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Not a record; not even close.
http://www.superconductors.org/216C209C.htm. This stuff doesn't even have to be under pressure. Alas, it's neither stable nor macroscopic.
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Re:That's not even the only problem
There's an alloy known as "Electrum". It's been around since the time of the Pharaohs and was used to decorate the capstones of pyramids as well as to make coins. It's a mix of gold, silver and copper.
But on the periodic table, none of those elements are superconducting. That's due to those elements only have one free electron in the outer shell and two electrons are required to form a Cooper pair.
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Re:"Boost the superconducting materials"
Jeebus this was covered in Popular Science in the late 80s. The F?
http://www.superconductors.org...
Best reference I could find. I recall the article even covered people playing with styro-foam as a super-conductor.
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Here is a link for 110C superconductivity
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Re:the question is
Up to 53c last report here: http://www.superconductors.org/News.htm
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Well, to begin with...
Most people think of superconductors as merely a "perfectly efficient" conductor. While this is true, it just scratches the surface of what's possible with superconductors. Using superconductors just to improve efficiency wouldn't be that big a deal by itself. It would improve battery life a little bit, and maybe drop bulk electricity transmission overheads, but not by much, and certainly not immediately. Making most superconductors into high-tensile wire is a non-trivial exercise, even if cooling isn't a problem -- and it will be! Just because a material is discovered that can conduct at "room" temperature isn't helpful for wire outdoors in direct sunlight, or in a hot environment inside high-temperature machinery. Last but not least, superconductors have current and magnetic field limits that increase as they are cooled past the transition temperature. A superconductor with a transition temperature of 26C would probably have only a few limited applications above 20C.
The other uses are more interesting, and often more amenable to thermal control:
The Meissner_effect provides magnetic shielding, which is useful for all sorts of things, like amplifiers, or for protecting sensitive electronics. This is also what causes magnets to levitate above Type 2 superconductors. I assume that a room-temperature superconductor would be Type 2, so levitation would likely be possible.
The London moment could be used in gyroscopes and the like.
Josephson junctions provide all sorts of functions, like ultra-sensitive magnetic field sensors (think hard-drives and MRIs).
Still, all of that is a bit... meh. I mean sure, you get less noise in your now ultra-sensitive amplifier, and electricity will cost 10% less than it would have otherwise in 30 years. Is this life changing? Probably not really.
A much more interesting potential application than all of those combined is Rapid Single Flux Quantum digital circuitry. That stuff makes silicon look like vacuum tubes. Think 100GHz+, self-clocking, 1000x as efficient as CMOS, and manufacturable now, with only the cooling requirement the big down-side. If RSFQ could be made to work at room-temperature (or even near it), you could be looking at a sudden massive leap forward in computer power like never before. For example, with a power draw 1000x lower, it would be possible to stack every chip in a typical computer into a little "cube", with much shorter wire lengths, and hence, latencies. We can't do this now, because that cube would literally melt in seconds form the heat.
The reality-check of all this is that many MRI machines are still cooled by liquid helium, even though superconductors that work at liquid nitrogen temperatures have been available for a while. This tells you a lot about the limitations that might restrict the application of even a hypothetical room-temperature superconductor. For example, ultra-sensitive sensors and RSFQ may not work at all, because the tiny signal quanta may be swamped by the background thermal noise. Similarly, manufacturability of wire and maximum magnetic field strength is a key requirement for a lot of applications, like MRIs and electric motors.
Personally, I suspect that the first room-temperature superconductor will be initially manufacturable in bulk only as a thin-film, so expect the first decade or two to be mostly about improved circuitry and sensors more than anything else. This might be closer than people think. For example, there's a harmless quack who claims to have achieved superconductivity at 28C by manufacturing extremely complex copper-based crystals as a thin layer between two different traditional copper-based superconductors. Assuming for a second that he's onto something, it gives you an idea
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Re:You're being taken for a ride
Well, the weird thing is that most of the info on superconductors.org is actually pretty good... Eck's History of Superconductors page is actually pretty good, and he even acknowledges the 138 K ambient-pressure cuprate semiconductor as the current high-Tc record.
:-)Does he say anything about the facilities he has to do this materials synthesis and measurements???
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Re:What?
I'm nothing related to this field, but my google-fu is strong today.
This article (bottom of page) explains the 4-number notation to represent numbers of insulating, spacing, separating, and conducting layers. It even has a picture.
No, I have no idea what that means. I can guess at what the fourth number means, though... -
Re:Bad summary
A confirmation of one of his earlier materials - a YBCO variant by what appears as legit university scientists.
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Re:Bullshit
Well, he does seem to have discovered Weather Underground's logo.
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Old record may be 185K
According to this page http://superconductors.org/185k_pat.htm the previous record was actually 185K and it points out the the coldest recorded temperature on the planet is 183.95K. What is actually more exciting (to me at least) is the new non-cuprate superconductors. They are fluorine doped RFeOAs (R = rare earth) with Tc ~ 40-50K. This will hopefully give insight into the mechanisms of non-BCS superconductivity.
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Superconductivity
Superconductivity was not discovered by IBM, and it also occurred much earlier than 1987. The BCS theory of superconductivity came out in 1957, and the phenomenon itself was first seen in mercury by Onnes in 1911. And while high-Tc superconducters were first seen at IBM, this occurred in 1986.
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Re:Even colder...
The problem with liquid helium (This made MRI scanners horribly impractical for a LOT of years) is that it has 1/20 the heat capacity of nitrogen, and you have to suck a thousand times the power to get down to helium temperatures compared to nitrogen. There would also be no quantum anomalies with silicon. It can only be compelled to a superconductive state under Extreme pressure.
BTW, which is it... are we mounting it in a vaccuum or under liquid helium :) -
Nah, LH makes for some serious problems.
I wrote a paper on Type I superconductivity (appears in metals when cooled to a few K of zero; ceramics are a totally different beastie) in school and got diverted into reading up on ultracryogenics for a few weeks - apparently at temps that low, you get all sorts of problems like extreme brittleness and differing rates of thermal expansion, the latter being a fairly major issue in designing an ultracryogenic system. There's a good chance the CPU die, wires, and case would all tear away from each other and destroy the thing. Not to mention that lead superconducts at 7.196K; i wonder what resistanceless solder would do to a mobo...
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Why not use the elevator cable
Exciting research into superconductivity using carbon nanotubes coupled with the space elevator using carbon nanotube based cable would lead one to the conclusion that they should use a set of parallel cables/conductors, abondon the whole laser lights the elevator to get it power concept and just pas the power through the elevator cables, with the excess delivered to the ground.
Don't these scientists talk to each other or leverage each others work? This is why we are not getting to space at an acceptable pace while solving rather than causing problems on the Earth as a result ... IMO. -
Re:Antigravity scam?There is at least one peer-reviewed journal article about this experiment, and probably the guy is at least under the impression that the result is correct.
That doesn't make it less of a scam though, it just means that there are some very trashy journals who have very low standards for referee selection. And, calling the author a "scientist" is probably a bit much of a stretch.
I even came across a theoretical paper demonstrating that the effect can exist, given the right conditions. The abstract stated boldly that the effect is a natural consequence of relativity plus some quantum effects, without stating that the model of gravity they were using was completely artificial, I think Euclidean space with massive gravitons and lots of other weirdness. (For the non-physicists, having massive gravitons means that gravity would decay exponentially fast, rather than the usual inverse-square law). Indeed, the paper served as a good demonstration that it is very unlikely that such an effect could happen in reality.
By the way, i don't think NASA gave him 1 million, I think rather they spent that trying to reproduce the experiment themselves. I vaguely remember a story that he was the only one who knew enough details to repeat the experiment, so NASA ended up getting him involved (which basically amounts to giving him the million, I guess).
The only other case that springs to mind of an experiment where only one person can "reproduce" it, is (ahem) Jan-Hendrik Schon.
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Re:Hundred Years?
...maybe we could just lock in the coordinates on our freight transporter and teleport it directly into the sun. You're thinking 1000 years, not 100. Think of what we have accomplished in the past 100 years and stop being ridiculously optimistic.
Well first of all we did learn how to split the atom and how to fuse several of them together. We also learned how to make materials that can conduct electricity without resistance at fairly high temperatures. We can travel underwater for months at a time without coming to the surface. We managed to get to outer space and visit the moon. Some of our creations have even left the solar system.
Not only that, we also have devices as small as a match-head that can do billions of calculations every second. These devices can be put together into a machine that can hold their own against the best chess players in the world. People can not only fly, but many do so for less than a week's wages and they travel from one part of the world to another in just a few hours, going faster than sound can travel in some instances. There are now devices which can create light so intense and organized that it can cut through just about any substance. Many diseases which have killed billions of people in their childhood have been eradicated. We have managed to learn how to replace broken-down organs in order to prolong life and even how to make copies of people and animals.
In short, we have come a long way in the past 100 years. If you were to bring someone from 1902 to the present they would most likely be utterly astounded by what we have accomplished in so short of a time. Many theorists already have some ideas of how we might be able to eventually "teleport" physical objects, they have done it for information and are seeking to expand it further. Where will we be in 100 years? 1000 years? I'm not sure, but judging from the past 100 years it would not surprise me to find out that a lot of the discoveries that you have just scoffed at are around in a century, or even less. -
Re:Hoverboards
As I understood, those hoverboards were powered by superconductors, but again there would be a temperature issue there.
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Re:18K relatively warm?Right. Okay. Go read the article! (This is the correct response to 90% of the posts in this thread)
18K is relatively warm compared to plain-old superconducting metals. When superconductivity was discovered in 1911 occurring in Mercury, later in other metals as well, it was at only a few degrees Kelvin. 18K is relatively warm compared to that.
Half a century later, in 1986, we found ceramic compounds that would superconduct at much much higher temperatures. Those compounds superconduct by a different process, so they're dubbed Type 2 superconductors. (as opposed to Type 1 for metalic elements)
The article doesn't say -- or they probably don't even know for sure -- what type of superconductivity was observed in Plutonium. Or if they were using pure elemental Plutonium or some compound that contained it.
And finally, lots of other comments here make fun of how "useful" Plutonium is. Duh. It's not:
The discovery has no immediate practical value but is important because it adds a new dimension to the study of superconductivity, Stewart said.
"You can't make practical materials out of something as radioactive and chemically poisonous as plutonium," he said, "but John Sarrao and this collaborative team have made a big leap in understanding superconductivity from a fundamental point of view."
Basically, it means that superconductivity is still not completely understood -- this uncovers yet another twist, and will help to develop the theories further.
Secrets of the universe stuff, you know.
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Re:18K relatively warm?Right. Okay. Go read the article! (This is the correct response to 90% of the posts in this thread)
18K is relatively warm compared to plain-old superconducting metals. When superconductivity was discovered in 1911 occurring in Mercury, later in other metals as well, it was at only a few degrees Kelvin. 18K is relatively warm compared to that.
Half a century later, in 1986, we found ceramic compounds that would superconduct at much much higher temperatures. Those compounds superconduct by a different process, so they're dubbed Type 2 superconductors. (as opposed to Type 1 for metalic elements)
The article doesn't say -- or they probably don't even know for sure -- what type of superconductivity was observed in Plutonium. Or if they were using pure elemental Plutonium or some compound that contained it.
And finally, lots of other comments here make fun of how "useful" Plutonium is. Duh. It's not:
The discovery has no immediate practical value but is important because it adds a new dimension to the study of superconductivity, Stewart said.
"You can't make practical materials out of something as radioactive and chemically poisonous as plutonium," he said, "but John Sarrao and this collaborative team have made a big leap in understanding superconductivity from a fundamental point of view."
Basically, it means that superconductivity is still not completely understood -- this uncovers yet another twist, and will help to develop the theories further.
Secrets of the universe stuff, you know.
- Peter