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Overclockers Top 6GHz With A 3.6GHz-Rated P4
sH4RD writes "The 6GHz barrier has been broken by two guys, a little LN2 (liquid nitrogen for those not as chemistry inclined), and an Intel Pentium 4 (Prescott) 3.60GHz. Check out some icing and some proof of speed. Better yet take a look at how fast it calculates pi. Also be sure to check out the original announcement."
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I sure hope they were using Gentoo, because if not they couldn't take advantage of those incredible speeds with some hot -O3 -funroll-loops action :P
:P
In all seriousness, this is pretty amazing, but I can't really see the usefulness. For sheer geek pride, sure, why not? But as far as I can tell the expense involved outweighs any gain in performance; for probably half of what these poor folks spent getting a P4 to run stably at 6 ghz (and it doesn't even sound super-stable from what I've read) they could've probably bought a couple more CPUs and had a proper SMP system instead. Regardless, I admire their tenacity and mourn for the warranty on their poor CPU
So P4's double clock their ALUs - that means that ALU is shifting at > 12GHz.
Welcome to measuring your operations in picoseconds.
Just to figure out the answer to a problem every 8th grader knows.
Open Source Sushi
With winter coming and the price of oil approaching $50, you can now safely turn off your heater and just point the vent of your 6Ghz P4 into the middle of the room...or maybe run a venting system off of it connected to the heat ducts in your house...
ok, yes, doom 3 has some pretty high sys requirements to run smoothly, but isn't this going a wee bit overboard?
Marge, get me your address book, 4 beers, and my conversation hat.
Look how fast I can calculate pi:
3.1415927
wow, that was fast.
640YB ought to be enough for anybody.
In the category "Way too much free time on their hands"
So it tops 6 GHz, but they only calculate pi at 5.4 GHz? Sounds like the only thing it can run at 6 GHz without crashing is CPU-Z...
The pi screenshot's only showing 5.4GHz. Is this a mistake?
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I think we need to stop making our computers go so fast. We're only making things easier for Skynet.
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Because if 6Ghz has been broken then so has the 4Ghz and 5Ghz barriers.
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their scroll bar works faster than yours.
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Yeah, so it's fast. How much can it handle?
Processor speed envy is like penis envy. The bigger it looks, the better it seems, but just as size can be less important than how you use it, speed can be less important if bandwidth is wimpy.
Holy Crap, tht is fast. When can i get speeds like that without the LN2?!?!
Shiny. Let's be bad guys.
Just think of the potential.
I hope it's a substantial improvement over my machine... Seems like I've been waiting forever for it to finish...
Your probably just jealous you didn't try the idea yourself.
Getting a single proc that high is cool, but I've love to see 2 opturons or xeons overclocked insanely high.
I'm sure chemists love to make catchy abbreviations for common substances. I've never heard a chemist call liquid nitrogen anything but liquid nitrogen.
but don't worry I got a copy.
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Memory-bound applications will not show significant improvement. At 6 GHz, most applications become memory bound since memory becomes extremely slow in responding to the 6 GHz processor.
Has anyone liquid cooled the G5 and the Opteron driven them to 6 GHz? I bet that the G5 could crush the Pentium in performance since the G5 has a powerful floating point unit.
mmmMMMMmmmm Pi
*drooling* aggghhhhhh
You know what? people who say "they have way too much time on their hands" or "how do they have the time to do that" .. REALLY piss me off
.. Browsing slashdot .. how come you have time to do that? Like what exactly do you do with YOUR time? I dont see you being the CEO of a major corp or contributing anything to society.
Cause just about always, people who say that never did a damn progressive thing ever in their life. It's just a lame excuse underacheivers make trying to pull down those who are out there making stuff happen.
Look at yourself first
No, I didn't RTFA. But I had to post before doing so - because I just think it would be incredibly humorous to have a processor that fast that's stuck with 128mb of RAM.
"Yah! My penis is three feet long but I can't even pop wood!"
Aaaaaargh!
Must not cut and paste from makefiles.
Now just imagine it - an 8 CPU powered box with each CPU running at 3.2 (rated) overclocked to 6.4 GHz = 51.2 GHz with a exabyte of Hard drive space. The ultimate BeOS machine - just wondering if anyone would consider building one :).
In other news, Microsoft increases Longhorn's recommended requirements to 7GHz.
In the category "Way too much free time on their hands"
Oh yes, they didn't waste their time watching Jerry Springer or whatever like YOU do. Imagine that.
Oh get a grip, people... Everyone knows that this was pointless and there was no real benefit to doing this.
This was done just for the fun of it more than anything else.
What's this LN2 stuff... everyone knows REAL overclockers use liquid helium surrounded by a vaccum flask with another LN2 flask outside of it. (P.S. That's the setup they use to cool NMR machines for chemistry that have superconducting magnets in them)
Oh, the wasted computing power computing decimal when hexadecimal is so much easier. You don't need more Hertz, you need to switch to hexadecimal!
-I am an elective eunuch.
They must know the value of pi first, then they can round the number.
Being a florida resident I think you should let the hurricane cool that chip. It gets even cooler after the power goes out.
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the warranty? I'm sure the heat and added radiation just nuked their ability to have kids. Guess we can't pass on great OC'ing skills through the gene pool 8-)
Waitaminute, waitaminute, waitaminute! They timed how long it took to calculate PI? That implies that it *FINISHED* calculating pi!
Now, THAT's "News for Nerds. Stuff That Matters"
Ce n'est pas un vrai mouvement de robot!
Since Alienware charges $2000 for .4 Ghz of overclocking (with its 4 Ghz OCed processor) with really rich preppies buying them, then this would be worth... $12,000 more than normal?
I think I can predict Alienware's next product.
a beowul--ah, nevermind.
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It would take a HUGE fan to keep it from overheating and causing a board shutdown or a processor meltdown.
I've got a 3.02 ghz, mildly overclocked, and the fan shutting down and the board automatically shutting down due to high heat are nearly simultaneous.
ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
It *might* be Pi they are calculating in that screenshot, but heck, what does "Laskenta Alkaa" means?
/.!
God I hate screenshots in a language I can't understand.
Typical finnish, first they take over the only FPS ever worth playing (aq2), now they're taking over
I remeber when tomshardware.com did the 5 ghz project and broke 5. I thought it was cool. They used liquid nitrogen.
I think the LN2 is cold enough to crack the pleats in my good wool skirt
Harpo Tunnel Syndrome--my wrist feels funny.
that helps to perpetuate the "MHz myth". If MHz don't matter, why are these guys doing these crazy things to increase the MHz? I know it is just for the "fun of it", "to see if it can be done". However,(tongue-in-cheek) this stuff just influences people to rely on MHz numbers more and more. It teaches young-ins that more MHz is better whatever the cost. What we need is a great story about how Bill Buxley and his pal Jan Hammy had strung 32 CPU's together with chicken wire in thier garage. This would be the parallelism hack equivalent to overclocking. Pretty soon though we would have to contend with the "parallelism myth" and the industry would in turn be trying to deemphasis parallelism for Mhz. It would be a cycle in that manner until finally one day the industry hits it big with the "quantumn computing myth". Stay tuned if your still alive by then. LOL!
>>>>>> Chewie, take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive.
I could do my SETI work units in realtime!
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
BogoMIPS, i want to know how many.
I can remember every single digit, just perhaps not in the right order.
So Deus Ex IW will run at a smooth 60 FPS now?
I can't wait to take mine to the next lan party.
It's just a lame excuse underacheivers make trying to pull down those who are out there making stuff happen.
Just because you don't know any single father/monthers who work two jobs and actually DON'T have time to conduct cooling experiments with no immediate application doesn't mean they don't exist.
Enough of the social commentary. Enjoy his comment as it was intended. As explaination I'll spell it out for you...H...U...M...O...R. Humor.
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One step closer the maximum clock-speed of a single-cpu core, which probably should be pretty soon, if I'm correct? 6GHz means each clock cycle has 1/6*10^9th of a second to stabilize and reach every part of the chip that is affected.. with the speed of light, at roughly 3*10^8 m/s this means with this clockspeed, each cycle have time to travel roughly 5mm on the chip. I'm not a chip-engineer, but isn't this almost near the limit?
Which one of you guys "hacked" this poor website's forums?
Not a Twitter sockpuppet... but I wish I was.
It's only a matter of time before someone modifies a PC's powersupply, drags it into orbit and hangs it outside the ISS for some 1337 overclocking joy. At a coupla hundred below zero in the shade, that ought to be enough coldnocity to OC it like a muthachucka.
thats nothing man remember when there was an article about a cluster computer with 96 processors in it? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/30/111 2254&tid=137&tid=126&tid=1&tid=218 / Orion's DS-96 deskside Cluster Workstation has 96 nodes with 300 gigaflops (Gflops) peak performance (150 Gflops sustained), up to 192 gigabytes of memory and up to 9.6 terabytes of storage. there was also something about fiting unobtrusively under a desk yet they called it a deskside. I dont see where they say what individual processors run at but im sure its not 6ghz now what if they did? you could compile gentoo for your system in no time flat. although they were not p4s
this is 6009.8 MHz.
Damn, you didn't even bother to check the whole SUMMARY before complaining, did you?
Quality not quantity!
Laskenta alkaa.
Valpa muisti.
Varattu muisti!
No. Go with 12518 or THX1138!
(liquid nitrogen for those not as chemistry inclined)
and thats chemically inclined, for those not as grammatically inclined.
Ummmmmm doesnt anyone seem to notince that 6000mhz != 6ghz ..... 6120mhz = 1ghz i am surprised news for nerds guys didnt pick that up.... sorta emberassing
But it isn't, with current technology, the speed of light you have to worry about, it is the speed of electricity through whatever medium you can use, which is must slower.
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So in the "icing" link, I see a mobo with 4 DIMM slots. One's got a DIMM with heatsinks. The other appears to have an LED segment display and a pair of molex connectors to what looks like a DIMM.
What is that?
my Amiga 500 can beat that easy, and format a floppy at the same time
Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?
"At a coupla hundred below zero in the shade, that ought to be enough coldnocity to OC it like a muthachucka."
While it's a cool thought, that wouldn't be the case. Liquid nitrogen is great for cooling processors because it can absorb a heck of a lot of heat, and absorb it as quickly as the processor produces it.
A vacuum, however, is not actually "cold", in that it doesn't contain any matter capable of retaining or absorbing heat. As such, a vacuum cannot absorb heat away from the processor.
In other words, hanging a motherboard in low earth orbit is probably worse, heat-wise, than just having it on the ground at room temperature.
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And it wasn't even in a language I understand. Goddamnit!
rofl! when i've seen solid state labs i've often wondered what the chips could do if they were cooled in that way. Any body know? (or does temperature become a less important factor?)
Why oh why do I continully here stories about liquid nitrogen when liquid propane would do a much better job? Liquid nitrogen has a very poor heat capacitance then almost anything else that looks cool and makes alot of frozen water vapor clouds. My thought BFD. give me a real 6.0 processor that doesn't need liquid cooling and then i'll be impressed.
Why on earth would they go to the expense of an LN2 based system when they could just open a few windows.
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This is a troll? The word "hoax" was the first thing that came to my mind too when I saw this. I'd mod this as "funny" or maybe "informative".
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...the same kinda thing done with an Opteron or an FX-53.
:)
Although they got the system to boot at 6GHz, it was only stable enough to bench at 5.6GHz. Given that the default clock was 3.6GHz, that's a 155% overclock. To do the same to an Opteron x50/FX-53 (2.4GHz) would mean you'd need to clock it to 3.75GHz - does anyone know if this is possible with lN2?
For one thing, the AMD64's don't run as hot as the Prescott's, and their architecture is much friendlier to insane clock speeds (i.e. much shorter pipeline, embedded memory controller directly proprtional to clock speed, MUCH larger L1 cache so there's less stalls waiting for access to memory) in the overclocking parlance... does anyone ever try overclcoking for performance, rather than pure GHz?
Personally I'd love to see a 5.6GHz P4 go up against a 3.8GHz AMD64 (maybe with some o' those gentoo bootstrap "benches")... it'd be a true geekfest
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Looks like one of these doodads to me:
c z-booster.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/o
"LN2 (liquid nitrogen for those not as chemistry inclined)"
Since when is LN2 a proper chemical designation and anything more than slang for designating N2 in its liquid state?
Anyway, wake me up when the next Intel or AMD offering runs at 20 KHz...
-HJ
Just switch your base to pi and the problem goes away all by itself.
While everybody bitches about global warminng, some geeks are enjoying their computers in refreshing rooms cooled with LN2.
The instruction cache is 12K micro-ops. Doesn't that equal 12 milli-ops?
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I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
We agreed at the meeting not to discuss this material in public!!!
We can't afford to have the Gentools realizing that compiler optimization don't do much for apps that aren't CPU-bound and that most of the apps they spend weeks recompiling aren't CPU-bound!!!
If you _must_ push this stuff out there, wait until _after_ Sarge has been released.
Thank you
...at least RTFPP before modding the child Insightful.
When the child post reiterates the caveat of the parent post it's not insightful, it's redundant!
I'm sorry, I really can't tell if you're dumber than a box of rocks or are trolling.
Ask your nearest Electrical Engineer how many GHz is equal to 6000MHz. (Hint: it's not 6000/1024.)
...for the first computer in existence that met Longhorn's minimum system requirements!
wouldn't Intel be the first group to break ``The 6GHz barrier''
This is off topic, but does anyone know the maximum number of characters you can post in a single comment?
I made a mirror page for the original link. http://mirror.metamenu.com/xtremesystems.org/showt hread.php
I, for one, welcome our new, liquid nitrogen-cooled, 6 Ghz overlords! (...and I'm not even an Intel fan...)
Radiation is not nearly as efficient as conductiion hence the need for so many fins on a heat sink. So I still think it would overheat extremely fast.
I think you'll find that the fins are to increase surface area for the purposes of convection. Convection of course dominates radiative transfers in a fluid like air.
As for radiative cooling in space, a quick ball park calculation is quite educational:
Objects emit radiation depending on their temperature, according to Stefan's law. They also absorb radiation from their surroundings according to the same equation, hence we can express the following formula for net power emitted as
P_net = {sigma}*A*e*(T^4 - T_0^4)
Here {sigma} is the stefan-boltzmann constant, 5.67e-8 W/(M^2*K^4), A the surface area of the object. T is the temperature of the object, and T_0 that of the background. e is the emissivity of the object, which we will assume to be 1 (perfect blackbody).
I saw a photo of the thermometer displaying -46 deg C(=227 K), and standard Pentium 4 3GHz apparently consume about 80 watts of power. We'll therefore assume that the madly overclocked P4 produces 200W of heat. The question is then, what area of radiator is required to maintain the chip's temperature, given that the temperature of deep space is about 3K (cosmic background radiation)?
A = P_net / ( {sigma} *(T^4 - T_0^4) )
= 200 / (5.67e-8 * (230^4 - 3^4) )
~= 1.3 m^2
An area of 1.3 m^2 corresponds to a sphere of radius 30cm. Conclusion: Put the chip in good thermal contact with a well-emitting sphere big enough to contain the chip and motherboard, and it'll probably be fine.
Yeah, http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BBPFormula.html. It's so much easier with digit extraction: no need for arbitrary precision, fixnums are quite enough!
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Very interesting. I didn't even realize AmigaOnes were shipping. Is that something you would need to do at a BIOS level? Do A-1's use OpenFirmware?
This is equivalent to a 10-second Civic. It's only impressive because of the limitations of the base equipment. There are much faster systems to be had for less hassle and greater reliability.
All right Mr. Trump, that's enough. Get back to your show.
I wrote a paper on Type I superconductivity (appears in metals when cooled to a few K of zero; ceramics are a totally different beastie) in school and got diverted into reading up on ultracryogenics for a few weeks - apparently at temps that low, you get all sorts of problems like extreme brittleness and differing rates of thermal expansion, the latter being a fairly major issue in designing an ultracryogenic system. There's a good chance the CPU die, wires, and case would all tear away from each other and destroy the thing. Not to mention that lead superconducts at 7.196K; i wonder what resistanceless solder would do to a mobo...
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
Imagine mounting the processor on some conductor(as a "heat sink") then mounting it in a vacuum. Now use liquid Helium to pull it down to 4.2 Kelvin. I wounder what kind of funky quantum anomalies we would get...
You forgot the binary at the end that forms a circle...
Regards.
Akhem, er, excuse me, if I could have everyone's attention... would you all please listen, If you could just... Pi is exactly 3!
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You forgot to step zero.
0. Bash Microsoft.
But Windows XP just doesn't bluescreen!
(Hey, I've just created a new one! "I for one welcome..." "Imagine a beowulf..." "...Profit!" and now... "But Windows XP..."!)
Pure speculation, but I'd guess local hotspots on the chips would become a problem. ie. getting the heart out of each part of the chip...
For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke
Personally I think it's dumb to use nitrogen, let alone something with an even lower boiling temperature. Anything below -183 runs the risk of condensing oxygen out of the air and that is a big problem. Anything below -183 is a PITA to deal with long term due to the risk of increasing levels of liquid oxygen.
Nice idea, but not a realistic option for most of us.
Once we have conquered the world with our 6GHz CPUs, the language of the trade will be Finnish and this site will be renamed kauttapiste (=slashdot in Finnish)
> I dont see you being the CEO of a major corp or contributing anything to society.
hahaha nice distinction
Gad, it's running on a windows box. Those numbers can't be trusted.
without the machine locking up. That's why they overclocked a P4 to 6GHz.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
that Dell will be selling these next year, complete with 128MB of RAM and S3 Virge graphics.
That was a real funny microsoft pic(sig).
too bad slashdot doesnt allow users to post pics in comments!
...the power of a beowulf cluster of these babies!
I wonder why people are more inclined to use something temporary like a liquid nitrogen bath, instead of keeping the LN2 cool with a stirling cryocooler. I mean, sure, a 6 gigahertz computer is neat and all, but what use is it if you can't take it to a LAN party?
I'm not too familiar with the terminology used in the cooling world, but 15 watts of cooling power at 77 kelvin (-196 deg C / -321 deg F) sounds like quite a bit of cooling power to me. I've often wondered why Stirling technology isn't used in air conditioners.
Reinvent the wheel only at either a lower cost, greater effectiveness, or your own personal enrichment and satisfaction.
We have allways been in the #1 when it comes to CPU overclocking. Pwnd!
And not one "Imagine A Beowulf Cluster Of These..." jokes was modded up?
What is wrong. If it ever applies, it's now.
Get your Unix fortune now!
da-da-dump.
go to hell. Seriosuly, gcc 3.3.x has been unstable as all hell when using -march=pentium4. Don't know if gcc 3.4.x has remedied that.
bit harder.
What I want to know is how many slower, fanless CPUs it takes to achieve the same performance, and which solution is more power-efficient. My money is on the slower ones.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
6000mhz = 6000milli Hertz = 6 Hertz!!!
Mr Amdahl has some experience with this.
They had chips firing off boards when small pockets of gas under the chip expanded when room temp was returned.
Twas a supercomputer with the boards dipped in LN IIRC.
I think the last test showed an unpatched system would become compromised in 20 minutes... I bet they cut that time in half!!!
Forget compile-time benchmarks, I want to see infection-times!!
or better yet...
Imagine the DDOS you could perform on M$ with a beowulf cluster of these systems!
Before boasting about your incredible chemistry knowledge, why don't you consult a textbook and discover the true 'chemistry' term for Liquid Nitrogen:
N<subscript>2</subscript>(li)
or N2(li)
How big is that CPU? At 6GHz, an electrical signal only gets 0.05m (3*10^8m/6*10^9) between two clocks. I wonder if that's even enough for the signal to get through the whole processor.
Hooray!
Uh, those very people are unlikely to be doing the stuff he's complaining about.
Those people have better things to do than read slashdot and say "they have way too much time on their hands". He's not talking about them.
Got it?
that's sad. oh well, good to see new tech, at least.
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You got it right when you said "MHz is a poor way to compare CPUs".
A given chip clocked at 3GHz will be twice as fast as the same chip clocked at 1.5GHz, assuming you sped up the RAM too (and you probably didn't).
But a 3.0GHz Opteron isn't necessarily twice as fast as a 1.5GHz Opteron. The reason for this is that Opteron is a marketing name. You can't be sure these two chips are the same chip. In fact, in their natural state, you can be pretty sure they are not. This is because a chip doesn't get cheaper to produce just because you are going to clock it slower. Yes, yield goes down at higher freqencies, but not enough to make up for the fact that slow CPUs sell for 1/5th the cost of fast ones.
Instead, you generally need to change the design (reduce the die area) to get the cost down. So your 1.5GHz Opteron isn't the same chip as a 3.0GHz Opteron and thus it isn't half as fast.
This actually cuts both ways, sometimes you can take advantage of the slower speed to actually do more per clock.
So anyway, unless you are very specific about dice, it's best just to fall back on what you said before. MHz is a very poor way to compare CPUs.
8. In Soviet Russia liquid nitrogen cools YOU.
This just occurred to me... Wouldn't the thermal contraction induced by such an extreme temperature change tear all the connections between the CPU itself and it's pins apart? That's the problem they have with Josephson Junction logic...
Hmm, you don't understand what digits in base 16 are, do you?
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Imagine a formula that generates an infinite series of fractions like this:
3, 0.1, 0.04, 0.001, 0.0005, 0.00009,
You need to add them all up to get the value of pi, but you don't need to do any extra work to calculate the nth binary digit.
The formula given in the grandparent performs the same task in base 16. You can extract the nth hexadecimal digit from pi with O(1). What you are confused about is the difference between digit extraction and base conversion.
the first 10000 digits of pi using the above program are:
3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993 75 105820974944592307\
81640628620899862803482534211 706798214808651328230 664709384460955058\
22317253594081284811174502841 027019385211055596446 229489549303819644\
28810975665933446128475648233 786783165271201909145 648566923460348610\
45432664821339360726024914127 372458700660631558817 488152092096282925\
40917153643678925903600113305 305488204665213841469 519415116094330572\
70365759591953092186117381932 611793105118548074462 379962749567351885\
75272489122793818301194912983 367336244065664308602 139494639522473719\
07021798609437027705392171762 931767523846748184676 694051320005681271\
45263560827785771342757789609 173637178721468440901 224953430146549585\
37105079227968925892354201995 611212902196086403441 815981362977477130\
99605187072113499999983729780 499510597317328160963 185950244594553469\
08302642522308253344685035261 931188171010003137838 752886587533208381\
42061717766914730359825349042 875546873115956286388 235378759375195778\
18577805321712268066130019278 766111959092164201989 380952572010654858\
63278865936153381827968230301 952035301852968995773 622599413891249721\
77528347913151557485724245415 069595082953311686172 785588907509838175\
46374649393192550604009277016 711390098488240128583 616035637076601047\
10181942955596198946767837449 448255379774726847104 047534646208046684\
25906949129331367702898915210 475216205696602405803 815019351125338243\
00355876402474964732639141992 726042699227967823547 816360093417216412\
19924586315030286182974555706 749838505494588586926 995690927210797509\
30295532116534498720275596023 648066549911988183479 775356636980742654\
25278625518184175746728909777 727938000816470600161 452491921732172147\
72350141441973568548161361157 352552133475741849468 438523323907394143\
33454776241686251898356948556 209921922218427255025 425688767179049460\
16534668049886272327917860857 843838279679766814541 009538837863609506\
80064225125205117392984896084 128488626945604241965 285022210661186306\
74427862203919494504712371378 696095636437191728746 776465757396241389\
08658326459958133904780275900 994657640789512694683 983525957098258226\
20522489407726719478268482601 476990902640136394437 455305068203496252\
45174939965143142980919065925 093722169646151570985 838741059788595977\
29754989301617539284681382686 838689427741559918559 252459539594310499\
72524680845987273644695848653 836736222626099124608 051243884390451244\
13654976278079771569143599770 012961608944169486855 584840635342207222\
58284886481584560285060168427 394522674676788952521 385225499546667278\
23986456596116354886230577456 498035593634568174324 112515076069479451\
09659609402522887971089314566 913686722874894056010 150330861792868092\
08747609178249385890097149096 759852613655497818931 297848216829989487\
22658804857564014270477555132 379641451523746234364 542858444795265867\
82105114135473573952311342716 610213596953623144295 248493718711014576\
54035902799344037420073105785 390621983874478084784 896833214457138687\
51943506430218453191048481005 370614680674919278191 197939952061419663\
4287544406437451237181921799
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
The BBP formula does not have a 1:1 relationship between values of x and digits of pi. Therefore it is impossible to use it to calculate arbitrary digits of pi without calculating every preceding digit.
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
what about taking a pic of a modified screenshot in fullscreen :P
Just give us some pictures and "Howto" drawings so we can build one ourselves....muhahahaha (It's nice to live close to a reproductive services company that caters to farmers....they sell LN2 by the bucket...lol)...
Who cares about the ozone layer?...thanks to CFC's I can write my name......IN CHEESE!!!