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In fact 2.1b2 has been there for over 4 days

From the freshly started kde-debian FAQ:

6.-Q: How do I install it...I can't find a package called "kde"?
A: 27 Jan 2001
Go to http://kde.tdyc.com/ find a mirror close to you...throw that apt line in...apt-get install task-kde
if you want 2.1 beta packages you need to add a "beta" to the end of the apt line.

This is ... really strange.

Meteor scatter isn't that strange, since the space dust ionizes the atmosphere. Moonbounce on the other hand is ... really strange.

In moonbounce you use the moon as a passive reflector. Google has more info.

hawk wrote:

WHereas for the last few releases, runining debian unstable will give your random brekaings, as well as sudden, erratic, changes inpolicy that change the way your machine works.

Hence the 'unstable' tag. The unstable branch is often quite stable, but if they have to do major changes in packages or policy, that's the only place they have to put it, and such changes can be destabilizing.

Now how in the world do I back it down from unstable to testing?

That is, IMHO, the biggest thing really missing from Debian, an easy way to downgrade. Then again, I haven't seen any easier downgrades in other distributions either. You seem to be familiar with FreeBSD, how easy is downgrading there? (I don't mean downgrading just one package, I mean going back a distribution version, or downgrading a suite of interconnected packages).

OH, that's why I went to unstable--I wanted the newere kde for them

There are two safer ways for that. KDE has an alternate distribution point for Debian packages of new KDE binaries for running on potato at http://kde.tdyc.com/. Secondly, you could have downloaded the KDE packages from woody and installed them on potato with dpkg.

Since downgrading is hard, I'd recommend against people going to an unstable distribution just because they want newer versions of a few packages.

yes, I *am* deliberately ducking the [KDE] license issues here

This is probably a troll, but i'll respond anyway. AFAIK, there aren't any remaining KDE licensing issues with the newer versions of KDE. Qt has been released under the GPL, and so there is no longer the QPL/GPL license conflicts. That is why it is now being distributed in Debian.

Yes, I read RMS's letter after the release. It was not saying that new KDE releases had a licensing problem. It was reminding that past KDE releases did, and showing the best way for KDE developers to protect themselves from hypothetical lawsuits based on using non-KDE GPL code in past KDE releases from when there was a licensing problem. It was also based on the assumption that KDE reused a lot of GPL code from non-KDE projects, which KDE's response made clear was not the case. Regardless, RMS's comments did not describe a licensing problem with distributing new KDE binaries based on a GPLed Qt. I certainly don't see any licensing problem there, and the Debian distributors apparently agree.

I am very happy, and one of these days will actually get around to playing with KDE on a system to see what I like and dislike about it compared to other options (have to do that with XFCE and UDE also while I'm at it).

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Have a look at kde.tdyc.com. you will find kde 2.0.1 for potato. it's from the same person who also handles the kde packages in woody. and of course, the archive is apt-able. but see the website for further instructions. so long

Looks like TDYC allready has it packed up and ready for apt. The apt source is:
deb ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde/debian unstable kde2

Do an apt-get update, then apt-get install task-kde and you're ready to go.

Enjoy. I've been running the kooldown release awile now, so far I like it. Startup is a bit slower than GNOME though. Wonder if that's changed in the latest version...

There are several possibilities that come to mind as faintly plausible alternatives:

• Corel Linux uses some pieces of KDE, and "Of course that is against all the principles Debian holds dear."

  Mind you, the KDE/Debian Packaging Project disproves that that is the case...

• Corel Linux doesn't include all the development tools.

  ... And prevents you from adding them precisely how?

  I installed Corel Linux on a laptop and added in all sorts of development tools from "Debian most-modern."

• Corel has released "evil, proprietary" software like WordPerfect, CorelDraw, and Paradox that run on top of Corel Linux, as well as atop Debian.

  ... And if you can see the "violation" in this, you should probably see this as being a "violation" of the FSF rather than of Debian...

But none of these seem particularly convincing.

Presumably the person that contributed the story can elaborate on this by augmenting such a list with a real and true violation of Debian that Corel is responsible for?

(replying to one's one reply to one's own comment... that's gotta be one in some big number.)

Botched the link up.

Here.

tdyc

All kidding aside, KDE2 will, I think, be included. Looking for references to back that up, I found this. Using the sources.list line given, I'm installing some KDE2 packages right now. Now, this isn't coming from a debian.org mirror so this doesn't look official or anything, but I thought there wasn't an easy, clean way of installing anything KDE-ish on a Debian system so I'm quite happy to have stumbled onto it.
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There is a project which packages KDE for a number of different distros, including Debian. You can add it as a source under /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to add KDE or KDE-based packages to your system, see here for more info.

There is a project which packages KDE for a number of different distros, including Debian. You can add it as a source under /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to add KDE or KDE-based packages to your system, see here for more info.

I partly agree with you... one thing I really think that Debian should have is an "upgrade" session for the current dist. No just security updates, but also package updates (which they do say exist, but are unsupported. I'm yet to find them, though.).

A new version of application foo comes up with a nice new feature? Make a new slink package, aside from the obvious potato one that will come up overnight. I don't know if things are done this way with other distros, 'cause I have only used Slackware (3.1) and Slink (now Potato). But the KLPP does exactly that way: packages for both Slink and Potato of KDE applications (aside from RPM's for RedHat).

I initially switched to part-Potato because I wanted Gimp 1.1 (unstable). But, let's see... why not a XMMS package for Slink? I now upgraded to full-Potato (and apt-get upgrade every week at home, every day at work - I'm near a mirror there), and it's nice to get all the new versions of apps. If they could spare some time to make new packages for Slink for some apps, the lifetime of the "stable" dists could really grow.

There was a comment regarding the fact that no one has any real database regarding technology in a non-technical, "hey, we're not evil hax0r bois!" kind of light. Mebbe someone needs to go lookit www.tdyc.com. :)

if we could beat up 'normal' (aka non-geek) people into checking out stuff they can understand (i.e. stuff that can and does aid them in their everyday life) maybe people wouldn't give me funny looks when i ask awkward questions like "have you seen my scrimpers?" or demand "ack! don't touch my dongle!" :P

Catering to the MTV generation isn't something I care about. Teeniebopping BSBers don't particularly concern me.. but when parents start watching "specials" like True Life: I'm a hacker.. how are they going to react in terms of allowing their kids access to technology? And yeah.. some parents really ARE ignorant enough to believe something MTV says. :)

harblies.

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deb http://kde.tdyc.com potato kde kde2 contrib rkrusty

They had 1.1.2 days ago. There are also binary KDE 2.0 snapshots available there.

Don't worry about it, Ivan E. Moore II has a great selection of apt-get'able KDE packages:

http://kde.tdyc.com/Debian/

Don't worry about it, Ivan E. Moore II has a great selection of apt-get'able KDE packages:

http://kde.tdyc.com/Debian/