fast enough to be considered significant? For people who were "slow learners" about AIDS-transfer prevention, can the changes in rates point to some relationship of behavioral "stubbornness" that correlates strongly with the particular sexual behavior topical to the debate? Even liberal vs. liberal, there are sound arguments and disagreements in ethics as a propositional ("textbook") public health official, which shows that we have already wandered into "mere philosophy". The language of the schol

  164. Not enough room? by dsb · · Score: 1

    I took a diff eq class that finished with 6 people. I then took a complex class that had about the same amout before I dropped out because of real world commitments (9/11). I don't think it's because of room, other than schools that are specifically for the engineering studies. There is just not the interest.

  165. Bryson and Pratchett by Strepsil · · Score: 1

    There are exactly two books that have ever got me interested in science, and after reading each, I've said the same thing - "Why the hell didn't I have books like this in school?"

    Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything" and Terry Pratchett's "The Science of Discworld"

    Both gave me an incredible overview of the issues and concepts in science, and serve as a great jumping off point for further reading, once you've spotted areas that really interest you. The Discworld book is probably a lot better if you've read some of Pratchett's other books (don't be fooled by the title - it's actually an overview of our science, not the Discworld's), but the Bryson book is readable by anyone.

  166. Re:books... (honors math) by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1

    The best place to understands the concepts behind (for example) Algebra is to go to your local University and find out what the first year Honors Math texts are. (at the U of Alberta, at least), Honors math was intended for people going into PhDs, and so they tended to explain why something is being done, rather than just how. You might find the same sort of attitude in honors physics and Chemistry texts, as well.

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  167. Against the Gods by usmcpanzer · · Score: 1

    Against the Gods:The Remarkable story of Risk. Read it for a finance class, and while it is suppose to be on risk management, its the story of the development of statisitcs, which means it is also a story on the development of math. Its an easy read, an give a good borad view on statistical concepts and how they are used (and abused).

  168. "Forgotten Algebra" and "Forgotten Calculus" by... by Sergeant+Beavis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Barbara Lee Bleau Ph.D. are excellent books. I was in a similar situation in that I decided to go back to college at age 32. Being that I was educated in Louisiana (worst in the nation) I never was properly taught many math principles. I was very fortunate when friend pointed me to these books. Both book start under the assumption that your math understanding is at an elementary level (basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.) It is a truly great teaching guide and workbook which was so successful for me that I passed the math placement test at The Univ. of North Texas and will be taking Pre-Calc this semester. As for physics, I have seen several great books recommended so far. I'm reading Dr. Hawking's book right now.

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  169. Particle Garden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Particle Garden is written by Gordon Kane. I was lucky enough to go to one of his lectures. I can tell by how well he did his lecture that his book will probably be pretty readable.

  170. David Bodanis by ulwen · · Score: 1, Interesting

    E=mc^2 by David Bodanis is an easy to read book and explains that equation we all "know" so that even cameron diaz can understand it. www.davidbodanis.com has got lots of physics related stuff for the interested too.

  171. Helpful basic physics books by MindNumbingOblivion · · Score: 3, Informative

    Physics: The Human Adventure, Gerald Holton and Stephen Brush
    Nice, historical look at how well known physical concepts of today were discovered.
    Physics for Scientists and Engineers, Paul Fishbane and Stephen Gasiorowicz

    First few chapters good if you have a basic knowledge of calculus. For the later chapters (ie, Electricity and Magnetism, basic quantum mechanics) good idea to have a calculus book handy, I reccomend
    Calculus: Early Transcendentals, James Stewart
    First chapter is a good review of algebra, precalculus, and analytical geometry. Through chapter 7, fairly straightforward. Chapter on sequences and series is kind of fuzzy, though it mostly makes sense.
    Hope this helps!

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    1. Re:Helpful basic physics books by spike+it · · Score: 1

      I second the recommendation of Calculus: Early Transcendentals, James Stewart. This is the textbook I used in college, and I found it extremely helpful.

    2. Re:Helpful basic physics books by MindNumbingOblivion · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm a physics major; all of my calculus classes have used the Stewart book...although I think we're fixing to start using a new edition...damn the rising cost of education!!

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  172. Math Proofs Are Not Real Proofs by Vagary · · Score: 1

    I am writing this post in case you read the parent's wise comments and decide that to know mathematics you must know proofs. Proof theory is part of logic, a discipline that is sometimes slotted under math, sometimes philosophy, and sometimes by itself. Unfortunately, the proofs of logicians are nothing at all like the proofs of mathematicians.

    Logical proofs are rigorous -- they can be checked mechanically for accuracy and even generated through largely automatic means. Mathematical proofs are known by the technical term "hand-waving" and are actually an informal argument for other mathematicians (just as legal arguments are intended for other lawyers and judges). If the "proofs" of mathematics were as rigorous as the proofs of logic, then how could we ever run into problems where proofs are later found to be incorrect? Some nutcase who thinks he's proved Goldbach's Conjecture would be turned away by the journal's oracle (to borrow an idea from programming competitions) if they were too lazy to check the proof on their own computer.

    And don't go smoke a bunch of Hofstadter and think that mathematics is too undecidable for automated proof tools: if mathematicians were serious about producing rigorous proofs they'd simply have to assist their theorem provers at choice moments with the necessary insight. As a result, every mathematics paper would be a long serious of simple, incremental steps which can be examined by a layman or even a computer. Instead, they perpetuate their own job security by writing in tongues.

    If you ever hope to do mathematics, don't make the mistake I did: avoid learning symbolic logic at all costs.

    1. Re:Math Proofs Are Not Real Proofs by bgalehouse · · Score: 1
      Ok, OK. Technically, all the proofs in the math journals should be fed through HOL. In fact a fairly large amount of standard textbook analysis and algebra has been run through it.

      But it is very time consuming to implement thngs in HOL and mathematician aren't actually that bad at proof checking, for all that they are human.

      As far as proof and mathematics, one can, of course, use formulas provided by mathematicians without seeing the derivations. But sometimes, mathematicians do screw up and bad proofs are published, and so if nothing else one should at least have a sense for how wild the derivation was before using it.

    2. Re:Math Proofs Are Not Real Proofs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leslie Lamport, inventor of LaTeX, happens to agree with you. His paper on how to write a proof introduces a method of proof-writing that makes faulty proofs very easy to spot.

  173. For Calculus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try A Tour of the Calculus by David Berlinksi. This book reads like a novel, though at times a dry one. The author does a nice job of assuming that we know next to nothing about math, and lays the foundation of the calculus accordingly

  174. Study The proofs! by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 1

    I really hate to say this but you should take a proof course and always study the proofs for the theorems and try to proove some things yourself. In math you'll definently start out with courses where solving problems is enough but later on it becomes all proofs. I for one really hate doing proofs and find it all very trivial but it gives me a better understanding of the mathematics involved.

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    1. Re:Study The proofs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      true true, the way to understand math is to understand the mat proofs... if you understand proofs then you understand the math and how it is connected, how proofs build on other proofs... engeneers don't nessesarely understand math, they can use it, to make calculations with, but if you want to understand it then you will have to study proofs...

      forget the numbers, they are not important and letters are often better :-)

  175. Feynman's books rock, so does Halliday, Resnick by arete · · Score: 1

    All of Feynman's books rock.

    My favorite textbook for all time is a physics book, Halliday, Resnick et al's Fundamental's of Physics. (Some of the problems are mediocre, but the text is wonderful) If I hadn't had it in my university physics classes I would've gotten an F instead of an A.

    Also, as some other posters have said, Calculus is extremely important. It is a different way of thinking, better in many cases.

    Ben

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  176. I learned stuff too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One thing I noticed about studying math since I got out of school is that I learned stuff I didn't realize in school. Like PI. I learned what PI is: you take the diameter of a circle and wrap it around the outside of the circle. It will go 3.14 times. I don't think I ever realized that when I was in school.

    1. Re:I learned stuff too by billeger · · Score: 1

      Most refreshing that you have learned so much. You have done what many try all the time without success, stretching a diameter to 3.14 times the circumference without it breaking. What else can you tell us?

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  177. Spritualism vs Where-Control-Laws-Balance by pg--az · · Score: 0

    Ah - a layer of spiritualism that cannot be accommodated within the scientific method. I like your crisp response - so to stick the neck out, that it may be crisply chopped off... Let me plead guilty in-advance to being obsessed with big ideas, while my ability to cope with detail is suspect. I got a 4-year-degree in Physics but was not top-of-class. What do you think of the "root of all control-cascades" concept ? http://www.xmemes.com/cwhisper/WigIcon_000.htm http://www.xmemes.com/cwhisper/GravityIsWeakToo_00 0.htm It seems likely that posting will stick spaces in these long url's, I have found. OK, "God must be at the root of all control-cascades, duh, so that it non-falsifiable, therefore it is beyond science, end-of-subject." However I still dream that some rich person might wonder about closing-the-loop with the stare-angle-trainer concept. http://www.xmemes.com/cstare/StareAngleTrainer_000 .htm Supposing that on quiet days one might be on the edge of being able to filter through to the nano-whispers, another human presence ought to be an extremely strong signal. So I wonder, if the Stare-Angle-Trainer were built, THAT would be at least falsifiable. If from legions of promising test subjects, none could be trained into tracking a human stare, then listening for whispergods would seem less likely, that's a kind of falsifiability, at least.

    1. Re:Spritualism vs Where-Control-Laws-Balance by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      Dude! Are you,like, high? Or are you trying to prove Mr.Original Posters point that there are some books out there that shouldn't be in print?

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  178. The Best Overall Book by inertialFrame · · Score: 0

    The very best book that I encountered during my undergraduate days was Frank Shu's The Physical Universe. It is classic. Although it was published in 1982, Shu's book is still something that I would recommend to anyone who really wants to understand physics and astronomy.

    The material on the solar system is dated, but that's not the point. The real value is the historical approach, in which the reader is invited to work out key problems himself. The problems are integrated in-line with the text, and the more difficult problems (those requiring calculus) are identified as such. Despite the book's being billed as an introduction to astronomy, it really grounds the reader in the fundamentals of mechanics and thermodynamics. The material from basic physics is given excellent motivation by its immediate application to certain astrophysical problems. The reader is not left to wonder, "Why do I need to learn this?" Shu presents the physics, and then immediately shows why it's interesting and valuable.

  179. A couple suggestions by jefu · · Score: 1
    Its not easy going by any means(!!), but Spivak's "Calculus" is my favorite book on calculus - and does a very good job of trying to get at the mathematical why of the subject rather than just the "how to". I'm pretty sure this is out of print, but its well worth finding.

    I don't have a copy myself, but spent more than an hour one day reading "Who was Fourier?" in a bookstore and trying to figure out how I could use it in a class. Certainly worth looking at.

  180. I dunno by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I learned intergration from a text book, audio software and a calculator. A friend needed a program written to aproximate definite integrals to an arbitrary amount of percision. Integration by Parts I think it was called, but I'm not sure, it was 5 years ago. At any rate the idea was that the program would allow you to plug in the equation, the range, and the number of points to use.

    Well I didn't know how to integrate, I mean I knew what it was supposed to be but not how to do it. So I mulled over the information in the book and relasied that this was a process analogus to upsampling in digital audio. You get a step square wave when you digitise audio. Now if you want to move from a low sample rate to a higher one you can get a more accurate representation of the analogue curve. However if you have low sample data, the information has already been lost. YOu can, however, reconstruct it to an extent. What you do is use a variety of methods, the simple ones being like the midpoint or trapezoid rule, to estimate where the intemediary datapoints were.

    Well, with integration, you have a smooth curve, and you are taking discreet samples of it to calculate the area, so it is much like digitisation. This particular method was to pick the detail to an arbitrary level. I then wrote a program and got it to workright. At the end of all that, I understood how it worked and could do integrals of the type described without the help of my program.

    No one taught it to me, I just took the information in the book and worked it out. Now this isn't to say that real teachers are worthless, far from it, however it is possable to learn on your own just from a book and doing some kind of hands on practise.

  181. Economics - Monopoly + Predatory Pricing by pg--az · · Score: 0

    OK, there IS a second law of economics - use your monopoly power to build
    a huge war chest, from which you can undercut the prices of startup-wannabes so
    that they go out of business, being unable to outlast your price-wars.

    Searching the net, to this day I see things like the-Myth-of-Predatory-Pricing,
    from which derives much of my contempt for mumbo-jumbo-economics.
    Predatory pricing is straightforward and intuitively obvious and we see it every
    day, e.g. the Circuit-City-Commercials, so for folks steeped in mysterious
    equations to deny this obvious technique, well, that's mumbo-jumbo !

    http://www.xmemes.com/cess/PredatoryPricing_000. ht m

    I cannot figure out how to stop the posting process from putting spaces in my URLS !

  182. "Understanding Physics", by Isaac Asimov by PSaltyDS · · Score: 1

    This oldie-but-goodie was an intelectual break through for me. It consists of three 1966 Asimov texts in one volume. The three books, "Motion, Sound and Heat", "Light, Magnatism and Electricity", and "The Electron, Proton and Neutron", were put into one volume as "Understanding Physics" in 1993 by Barnes and Nobel. I read it myself about 1995 because it showed up on the bargain rack at about $5 for the hardback. It is still only $9.98 from their web site (see link above).

    The book reads chronologicaly from ancient Greece through the sixties and show how we came to believe and/or prove what we know of these subjects. In a chapter on the "Ether" and the Michalson-Morely experiment, I had in my mid-thirties the "Aha!" moment I never had in school about General Relativity. Also particularly valuable to me was the description of exactly how Mendelev arrived at the periodic table, and how that lead us to predict the properties of elements we hadn't even discovered yet! This book was specifically written for non-scientists who wanted to know some of the big ideas that were driving the discussion of the day, and it has Asimov's quality writing and historical perspective to make it very readable.

    I say "we" and "us" because Asmimov wrote of how the human race, not just and individual, devised ways of thinking and investigating that lead to thing no one individual could have dreamed of. Anyway, its my favorite "science" book, and I highly recommend it.

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  183. math book by AgileChen · · Score: 1

    One of the best way to learn mathematics is by following its history and see how new ideas were formed/discovered. It makes the concepts less abstract (less seemed pulled out of thin air by ur dull prof) and A WHOLE LOT more interesting. One book that offers such a perspective is: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393 04002X/ref=cm_wl_vvu-pg.1-pos.1/104-4995310-126551 5?v=glance&coliid=I13AVPIN0XVDBH&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER# product-details

  184. Graphs are important by vivshank · · Score: 1

    I've always found the Schaum series to be a great and very fast introductory books. I've sampled their Stats, Chem and maybe Math.

    The thing I'd like to stress about Math is the importance of graphs. If you don't understand the graphs, there's no point battling with differential equations and multi-variate calculus. Thomas&Finney is a kick ass book on calculus, which will serve you right from high school through college. Too bad I got hold of it only in my final year at college.

  185. put in the work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't mean to discourage you here, but the only way to really understand things like math and physics, especially math, is to sit down with one of those text books with all the "facts" and go through it till you understand everything. If you don't understand the basic stuff in that text, you need to get a text from a previous topic in the same subject, like if you don't understand trig, you need to go back and learn algebra better. It's not that the texts are flawed, it's that your understanding of basic concepts is flawed and you need to review.
    This is all assuming you really want to understand the subjects. If all you want to do is fool the average person who has no idea what you are talking about anyway then by all means, get a "physics for dummies" book, but there really is no shortcut to math and physics besides putting in the time.
    It's not like there is a new and different way to learn math and science once you are an adult. It's the same way you learn it when you are younger, study really hard.

    "The problem is, most textbooks are not
    designed to convey an understanding of the
    subject, but to squeeze in all the 'facts'
    required by state law. "

    If text books are no good, then where do all the college students around the world get all their understanding? Is there some secret they know that you don't?
    I wouldn't have had a problem if the post had just asked for a source of information to help their children with homework and such, but everyone trying to find a shortcut to understanding math and physics are just insulting those who put in the time to study it.

    1. Re:put in the work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If text books are no good, then where do all the college students around the world get all their understanding? Is there some secret they know that you don't?

      Actually, the secret is teaching. I think a lot of people underestimate how important it is to have a good teacher, and not just a good text.

      Think about it, how many classes have you taken from which you got a good understanding, only to realize later that you only covered maybe a third of the text?

      If sitting at home reading is something you enjoy, then there is a huge number of books that can give you the equivalent of a master's degree, but you have to do a lot more work to get it. Even then, you miss out on the rewards of learning in a group of peers, within a community of seasoned educators.

      College is expensive, but the highest-rated colleges and universities have earned their reputations for a reason. They really do offer a better quality education.

      Like Will said in Good Will Hunting, "You wasted $150,000 on an education you could have got for a buck fifty in late charges at the public library." Sure, but most of us aren't like Will-- we don't grasp complex ideas instantaneously. We have to study hard, and we want to finish school in a reasonable amount of time!

  186. Breadth first by PleaseDontBeTaken · · Score: 1

    Feynman explains the "why" and in such a natural way that you're much more likely to remember it later, especially if the original poster is learning it by himself. (BTW, the exercises reprints accompanying the lectures are available -- look for scsi-guy's ebay store, for one.) The lectures wouldn't work that well to teach yourself during a semester; you can't juggle four or five real classes, all the homework, and still internalize Feyman's lectures, which were supposed to be presented over two years.

    It raises the costs a lot (too much unless you are treating yourself or better yet, can get them from the library), but I found that listening to the audio tapes while reading the lectures to be a very powerful experience. There's no substitute for the subtlety, emphasis, and cadence that a great teacher brings to a subject he has mastered.

    The beauty of the Feynman lectures is that they are very accessible. You don't have to "get deep" to get understand the main points.

    As far as the depth goes--either Feynman himself or the foreword mentioned that they were a bit much for many of the students, but that as the course progressed, many of the seats vacated by the students were taken over by the other Caltech faculty.

    One extremely well-written textbook is Calculus in Context. It is modestly below the level of my high school and college math texts, but years later, when I want to remind myself how to do something and why it's the right thing to do, it's a great reference.

    If anyone reads this and can give a lead on where to buy copies of the calculus text that Feynman himself mentioned in "Surely You're Joking..." I'd really appreciate it.

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  187. Explaining Why by ltbarcly · · Score: 1

    It isn't likely that you will be able to find such a book. In order to gain even a rudimentary understanding of math or physics requires several years of undergraduate work and a few years of graduate, at which point you might have a decent grasp of the subject you studied. Certainly these are broad areas, and you will still barely be scratching the surface.

    Euclid was once employed as a tutor of mathematics in the royal household of King Ptolemy I, who complained about the difficulty of the theorems which Euclid expected him to learn.
    When the king asked whether there might be an easier way to approach the subject, Euclid gently reproached him: "Sire," he said, "there is no royal road to geometry."

  188. Don't Listen to the Engineers!!!! by the+end+of+britain · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'm sort of in the position you describe, or at least I was until my mid-twenties when I finally entered University to study mathematics and English literature. I learned nothing about mathematics in high school, and I had to start over--now I'm going into my senior year and may write an honors thesis. I have a couple of guidelines and then a list of suggestions.

    Guidelines:

    1. If you really want to understand mathematics, stay away from suggestions made my engineers; in particular, eschew books that dumb down mathematical theory in favor of the 'this is how you compute the solution' approach. Silvanus Thompson I find to be especially egrigious in this regard (those who try to learn calculus from Thompson will never understand the rigorous notion of a Limit, which is hardly pedantic since the derivative is itself a limit and the Riemann integral is the limit of a Riemann sum).

    2. Be patiant with yourself. Geometry, Analysis (which includes what is called calculus) and Algebra have required centuries of constant effort to develop. If you go for the 'fast and cheap' approach to learning it, you will aquire nothing more than skills, when what you really want is knowledge.

    Books:

    Preliminary topics: Before you can think, you must memorize certain things and learn other things by rote. This will be hard and painful, but these fundamental topics are to mathematics as the alphabet and grammar is to Shakespeare, Milton, and Joyce. They are: the notion of a function, the laws of exponents, elementary trigonometry (sine, cosine, tangent, and their inverses), the binomial theorem, the definition of a polynomial, factoring polynomials, setting up applied problems in algebra, linear equations and their graphs, simple nonlinear equations and their graphs, slope and area, the Pythagorean Theorem. Most of these basic noitions are covered in Forgotten Algebra (which is published by Barrons for people just like us, and College Algebra, by Michael Sullivan.

    Fundamental Notions:

    By fundamental notions I mean ideas that form the basis for other ideas. Mathematics is all about definitions, and definitions are all about ideas; you cannot learn complicated ideas without understanding basic ideas (if you don't believe me, try explaining why every vector space has a basis to someone who doesn't understand what linear independence is). Unlike preliminary topics, fundamental notions are actually fun to learn--you get to think instead of just memorize and drill! I know of one wonderful book for this sort of thing, for someone in your position:

    1. A Tour of the Calculus, by David Berlinski. This will make you think about what 'continuity' is. Good preparation for calculus, which is all about continuous functions, and good because it presents mathematics as a branch of philosophy (which it is).

    Single Variable Calculus

    Single variable calculus is where you will find most of the major concepts in the subject; the next time you will think this much is in linear algebra, when you study why the derivative for a n-dimensional vector space is actually representable in terms of matrix multiplication (the derivative is a linear map.) Here are some good books on calculus:

    1. Calculus, Thomas and Finney. This text features a superb fusion of theory and application. The exercises are challenging, but doable for an independent student, and solution guides are available (these are indispensable as you search, at 2AM, for the mistake in your integration by partial fractions problem that required nine pages and is off by a constant).

    2. Calculus, by Michael Spivak. My favorite calculus book. A brilliant synthesis of upper division real analysis and run-of-the-mill calculus. Reading it is like feeling awestruck by the beauty of someone you have known for years and years. This also has a solution manual (which you will need, because here there are proofs).

    Advanced Mathematics

    Don't stop learning math just because you

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  189. Mod parent up. by chaboud · · Score: 1

    Many of the books published by Dover are written for readers who are not specialists in the field in question. As a result, they are quite easy to read at a fair pace and provide a good picture of the core ideas behind fairly developed subject matter.

    Though they are relatively inexpensive, they can be quite addicting. Pace yourself.

  190. Skip the Tao by jmichaelg · · Score: 2, Informative
    It was an attempt to understand what was going on in the nucleus that, like a lot of other ideas, died in the face of data. Once Stanford's Linear Accelerator started producing quarks and theory caught up with the experimental data, the Tao viewpoint was dead except in New Age bookstores.

    A much better book is Riordan's, The Hunting of The Quark.

  191. I applaud you by Transcendent · · Score: 1

    I'm glad that you have taken an interest in learning/relearning many general scientific and mathematical principles, as well as not-so-general for the sake of your own children (at least partially). Although not a parent, and really not old enough to be a parent, in my opinion, I still remember the huge impact that my father had on my life with his awesome, well-rounded education. Being a pharmacist, he helped spark my curiousity in biology and science in general (although I've strayed away and am majoring in computer and electrical engineering, ehh heh... but that passion is still there!), and being great with the handy work in the house and under the car, he gave me a very wide knowledge base at a young age, which has a priceless impact on children.

    Now that I am older and can appreciate the importance of that fully, it hurts me in a way to see parents struggling in coming to their childs aid with homework, projects, or just guidance in general...

    The importance of knowledge is often overlooked in today's fast-paced, pay-someone-else-to-do-it kind of world (at least the US is getting that way, I'm seeing), but gaining it at a young age, and keeping the fire strong throughout the years is one of the most important aspects of life.

    "If God gave us curiosity and intelligence, we would be ungrateful if we supressed our passion to explore the universe." -Unknown

  192. One, Two, Three... Infinity by Dratman · · Score: 2, Informative

    George Gamow's One, Two, Three... Infinity is an irreplaceable classic combining the author's deep understanding with jokes and whimsical stories about numbers and physics. An absolute joy, one of my favorite books since age twelve.

    --
    Sigmund
  193. Get your kids' books by p00ya · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure about over there in the US, but all my books (I'm in year 12 in .au) are quite good. None of them are focussed toward rote learning concepts (although chem has tendency to bombard me with formulae), to the point where our curriculum explicitly states that we should be "consolidating a conceptual understanding" rather than cramming.

    It seems strange to me that you could get through high school and college without knowing "the basic concepts of algebra, chemistry, calculus, physics", because all of these are taught from the (compulsory) start of secondary school here, and in years 11 and 12 if you choose them as electives. If you're looking to be able to "supplement [your] own kids' education," just grab their textbooks (starting from year 8 if you're not even familiar with basic albebra).

  194. A Tour of the Calculus by cquark · · Score: 3, Informative

    For a literate and entertaining look at the concepts of calculus, I highly recommend David Berlinski's A Tour of the Calculus. It won't teach you how to solve problems, but it will teach you the concepts behind limits, differentiation, and integration along with the important theorems and their proofs.

  195. Recreational Mathematics by The+boojum · · Score: 1

    I've always enjoyed books on recreational mathematics. You get a little bit of everything including number theory, game theory, geometry, etc. And most of it presented in fun contexts you wouldn't see in normal math books. I highly recommend the Martin Gardner series of books on the topic, collected from his old columns in Scientific American. You might also look for books by A. K. Dewdney who took over the column after Gardner left.

  196. Math for adults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    See http://www.seanet.com/~hgg9140/math/index.html.

  197. Barnes and Nobles or the local thriftstore by mcrbids · · Score: 1

    I've long had a simple, surprisingly effective method of evaluating whether or not a particular book is going to be easily comprehended...

    I pick up the book, open it somewheres around 1/2 way in, and start reading. If I haven't more or less figured out what's going on in 2 pages or so, I pick up another book and do the same.

    You'd think that since subjects like math are typically studied linearly, building on previous concepts, that this would certainly not work.

    But I've found this to NOT be the case at all!

    Barnes and Nobles, the local Tower bookstore, or even the local thriftstore are goldmines of incredibly valuable information, and I've had great luck with the above method.

    If the subject of study is fairly static (english, mathematics) your local thriftstore will often have used school textbooks for $0.50.

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    I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  198. Re:the bible isn't a good measuring post for books by Joey7F · · Score: 2, Funny

    It is or is not accurate.

    That's an old indian trick; a statement of totalogy ;)

    --Joey

  199. Check out Feynman's Lectures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Richard P Feynman was a wonderful man and teacher. I highly recommend his other writtings and ruminations as well. (Physics)

  200. Books I'd Recommend by jejones · · Score: 1
    I'm probably echoing what others have said already, but...
    • Isaac Asimov is your friend. Realm of {Numbers, Algebra}, the Understanding Physics series, collections of his F&SF essays sorted by subject matter.
    • Lancelot Hogben's Mathematics for the Million is a classic work of mathematics for nonspecialists; it will take you up through the calculus and into probability theory.
    • An Indian mathematician named Jagjit Singh wrote various books on aspects of math and science; I remember best one that dealt with error-correcting codes. Alas, checking the Dover Publications web site shows only Great Ideas of Modern Mathematics still in print, but evidently one can find used copies of others (e.g. Great Ideas in Information Theory, Language and Cybernetics) online.
    • Dover also prints The Strange Story of the Quantum, which does a nice job of taking you from the whole brouhaha over black body radiation and the "violet catastrophe" through Planck, Schrodinger, and Heisenberg.
    • While we're talking about quanta, check out Richard Feynmann's QED, and his other works for the general public.
    Those are getting on a bit in years; I'm not aware of a good introduction to topology or algebra (in the sense of monoids, groups, rings, etc.) or category theory for the general public, but with luck others will.
  201. Douglas R HofstaDTer. by LouisvilleDebugger · · Score: 1

    I was also bit by the GEB bug as a young'un, I went so far as to write a "critique" of his ficticious alter-ego Egbert B. Gebstadter in the form of a dialogue (in imitation of one of the many that appear in GEB.) I sent this to Hofstadter himself, and was delighted to receive a very personal response. That was in 1986, and I'm happy to report that we've actually enjoyed sporadic (including occasional f2f) contact throughout the intervening years.

    Wonderful human being, awesome writer, and absolutely and forever an idol for me. Thanks Doug.

    -- Alan Canon (Louisville KY)

    1. Re:Douglas R HofstaDTer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're so cool. I love you.

  202. Intelligent Layman's Guide to Science by Morris+Schneiderman · · Score: 1
    Issac Asimov's Intelligent Layman's Guide to Science, second edition, is what you want.

    He covers the whole range of science and technology in a clear, well-organized presentation. There's even a short appendix on math.

    It's a few years old and so it doesn't cover the most recent discoveries, but it should be perfect for your needs.

    Morris

  203. before you even learn math.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get an understanding of evolution. Read Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene.

  204. Anything by Griffiths, but particularly QM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    David J. Griffiths has written three introductory physics books and all are outstanding. Highly readable and engaging, the books are great as introductions and are very useful as references and refreshers. He leaves in the equations and tells you how to solve problems, but also adds a great detail of physical insight into any derivation. Griffiths seems to recognize that physics is (at least) two things: Knowing things, and being able to do things. (Many time people claim that these also form two categories, Theorists and Engineers, and Researchers are said to be a combination of the two, but I don't buy that.)

    But, again, what makes Griffiths great is his readability. Discussing the variance and standard deviation of a wave function--or, rather, a probablitiy distribution--at the beginning of his Intro to QM book, Griffiths write "This quantity [sigma_squared = ] is known as the variance of the distribution; sigma itself (the square root of the average of the square of the deviation from the average--gulp!) is called the standard deviation."

    The "gulp!" tells you to go back and read that again to make sure you understand it! He also adds occasional (funny) puns, and don't skip the footnotes! Definitely three highly readable and very helpful intro volumes!

    (And as a bonus, he also provides very nice math primers--in fact, I used his EM book to help me with a vector calculus math class!)

  205. The BEST book for this I have found ... by SirTreveyan · · Score: 2, Informative

    is 'Mathematics for the Millions -- How to Master the Magic of Numbers' by Lancelot Hogben. ISBN 0-393-30035-8.

    If you are looking for a book that explains why the various matematical properties and axioms are what they are, only a text for a graduate degree course would explain that stuff. However if you are looking for a "why'd they do that" then this book is for you.

    Originally written in 1937 this is an awesome book. I found this book a godsend while I was in college. It is basically a history of mathematics. By giving a historical perspective, most of those mathematical "WHY" questions get answered because you can see how the mathematics evolved step by step.

    It covers the basics: how numbers developed and why, how geometry developed and was used, how trigonmetry sprang from geometry, how spherical geometry/astronomy came from applying trig to navigation problems, how improvements in technology linked motion to geometrical figures that could be described by algebra, and how problems in describing motion lead to the developement of calculus. Throw in statistics being developed to try to predict games of chance for good measure.

    The material is layed out with quite a bit of detail and has plenty of examples and diagrams.
    With this book under your belt, much of the reading suggested by others will be far more understandable.

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  206. Get an engineering mathmatics book by Mandelbrute · · Score: 1
    At high school I was taught calculus BY ROTE by a lazy teacher (who would leave five minutes into each lesson) and bad textbooks - but I have a good memory so I easily made it into university without having a clue about calculus. Books like "Advanced Engineering Mathematics" by Kreysig, and another by Thomas & Finney taught me what calculus was from scratch (and suddenly the basic concepts seemed so incredibly simple), by giving some real world examples. There are a lot of similar books designed to teach engineers how motion is described by mathematics, so just pick a big second hand book store and grab any with lots of examples and diagrams printed within the last fifty years.

    All the texts I've seen aimed at school students have no relation to the physical world at all - mainly I suspect because many high school teachers don't know how the mathematics they teach can have any possible application. If an engineer or a mathematition chooses a text for a course they are less likely to pick something that is there just to tick a box labelled "student knows calculus", and are more likely to pick something that leads to understanding.

    Then again - I was a lazy student that never bothered to learn my times table - I couldn't see any point in learning more than the prime numbers.

  207. How math is actually done. by tal_mud · · Score: 1

    Surreal Numbers by Conway. Not exactly what the original question asked. Here is an excellent text which shows how math is actually done. I.e. how proofs come into existence. More correctly, ONE of the ways how math is done. This is a delightful short book, written in story form. Not only is the subject very interesting, the insight into how math is done is lovely. I highly recommend this. WARNING: Reading the book requires a certain level of mathematical sophistication. Definitely NOT a light read.

  208. Check This List by aSiTiC · · Score: 1

    SR Book List. Many of the books in this list are what you are looking for, and you can easily try them out before purchasing them.

  209. Calculus made easier by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1
    Check out this amazon list

    He's certainly opinionated:
    There is an bothersome and fairly intimidating phenonemon which is widespread among mathematics teaching and textbooks. For want of a better term, we might call it "Mathematical Macho". Now, when in the grip of this mysterious phenomenon, it seems that people get the idea that it is necessary that a deep subject like mathematics be really difficult to learn, and that there should be an effect of "weeding out the weaker students" alongside that of actually teaching the stuff.

    To be fair, I should mention that, over the years, I have observed an impressive number of attempts (whether or not these were made wholly in earnest will be left to the reader) by numberless (pun somewhat intended) and often quite well-esteemed authors and, even, a whole venerable organization (this called the Mathematical Association of America), to make the subject more palatable, and perhaps even interesting, to a wider audience than yet before.

    Nope, sorry, fellas. Thus far things just haven't worked out all that well.

    Yup, I've seen 'em come and go, alright. Witness the sometimes abysmally constructed explanations in "Calculus Made Simple" by Silvanius Thompson, the scarifying "rigorous" language purveyed by most MAA textbooks, the quite awful wording and quite annoying imbedding of mathematical syntax within text to be found in Boas' celebrated "A Primer of Real Functions", the spotty development in Schey's "Div, Grad, and All That", et cetera. We won't even go into that astonishing and original artfulness (arguably for the delectation of brilliant student and scholarly peer, not for the now-terrified beginning reader) made of the subject in Apostol's highly-regarded two-volume masterpiece.

    Math textbooks are, by and large, among the most ineffective and downright stupidly-done works of humankind. That said, the following should hopefully present a fairly helpful list of books on the subject which should serve as an exception to the aforementioned curses of Mathematical Macho, meaning to really teach the reader, this without intimidating, confusing, or otherwise impressing him or her.
  210. A very short introduction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Mathematics - A Very Short Introduction, by Timothy Gowers, is fantastic for this.
    It's pocket-sized, short on formulae and long on clear, elegant explanation of the concepts.
    The topics, per the table of contents, are:
    1. Models
    2. Numbers and abstraction
    3. Proofs
    4. Limits and infinity
    5. Dimension
    6. Geometry
    7. Estimations and approximations
    Gowers covers quite a range of ground within those topics, and manages to make sense of concepts like hyperbolic geometry.
    The book is not intended to replace a full-sized textbook, just a helpful explanation of the ideas behind the theorems.
    It's published by the Oxford University Press, and the ISBN is 0-19-285361-9.
  211. Calculus, by Michael Spivak - Best Math Book Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It teaches the theory behind the mathematics - it actually starts you out on the "why" of more basic mathematics (algebra, trig., etc.) and moves on from there, building theorem upon theorem until you get to calculus and beyond.

  212. ISAAC ASIMOV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    !!go to the library!!
    1-Read anything about science and math by Isaac Asimov.
    2-Read anything about biology (I'm Joe's Liver) in past issues of Reader's Digest.
    3-Forget calculus. Master algebra forward and backward.
    4-The history of science , math and human endevor is what makes it all make sense so try to learn it in historical contexts. This also human-izes the whole thing and makes it easier to remember cause its not just facts and figures but STORIES.

  213. Need a good teacher by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 2, Informative

    The key to really mastering these subjects is to have a good teacher.

    By all means, get some of the books recommended by fellow Slashdot readers. I'm familiar with many of them and a lot of them are great.

    But at some point, no matter how good the books are, you'll get stuck on some point - and that's where you need to find a good teacher you can turn to. It doesn't have to be someone you see in person - someone you correspond with via email or over the phone would be fine.

    It doesn't have to be someone with any sort of credential - but ideally it should be someone who is either currently a student (studying math/science at a much higher level than you) or someone who uses these subjects in their work. The main key, though, is to find someone who really loves math/science, and someone who's really patient.

    I love helping people who really want to understand math or science. It gets old fast if the person just wants to know how to get the right answer and doesn't care why. If they really care, and they're really patient enough to take the time to learn it really well, then I'm always more than happy to take the time to help. It's fun! I really love it when the light bulb comes on in somebody's head! (Feel free to email me - I'm great with Trig, Calc, & Discrete Math.)

    How to tell a good student: The bad student asks, "how do you solve this problem?", but the good student asks, "I tried to solve it this way, but it didn't work...why?"

    How to tell a good teacher: The bad teacher, in response to the good student's question above, responds, "that's the wrong way to solve it; here's the right way". The good teacher responds, "interesting approach - let's figure out why it didn't work".

  214. Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mathematics is not a science. It's not a set of facts.
    Rather, it's an artificial construction which was build
    from some axiomatic bases by logical means.
    School math is a super-lite version of what math really is.
    Real math is "source", while many non-math
    (non-physics) students
    usually study "binaries" - compilations of popular facts.

    So, if you want to study mathematics, look into the sources.

    I've found that usual western math books are not
    aimed to give understanding: just like binary programs,
    they are for "users", not "hackers".

  215. Re:Dawkins and Berlinski by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes! I highly recommend Dawkins, especially The Blind Watchmaker and Climbing Mount Improbable.

    It's interesting that one of the authors recommended by so many on this thread, David Berlinski, is as famous for writing The Deniable Darwin as he is for A Tour of the Calculus.

    You can also read replies to his article in Commentary (including one from Dawkins).

  216. college as a profit not learning center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would have been mad about all the bullshit in college like what you bring up, but the biggest bullshit is teaching science majors crap that is useless for getting a job, useless on a job other than re-teaching this useless crap, and sheds no insight into reality. E.G. Calculus tricks belong in computer programs not the heads of 20 year olds - they serve no good purpose. EVERY physics major I graduated with and kept in touch with wound up writing computer programs for a living. A little reality heads up would have been nice; but then fewer physics majors means fewer instructors in physics are needed; so career couseling BY the department I was majoring was filled with LIES.

  217. Fermat's Enigma by JDCode_Monkey · · Score: 1

    I didn't see this posted, but if you want a wonderful little book that'll really open up the world of math (without you having to understand a lot of math in the process) I highly recommend the book "Fermat's Enigma" It's a nice, light read, and will take you through the history of math from the Pythagorean Brotherhood, to the solving of the world's greatest math problem.
    I concur with others above, books are no substitute for teachers.

  218. vector calculus by nsuttitinagul · · Score: 1

    Once you get past single-variable calculus, particularly a firm grip on integration, I highly recommend H.M. Schey's book, "div, grad, curl, and all that" which clearly explains multivariable vector calculus, along with some physics for concreteness and good measure.

  219. A few good books by kliment · · Score: 1
    Several good books that we use at school (a high school following the IB syllabus) are:

    Physics by Giancoli

    Introducing Pure Mathematics by Robert Smedley and Garry Wiseman

    Further Pure Mathematics by Brian Gaulter and Mark Gaulter

    In addition, I would recommend several maths books:

    Discrete Mathemathics for New Technology by R.Garnier and J. Taylor

    A First Course in Abstract Algebra by John B. Fraleigh

    Of course also the asimov books others have mentioned. The Introducing and Further books are very interesting since they start from zero and go to quite advanced calculus concepts, yet attemp to cover all important mathematical concepts in existence. They take a while to read, but it's worth it.

  220. My List by CGP314 · · Score: 1

    Instant Physics - Rothman
    This is exactly what you ask for. It covers basics mechanics and electrodynamics, but does it so you understand why things work.

    The Illustrated History of Time - Hawking
    This book is the reason I became a physics major. But do yourself a favor and make sure you pick up the illustrated version.

    Calculus Made Easy - Thompson
    I hated calc until I read this. Within the first two chapters it all made sense, and I understood the amazing utility of the method.

    Fermat's Last Theorem - Singh
    This book covers a whole lot of the 'why' of math. I highly recommend anything by Singh; he is a great science writer. The Man Who Loved Only Numbers: The Story of Paul Erdos and the Search for Mathematical Truth - Hoffman. It's the biography of Erdos, but it goes over a lot advanced math concepts in an easy to understand manner. Erdos's life is also fascinating. He was a bit of a math gypsy.

  221. Penguin Classics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting here because I can't find an appropriate thread and I want to be near the top.

    Look at any of the penguin classics. They are very cheap, and many of them are quite good. I have physics, math, and computer science texts that cost around 10 bucks each that are worth their weight in gold. They generally aren't state of the art (hence "classics"), but many provide both an introduction to the material and enough depth to be worthy of an upper division class on the subject.

    The best piece of advice I can give anyone trying to learn from a textbook is to tell them to work through the problems. Anyone should be able to pick up many of the textbooks listed below and work though as many of the problems as time allows (limited either by patience or by real life events). Most textbooks provide answers to selected problems, so you can check your progress.

    I should also probably qualify the above by saying that I have both been a professional scientist and a lecturer at a university in the past (Ok, so I am still a scientist).

  222. Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The man's subject was "math books" and so on, and most of you weirdos can't read very well, immediately launching into a lot of useless books and off topic. Go back to school to learn English composition and how to think clearly despite having a high I.Q. So, I immediately am off topic, myself....
    I would recommend going to "The Learning Company" and purchasing their various recorded programs to view at your leisure. Also, check out the listings for your local community college for video, or telecourses, on math and science. You will find them quite useful, videotape them in a series yourself, use TiVo, and so on, to collect them. I did it this way, needing a few math courses for another degree in a different state, which required Algebra, and was able to CLEP test out of the math after a refresher course or two for free. Also, go to Amazon and simply do a search on Math books and you will books on what you are looking for, with better advice than you are getting here in the reviews....

  223. Thinking Physics by DrJohno · · Score: 1

    Lewis Epstein wrote two very good physics books that are enjoyable and easy to read while remaining scientifically sound. One is "Thinking Physics", and the other is "Relativity Visualized". I used examples from Thinking Physics in a college physics lab I taught, and the students responded well.

  224. Frank Shu's The Physical Universe by munpfazy · · Score: 1
    The Physical Universe by Frank Shu is a great intro to astro in particular and to the physical sciences in general. It's often used as an introductory text for majors classes in undergraduate astro, but it's designed to accomodate anyone with virtually any physics/math background. It makes for a well written descriptive astronomy book if you skip the problems and examples. For the more ambitious, some of the problems are comparable to graduate candidacy questions.

    It's priced as a textbook, and isn't as sexy as some of the popular science books, but if you want a taste of how physics is done (rather than a list of what physics has done), it's hard to beat. The basic physics chapters rival any intro physics text I've seen.

    Also, I note that many people have recommended th Feynman Lectures. While I have a great fondness for them, they may be something of a shock to anyone new to the field. By all means, take a look, but don't despair if you find them hard to follow. (Most people don't really fall in love with them until after they've spent several years learning the material from more traditional textbooks.)

  225. what does "why something works" mean? by AYEq · · Score: 1

    I can only speak about mathematics but I have always hated the complaint that mathematics never teaches "why things work". First many do not realize that many of the true ideas behind school mathematics are very profound and need quite a lot of work to even approach a "proof" that demonstrates a true meaning of the subject.(also some proofs obscure the true meaning) For many this would not explain "why" and was largely the complaint against the "old school" system of mathematics instruction.

    Accepting that many ideas cannot be proved in the limited time that a teacher has with a student; then what would be an acceptable explanantion of "why" something works? (for some people basic physics is enough, for some it is pretty pictures, etc...)

  226. Just started doing this... by spinkham · · Score: 1

    For math anyway...
    Here's some books I found to be very good..
    Practical Algebra: A self teaching guide, by Peter Selby and Steve Slavin(second edition). One of the best math books I've found. Covers both concepts and details, has good excercises to do..
    How to ace Calculus, The streetwise guide, by Colin Adams, Abigail Thompson, and Joel Hass. Not hugely detailed, mostly conceptual, but good. No excercises, made to be used in conjunction with a real text book.

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  227. Re:Math texts [classes designed to flunk you out] by smoon · · Score: 1

    When I attended BYU for a while it was the same sort of thing.

    Physics tests were 'multiple choice' -- 0-9, fill in the dot. Do a normal 'word problem', figure out all of the math, get your answer -- say 1.0992, then fill in the least significant digit on the test form.

    Did you keep your significant values straight? Did you round correctly? If it should have been 1.099 or 1.09921 you're wrong, even if you did 90%+ of the problem correctly.

    Curve was typically 29+ A, 28 B, 27 C, 25-26, D, 24 and under an F.

    I'm still very bitter about this. Glad I got to pay a lot of money to get screwed over by a broken system. I ended up going to an other school which worked out a lot better. Smaller classes with teachers interested in teaching.

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  228. go to howstuffwork.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I highly recommend it, you my also be intrested
    in QED an excellent book on
    Quantom Electro Dynamics designed for the masses
    and is a non technicall aproach to technical
    material.

    DRYICE

  229. Calculus Made Easy by Sylvanus Thompson by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The best piece of advice I can give anyone trying to learn from a textbook is to tell them to work through the problems. Anyone should be able to pick up many of the textbooks listed below and work though as many of the problems as time allows (limited either by patience or by real life events). Most textbooks provide answers to selected problems, so you can check your progress.

    Absolutely, 100%. Nobody is born with the ability to take a triple scalar product or multiply two matrices (both happening in your video card when you're playing Doom!). As a great Calculus teacher once announced to his class through a thick French Canadian accent, "Math is not a spectator sport." (Actually, it came out as "Matt ees not a spectator sport.")

    Having said that, Calculus is my favorite kind of math. It's incredibly elegant and probably the most useful advanced math, as it touches everything you do. Consider your car. If you calculate your speed using a watch and the odometer, you have an idea how fast you were going, but your speedometer is actually showing you the value of the derivative at any instantaneous time. Your speedometer shows the rate of change of position (distance travelled) at any instantaneous time. That's calculus.

    Don't be afraid. "Calculus" (besides being a formal term for tartar the dentist scrapes off your teeth) means small stones in Latin... small stones as used for counting.

    Two *great* books on the subject:

    • Sylvanus P. Thompson's 1910 classic Calculus Made Easy is still in print and remains as relevent as ever. It's funny ("To Deliver you from the Preliminary Terrors" is the title of the first chapter) and it's full of interesting tidbits. (Do you know where the time units of minutes and seconds got their names?) Hit Amazon.com or Bibliofind to get a copy.
    • Applied Calculus - an Intuitive Approach is great, too. Faber, Freedman and Kaplan. Starts with First Principles and takes you to fairly advanced integration in an easy-to-read format.

    Remember: Do the problems, succeed. Don't do the problems, fail. It's that simple.

    --
    Fire and Meat. Yummy.
    1. Re:Calculus Made Easy by Sylvanus Thompson by turgid · · Score: 1
      Remember: Do the problems, succeed. Don't do the problems, fail. It's that simple.

      That's why you need Stroud's Engineering Mathematics and Further Engineering Mathematics.

      I found them completely invaluable in my final year of high-school and throughout university. You can almost do without a teacher with these books. They lead you carefully through every step of every subject. These books are worth their weight in gold.

  230. teaching company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try www.teach12.com. they have a bunch of courses taught by well respected professors. i've only bought the humanites stuff but a friend has some of the sciences courses and says they're great too. also make sure you ask them if there's a sale on the phone. usually the web rates are the lowest, but occasionally there's an partially advertised sale they'll let you in on.

  231. Physics Books by thelitvak · · Score: 1

    Feynman Lectures (again)- no competition if you are looking for that much depth. Physics for the Inquiring Mind - as good as Feynman but MUCH simpler- written for Liberal Arts students at Princeton many moons ago. Out of print but worth the hunt. I teach physics at a state university...all textbooks I have seen written in the last 15 years are SHIT. No editorial control, lots of pretty pictures and not much else. I have made thousands of dollars from publishers correcting these books for errors after calling them up and berating them for low quality. Halliday and Resnick (old editions, like 1970's) is widely available in used bookstores and is very good, if very dry. Compared to today's texts one of its most notable features is that it contains NO errors.

  232. Math in schools have 2 purposes by Lokist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Math is a very important thing in High School... But not in the way that a lot of you think... There are two uses for math in High School...

    1) To teach the concepts of basic math and calculus.
    2) *The most important* To exercise the students
    brain and to keep them mentally alert.

    When a student graduates from school it is a huge shock to them because the world is a lot slower then it is in school (at least it should be if they were working hard). Suddenly you don't have home work every day... You don't have tests every week and there are no such things as exams... Work is very much different. Now some businesses do testing on there employees... but it's not as bad as school...

    When you drop math... you drop creativity, the ability to learn other subjects, to stay focused, and most importantly... to stay curious...

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  233. Go to a local Junior College by leebrownusa · · Score: 1

    Dude, just enroll at the beginning level(for you) at a local Junior College. While the books are fine you'll get to ask questions and iteract with others more and less knowledgeable than you. That is more valuable than sitting in your room studying concepts with no one to bounce ideas to. Never too late for you!! Good Luck

  234. Time-Life Science Library by Brown+Line · · Score: 1
    If you're looking for a general introduction to a scientific subject, you might want to look up the old Time-Life "Science Library" volumes that were published in the 1960s. They're long out of print, but it's possible to find them in used-book stores or on web sites like alibris.com. I found that they present general concepts well, both through a clearly written text and through picturial essays at the end of each chapter.

    I especially recommend the volume entitled Mathematics as a general introduction to that topic.

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  235. Areas of Odd Shapes by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 4, Informative

    How. I understand the area under a graph is the intergral of the formula of the graph, but if you have an everyday shape, chances are its not created by a known mathematical formula. how do you work out the area using calculus?

    Ahh... Now we discover the joy of Infinite Series. Infinite series allows you to do all sorts of things to (arbitrary) precision. (Arbitrary in that it won't spit back an answer to 300 decimal places unless you make the program you write run through the loop 300 times...)

    Basically, here's the idea. You can do a regression of the known points on the graph to come up with a function (formula) to describe the relationship. Regressions come from infinite series, but are used in a plug-and-play format in statistics courses. Also annoyingly, Excel 95 and up includes the capability to do them in the Data Analysis tools, OpenOffice does not yet [grumble grumble]. Anyway, once you have a function, you simply integrate it to find the area.

    My favorite part of all this is that the series usually gives you a nice long sum of little polynomial expressions, which are individually and collectively easy to integrate.

    Practical applications? Fourier Transforms and Fast Fourier Transforms. They allow you to express any function (audio waveform?) as a sum of different overlapping sinewaves. From there, you can do all the math you want on them. MP3 and Ogg codecs do this.

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  236. The Cosmic Code by mobilemonkey · · Score: 1

    For physics, try reading The Cosmic Code by Heinz Pagels. I knew nothing about physics before reading, yet I found the concepts easy to understand.

  237. Calculus and Analytic Geometry by Thomas (CnAC) by WeBMartians · · Score: 1

    Thomas! Calculus and Analytic Geometry Look in used book stores. If you find an original edition (two volumes) look for the infamous problem whose "solution is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer" (the problem is worth of a PhD's thesis). I love Thomas CnAC. It is one of the few books that is complete, rigorous and yet still accessible.

  238. Re:books...(maths) by carolinef · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For maths you might want to try the books of Ian Stewart.

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  239. "Instant Physics" and "There are no Electrons" by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    It is rare that somebody can write science book that are actually enjoyable to read. I found these two books excellent.

  240. Asimov... by mengel · · Score: 1

    Besides science fiction, Asimov wrote quite a few good non-fiction books on the sciences, etc.

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  241. Math books for real people by Sparakkis · · Score: 1

    For Fourier Analysis, _Who is Fourier_ by the Transnational College of LeX. For QM, their book on QM. For math, science and education in general, ask Alan Kay's people at Squeakland, http://www.squeakland.org. Math books don't have to be paper, you know.

  242. Helped me in calculus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a website TDLC.COM that helped me a lot with caluclus. It doesn't always explain the "mechanics", but, there are links to background information and articles to help understand. There are also "getting at the concept" sections at the beginning of each chanpter. The available range on books on line is pretty good as well. I have been out of calculus for a while now, but still maintain my subscription...

  243. College Textbooks by iansteksupport · · Score: 1

    College textbooks (the ones for freshman/intro courses) might be a good place to look. They don't "squeeze in all the facts required by state law" like high school textbooks do, and they usually provide a more scientifically and mathematically valid description of a subject than books written for the general public. Books written for the general public sometimes dumb things down.

  244. More useful than statistics by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

    I was taking a stats class when a coworker (bluecollar) implied that it would be a useful class. Most of what I learned in that class was useful only in abstract where I could think of applicable uses for calculus while I was sitting in class. Stats I was trying to stay awake thinking I'll never use 90% of this; calculus I'm going on tangents in my notes with how I can use this stuff.

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  245. Try Wikipedia by LittleDan · · Score: 1

    I learn tons of stuff from just browsing around wikipedia.org. They're a good site, just check the facts if they seem dubious. If it's wrong, change it! It's a wiki. Maybe it's not the *best* educational resource, but I think it's good enough! It has excelent math/science articles in particular, as well as the best today-in-history articles I've found on or off the web.

  246. Question on Thompson - Calculus made Easy by Protocron · · Score: 1

    Is that book in the public domain?

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  247. Math For Adults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Math For Adults" probably is the art of encoding pr0n in an efficient
    way. JPEG and MPEG come to mind....

  248. Re:books...Fot Chemistry by Chemicalscum · · Score: 1
    I would recommend Linus Pauling's General Chemistry.

    It is a textbook that deals with concepts not just dry facts and it is written by the other genius named Linus that the 20th century produced.

  249. Try UK 'A-Level' books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are aimed at 17-18 year olds taking 'A-Levels' which are generally accepted to be about as academically challenging as the average US college education (e.g. resolution refutation and skolem's in a math book for 17 year olds in the UK!). I found they not only go into depth about the concepts and ideas, but they are often backed up with online sections and countless exercises and examples. There are 'A-Levels' for just about every classical subject under the sun so plenty of books around.

    You can problably get a load of them from Amazon or something.

    1. Re:Try UK 'A-Level' books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who had told you that the A-Levels tested at the level of a US undergraduate education ? This is conspicuously untrue - it would mean that passing the A-Level enabled direct entry to US graduate programs , or at least advanced undergrad entry , - they do not. The A's are challenging , but so are the better half of US undergrad programs.

  250. How about computer related math books? by borg389 · · Score: 1

    I saw a cheap trig book at B&N last week. I almost bought it, but I really want a book that teaches math as it applies to computer related subjects such as graphics. I couldn't find anything specific to it, but of course it was only B&N (not online). They tend to not carry many tech titles.

  251. Conceptual Mathematics: Category Theory by Jagasian · · Score: 1

    Category Theory can be used as an intuitive branch of mathematics, and a great book for math newbies is available. Check it out.

  252. The Ascent of Science by Brian L. Silver by rdemers · · Score: 2, Informative

    ISBN: 0-19-513427-3, 1998, Oxford University Press. This is a concise and readable summary of the history, philosophy and theories of science. I had a bit more science and math education than you claim, but it was a long time ago. This book really helped me to appreciate the accomplishments of those who contributed to the scientific endeavor. It won't teach you the particulars of any one of the sciences, but it will help you to put them all into a context for further study.

  253. math and physics for game developers? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Standard college course work is pretty much learning formulas. Until I had to implement math/physics in grad school research, I didnt deeply understand them. I wonder if there are good books on math and physics for game developers? I saw some good books at SIGGRAPH last week on computer algorithms for game developers covering some of math and physics. When you actually *do* some of this stuff, then you learn it better.

    1. Re:math and physics for game developers? by Dr.+Sp0ng · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wonder if there are good books on math and physics for game developers?

      O'Reilly publishes a book called "Physics for Game Developers" and Charles River Media publishes a book called "Mathematics for 3D Game Programming and Computer Graphics." Both are quite good.

  254. Spivak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Michael Spivak has a couple of books on calculus that are very comprehensive. His "Calculus" proves everything from first priciples so to speak. If you really want a full understanding of calculus and analysis then I suggest Calculus by Spivak

  255. Some suggestions by dlakelan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hopefully someone will find these interesting:

    CALCULUS

    Quick Calculus by Kleppner and Ramsey.

    This book is designed to teach you step by step all the calculus you would learn in 2+ semesters of college calculus classes. It is workbook style. That is they teach you something and then have you work individual problems. I tought myself calculus in 10th grade by using this book.

    PHYSICS:

    The Feynman Lectures on Physics:

    I've only read volume 1 but I have 2 and 3 queued up. These are good for getting an understanding of how and why physics works if you know a fair amount about calculus and you've taken some physics (high school at least). THESE WILL NOT teach you how to solve physics problems (as far as I can tell they don't publish the problem set anymore).

    Schaum's Outlines: Physics for Scientists and Engineers by Michael E Browne

    This one will give you practical problems to solve and practice with, plus a concise explanation of topics that Feynman blew past you too quickly.

    STATISTICS and DATA ANALYSIS:

    It's hard to recommend anything specifically here because it's a hard subject to teach and I've never found a great book.

    Principles of Statistics by M.G. Bulmer (dover)

    It's an inexpensive paperback and it gives a very good overview of the basic concepts of statistics.

    An introduction to error analysis by John R Taylor

    I haven't read this book but I've had it recommended. If you want to understand why you need to be skeptical of numerical data, you at least need to know something about this subject.

    Statistics for Experimenters by Box Hunter and Hunter

    This is another one that's supposed to be a great book. If you want to do experiments and analyze the results you need to study this subject.

    MATHEMATICS:

    Mathematics books are often aweful, and what makes a good mathematics book is very personal (ie. your learning style), so here's a general list of subjects and why you should study them.

    Calculus and differential equations Without calculus you can't do physics effectively. see my recommendation for Quick Calculus above. Differential equations are effective for modelling the behavior of physical systems.

    Linear Algebra This topic forms the basis of several important fields, such as signal processing, statistics, differential equations, and much of numerical analysis.

    Topology This is a field that will teach you more about important properties of functions, and of sets. It's basically about invariance: properties that do not change when you transform something (continuously)

    Combinatorics or discrete math This is about counting, probability, and sequences of numbers. It's entertaining and important for computer science.

    AS FOR MATH BOOKS:

    The thing to know is that there is a huge variability in math books. I'd recommend starting with cheap Dover paperbacks and trying several in a particular field. Once you've exhausted those (either too poorly written or too complicated for you) at least you haven't spent a lot of money.

    If you need more after the Dover paperbacks, move on to something hardback and expensive but sit down in the book store and read through it first. Does the author take pains to explain things, or just use a flurry of symbols?

    Remember you can't start at the top. Work your way up a mathematical subject, preferrably with some application or core reason that drives you.

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  256. Are there any good online sites ? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just wonder if there are any good online sites that can help adults who aren't fortunate enough to have the opportunity to properly learn math, science, or whatnots that most think are _basic_skills_ ?

    Thank you !

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  257. Re: Turing's "On Computable Numbers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, it's still under copyright-- but it is already on the Web with permission of the London Mathematical Society!

    On Computable Numbers, with an Application to the Entscheidungsproblem

  258. Re: Turing's "On Computable Numbers" by gunix · · Score: 1

    I can understand why they allow publishing on the web, with those ugly colours, no one will ever read it...

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  259. Linear Algebra by rrhal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the subjects that really put it all together for me was Linear Algebra. It doesn't require calculus so much as a certain mathematical sophistication. The book that made it interesting for me was "linear algebra and its applications" by Gilbert Strang

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  260. Thats where you are wrong by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    The correct path, is to go to a highly regarded 4 year school, and then transfer into the private university from there.

    Heck, you could get a 4.0 GPA and not transfer into any of those schools from a community college. Elite private universities take fewer than a hundred transfer students a year, and they usually get many thousands of qualified applicants - many of those from highly regarded 4-year schools. If your goal is to go to an Ivy League school, go right after high school or not at all. It's still hard, but you're probably 10x more likely to get in.

    You dont go from community college straight to Harvard, you go from community college, to a state school, to an elite private school and then you go to Harvard on the graduate level.

    Not trying to discourage you, just being realistic. If you don't believe me, look up the statistics for transfer students at one of those schools and see how different they are from first-year acceptance rates.

    I know people who have gone to Harvard on the graduate level. You dont need to go as an undergrad, sure going as an undergrad makes it easier but on the graduate level you can transfer into most of these schools easily because not alot of people actually go to graduate school.

    You can transfer into an elite private school from a state school, that stuff happens all the time, yes you need very good grades, but its a step by step process, you move up the ladder piece by piece and step by step.

    You start in a community college, you do well and you transfer into a state school, you do well there and then you transfer into a private school, you do well in the private school and then you can transfer into an elite private school.

    My sister has done this, so it does happen and its fairly common, its not common however to be accepted into Harvard on the undergraduate level and most people who get degrees from Harvard or any of these ivy league schools are graduate students.

    The average undergrade GPA in Harvard Business School is 3.5, this is Harvards most elite school next to their law school. There around 2000 enrolled.

    The Law school is extremely difficult to get in, the average GPA is 3.7 or 3.9. 13% of those who apply are accepted.

    This means I have a 13% chance of getting in, if my GPA is above 3.7.

    Harvard Medical school, under 1000 enrolled, EXTREMELY difficult to get into, with only 5% being accepted. Average GPA of 3.8.

    So its not impossible to get into Harvard, if you have a GPA of over 3.5, like I said over and over in many of my posts. You have about a 13% chance of getting in, I think I'm one of that 13%, it may sound unrealistic, but self esteem is not one of my flaws.

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  261. Why the hell do they do this? by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    Ok, Mechanics, but theres a limited number of mechamics in this country, the number grows smaller every year, and eventually only mexicans and people from other countries will be doing these kinds of jobs.

    Truckers? Nurses? Ok I admit those jobs will be needed, but like I said before eventually there wont be a shortage or nurses or truckers as we lose more jobs, more people with degrees will become nurses and truckers.

    Like I said, yes you can get a degree from a community college, you can get certified, but when it comes to actually having job security, this is where your professional degree beats out the cerfication from the community college.

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  262. in the days before digital integrators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's how we used to measure areas under curves in gas chromatography before there were such things as digital integrators (early 1970s)... have the output of the GC go to a chart recorder, then cut all the different curves out, weigh them all then weigh them individually. It wasn't perfect, but it worked well enough to get me a degree in chemistry!

  263. Do the Math: audit the course by MadCow-ard · · Score: 1

    Sorry to sound contrarian, but PLEASE! You, or your sorry companions failed the course because you didn't see the obvious answer. And before you run off on "why should I have to do that, they should teach it right the first time!" consider that its simply a game. How much of anything you learn in any school, at any level, is actually used in real life? 30%? Maybe!

    1. AUDIT THE TOUGH COURSES BEFORE TAKING THEM FOR CREDIT. and/or...
    2. Be a Gym major, get a 4.0 and go to Georgetown, MIT or Stanford for grad school. Audit the courses and sail into grad school instead of the slobs who ACTUALLY struggled through the tough ones and can't get in because of their 2.9 GPA.

    That's what I learned in my math courses: How to play the game.

  264. calculus by aggieben · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I happen to like Stewart's Calculus with Vectors book. Covers from precalc (quick review) all the way through 3-d vector calculus. Lots of problems and decent examples. I used this book as an undergrad to learn calc, but even as a grad student I often find it invaluable as a reference.

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  265. you say math, I say MATHS by verayh · · Score: 1

    Why is it Americans insist on shortening mathematics to math?

    1. Re:you say math, I say MATHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Why is it Americans insist on shortening mathematics to math?

      We Americans like short words!

      This is nothing unusual, anyway-- in college, we did this with the names of pretty much all our subjects:

      "Did you study for your chem, bio, and psych mid-terms?"

      "Nah, I was too busy with my trig, calc, and
      English lit."

  266. Physics - The Fabric Of Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a note to highly recommend this book, by David Deutsch, Professor of Physics at Oxford University and world leader in the field of Quantum Computing. Dr Deutsch provides a first rate discussion of the weirdnesses of Quantum Mechanics, and uses the Many Worlds interpretation of QM to resolve them. Along the way he writes intelligently about topics as diverse as evolution and the theory of computing. Aimed at the layman, this is an excellent introduction to the field, tying in elements from many different disciplines with an ease not seen since (the also excellent) Godel, Escher, Bach by Douglas Hofstadter.

  267. Like most Americans... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
    ... I made it through high-school and college without a thorough understanding of major scientific and mathematical concepts.
    Yeah, you all spend too much time studying Geography.
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  268. What is your local Community College for? by MyRuger · · Score: 1

    Reading your post- I couldn't help but plug your local community college. As a community college graduate who went on to get a B.S. in
    Math from a top 50 ranked school, I highly recommend this route.

    In my experience, a CC faculty may not be the best overall, but each department nearly always has at least one great instructor. If you go to your local CC and talk to members of the math department, explaining your situation, you will get hooked up with the right people and classes.

    The main downside of this option is the fixed schedule, but that can also be an advantage if you think that you may lose intrest with the self-study option. It is at least worth looking into.

  269. William Dunham's "Journey Through Genius" by broohaha · · Score: 1

    Check out Journey through Genius: The Great Theorems of Mathematics. It's a good read. Not mathematically rigorous, it covers important theorems in mathematics with a nice balance of math and historical context.

    It covers topics such as Euclid and the Infinitude of Primes, Archimedes' Determination of Circular Area, the Bernoulli brothersand Harmonic Series, and Fermat's Theorem.

  270. go to community college. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, if you didn't learn this stuff the first time around, you probably don't have it in you to learn it on your own. Go take a few courses at a community college if you really want the skills. If you just to think about 'cool stuff,' read some general interest books like A Brief History of Time or even The Physics of Star Trek. It'll make you more interesting at summer block-parties, but not much else.

  271. free books by bcrowell · · Score: 1

    Here is a listing of free books that might be relevant.

  272. Re:Math texts [classes designed to flunk you out] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bitter about BYU here too. A few gripes:

    Professors who came to class totally unprepared (they hadn't looked at their lecture notes since teaching the material the previous semester).

    Class sizes that were totally ridiculus (Most classes were 300 students - even my senior year - I got a bs in zoology - the department got reorganized after I left) I was in a class with 900 students once.

    TA's do all the teaching - I wasn't aware that I'd be paying other students to teach me - I mistakenly thought I was going to be taught by professors.

    Religion Professors that didn't know anything about religion. I didn't research professors very well and just took who ever was available that fit my schedule. Big Mistake! (For those who don't know: Religion is required at BYU - it's a religious school)

    There are at least another half dozen complaints I have about BYU. And yes, I realize that mostly it's my problem if I had a poor educational experience at BYU, but I wouldn't recommend that school to anyone, ever.

  273. Re:books... (Turing paper here) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody found this yet? Google served up this link to the paper:
    http://www.abelard.org/turpap2/tp2-ie.asp

  274. No Silver Bullets by dutky · · Score: 1
    First, learning this stuff is going to be hard, because the subject matter is hard. Don't let this disuade you, however, from the task: it is worth every bit of effort you put into it.

    Second, some books:

    • go to the local community college or state university and invest in some college level text books. These books will be better written than highschool texts and will be more concerned with teaching than with covering some sanctioned set of facts and figures. Whatever you local college/university has is probably fine. Always buy used textbooks: they're cheaper.
    • pick up a few good popularizations:
    • consider getting an encyclopaedia: anything that isn't covered by one of your textbooks will be covered adequately, by the encyclopaedia, to answer your or your children's immediate questions.
    • If all this is a bit too pricey, you can substitute the local public library for almost all of this (I've never looked in the public library for college textbooks, but everything else should be there)

    Third, don't skimp on the methematics! Mathematics, especially calculus, underlies all of modern science. You can't really understand most of the science without understanding calculus, and if you understand calculus, much of the science will simply fall into place.

    Finally, don't be too proud or stubborn to actually go back to school. You can enroll in a night course at the local community college for less than the cost of a bare-bones PC-clone. A little actual instruction goes a lot farther than a whole lot of unaided reading. You might also have some fun. (it's amazing how much fun learning is when you're not worried about getting the piece-of-paper)

    If you can learn the basics of physics and math, you will be able to cope with (if not master) just about anything. Anything you weren't actually taught, you will be able to get a reasonable grasp of after a few days (sometimes only a few hours) of reading and thinking. If something takes longer than that, you have hit upon a trully difficult subject and may need to look for a course to take.

  275. Re:Erwin Kreyszig "Advanced Engineering Mathematic by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    When I was a BSEE undergraduate, I had to endure Kreyszig's "Advanced Engineering Mathematics". It is a horrible book if you're trying to learn differential equations. A much, much better book is "Applied Differential Equations" by Murray R. Spiegel.

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  276. Re:books...(maths) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone mentioned Prime Obsession by John Derbyshire? Like Kanigel's book, it only deals with a subset of math (in this case the Riemann hypothesis), but it's brilliantly lucid, and well-explained enough to both make you feel quite smart and actually teach you something.

  277. Great topic by blah1019 · · Score: 0

    My kid is a little young for this stuff but I was worried that I was gonna be left in the dust as well when the time came. I wasn't anything close to a math major in HS so these references are a big help. Thanks guys/girls!

  278. Computer Science by ed1park · · Score: 1

    I love this book. Exactly what you are looking for.

    Computer Science: An Overview by Glenn Brookshear

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/02 01 781301/qid=1060262440/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-186100 6-1032911?v=glance&s=books&n=507846